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PM Cameron and EC Juncker begin talks to renegotiate UK EU membership
David Cameron has told European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker that “British people are not happy with the status quo” in Europe. The prime minister hosted Mr. Juncker at Chequers at the start of a week of efforts to renegotiate Britain's EU membership. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhen will the EU and Cameron understand? Okay, he's making a try. But the deal that the people of the UK want is trade. Just trade. Nothing else. Then the EU can stop telling us what to do, how to do it and taking our money. £53-55 million a DAY! For what? There is little or nothing in for the ordinary person.
May 26th, 2015 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only last year Angela Merkel said: “The fall of the Wall showed us that dreams can come true. Nothing has to stay as it is.”
May 26th, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fast forward 6 months and she's changed her tune. Europe must stay as it is.
The choice is either like it or lump it. I for one am more than happy to lump it. Roll on referendum day!
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May 26th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You may like to dwell only in the UK and not have free movement across Europe and have the preference to work or live outside of your little world....
I... like many others are not so parochial and enjoy the rights to purchase property and live in a choice of many countries without any restrictions....
My bet is the UK will leave the Euro Zone. The EU is a failed experiment that deserves a dignified death.
May 26th, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never thought it would last...
@3. A few years ago, I drove more than 8,000 miles around Europe. I needed to carry my passport, the EU-approved registration document for my car, my car insurance documents, my travel and health insurance documents and, at the time, I needed to have my car marked to show that it was registered in the UK. Free movement? I don't mind free movement for me, if it existed, because I'm law-abiding. Free movement for other nationalities that use it to get to Europe and trek across the continent to get to the UK and sponge for the rest of their lives? Forget it. Still, when you've already been spongeing for 308 years, what would you care? Still spongeing today. Don't you pay more tax than anyone else? Yeah, 0.2% more. And accounted for by oil revenue. Do I want the preference to work and live elsewhere in Europe? No and no. England is the best country in the world. As I recall British people managed to purchase property and live in a choice of countries before the EU. I recall that one such area was dubbed the Costa del Crime! Come Brexit, you'll be welcome to go and live somewhere else. Question is, will you remain entitled to the largely English consular assistance? Will you be entitled to come back when the local government decides your property breaches local planning rules? I can assure you that I will be lobbying to removing 'rights' from people that desert the UK. Those of us who choose to stay and support our country deserve a better deal than deserters.
May 26th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4. The UK isn't in the eurozone. The eurozone consists of those countries that use the euro as their currency. The UK has the pound sterling. 1.54 of your dollars for one of our pounds.
@ 4 yankeeboy
May 26th, 2015 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is not in the “Euro Zone”, this generally refers to the Euro currency area.
As to whether the vote is to leave the EU, much will depend on what happens between now and then.
And a lot is likely to happen, or at least be said.
This is going to go on for a while.
While they are it, how about a concurrent referéndum by all the British electorate eligible to vote on the question:
May 26th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you wish Scotland to remain part of the UK? Yes or no
@2
May 26th, 2015 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The choice is either like it or lump it. ”
Merkel's problem is with the like it or lump it approach is that by lumping it, the EU loses one of their biggest contributors , which financial sugar daddy is going to replace the UK? Look how Merkel tries to bully Greece,) looking at them with contempt, when maybe the strait jacket of the Euro may limit the Greek's ability to get out of their crisis), on the other end of the financial scale and is realising she can't totally command the Greeks!
And what is Spain going to do when we get our fishing zones back and say 'no amigo, fish off your own coast.“
@3”and not have free movement across Europe ”
So if the Brits leave the EU, British citizens will be prevented from living and travelling in Europe? RUBBISH!
I wasn't aware that the Norwegians and Swiss were not allowed to travel to EU countries?
So is there no freedom of movement to go to Australia? That's outside the EU.
How many British citizens with the 'freedom of movement' go to France and scrounge off the French welfare system? (perhaps more than I think-though it seems everyone wants to come to the UK not the other way around).
@ 8 Pete Bog
May 26th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is the second biggest net contributor, just ahead of the French. Netherlands is the biggest payer proportionally speaking.
And this is what is now concentrating minds in the EU as we speak.
If the UK does leave, then drastic reforms will be necessary if the EU is not to collapse under the weight of its own costs.
Merkel will be singing a different tune from here on in, that much is for certain.
@6
May 26th, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are right where the propaganda is concerned, however I reckon the most important meeting happened last night and the deal has been done. What happens from now on will just be padding out.
Ultimately his big sell the UK will be a reduction in migration numbers, we have had the piss taken out of us for years by people claiming every benefit going and not putting a penny in.
People probably don't know this on here, but thousands of people a year are put on a plane from eastern europe, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and many others with life threatening illnesses including cancer, bullet wounds, tumas and many advanced conditions untreatable in their own countries and the plane is met by an ambulance when it lands in the UK and they are then treated to health for free by the NHS for any condition. They don't live here, never paid a penny into our system, but their own governments just stick them on a plane to the UK because they know our system will treat them for nothing.
Seriously, we have had the piss taken out of us for years!
Free movement of people probably can’t be changed, however entitlement to benefits can be and the UK probably doesn’t need agreement from the EU to do it.
May 26th, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Germany has already got a favourable ruling from the ECHR on the subject, Cameron is threatening to withdraw from the ECHR anyway.
The days of benefit tourism are probably numbered in the EU as a whole.
Britain is not alone in many of these matters, as shall soon be seen.
the renegotiation will be a huge kick in cameron´s fat ass.
May 26th, 2015 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who the fuck want these chronic debtors, with one of the biggest debts on earth, absolutely unpayable and whose main exports are criminals?
not to mention english tourists who are also criminals.
the only role of england in the world is and will be as the lap dog of the usa.
the bootlickers of papa obama.
but it seems papa obama does not like that lapdog too much.
Bollxcks upon more crappy bollxcks,
May 26th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he who craws the most, has the most to lose,
SNP , Labour , and the dammed liberals , are trying to get in on the act, the president talks whilst its birds caboodles behind our backs,
a more integrated tax system that will strangle small business, yet on TV the Snp give the impression that business will benefit, so some one is lying,
the TV , BBC , ETC , Give lots of air time to PRO eurotwats, but where is the anti euro lobbies',
all the =Britain will sink , die , go under , suffer , millions unemployed , no one will trade with us , talk to us , we will be isolated, groups will out in force trying to brainwash the people,
I have not seen much anti euro people on TV,
are we being high jacked I ask,
have these traitors hidden the parachutes,
I say just this=
Europe can give us nothing , but nothing that our own government cant give us,
and if our government wont then something is seriously wrong with our government, brainwashed perhaps.
well that's my rant for today,
out out out....
Haha, just been listening to that mad Sturgeon woman saying that 4 million Scots will be telling the other 59 million whether or not we can leave the EU or not. Is the air a bit thin up there?
May 26th, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have got to hand it to her, she is as funny in voice as appearance.
You are the expert Paul… or is it 'you are the pervert'? Idiota…
May 26th, 2015 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some interesting implications for for national borders could result. (NI, Gib)
May 27th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or just GB will puss out and stay. an end to all diva whining.
looking win-winish.
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May 27th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 016 Vestige
May 27th, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that within the next 25 years?
Reading the British press and listening to the groundswell of opinions folk seem to be increasingly fed up with the whingeing Scots trying to wag the tail of the UK dog. So an extra question on the referéndum paper for all UK voters: Should Scotland remain as part of the UK, yes or no?
May 27th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Roll it on!! Can´t wait for the Exit vote!!! no more whinging poms!!
May 28th, 2015 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let´s see what will really happen to the business world in The UK when the UK
pulls out!! or what Scotland and Gibraltar. http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/dont-let-great-britain-become-little-britain-stay-in-the-euhave to say after the vote.
18 - not really. more like 1 year.
May 28th, 2015 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hows non-EU UK going to have a common travel area with (EU) Ireland if its in the EU, good luck re-implementing a physical border in NI and getting rid of the agreed free travel. Thats if UK leaves.
Could try some kind of visa arrangement between NI and GB, although that might be ..... 'controversial'. Gets very messy very quickly.
Then theres Gib, they seem quite intent on UK staying in EU. Probably cause Spain will implement a toll road, among other thigns the next day if theres brexit.
And then theres the Scots too. There'll be another indy ref quickly. Risky.
(oh and all the Brits living in the EU that will have to apply for visas, availability well under whats wanted naturally. )
The alternative is to vote to stay in the EU, but that makes the whinging kind of difficult.
win win.
And And And--but but but , etc etcetc , exuses exuses exuses.
May 28th, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why not try something new,
something good , fresh , novel , its called Freedom from the overlords,
we should come out,
Any problem can be dealt with later.
after lets be fair here, 28 are in, 172 are not,
out out out..and sod the Euro.
22 - then do it fggt.
May 28th, 2015 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0vote out so i can lol.
@21 Vestige
May 29th, 2015 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0No “concepts” involved in any of this then???
Or will it be the result of a failure to agree???
Too simple for you???
still sore Pugol ?
May 29th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0after maybe a week ? lol.
Still chuckling you mean.
May 29th, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Been busy!
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/05/09/tory-majority-government-but-looking-to-scottish-independentists-landslide
May 29th, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
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22 Briton
May 29th, 2015 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0totally agree, The EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.
The sooner we are rid of that rotting nest of vipers, the better.
We should be more like Switzerland!! More money and more chocolate, who ( in their right mind ) wouldn't want more of that?
We give £18.2 billion a year to those corrupt, wife-swapping child molesters in Brussels + £11 billion in “Foreign aid”.
That's £29.2 Billion a year that we should be spending INSIDE our own borders, not throwing it away to questionable organisations overseas.
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May 30th, 2015 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How fitting that the EU should have it's parliament in Brussels, so named after the Christmas vegetable that no one likes.
May 31st, 2015 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully, come 2017, one of three things will have happened:-
1/ the EU will drag us into a war with Russia
2/ those refugees we are saving from the med will have some ISIS fighters in them and they will commit an outrage in Paris or London
3/ the flood of migrants will overwhelm the NHS
If either one of these things happen, those of us who are not already p*ssed right off with the EC/EU whatever it calls itself, will see the light.
The ONLY reason for staying with the EU is cheap labour for British companies. I have tried to find another way in which the EU benefit's the UK but I can't. Our Nigel said that it's a “Big boys club” good for big business but it's the ordinary people who get caught up in all the red tape.
The UK doesn't need to be paying someone in Brussels £55 miliion a day just to say that it's cucumbers aren't bendy enough.
UK risks following Nazi example on human rights, UN expert claims
May 31st, 2015 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0François Crépeau provokes outrage after likening Conservatives' threat to quit European Convention on Human Rights to repression in 1930s Germany
Mucking disgusting and an insult , not only to those that died, but an insult to EVERY British citizen,
Eye hope all you PRO EU voters are listening,
The doctorial EU will never let us go un less we vote for it, they will use every disgusting dirty trick in the book to chain Britain the EU by condemning all of us that wants to leave,
All the government wants is to replace the Dreaded ECHR with a British bill of rights,
So decisions will be taken by the British courts and not the European courts,
Is that so wrong to understand,
This ECHR and the EU Referendum will destroy our way of life to the demands of compleat unelected corrupt nutters on the gravy train to Euroland.
Just saying like..
28 toooldtodieyoung
thanks,
vestige knows nowt
@31
Jun 01st, 2015 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige knows a lot more than you.
.Treason or just ones imagination running wild again.
Jun 01st, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very hard and serious accusations to make,
But make them, one must
,
Consider the meeting between the president [unelected] and his subordinate, Mr Cameron last week,
We don’t know what they spoke abt, but presumably it was secret, private, and him fighting our corner.
After the meeting, David gives no indication of anything other than fighting our corner,
They either give us what we want or we walk,
Giving the rightful impression that he is indeed fighting for us,
And this impression, I believe is what we the British people believe he is doing, and rightly so,
Then today in the
Times, this president overlord stated the following,
Britain will not vote to leave EU, says Juncker
European Commission president claims Brexit “not desired by British” and David Cameron is using referendum to tie Britain to Europe permanently
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11643101/Britain-will-not-vote-to-leave-EU-says-Juncker.html
Now either David was lying, and he is indeed giving us away, and the boss man was correct, or David is truly fighting for us, and this president is lying,
Yet no government official has condemned the article,
So-is this man fighting our corner, or committing treason and selling us down the drain,
Or the president is deliberately and maliciously stirring up the British people,
Treason or just ones imagination running wild..
Just a thought.
32@
being the expert you probably know everything.
I know you're an EU citizen. lolol.
Jun 01st, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EU citizen= never not if I can help it. lol
Jun 01st, 2015 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bit late.
Jun 02nd, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Better late than never.
Jun 02nd, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0eu citizen all the same.
Jun 02nd, 2015 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British citizen all the same
Jun 03rd, 2015 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Commenting for this story is now closed.
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