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Cameron begins tour to tell European leaders UK people are not satisfied with EU relationship
David Cameron is starting a tour of European capitals as a bill paving the way for the UK's EU referendum is launched in the House of Commons. The British PM will attempt to persuade the Dutch, French, Polish and German premiers to back his changes to the UK's EU membership. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMerkel will screw over the PR-PC Oxford school boy. The Germans are NOT the Scots.
May 28th, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0In what something that can happen in Europe can affect our lives? In nothing!
May 28th, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpc0Y3wPDiA
If they get any concessions they'll be quickly taken away by the faceless unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels. The EU is rigged against the UK.
May 28th, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0They should bail.
Establish a free trade agreement and that's all.
Get out from under the crazy regs of the EU and become independent again.
Otherwise the UK is doomed.
When England leave the EU the isolation of the “Five Eyes” will be complete.
May 28th, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Next step: Destroy the economy of 5.
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May 28th, 2015 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would Merkel want to screw Cameron? Cameron doesn't want to leave the EU, the EU doesn't want the UK to leave, Cameron isn't looking for anything unfeasible, and the EU has a long history of compromises, opt-outs, and fudges going back to the time of de Gaulle. There will be a deal.
Next step Grexit, soon after will be Latino exits when economies collapse. 1 month or so. Big knock on bad effect on LA.
May 28th, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will be voting to leave, but i'm afraid for the international onlookers, this is all show, pantomime even.
May 28th, 2015 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 HansNiesund is absolutely correct, a deal will be done, the risks to the EU of the UK leaving are monumental, its a risk too high. It is upsetting because I do think that this our last chance to retain our sovereignty.
The UK will simply be an EU state in the future.
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May 28th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because retard, it simply doesnt work like that.
As Yb said today and I did yesturday on the other thread of Stugeon and Scotland regarding the EU
The bureaucrats will reset by law all the benefits or devolvement of powers that Cameron will potentially get the UK, the day after the YES vote is casted in 2017.
Why didn't the EU nor Merkel give any interest to Cameron's demands when the Lib Dems were in coalition with him and Nigel Farage almonst forced a open tory rebellion????
Now all of a sudden they Germans are all OK with devolving powers???
LOL kiddo or, LOL olddo, should I say
You dont understand how realpolitiks work so move along.
@1. I know that Cameron believes it's best for the UK to stay in the EU and work for change. Trouble is that intelligent British people don't see it that way. What they see is over 60 million people being dictated to by an essentially unelected, undemocratic dictatorship. How does that work when there is the EU Parliament? Does the EU Parliament govern? No. Does the Council of Ministers govern? No. What governs is the unelected EU Commission. Sorry, it is 'elected'. But not by the people. Commissioners elect each other.
May 28th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7. Then you need to work to demonstrate to europhiles that they're wrong. We must work to get Britain out. Consider, the UK contributes around £53 million every DAY. What does it get for it? More directives, regulations and rules. The EU even sends British money to argieland. Do you know a major lie? British trade with the EU. All British exports shipped via the container ports of Antwerp and Rotterdam are recorded are recorded as exports to the EU. It's been admitted in the past that British exports to the EU are inflated by at least 10%. It wasn't long ago that figures were released showing British exports to the EU were down to 45%. But if that was really 35%? How many years did Britain do very well without the EU, thanks? The British people must be educated to see the truth. Can you imagine one of the foremost free democracies on Earth not having a guiding voice. Instead we are being led by two countries that, in the last 215 years, have started no less than three world wars. By countries such as spain without the least idea of either freedom or democracy. And doesn't even understand law. Countries that spent at least 50 years under soviet domination and, as a result, are poor. And who's paying to drag them into the 20th century?
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May 28th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, Cabecita, but that's exactly how it does work, as you would know if you knew anything about the history and politics of the EU, and how its major decisions actually are made. But you couldn't be expected to know that as long as you rely upon your compendium of clichés to make sense of the world.
I am not aware of all the arguments, solid or not, presented by those in favour of the UK leaving the EU, or remaining in it, but a simple approach to finding a solution, should take into account that the current 'migrants' welfare entitlement rules need to be changed - to become a damned sight more restrictive - and that what should prevail in the UK is British, not European Law.....If the EU focused only on free trade within the Union, instead of dictating rules which interfere with the management of each member's internal affairs, perhaps it would be more acceptable to most.
May 28th, 2015 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 011
May 28th, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here are the key arguments for and against British membership....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32793642
if /when we come out,
May 28th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the world had better watch out,
for with our freedom will come a better , stringer , and more powerful Britain in the world,
the million pound gravy train will be diverted from the corrupt EU, back to the UK,
if we stay, history I fear will have to be re-written.
just my opinion..
@13. Hopefully true. Taking no prisoners. Always remembering that England comes FIRST. Then Wales. Northern Ireland. And lastly, whoever's left under martial law. Slap the traitors round the head with a cricket bat!
May 28th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 010.
May 28th, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is why liberals cant argue. You state a argument. They challenge the argument, on the basis of nothing and ask you exactly how your argument applies.
When you answer and back your original post sitting A) B) C).... X)
They say no it doesn’t work like that because.......well I don’t know why not, but it just doesn’t because you know no history of the EU.
You should seriously be considering a place in the Special Olympics British team.
Loool, you're a funny guy when you try.
May 29th, 2015 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0But back to the argument. You still seem to be having your usual difficulties distinguishing between cartoons and realpolitik, and this has led you to believe that what is going on here is some kind of struggle between Cameron and Merkel with her orc armies of faceless bureaucrats in Brussels and Frankfurt. I'm sure Cameron would be quite happy for us all to believe that, but serious eurosceptics aren't buying it at all. See e.g http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3095556/Dave-demand-earth-Europe-s-leaders-amazed-wants-LITTLE-says-Daniel-Hannan-Conservative-MEP.html.
And in this they are right. Cameron isn't calling into question anything fundamental at all. He's tried to put up a smokescreen to cover this in the shape of the proposal to withdraw from the ECHR and replace the Human Rights act, which is quite a smart move since it allows him to wrap himself in a neo-Peronist flag of sovereignity over a matter that has nothing to do with the EU at all, and has no economic impact either. Unfortunately it seels the wheels are coming off that move, thanks to the Scots, the Irish, and the Welsh, but something else will surely be found. Most of the rest requires no Treaty change at all.
This being so, what problem is he going to have with Merkel? What unites them is far greater and stronger than what divides them. The EU is all about free market liberal capitalism and they're both ardent believers in that. And so long as the principle of free movement of labour remains in place, there is no way Merkel is going to risk damage to the German economy over tax credits for Polish workers in the UK.
The idea that faceless bureaucrats call the shots is also well wide of the mark. Major EU decisions these days are made by politicians horse trading outside the EU framework. And this is precisely what DC is up to right now. He will get what he wants. The EU, contrary to myth, is not a monolith, but a mass of compromises.
@12. They aren't 'key' arguments. How do you feel if I have the 'right' to enter your home at any time, take up residence, require you to support me for the rest of my natural life and there's no way you can stop me? How about if I'm first in the queue for the money from your pay packet? Before the government. How do you feel if I can see your employer and offer to do the same job for £5 a day less than you do? And you get sacked? How do you feel if, within 15 years, scotland is an islamic state? And 99% black? Down the mosque five times a day for you!
May 29th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16. Do tell us more about your last paragraph. Can the European Parliament debate anything that hasn't been put on its agenda by the European Commission? When the politicians have finished horse trading, who formulates the 'legislation'? Make that leap to reality. Consider this. Why would Cameron object to federalist Juncker as president of the European Commission? Because Juncker is now the most powerful individual in the EU. And Juncker doesn't like sovereignty. He likes 'federalism'. Where he would be top dog!
@ 15 CabezaDura2
May 29th, 2015 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron and Merkel have much in common in many respects, particularly when it comes to austerity, in a Europe where there are two kind of Politians, those pro austerity and those against.
She will do everything she can to keep the UK in, if only because of the finical impact of the UK leaving, fuck the Grexit, that would be serious shit.
As for Scotland, if the UK votes to leave the EU then there would be another referendum in Scotland, when they would be able to vote in favour of leaving the UK and applying to join the EU as a new member.
There is no way of Scotland “continuing” membership of the EU under the same terms, if the UK leaves the EU.
The bureaucrats in the EU will have to put into effect whatever the heads of governments decide. Much if not all of what Cameron is looking for can be done without treaty changes.
That is the realpolitik of Europe today, where deals are cobbled together as a matter of course. The question is whether it will be enough to get a “yes” vote in the referendum, if not then we shall see who gets what fallout.
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May 29th, 2015 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an earth is wrong with you dick head??? Over 60 % of your laws are made in Brussels, that is enough to rebuttal your whole post.
http://order-order.com/2015/03/02/comprehensive-study-finds-64-7-of-uk-law-made-in-brussels/#_@/Zl2X47rVNvL1jA
It amazes me ever more that Europhiles and liberals have an astonishing way to divert and talk a load crap with out even adressing the facts nor counterarguing anything.
Beyond me.
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How can Cameron be pro austerity if his governemnt has taken the British deficit to record levels and under Osborne's watch the British rating lost its triple A debt category??
What a load of balls.
NO, in Europe there are two kinds of politicians: those who have money and room for further debt increase, and those who dont.
So it is not that Brexit will trigger a finnancial crisis, thats nonesense. What is at risk is the capability of the EU to FUND itself if slightly net contributors are gone.
@19
May 29th, 2015 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see we're dealing with your usual EekANumber! approach to statistics. In fact, you can find a truer picture here :
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu_make_uk_law-29587
“Simply counting laws does not consider that some laws have more impact than others. Quoted figures vary wildly from under 10% to 70%.It’s possible to justify any measure between about 15% to 50% depending on which definition of ‘UK law’ you look at.”
What you're also missing is that EU law is enacted by some combination of the Council of Ministers and the European Parliament, depending on the area in question. The Council of Ministers consist of Ministers appointed by national governments, and the European Parliament consists of elected representatives. It's convenient for politicians and others to blame failings on the unelected faceless bureaucrats of the Commission, but the Commission is rarely the real villain.
You also don't consider what EU law is all about. The bulk of it is about regulating the Single Market, and the purpose of all that regulation is to support a classical liberal market economy with free movement of capital and labour, an absence of internal tariff barriers, no unfair jiggery-pokery and artificial barriers to competition, and nobody being able to behave like Argentina does in Mercosur and get away with it. Much of it is purely technical stuff which would have to be passed whether the UK was in the EU or not, as both Norway and Switzerland have found.
I thought you were in favour of free market capitalism, incidentally, or are you actually just another closet Peronist? Or have you just misunderstood the need for regulation to prevent cheating?
@12 Voice
May 29th, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tks for the info ; if those are the only currently considered options, the “Better off out” and the 'Norwegian model', sounds the best. Would allow a continuation of trade, and would give the UK better control over it's home affairs. The real problem are the other, politically correct governments, that like to believe all countries are the same and can be treated as such, not to mention their 'need' to let any / all immigrants in to Europe, who then search for the country that can set them up nicely for the rest of their lives while they sponge of the taxpayers. As far as I'm concerned, that's got to stop.
Conqueror @17 explains it pretty well.
Independent facts, my arse, that site's home consists of all PRO EUROPEAN PRO IMIGRATION headlines.
May 29th, 2015 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its all blah blah bla and then all concludes 53% of British laws a Brussels made???!!! LOL!
And the reviews all follow the same pattern; generalization and further generalization and no clear conclusion. Gosh you guys are a buch of idiots. Its just amazing.
HAMAS.....Its very easy real FREE TRADE DEALS and succesful TRADE BLOCKS [wich EU is not] outside the EU; say NAFTA, ASEAN, PACIFIC ALLIANCE, growth hubs in the world NONE of them have unelected bodies making domestic laws and regulations and imposing them on sovereign states.
Name one North American, Pacific or Asian Central Bank of the block ??
Name one single currency ??
It doesnt exist. The EU is actually an old cold war French Project to intertwine the nation with West Germany in order to avoid another clash over the continent in the future, and since the 1990s, Germany simply has outsmarted and “outGermaned” France to the point that they are the heart and engine of the European economy and France's ability to lead politically the Union has almost vanquished since they dont have the money left.
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May 29th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because a site doesn't coincide with your preconceptions, doesn't mean its not independent. You have to take into account the quality of its analysis. And this one has comprehensively debunked your scare mongering. And it didn't conclude that 54% of British laws are Brussels made, it concluded that depending on what definition you choose anywhere between 15% and 50% of British legal instruments are influenced by the EU, but the number is basically meaningless unless you examine the actual content. That's a but subtle for you, I know, but that's the way of it.
The EU is similar to NAFTA, ASENA, PA in at least one respect, in that it doesn't have unelected bodies making domestic laws and regulations and imposing them on sovereign states either. There is not one single EU “law” that has been imposed on anybody without the participation and consent of elected representatives. Or name one if you can. None of these Blocs have either the scope, ambition, or maturtity of the EU, in particular they haven't fully addressed the essential aspects of free movement of capital, goods, and labour. You can't do that without institutions to manage it. It's interesting to note though that they are all evolving regulatory and dispute resolution mechanisms which will ultimately lead them down the same road.
You're not wrong, on the other hand, about the origins of the EU, but those were the concerns of 70 years ago and they are long since resolved. I'm quite glad in that respect that nobody gets handed a tin hat these days and sent off to fight the Germans. The issue today, on the other hand, is what's the best way to compete with the US and/or China and /or other emerging economic blocs without losing living standards. You can make an argument that being small and nimble is a better way of doing that than joining forces with your peers, but that's not the one you're making.
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May 29th, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No nutter, I will rather stay with the nice pdf BUSINESS FOR BRITAIN says that determined with much better presition and detail were the laws are coming from in boxes and graphs..
Your own piece of crap says quote
”Sometimes a figure of 70% is used — including in February 2014 by Viviane Reding, the Vice-President of the European Commission — but this is actually the percentage of EU laws that the European Parliament (elected representatives of each EU country) and the European Council (representatives of the governments of each EU country) have had an equal say on.”
Well that's the problem... They are actually unelected.
Do you happen to know these names, Barbara Matera, Angela Sozio, Eleonora Gaggioli...?? No, I don’t think you have ever dated them. They are Italian vp whores handpicked by Berlusconi and set into the Euro Parliament.
The daughter of the Argentine defense Minister was a candidate for the Euro parliament.
Now how it that these people were is determine and legislate laws and regulations for a taxi driver in Dublin, a dairy farmer in Brittany or a unemployed single mother in Madrid??
It’s a load of bullshit. The obvious reality is that local and national parliaments and congress have a direct say in the laws they make than a couple of envoys in Brussels.
And about free trade. Of course, it’s very easy EU is not about free trade at all. It works in the equivalent way that minimum wages work. In fact its the reason why Germany is such a succesful economy and wiping the floor with you lot.
By enforcing piles of pdf paper towers of laws and regulations upon businesses across Europe you are effectively killing all the small guys and making their cost go so high they can’t compete with the Germans.
Yeah the Germans have excellent quality goods, but if you prevent Italian or Greek producers to produce stuff at lesser qualities and cheaper which is the only free mark tool they have to compete, then you are giving them a death sentence.
@24
May 30th, 2015 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0it's entirely up to you if prefer pretty boxes and graphs over bogus content, be my guest.
Thanks also for contradicting your own argument, it saves me a bit of work. But just in case you missed it, the union of the sets of “elected representatives” and “representatives of the governments” does not include any of the proverbial faceless bureaucrats. And of course the issues which the Council of Ministers keeps back for the representatives of governments is the serious, delicate, big stuff such as Justice, where sovereignity really does come into play.
But now that I think of it, you have indeed raised an important point. There must certainly have been cases where unelected national representatives have voted on EU matters at the Council of Ministers. These would be British Members of that uniquely undemocratic institution, the House of Lords. Isn't it amazing that the French, Germans, et al would allow unelected Brits to influence matters in their own countries?
That Burlesquoni's a character, though, isn't he? Even so, he never had the power to put anybody in the European Parliament, only to select candidates for his own political party. Of the 4, only Matera actually got elected, and she is apparently doing a reasonably decent job. She doesn't fit any definition of a “whore” I would recognise, but I don't share your issues with women, sex, and misogyny, so I won't comment further.
Otherrwise, I don't quite see how the little guys would be better empowered to compete with the Germans if they had 28 different sets of regulations to contend with, rather than one, or how the kind of Peronist autarky you seem to be implying instead would be any better. Are you really a closet Peronist after all?
Regarding your @8, did you see what EekItsAngela! said to Cameron yesterday? Pretty much what everybody knew already, apart from yourself.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32942086
Pretty soon, we'll be seeing Cameron leading a “Yes” campaign.
Thanks also for contradicting your own argument, it saves me a bit of work. But just in case you missed it, the union of the sets of “elected representatives” and “representatives of the governments” does not include any of the proverbial faceless bureaucrats. And of course the issues which the Council of Ministers keeps back for the representatives of governments is the serious, delicate, big stuff such as Justice, where sovereignity really does come into play.
May 30th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the mandate of who, you idiot???
Who gave the mandate of Italian “lovers” ( yes, hookers) of Berlusconi over legislating laws and regulations for a dairy farmer in France other than that of Berlusconi and his idiotic Italian voters???
That is the thing you are not adressing and accepting.
Your own site is wrong as the EU regulations are transposed into national law without passing through Parliament autmatically, So you are actually overinflating the laws National congress have in Europe and diminishing artificially the laws past by Brussels.
“Otherrwise, I don't quite see how the little guys would be better empowered to compete with the Germans if they had 28 different sets of regulations to contend with, rather than one, or how the kind of Peronist autarky you seem to be implying instead would be any better. Are you really a closet Peronist after all?”
Because you dont believe in free trade, you dont believe in freedom nor in national state hood... and you are accuse me of being a closet peronist??? . There is over 190 countries in the world you europhile arsehole countries trade with each other ever more and there is no common regulation nor laws set upon them all. We already have the WTO, that its why its there for, to set things fair.
But not imposing one single standard for every economy. Its insane.
Yes I said Cameron is A EUROPHILE way back, what part of that dont you understand ???
> By the mandate of who, you idiot???
May 30th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the mandate given to the government by the majority who voted for it. It's called parliamentary democracy. You might also recall the UK has already had one referendum on membership, and there have been loads more throughout the Union depending on national political cultures.
> Who gave the mandate of Italian “lovers” ( yes, hookers) of Berlusconi over
> legislating laws and regulations for a dairy farmer in France other than that
> of Berlusconi and his idiotic Italian voters???
That's also easy. The voters of France gave that mandate to the government(s) that agreed to codecide matters with Italy and the other members.
> So you are actually overinflating the laws National congress have in Europe and diminishing artificially the laws past by Brussels.
No I'm not. You're over-inflating things by claiming that e.g an EU regulation on lawn mower noise has the same weight as a national law on e.g taxation. No it doesn't.
> And you are accuse me of being a closet peronist???
I'm just accusing you of being inconsistent. You're pushing typically Peronist conceptions of autarky and sovereignity while claiming to be a free marketer. But mostly you'e missing the point. What the EU has done is to take 28 countries who have spent most of recorded history fighting with each other, and made out of that an economic zone with free movement of labour, capital, goods and services, without internal tariffs, protectionism, or artificial barriers to competition, with social standards that are for the most part the best in the world, and both a coordination mechanism that works (creaky and overly bureaucratic though it may be), and a dispute resolution mechanism that is adhered to by all, with the whole edifice cohesive enough that the US, China and all the rest have to sit up and pay attention to it. It's certainly not perfect, but it's a tremendous achievement.
Otherwise, it's not Cameron you were wrong about, it's Merkel.
Some say that the Lisbon treaty effectively took our basic sovereignty away from us, and thus is the reason that foreign affairs and defence was never mentioned throughout the referendum,
May 30th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so they say, ==is it true.
Again Hamas
May 31st, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who gave the mandate of Italian “lovers” ( yes, hookers) of Berlusconi over legislating laws and regulations for a dairy farmer in France other than that of Berlusconi and his idiotic Italian voters???...
No France, nor Ireland nor nobody else ever gave them their mandate for the politicians to deliver those powers to hookers in Brussels.
Only a vote was emplaced over free trade market in the 1970s.
France voted a categorical “no” to a EU constitution 10 years ago. Why have they not being offered a referendum on the membership of the EU all together???
That the EU has prevented wars??? You are a fool. Are you also planning in running for Miss Universe???
State to State wars are no longer anywhere outside the Muslim world. Democracies dont go to war with each other and conventional fire power alone with out considering nuclear has made wars simply too costly and to damaging for States. It has nothing to do with the EU, this has being a pattern in most of the world since WWII ended.
The EU is not about free trade, as I have explained you with a proper FREE MARKET principle why it is not. You just keep on looking aside on this and keep on the blah blah empty speeches.
Standardized laws, currencies and regulations work like the minimum wage but on country to country level. There is nothing to do with free markets.
Germany is not allowing countries to develop their own competitive & comparative advantages that believers in free global trade understand.
You are the peronist. You dont believe in FREE TRADE AT ALL. You believe in myths and lies that have little to do with reality and dont regard FACTS at all.
UK risks following Nazi example on human rights, UN expert claims
May 31st, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0François Crépeau provokes outrage after likening Conservatives' threat to quit European Convention on Human Rights to repression in 1930s Germany
Mucking disgusting and an insult , not only to those that died, but an insult to EVERY British citizen,
Eye hope all you PRO EU voters are listening,
The doctorial EU will never let us go un less we vote for it, they will use every disgusting dirty trick in the book to chain Britain the EU by condemning all of us that wants to leave,
All the government wants is to replace the Dreaded ECHR with a British bill of rights,
So decisions will be taken by the British courts and not the European courts,
Is that so wrong to understand,
This ECHR and the EU Referendum will destroy our way of life to the demands of compleat unelected corrupt nutters on the gravy train to Euroland.
Just saying like..
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@29
May 31st, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already answered your first question in @27 and your rant about war in @23 (Thanks incidentally for agreeing with me on that)
Otherwise, one of us seems to be having some basic conceptual difficulties. Would you mind explaining how it is that free movement of capital, labour, goods, and services, elimination of tariff barriers, state subsidies, and barriers to competition don't make a free market, whereas protective measures against Germany apparently would?
I'm also a little confused that you cite a French referendum, so it would appear, as part of a complaint that the French can't have referendums. Que? In fact, referendums are a matter for national constitutions and legislatures, and anybody whose constitution recognises them can have a referendum whenever they like, on whatever topic they like. That's how come there have been loads of them on various aspects all across the EU, and the UK, for example, is now on its second whether to stay in or get out. In this respect, as it happens, it's handy that the Lisbon Treaty has already formalised the right to leave the EU, and laid down the procedure for doing so, although this is rather a strange way for a dictatorial superstate to be behaving, I would have thought. But perhaps you can cite a case of popular demand for a referendum being ignored, either at national level, or by the orc armies of faceless bureaucrats in Brussels (or elsewhere)?
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Jun 01st, 2015 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ohh stop running around in circles, its boring and pathetic.
No, you have not aswered who ever gave the Euparlamentarians the mandate over the nationhoods.
Not one single time.
Its a very straight foward answer.
That the French had that idea in the 1950s doesnt mean to say they were correct about war in any case about the future would look like, Duh.... yes you do have real cognitive problems!!!
Yes bufoon, the French have never openly voted on becoming a continental superstate and transfer legislative power to Brussels.
Hence Brussels has no mandate by the people of France to legislate over them.. Its very very easy you stupid cunt
“Would you mind explaining how it is that free movement of capital, labour, goods, and services, elimination of tariff barriers, state subsidies, and barriers to competition don't make a free market”
Actually it does make a free market, for example NAFTA, ASEAN & PA are good and succesful examples of this.
Never, ever do these blocks they have standarized laws and regulations set by one single unelected State organ wich happens to be the case of the EU.
@32
Jun 01st, 2015 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't answer the question, huh? Never mind, we've already demonstrated clearly enough that you don't quite grasp the basic elements of free markets or representative democracy, while the arguments you're putting forward actually undermine the mythology you've bought into. That's pretty much par for the course, it must be about time for you to declare you've won.
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Jun 01st, 2015 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is their anything more disgusting than a leftwing anti-Israel, Islamophile, Europhile, liberal, citybureaucrat like yourself??
Fuck Hamas! How filthy and disgusting I find you
@34
Jun 01st, 2015 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks. The pleasure's all mine.
Very hard and serious accusations to make,
Jun 01st, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But make them, one must
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Consider the meeting between the president [unelected] and his subordinate, Mr Cameron last week,
We don’t know what they spoke abt, but presumably it was secret, private, and him fighting our corner.
After the meeting, David gives no indication of anything other than fighting our corner,
They either give us what we want or we walk,
Giving the rightful impression that he is indeed fighting for us,
And this impression, I believe is what we the British people believe he is doing, and rightly so,
Then today in the
Times, this president overlord stated the following,
Britain will not vote to leave EU, says Juncker
European Commission president claims Brexit “not desired by British” and David Cameron is using referendum to tie Britain to Europe permanently
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11643101/Britain-will-not-vote-to-leave-EU-says-Juncker.html
Now either David was lying, and he is indeed giving us away, and the boss man was correct, or David is truly fighting for us, and this president is lying,
Yet no government official has condemned the article,
So-is this man fighting our corner, or committing treason and selling us down the drain,
Or the president is deliberately and maliciously stirring up the British people,
perhaps just ones imagination running wild..
Just a thought.
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