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CFK anticipates to huge rally that Kirchnerism will continue after December
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez (CFK) demanded that the “current twelve year transformation process of Argentina” and Peronism continue in office and underlined that this objective does not depend on one person, but on the people's voting and defending all that was conquered in the last twelve years. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell. The party of the Kirchners has a well-deserved chance to get another kick at the can. Opinion polls are revealing amazing levels of public opinion support for a government at the end of its second mandate. The “lame duck” syndrome liberally predicted by the opposition, as well as the attempts to endorse the suspicious death of a prosecutor to the “Ks” never came to reality, and the Clarin media group is increasingly impatient by the refusal of the two candidates of the right to unite.
May 26th, 2015 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines may very well enjoy a well-deserved thirteenth summer.
@1 Do you have a link for those opinion polls? I would love to see them.
May 26th, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are all your attacks against the Clarin group. You know that for years Nestor and Clarin were cosy as anything and he enjoyed the hospitality of Clarin executives. It is only CFK who fell out with them.
“defending all that was conquered” the words of the peace loving Argentine people
May 26th, 2015 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Did you read the opinion polls that predicted the outcome GE in the UK? They were completely wrong.
May 26th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchnerism/Peronism only strengthens Argentina's neighbours both socially and economically.
May 26th, 2015 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0So here's hoping she is right.
@Enrique Massot
May 26th, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0“amazing levels of public opinion support for a government at the end of its second mandate.”
You don't live in Argentina, do you?
The K support is dwindling, but when you have a regime that uses incredible amounts of resources in order to manipulate people who are deprived of education (akin to 18th century Europe) , it is easy to reach the 30% approval rating the Kirchners are at today. (At the same level as George W Bush after his disastrous 8 years in the WH, btw). Beware that most people at this rally were bussed and paid for them to be there.
Some highlights from “la década ganada”:
-Poverty rate is at the same level as in the 90s although the prices of Argentine commodities have been at all time high throughout the K tenure.
- Corruption is mind boggling, you can hardly do anything without huge payoffs to some K affiliate.
- Crime is at levels never seen before in Argentina.
- Absolute no currency reserves at BCRA. (Oficial stats are completely bogus)
- 30%+ inflation.
- Public debt at same level as the 2001 default (45%).
- The country is in default.
Yep, you better blame Clarín - “the root of all evil” - for all this. Flogging that dead horse apparently never gets old.
@1. Live there, do you Ricky? Of course not. Well out of the way in Canada. You think kicking a can down the road is a good way to run a country? Of course you do. Interesting use of language by Kirchner. “but a “collective project”.” So it's just a 'project'. Let's see if this works. “http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/190050/kicillof-i-am-part-of-a-collective-project” proving that it's just the current party mantra.
May 26th, 2015 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0And that word 'collective'. Communism, fascism, nazism, peronism. Different faces of the same thing. Reactionary authoritarian nationalism. Don't think, just obey. Here are your sweeteners. Having taken control of everything, here's a little bit back. Remember our glorious history. We were stabbed in the back by the Jews. Be grateful for what we're doing for you, it's all the fault of the British, it wasn't us but everything the Junta did is fine by us. Why couldn't they have covered things up better? In the next year we will be able to see just how stupid and criminal argies are. Although it is hard to cover up an invasion, an occupation and a war. Grow up, Ricky. War criminals. Invading a peaceful country militarily is a war crime. Occupying it is another war crime. Mistreating the inhabitants is another war crime. Starting a war? Do you get the idea? Have you paid reparations? How about a thousand billion? That's in pounds sterling. After WW2 Germany had to pay US$23 billion, more from Italy and Japan. Then there's inflation.
There's a brain-dead on here that likes argie isolation. Do you really think you can just walk away from your past? Politicians, apparently, can. Idiots, apparently, can. People don't. 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders DIED through your country's actions. 775 UK troops were wounded. This is Simon Weston http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/190050/kicillof-i-am-part-of-a-collective-project” Welsh Guards. RFA Sir Galahad. 9 June 1982. This is what YOU did. Think we're going to forget?
# 6 You are absolutely right. And the 25 of May celebration yesterday was all about her. Me, me, me, me...ad infinitum.
May 26th, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchnerism: running your country's economy into the ground while ranting about the “Malvinas” Islands to distract the sheeple.
May 26th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It amazes me that all the Argies that post on this site are actually ex pats! Is it because the internet doesnt work in the dark country? We have Enrique from Canada, Voice and Think from Scotland, Marcos and José from London? Pauly from England somewhere, working as a waiter no doubt! Whats the matter with Argyland, which they all defend? Another few years of Peronism will relegate RGland to the status of North Korea or Rwanda. Footbalk and the Malvinas numbs their brains. What a pathetic bunch of losers?
May 26th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has to be said again: The party of the Kirchners has a well-deserved chance at winning the next government. But the electors will decide, because Argentina functions now under an--imperfect--democratic system.
May 26th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK deserves my utmost recognition because during all the demonstrations against her government not a single tear gas can was launched, when as recently as 2001 the police were still firing on crowds of civilians--and killing them.
Many posts above are deserving of consideration; others are the product of individuals who not only hate CFK but hate and despise Argentina as a whole. To those, there is no way to respond.
It is really sad to read the comments of peronism/fascism such as Enrique Massot who desire and promote the continuity of the Regime while they live (and enjoy) in a free and democratic First World country.
May 26th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is part of the typical Third World oligarchy who enjoy living among privileges while the “regular” argentine citizens daily suffer from the chaos and poverty of the working class.
Plenty of my mid-class friends are making huge efforts to have decent lives and pay their basic needs such as the education of their kids. All these efforts to see how the most important avenues of Buenos Aires (9 de Julio, Belgrano, etc) were impassable due to the incredible amount of busses hired and paid by the Government to transport the people needed to be part of a fascist political meeting. Then it is quite easy to say that CFK has a high popularity
One the fascism will end and Argentina will start its path to progress.
Frankly I would love to see another K like gov't. I want them to live like animals just like the Venezuelans and I also want people to see how Statism eventually destroys the country and the people along with it.
May 26th, 2015 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would be very happy to see a K win.
Very happy indeed.
@13
May 26th, 2015 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are some regular and decent argentine people who support the idea of having a new peronist government that will have to suffer and face the consecuencies of the economic chaos and miss-management CFK caused.
They believe in Leon Trotski principle: “the worse the bestter” as a way of finding the top of the argentine decadence and a new start. But I don't believe on this kind of reasoning becuase there is no limit to be bad. Just check Iran, Irak or Syria.
@11 Enrique, we dont hate Argentina, or the vast majority of the Argentine people. We do hate dictators, liars, cheats, corruption, bullies, all things that Argentina currently stands for. You are what we call a champagne socialist. You live safely in a wonderful Commonwealth country quite remote from the poverty and crime ridden Villas, and you support a totally corrupt regime that buses in the poor to cheer for it bribed with a choripan and a few Pesos. You must be totally brainwashed, blind and totally barmy. If you care about your country so much get back there and strive for what you will find in Canada, UK, Australia, and NZ. Decency, rule of law, kindness, generosity. You make me feel sick.
May 26th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
May 26th, 2015 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't waste your time discussing with Massot. He is the typical argentine fascist who rejects and avoids any rational discussion. Fascist are this way.
In addition, argentine fascist have oligarchy mentality. They live in the richness of privileges and corruption while the people (those who they claim to defend and represent) live in poverty and ignorance.
Most provably he needs to show off and to bluff among his accomplices for getting some benefits. That's why he writes with his name.
I will have some respect for Enrique when he moves back to the country he professes to love.
May 26th, 2015 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know the country well and it is not at all the way he wishes to portray it. Anyone spending any length of time there in the last five years knows how much it has deteriorated under the reign of CFK.
Friends that used to support the Kirchners no longer do so. They have realised the truth. The only people that seem to support them are paid to or don't live there.
Dear rotting roadkill:
May 26th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wish you K-swine/perronist dog leadership in perpetuity.
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
@17
May 26th, 2015 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I lost my respect for peronist7fascist people many years ago when Carlos Menem was president and I saw how corrupted they are.
Definitely PERONISM is the CANCER of ARGENTINA
@Enrique Massot
May 26th, 2015 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It has to be said again: The party of the Kirchners has a well-deserved chance at winning the next government.”
Starving children in Chaco and Formosa disagree with you.
THE ARGENTINA OF POST KIRCHNERISM.
May 26th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really spent a great weekend, on sunday morning i went to see the transfer of General San Martin's saber, and yesterday in the afternoon i went to plaza de mayo. In both occasions i could be at a too short distance from the President, and surrounded by thousands of people, like in all the rest of popular parties, celebrated in that place.
When i was a teenager in the 90's, i felt alone every time i wanted to celebrate our national days, because i didn't see many people interested in celebrating the may25th, or the independence day. In some way what was going on was understandable, due to in the context of the menemist Argentina, Menem's government submitted the nation to the caprices of the i.m. f., ¿what kind of may 25th or independence day were we going to celebrate?.
In 1995, when Menem was reelected, people believed his promess, when he said that he was going to finish with unemployment, as he had done with inflation, however, the reality was finally too sad, because it continued to get worse.
Although the pro neoliberals deny it, or minimize it, the Argentina of post menemism, on dicember 10th of 1999, was a country where some of the few opportunities to progress that we had, was to get a european passport, in order to go to work to Spain or to Italy.
The Argentina of post kirchnerism will be a country where there'll be so many pendent debts, like poverty, institutional violence, insecurity, etc, but it will be also a country where millions of citizens could get a job and improve their personal situations, beside it will be a much more autonomus nation, not like in the 90's, when we had to follow the i.m. f.'s conditions.
I know that after reading this, a few cretins will invalid what i say, because i'm not a furious anti k, but fortunately, not all people here are mediocre, and i'm sure i'll have interesting conversations, as i had in other opportunities, beyond the ideological differences i have with most people here.
@11. Didn't take long to find this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6532013.stm Just check. Two days of tear gas attacks. On teachers! One death. None so blind..........!
May 26th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12/14. Then listen to the people that know. First World countries that have experienced/seen invasions, occupations, invasion threats, civil wars, fascism, communism, major criminal activity.
@21. Still suffering from the tear gas? Have you got a brain? When do you propose using it?
@21
May 26th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you get Kircherism for a few more years , as you certainly deserve it. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of people. Heil Kirchner.
Snr Axel, you, and peple same are Arg big ploblem. Never travel, never experence democtracy, brainwash with burger. CFK head up band of crooks. Stupid stupid. I follow Enrique, canada decent contry.
May 26th, 2015 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every single one of the Kidiots who post on this board are living in other countries and have been for most of their lives.
May 26th, 2015 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Disgusting people
simply disgusting.
@AxelArg
May 26th, 2015 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Employing 4M ñoquis + 7M planeros like the Kirchners did, will feel good for a very short time. It's very much like pissing in your pants to keep warm. It feels good for a minute or two. Thereafter not so much.
Btw, Menem was never a liberal or neo-liberal, light years away from it. He was simply yet another Peronista crook, just like the current gov't. Argentina has no idea what liberalism look like.
#21 axel
May 26th, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wish I had been in Plaza de Mayo too.
You are to be commended for posting in this hostile environment in defiance of the attacks of a group of posters that have taken over this space to spew their hate for Argentina and for any progressive ideas.
Ganging on those who post here different thoughts, they have scared valuable people away.
You have probably noticed how some of these keyboard warriors, being short in arguments, attempt to invalidate mine on the basis I do not reside in Argentina. They can't do it with you, so they resort to do the only thing they know: hurl insults, belittling, sarcasm and lies.
Please don't stop posting. Readers need to hear different voices.
So, just how legal (by the law at the time) was this “Revolution,” presumably against Spain, in 25/5/ 1810?
May 26th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can an implanted population gain squatters rights over stolen territory?
Not to mention “Territorial Integrity”, of the river Plate region.
@Enrique Massot & AxelArg
May 26th, 2015 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Argentines are just as poor today as under Menem in the nineties and that's a fact.
@27 You have not lost your ability to play the victim. Bullying? Oh, come on. This board is very mild with a few nutters on both sides of the argument. But you don't have to read their posts, no harm done. You are safer here reading this board than walking the streets of Buenos Aires.
May 26th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where exactly do you get your information from to form your opinions? What is your source?
@27 Enrique Massot
May 26th, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peronists government were political allies of plenty of fascist and authoritarian governments all around the world and decorated General Francisco Franco, General Augusto Pinochet, General Stroessnerr, Gadaffy, Batista, Nicolae Caucescu, Coronel Chavez. Do you think these people held “progressive” ideas?
Person started its movement inspired in Mussolini and currently his movement evolved in a conservative populist regime with fascist attitudes and intolerance.
In Salta the peronist Governor was re-elected. He is a millonair that belong to the UIA and forces students to have oficial and MANDATORY religious education against the national law of free and secular education.
In Chaco trhe peronist governor was re-elected. He is another rich businessman in the poorest province with the highest infantil mortality in the country and similar to the mortality of some african countries.
In Entre Rios, once one of the richest provinces of Argentina that was the province of a leader such as Urquiza, the current governor wanted to ban “facebook” during the demonstrations against poverty.
CFK herself went to inform and negotiate Pope Francis I the new Civil Code and accepted his suggestion resulting in an extremenly conservative new code. More conservative than the original one with more than 100 years old.
You, like myself, are living in Canada for convenience. because it is a great country with plenty of freedom instead of living in the poverty and authoritarism of Argentina. Don't be cinic.
You have the very same attitude that all the fascist have. You post comments ignoring those who think diferently because you cannot be part of an open and rational discussion.
26. I remember reading awhile back that the Arg gov't employs more people than the USA gov't.
May 26th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It can't last much longer...
Reekie thinks that's good democracy..
idiocracy more like it...
@24. If you mean that you follow Enrique Massot, don't be so daft. He's a Kirchnerist plant. An enemy of proper people. Why is he in Canada?
May 26th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27. Isn't it terrible being internationally identified as scum? Do you have a cesspit you could drown in?
Here's a tip. Can you argue a case that depends on facts, honesty and truth? Argies always spend most of their time with their thumbs up their arses. Something to suck on when they need 'comfort'. Had you daily dose of shite yet? Do you understand that you need to be exterminated?
And what about Uruguay eh, what part did they play in this illegal uprising of the 25th May 1810.
May 26th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There goes your “Territorial Integrity”, of the river Plate region.
Surly the British have the prior claim from 1807, nest par.
←Doesn't buy it
May 26th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her words are to be interpreted for what they truly are... Nostalgia and a warning to Scioli.
“We are in charge even after we leave office”
Well.......Too bad that neither Scioli nor she will be in charge in December
My bet is that they are overestimating Scioli so soon will backfire them massively and only achieve that undecided votes will flock to PRO & UCR in August already. The problem they have is that nearly 60% of the country doesn’t want another K government. And about time they did. It’s not even in the Ks interest to portray Scioli as a puppet Medvedev like ransom of the government structures emplaced by the Ks.
Just as the Province of BA backfired the Ks in 2009 and 2013, literally inventing candidates that beat Nestor Kirchner and Insaurralde, they can do so again.
The weighted median of most of the polls to March is for Macri.
35. I don't see how the next Gov't can survive without and IMF bailout and since its out of status I don't see how they could even get one if they asked.
May 26th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dark days are ahead no matter who wins...
@36
May 26th, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats secondary. We are already living in dark days.
Money may come and go, and good times and opportunities lost. But far more important is to get rid of the Ks, or its doom and Venezuela.
@35 & @36
May 26th, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enrique Massot won't answer. He, as all the fascist, only accept those who think like him, those who have the very same bliefs and ideas. The rest of us, those who are sinners, ignorants and idiots and thnk differently don't deserve his words. We do not dfeserve his time and attention.
Peronist/Fascist are people that only discuss among themselves in a sort of “self-celebration” where they are the owners of the truth.
He is so cinic to write “I wish I would be in Plaza de Mayo” but I am force to be in Canada. Its my sacrifice to live in Canada.
Please don't put Menem in with the Kirchnerism thugs.
May 26th, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Granted, he was a crook, really a likable grand thief, and he stole his country blind, but he's also charming and tended to fix relations with other countries, not cause friction. I got to know him briefly in San Juan and a couple of times while he was he in exile in Santiago. Short and swarthy with a smile that could melt a glacier.
He had good taste in women, didn't plot revenge against his enemies and threw magnificent cocktail parties.
Compare that to now what the Argentines have in their Casa Rosada...
25 of May
May 26th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0was not this the name of their carrier,???
@40
May 26th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes becuase it is a national holliday and a very important date in argentine history.
@39 Menem, Nestor K and CFK are all the very same kind of people. They are peronist. This means they are corrupt and rule the power in an absolutist way.
He is now part of the CFK follower senators and vote in favor of all her laws.
“...being short in arguments, attempt to invalidate mine on the basis I do not reside in Argentina”
May 26th, 2015 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spin much ???
Its not that your arguments are completely pointless because you dont reside in Argentina...
There is many ex-pat Argentines who I respect their opinions and live aborad like pgerman.
Its that YOUR DEFENCE OF KIRCHNERISM FROM ABROAD wich makes it icompletely valueless and not even worth your own bodyweight in shit.... Well you are fool of shit anyway so nevermind.
Its very simple how can you defend a government which is not your own from somewhere else??? Why are you not living in the K's nerverland??? How do you even have the nerve to tell Argentines living here what fantastic reality we apparentely live in when you live in Canada?? And for worse you were a terrorist and a traitor in your past.
@ 42 CD2
May 26th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And for worse you were a terrorist and a traitor in your past.”
Really! I find it almost incomprehensible that Mashed Potato Head has ANY backbone to be a terrorist, he must have been part of a gang, or in reality a gaggle as in flock of geese: do tell!
Reekie, is a coward, probably a stupid commie student who got on someones list and his family had enough cash to get him to the safety of a capitalist free market country. All so he can spread lies and bile without having to worry about a pretty falcon swooping in and carrying him off.
May 27th, 2015 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too bad that...
38 pgerman and 44 yankeeboy
May 27th, 2015 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pgerman: You call me a fascist and yankeeboy calls me a commie.
Please have a discussion among the both of you and come to an agreement on what to call me. Otherwise you are going to throw me into an identity crisis!
Sorry Reekie, CFK latest interview admits wishing Macri to win in December.
May 27th, 2015 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ktQ_RMm9g
@45
May 27th, 2015 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peronism is fascism. If you defend and promote a consevative populist government with fascist attitudes you are a fascist. Iwould like to read your post about the following:
Peronists governments were allies of fascist and authoritarian governments and decorated General Francisco Franco, General Augusto Pinochet, General Stroessnerr, Gadaffy, Batista, Nicolae Caucescu, Coronel Chavez. Do you think these people were “progressive” ones?
In Salta the peronist Governor was re-elected. He is a rich that belong to the UIA and forces students to have oficial and MANDATORY religious education against the national law of free and secular education.
In Chaco the peronist governor was re-elected. He is another rich businessman in the poorest province with the highest infantil mortality in the country and similar to the mortality of some african countries.
In Entre Rios, once one of the richest provinces of Argentina, the current governor wanted to ban “facebook” during the demonstrations against poverty.
CFK herself went to inform and negotiate Pope Francis I the new Civil Code and accepted his suggestion resulting in an extremenly conservative new code. More conservative than the original one with more than 100 years old.
You, like myself, are living in Canada for convenience. Because of its freedom instead of living in the poverty and authoritarism of Argentina. Don't be cinic.
@47 pgerman
May 27th, 2015 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting and informative post.
Thanks for making those points clear.
he difference between [socialism and fascism] is superficial and purely formal, but it is significant psychologically: it brings the authoritarian nature of a planned economy crudely into the open.
May 27th, 2015 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The main characteristic of socialism (and of communism) is public ownership of the means of production, and, therefore, the abolition of private property. The right to property is the right of use and disposal. Under fascism, men retain the semblance or pretense of private property, but the government holds total power over its use and disposal.
The dictionary definition of fascism is: “a governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.), emphasizing an aggressive nationalism
Under fascism, citizens retain the responsibilities of owning property, without freedom to act and without any of the advantages of ownership. Under socialism, government officials acquire all the advantages of ownership, without any of the responsibilities, since they do not hold title to the property, but merely the right to use it—at least until the next purge. In either case, the government officials hold the economic, political and legal power of life or death over the citizens.
Needless to say, under either system, the inequalities of income and standard of living are greater than anything possible under a free economy—and a man’s position is determined, not by his productive ability and achievement, but by political pull and force.
Under both systems, sacrifice is invoked as a magic, omnipotent solution in any crisis—and “the public good” is the altar on which victims are immolated. But there are stylistic differences of emphasis. The socialist-communist axis keeps promising to achieve abundance, material comfort and security for its victims, in some indeterminate future
@49
May 27th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are different kinds of socialism. Tony Blair was socialist. Felipe Gonzalez was socialist. Savador Allende was socialist. And Michelle Bachelet is socialist. They didn{t have any authoritarian behaviour.
In addition I challenge you to find something in common between socialism and peronism. They are both like water and oil.
Peronism is a late latin and third world fascism.
@yankeeboy
May 27th, 2015 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mostly agree with what you wrote about socialism vs fascism, but there is one very important aspect of fascism that doesn't fit with Argentina under Kirchner rule: militarisation of the country (or rather the lack thereof).
Rather than fascism, what we experience in Argentina today is Corporatism, known as the economical branch of fascism. A subtle, but important difference.
Kirchners use mobs instead of the military.
May 27th, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Socialism has many forms all of them are bad.
@pgerman
May 27th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are clearly wrong in labeling Tony Blair a socialist. The British Labour party has never seen a more rightish leader throughout its history than the war criminal Tony Blair. Ed Milliband, however, who recently was blown away by the Tories in the UK elections, has shown socialist tendencies.
Tony Blair is/was nothing but an opportunist who chose Labour as his vehicle to reach power. A truly repugnant character. (No wonder his best friend is Bill Clinton)
#50 pgrman
May 27th, 2015 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...“Savador Allende was socialist...”
Perhaps at one point he identified himself as a Socialist, but during his presidency he was a Marxist with many communist advisors.
@yankeeboy
May 27th, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Kirchners use mobs instead of the military. ”
That's a reach (to say the least) and doesn't fit the purpose of a fascistic militarisation of a country. For instance, you cannot protect your country with mobs or invade other countries. Also, fascism includes Futurism - another aspect which is completely absent in today's Argentina.
Peronism is a corporatist movement and Kircherism is Peronism with a Keynesian-Marxistic flavour, which is bad enough in itself. No reason to draw the f-card.
Dear All: To couple socialism with kirchnerism is ridiculous, the only reason the Kirchner thugs give subsidies (dole?) to the poor and unemployed is to guarantee that those poor and unemployed will be dependent on the kirchnerist thugs and most will go on voting for them.
May 27th, 2015 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Enrique Massot believes that the kirchnerist government is REALLY progressive then he has been fooled otherwise he is NOT a progressive but instead is a peronist fascist!!!!!!!!!
rotting roadkill saw its best days almost a century ago.
May 27th, 2015 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What remains is a slow descent into darkness and further decay.
There may be some periods of stasis or even short reversals of decline but the overall, longterm trend is the continued and progressive destruction of the rotting roadkillian society. This is the history of the last sixty years and it continues. If the nay sayers last long enough they'll bear unrefutable witness to this.
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When (if) the current set of thieves leave power the next group will have to audit YPF, ANSES, BCRA, ETC - to see if anything actually ever did exist.
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
I've never thought Argentina could be fit into one political descriptor. It's a mish mash of everything bad that's ever been thought of in politics.
May 27th, 2015 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you notice the market and bonds took a dive yesterday because it was announced if a K candidate won they'd keep Austral Elvis.
Bahshaha
I sincerely want K-swine/perronist dogs to continue in leadership. In fact - I wish that Cretina would engineer a path to remain in office. This would of course hasten the distruction of rotting roadkill.
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
MY ANSWER.
May 27th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In a few opportunities i could have interesting conversations with people who have deep ideological differences with me, which shows that not all people here are mediocre or reactionarty, who just insult.
However, it's well known that the social scum will always exist, that's why, some people here will keep on thinking that all those citizens who support kirchnerism, is because they are being paid. If i were mediocre like them, i would think that all those people who don't like neather C.F.K., nor everything that has to do with kirchnerism, and who usually insult her, is not because they have ideological differences with the president's party, it's because they are being paid by clarin, la nación, la sociedad rural, the vultures, etc.
On the other hand, i respect all those people who still defend the neoliberal ideas, even despite the dramatic consecuences that they had for the country, actually what bothers me from them, is the dishonest lecture that they do, because they often omit the social disasters that those policies provoked.
When the convertibility plan started in 1991, unemployment rate was 7%, however, with the passage of the years, the figure continued to increase, and not even in the best year of that economic model, in 1997, we could have a low level of unemployment, due to it was 12%, and when Menem left office in 1999, it was 14%.
Anyway, it would be too unfair to blame Menem or De La Rua only, for the crisis of 2001. The truth is that millions of us didn't see that what was destroying our jobs wasn't the corruption of menemism or De La Rua's, it was actually the economic model.
Kirchnerism isn't revolutionary in absolut, it just improved the social situations of millions of citizens, after 26 years of bad policies, especially in the 90's, which took this country to start XXI century, in the conditions of a beggar. But we are still a too unequal society.
Kirchnerism is the same as Chavism.
May 27th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It “improved” lives until it didn't
Don't be shocked when you're fighting over the last roll of toilet paper
or the military issues you cards to buy food.
Because unless something drastic happens that's your future.
The next Prez will have to deal with a bankruptcy and ask for an IMF loan.
Wait and see
If for some reason Cretina can't retain the presidency I would gladly accept Fat Max or even Elvis as El Presidente - if they promise to wear a sash festooned with ribbons and metallic trinkets. [Elvis however - if possessed of the office - must adopt the use of a 1911 (ballester molina) as a pointer for use during impassioned speaking.]
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@Axel Arg
May 27th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your post has the wrong premise on several issues, which unfortunately has been the prevailing public opinion in Argentina during the “decada ganada”:
1) Argentina was never liberal (or the dreaded “neo-liberal”) during the Menem years or beyond, and far from it. Rather, Argentina was governed by a gang of populists (just like today) who sold the country's assets for a pittance since they all were corrupt and personally received a windfall from it.
2) The classic left-right ideologic struggle simply doesn't apply to Argentina, since corruption takes over and perverts whatever political model its leaders choose to “implement”. In Argentina, the struggle is between clean vs dirty rather than left vs right.
3) As long as Argentina is rotten to the core - as it is today - there is no future for this, in many ways wonderful, country. Its citizens (or as Borges insightfully labeled individuals), need to grow up and understand that as long as the pink elephant in the room - Argentina's systemic corruption culture - is not addressed, the country will continue its decadence and further slide into the abyss of rouge states.
Argentina should forget about ideology, political models and the like and only focus on electing decent leaders. Yes, it is that simple! With its resources, a clean gov't could fix the country in a decade - a truly won decade. I won't hold my breath for it to happen, though.
rotting roadkill has a greater likelihood of actually fracturing into a series of splinter nations with governments more representative of their smaller constituencies than ever becoming a viable nation.
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May 27th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....“it's because they are being paid by clarin, la nación, la sociedad rural, the vultures, etc.”
Any idea who pays the best rates...?
I'm open to offers....
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May 27th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News papers, hedgefunds and farmer's Unions dont need ciber warriors. Governments do need them.
Everyone in rotting roadkill is corrupt.
May 28th, 2015 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ever heard of Eugenio Burzaco? Brother of Alejandro Burzaco? LOL.
You can't make it up this good.
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
Well...people here have surprised me! Many posters have taken the time to write long and well reasoned posts with serious argumentation, which is to be commended.
May 28th, 2015 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would add my two cents by saying that the main problem for developing countries have been their dependence from powers from abroad. Let's face, for elites who admire the wealth and sophistication of the central countries, it becomes easier to get cozy with foreign governments or large corporations than to adopt “nationalist” positions that may get them in trouble with some well-known local embassies.
That is how economic schemes such as the Blindaje and the Convertibilidad, the opening of the floodgates to cheap imports and a blind dependence on the IMF recipes kept Argentina in a deteriorating situation, ending up with the catastrophic default of 2001.
It is true that it's not a matter of ideology as much as it is of principles and honesty.
@68
May 28th, 2015 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The companies that are prospecting for oil in THE FALKLANDS have found more OIL in a well in Isobel Deep, there will be lots of Whoopdedoo from the British Government. Don't think so!
Reekie, may insist on living in the dark ages, and his view is not without its partisans. But those views are crude, they are backward, and they are, objectively speaking, incorrect about the way the economic world works. They are barely a step above superstition.
May 28th, 2015 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a very old and thoroughly discredited idea, one that dates back to Karl Marx and to the anti-capitalists who preceded him. It is a facet of the belief that free markets are irrational, and that if reason could be imposed on markets — which is to say, if reason could be imposed on free human beings — then enlightened planners could ensure that resources are directed toward their best use. This line of thinking historically has led to concentration camps, gulags, firing squads, purges, and the like, for a few reasons: The first is that free markets are not irrational; they are a reflection of what people actually value at a particular time relative to the other things that they might also value. Real people simply want things that are different from what the planners want them to want, a predicament that can be solved only through violence and the threat of violence. That is the first reason that this sort of planning leads to gulags. The second is that there are no enlightened planners; men such as Reekie imagine themselves to be candidates for enlightened leadership, but put a whip in his hand and the gentleman from Canada will turn out to be another thug in the long line of thugs who have cleaved to his faith. The third reason that this sort of planning always works out poorly is that nobody knows what the best use of resources actually is; all that the would-be masters know is that they do not approve of the current deployment of resources.
68 Enrique Massot (#)
May 28th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 28th, 2015 - 05:21 am
...“and a blind dependence on the IMF recipes kept Argentina in a deteriorating situation, ending up with the catastrophic default of 2001.”...
Once again you're blaming “neo-liberal” economic philosophy for our woes in the 1990's, but you're completely wrong. The reason for the collapse of our economy in the period between 1999 and 2001 was simply CORRUPTION and pressure applied by the peronist unions to force De La Rúa's abdication(?). Menem and his band of thugs, just like Néstor and CFK, took for themselves out of the Argentine economy U$S 16 billion, Néstor and CFK have taken U$S 20 billion. Very few countries in the world today could stay afloat with this level of corruption, it is to Argentina's credit, due to her enormous natural resources, that she is only slightly bankrupt (this is probably similar to being only slightly pregnant)!!!!!!!!!
It's weird and I think its because of brainwashing the weak minded that people like Reekie and Axel think the very brief time period they associate with “neo-liberal” (whatever that is) have caused a decline in Rg living standards when it clearly began with Peron.
May 28th, 2015 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has been 3 generation of decline.
Each generation since Peron is poorer and dumber than the last.
There has never been free market capitalism under the rule of law in rotting roadkill.
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@72 It's not brainwashing, the biggest drops in living standards just happened right after neo-liberal governments. People don't see long trends, and would never believe that the drop in living standards is because of Peronism.
May 28th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By giving the low and middle classes access to goods that they didn't have before, like cars and fridges and television, Peron got much more influence that he could ever do by brainwashing (which he did attempt, though).
@71 Actually the problem isn't just the stealing at the top, it's also the stealing at the bottom and the money spent in pumping the economy. If just 2 billion vanished each year, then we would be much better than we are now.
De La Rua could never survive a government and I doubt Macri will. The Peronist crooks ARE the state: without their share they will collapse the state.
#71 Simon
May 28th, 2015 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corruption is but the tip of the iceberg. The real problem is with the measures taken with the economy.
Menem bargained the State assets to the lowest bidder and destroyed the production capabilities of Argentina.
The Kirchners followed a totally different path, and the population recognizes that, as the last opinion polls published by the Clarin newspaper on May 25 gave FpV candidate Daniel Scioli 33.1 per cent of intention of vote.
PRO candidate Mauricio Macri got 32.2 per cent.
Sergio Massa is down to 13.8 per cent.
www.clarin.com/politica/elecciones_2015-encuesta_0_1362464147.html
Those results compare to those published by Clarin on March 25, showing an advantage of Macri with 26.4 per cent.
Massa, at that time, had 24.2 per cent, and Scioli was trailing at 23.1 per cent.
www.clarin.com/elecciones_2015/Elecciones_2015-encuestas-Macri-Massa-Scioli_0_1327067470.html
No wonder why the opposition is desperate. Those results for a party that has been over a decade in government and under a relentless offensive of the Group Clarin and other opponent media are remarkable.
74. RE: Part II
May 28th, 2015 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0concur
The bureaucracy is congenitally perronist. It would be impossible for the rotting roadkillians to go cold turkey on clientism. The shock will shake the society to its foundations. This is why rotting roadkill can't adapt and is destined to crumble. Good Times!
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
@ 71 Simon68
May 28th, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“this is probably similar to being only slightly pregnant”
Or in TMBOA case 'almost a virgin'!
Opinion polls published by the Clarin newspaper gave, on March 25, the advantage to PRO candidate Mauricio Macri with 26.4 per cent of vote intention.
May 29th, 2015 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Macri was followed by candidate Sergio Massa with 24.2 per cent, and FpV candidate Daniel Scioli was trailing at 23.1 per cent.
www.clarin.com/elecciones_2015/Elecciones_2015-encuestas-Macri-Massa-Scioli_0_1327067470.html
Two months later, (May 25), Clarin published the results of another poll:
Scioli: 33.1 per cent
Macri: 32.2 per cent
Massa: 13.8 per cent
www.clarin.com/politica/elecciones_2015-encuesta_0_1362464147.html
Perhaps, Argentines' increasing support of Scioli is a consequence of their blissful ignorance of the country's imminent demise! They should ask some MercoPress posters to learn the true.
'60 axel arg (#)
May 29th, 2015 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0MY ANSWER...... But we are still a too unequal society.'
To fix that you need to look after and grow your middle class... not fuck them over and destroy their savings every 10 years or so.
Memorable statement from TMBOA a while back refered to 'subsidising' the poor... yup... just subsidise them because no poor... no peronism... feed em but don't try and lift them out of poverty.
@78
May 29th, 2015 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I concur with your last paragraph, we will look on with enthusiasm, I am sure that the Argentines will choose more corruption from these leeches.
@78.
May 29th, 2015 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scioli is NOT going to win and the FPV is going to be kicked out of power. Managment & Fit and Poliarquía are Scioli bought.
30% is the most support he can get, and 60% of the country does not want another K government.
And besides that was taken even before Insaurralde backed down in Pcia de BsAs. They are only left between Dominguez and Anibal Fernandez very BAD candidates both of them. Its almost as they are trying to lose on purpose the Ks.
That Macri is not over 40% is only due to Massa's FR still lives in name only. But his voters are 80% opposition.
See how in August all the votes will flock to Macri. Look and lern old terrorist turd
Queen Cretina!
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
“Corruption is but the tip of the iceberg.”
May 29th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People who believe this are very, very mistaken. Like a swarm of locusts, corruption ruins everything since it requires incompetent people (Boudou, DeVido, Cristina Kirchner etc, etc) to be in key positions, and to a somewhat lesser degree because of the wealth that is stolen.
Rather, corruption IS the iceberg; economic governance, the justice system and the entire society can never work properly as long as public employees do little but think “what's in it for me”?
81 CabezaDura2
May 30th, 2015 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on!
What a fantastic display of obtuse arrogance!
Read the numbers according to what they show--have an objective read of reality--which is different from your wishes.
Who took the 10 points lost by Massa in the last two months?
Who did?
It wasn't Macri to be sure my friend.
Keep reading.
#83 Jonaz
”corruption ruins everything since it requires incompetent people (Boudou, DeVido, Cristina Kirchner etc, etc) to be in key positions”
With all due respect: what are you talking about? These people were elected. What does it have to do with corruption?
On your second paragraph I concur: if a government is full of corrupts, they will make corrupt decisions, not in function of the country but in function of their own interests or those of their (often foreign) associates.
I do not negate that there may be corrupt officials; the extent, however, has not been assessed by the courts.
On the other hand, I do not believe government decisions such as implementing the Universal Child Allocation or to aggressively negotiate a haircut of 70 per cent in the foreign debt can be considered acts of corruption.
@EM
May 30th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Santa Cruz mafia - NK, DeVido etc - stole 1,5 bn USD (this is documented) when Nestor was governor of oil rich Santa Cruz province which they subsequently used to influence powerful intendentes in el conurbano in order to be elected in 2003. Duhalde(!) was instrumental for getting NK elected. No one wins an election in Argentina without the support of the mafias that reigns over the 10 M desperately uneducated people who populate the BsAs province. This is exactly what Massa is experiencing at the moment.
Your illusion of Argentina as a true democracy is beyond naive, I'm a afraid. If you are waiting for the courts to assess the magnitude of Argentine corruption you'll wait in vain. They are just as corrupted as this nation's political elite.
The effect of Universal Child Allocation has mainly been eaten away by inflation. Children are starving again, just as they did under Menem. The public debt is at 45% of GDP, exactly the same level as in 2001 but this time around it is Argentine pensioners, rather than Italian ones who'll suffer. It's the proverbial same shit, new wrapping.
You seem to take your decisions based on illusions and ideology rather than reality.
84.
May 30th, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reek.
You dont know how to interpret numbers, do you??
I work with numbers everyday, old clown.
“Who took the 10 points lost by Massa in the last two months?” Scioli didn't.
Macri a year ago bearly had over 12% of support. Now he is close to 30% or over it.
And even Scioliarquia 2 months ago situated Macri at 25%, Scioli at 31% and now the last poll they registered sets Macri neck and neck with Scioli.
That is called cold feet.
That is your own posts here, your own handpicked polls, but as stupid as the British libtards often here, you guys dont understand nor know how to interprit basic numbers and statistcs.
And as you get closer to the election the purchased opinion polls will start moving towards Macri to not lose credibility
You are not even Argentine. Stop making such a arse of yourself with stuff that is all in your imagination and telling lies to people that have the foot on the ground here in this country.
Unfortunately some people continue to commit the stupid mistake of believing in polls, even despite the big sorprises that we saw with different electoral results.
May 30th, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All those citizens who want to discuss seriously about politic, must realise that it's possible to make a politic lecture without being adicts to the polls, which figures are usually distorted on behalf of the big media corporations and of the politicians who pay for them.
When i see that the most powerful media corporations from the country ask Macri and Massa desperately to form a great coalition against kirchnerism, is because it's evident that f. p. v. has still big chances of winning the elections in october.
If kirchnerism was so over, like some mediocre journalists say, then it wouldn't be necesary to make any big coalition against the party of the national government.
On the other hand, what some of the people who despise kichnerism don't see, is that even in the case that f. p. v. loses the elections in october, nobody will be able to dismantle it's legacy, without paying a big politic cost, because people have already empowered of all the achievements that workers could get since 2003.
Although conservatives win, and carry out with their characteristic policies, they won't be able to return to the levels of high unemployment like in the 90's, which is what businessmen want, in order to pay misserable salaries, otherwise, they won't last too much in office.
The fiscal deficit is 800% higher so far this year over the disasterous 2014.
May 31st, 2015 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're buying votes.
Printing as fast as they can to keep the economy afloat.
It can't last much longer
until the TSUNAMI of inflation starts
I can't wait.
The anticipation is delicious.
87.
May 31st, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boring.
I' m still waiting for the disastrous crisis that never came. Actualy i have heard about it since 2008.
May 31st, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If many of the people who usually insult C. F. K. for the economic policies of her government, weren't so ignorant, they would know that not always monetary emission takes the country to more inflation, in fact, since october of 2014, untill april of this year, the monetary emission and the fiscal deficit have increased so much, but the inflation level has had a relevant deceleration, which is recognized even by private institutions.
Beside, if we see the evolution of our emission since 2004, we'll see that in some periods it was higher than in others, however inflation has always remained high, even in many countries, in the same period, like in Brasil, canada, U. S. A.., Chile and others that i can't remember now, have increased also their monetary emission, however the don't have in absolut the problems that we have with inflation.
I don't like the fact that we have deficit, but i would be too ignorant if i didn't take into account the pathetic international context, which has prejudiced our trade too much since 2008.
In fact, the prices of the comodities that we export are lowering, Brazil, which is our main trade partner is on ressession since more than our year ago, developed nations are still suffering the consecuences of the international financial crisis, that's why most them have mediocre growths, or are on ressession. In this lamentable international scenario, if the state didn't continue to promote raises for the salaries of workers, and if it implemented austerity plans like in many european countries, we would have a similar level o unemployment to the one of the 90's.
All those forists who usually insult, should take into account all these facts before spitting their hate.
It feels better to observe these events from afar, as I have left Argentina and moved to the U.S. I held out for as long as I could, but it's depressing how some people are willing to sell out their fellow countrymen over a few pesos and support such a corrupt regime.
May 31st, 2015 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The relief I feel by not having someone constantly searching for new ways to steal me is immense.
For you trolls that constantly bash the U.S., maybe you should experience the relatively low tax rate, and purchasing everyday goods at the natural market rate before you decide to parrot politicians that are aggressively stealing and creating problems for you.
90. How's it going in Venezuela? CFK has been following the exact same policies except Argentina doesn't export oil.
May 31st, 2015 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will be happy when I see people like you street fighting over the last bag of beans and starving.
Its the only way you'll learn
how dumb you really are...
Is their anything more pathetic than reading axel's brainwashed propaganda version on the economy??
Jun 01st, 2015 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If many of the people who usually insult C. F. K. for the economic policies of her government, weren't so ignorant, they would know that not always monetary emission takes the country to more inflation, in fact, since october of 2014, untill april of this year, the monetary emission and the fiscal deficit have increased so much, but the inflation level has had a relevant deceleration, which is recognized even by private institutions.”
Listen baboon, inflation via printing has a 6 to 9 months delay to come into effect. Fabregas effect was at its peak during the time frame you describe.
And how much Lebacs and Nobacs has the treasury released to absorb the excess of money supply???
And inflation via printing can only be stopped by massive amount of debt issue, which at this moment is record high than ever in Argentina's history.
“Beside, if we see the evolution of our emission since 2004, we'll see that in some periods it was higher than in others, however inflation has always remained high, even in many countries, in the same period, like in Brasil, canada, U. S. A.., Chile and others that i can't remember now, have increased also their monetary emission, however the don't have in absolut the problems that we have with inflation.”
I explained to you in the past why ups and downs in the economical cicle before with a table with numbers and all from the whole period 2005 to 2014.
Stop reading rented economists like Zaiat who dont know, or a paid to confuse ignorant and stupid souls like yourself that actually want to be lied too.
@93 “Listen baboon, inflation via printing has a 6 to 9 months delay to come into effect. Fabregas effect was at its peak during the time frame you describe.”
Jun 01st, 2015 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0The government got the timing perfectly... I wonder whether they were lucky or they planned this all along... probably a bit of both.
87 axel arg
Jun 01st, 2015 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Polls are snapshots in time and subject to error. You can poll people one week before the election and get it wrong. However, you need to have a superior analysis tool to come up with more precise results than a poll that is not grossly, purposely distorted. You may estimate from personal experience, but this is often limited to your circle, which may include family, friends, coworkers, which is a narrow sample to say the least.
I agree that one sure sign the FpV is doing well is the desperation of Clarin pushing for a Massa-Macri alliance. They clearly see they may not get their favourite horse in the winning position come the October election. But this is out of the realm of possible for some posters in this forum.
It would just be too much.
#85 Jonaz
”The public (Argentine) debt is at 45% of GDP, exactly the same level as in 2001.”
Picking and choosing to prove a point?
Try 2002: Argentina foreign debt ratio to GDP had jumped to 165 per cent.
Or 2003: 140 per cent.
In 2004: going down, still 127 per cent.
http://www.indexmundi.com/argentina/public_debt.html
In 2006, Argentina still had 74 per cent of GDP in foreign debt, going down.
You get a nice graphic that shows the 2006-2014 progression at
http://www.indexmundi.com/argentina/public_debt.html
@EM
Jun 01st, 2015 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, so you are unable to read and understand econ. stats? You are not alone, millions of K voters are with you.
2002 levels are due to the massive devaluation of the peso (70%) that occurred in 2001. Measured in 1 peso to 1 dollar your stat shows EXACTLY what I said, pre-crises debt level (2000) was 45% just as it is today. Wise up or go away.
Reekie/Acela and the rest of the numbnut Kidiots don't know how to interpret financials and are easily duped by the propaganda coming out of the Kthugs.
Jun 01st, 2015 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Reekie will be in the great Commonwealth capitalist country of Canada when it all falls apart in Argentina.
That retard is like Stevie still saying “we are all Chavez” as 16000 people a year die because of bad gov't policies and they've resorted to an animal state to obtain basic human necessities.
Theyre both sickening
Clearly some of you haven't interacted with the real world. The Argentine peso is an undesirable currency. The Blue Rate is bad enough at 13/1, but in the U.S. it trades at 17/1 in few locations because it's not accepted everywhere.
Jun 01st, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I no longer use my Argentine credit card, because it's a liability. Also, I have to make two phone calls for certain purchases to the credit card company and the vendor if it exceeds a certain amount.
I'm living in the U.S. now where all of those issues are a thing of the past. You shouldn't have to get permission to choose where you spend your earnings, and be penalized for wanting more options. The practices the government is implementing have been tried and they have failed. There is historical precedent for that.
“I agree that one sure sign the FpV is doing well is the desperation of Clarin pushing for a Massa-Macri alliance.”
Jun 01st, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were did you get this bullshit from??
Did you call Ernestina Noble de Herrera, Ricardo Kirschbaum and the rest of Clarin's board told you so??
98. I've not seen a Arg Peso quote at any currency agency ( not many left frankly) since 2001.
Jun 01st, 2015 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody takes them outside of Arg.
You might as well have currency from North Korea.
Funny aside, it costs more to counterfeit (paper/ink) than the highest bill is worth in Venezuela.
Bahahahaa
@100 There are a handful of places that take it at a high premium. The aforementioned 17/1 exchange rate. The airport exchange kiosks won't take it, but the one at the mall will.
Jun 01st, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some places haven't taken the Argentine peso since Cristina got re-elected, and others will take it during some months, but not others. It's a disaster. I'm working for a U.S. company, earning U.S. dollars, and it's a relief to feel that sense of economic freedom. There's nothing more degrading than someone micromanaging your finances.
When you finally leave, you realize how utterly small Cristina and her cronies are, but while you're there, it's hell.
101. Welcome to the USA! I am happy that the country is living up to your expectations.
Jun 01st, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just wait until we get a new Prez
Then you'll see how things are really supposed to work here.
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Jun 02nd, 2015 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.” Frederick Douglass
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