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“No one can teach us how to make the economy grow”, blasts Cristina Fernandez
In a speech broadcasted live on Argentine national television and radio, President Cristina Fernández used most of the time to praise her government’s achievements insisting no one “can give us lessons on how to make the economy grow” and highlighting the role of the State. Read full article
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Jun 04th, 2015 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0...May I politely suggest the acting Governor Sandra Tyler-Haywood and the FIG government already have...
I thought President Bachelet had an audience with the Pope on Friday before heading to Milan. Are they going to be queuing outside the Bishop of Rome's door together?
Jun 04th, 2015 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think so. They don't really care for each other very much, to put it lightly.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're more worried that the generous Papa Francisco may offer to assist in mediating our territorial dispute with Bolivia.
Hey Chicureo, you are some kind of second-class citizens or even slave there in the islands?
Jun 04th, 2015 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will complain to the Queen. Europeans are exploiting and enslaving Americans. This is prohibited!
@4 Oh, please complain to The Queen. They read out letters from nutters at the staff Christmas party.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to remember that Brazil historically is emblematic for its horrific crimes of slavery upon millions and this legacy continues under the thinly veiled disguise known as the “Worker's Party” led by socialists that line their pockets with billions of state revenues that are desperately needed for the descendants of the slaves that are only free in name, but continue to live in misery.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do not talk about what you do not know. The Labour government rescued millions of afro-Brazilians of poverty. The Labour government took away Brazil's UN Hunger Map.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you wanted that Brazil still had slaves and extreme poverty as the PSDB times (ally of the USA).
“No one can teach us how to make the economy grow”, blasts Cristina Fernandez
Jun 04th, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0very very true,
then again, you can drag a horse to water, but you cant force it to drink,
perhaps one should stop trying to teach others..
“No one can teach us how to make the economy grow”
Jun 04th, 2015 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never a truer word has been spoken by an Argentine president.
Argentina wouldn't be such a broken and broke place if it was able to learn lessons.
#7 Brazilsocialist
Jun 04th, 2015 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The altruistic Labour government you adore has denied millions of afro-Brazilians living currently in complete poverty from receiving basic social services, food assistance and basic medical care because the Worker's Party politicians have stolen billions of state funds.
Petrobras is only the tip of the iceberg...
The Labour government has kept millions of Brazil's poor on the UN Hunger Map, despite being one of the world's major food exporters! (Use the basic math: there are over 200 million living in you country with over 20% living in extreme poverty.)
It's the year 2015 and Brazil still has slaves and extreme poverty. By the way, native inhabitants in the Amazon are still being systematically slaughtered. (I assume that's still the fault also of the PSDB.)
@ 10
Jun 04th, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Except for corruption, everything you said is wrong. Labor are the ones who want transparency and punishment of the corrupt. We must root out this evil from my country.
The Labour government was the only one to fight corruption. Although sensationalist media Globe and April have done everything to destroy the PT before the investigations advance by states and municipalities of the Federation.
It opens a new door to investigations into FIFA. Maybe now we get to open the black box of the Globo.
Regarding Editora Abril she is almost bankrupt and soon to Veja magazine will go to hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwzU2F5EB-M&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=1
Ahh, We're not in Map of Hunger since 2013.
#11 Brazilboy
Jun 04th, 2015 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm just referring to current 2014 UN and UNICEF published statistics. I suggest you Google the following subjects: Brazil child malnutrition rate, Brazil extreme poverty, Modern Brazil slavery, Brazil child slavery, extermination of natives in the Amazon... Then you can tell me about how well both Lula and Dilma have done to help the poor.
Socialist Worker's Party corrupt politicians, is beset by rampant rural poverty and limited job opportunities to the desperate poor that believe in the Socialist lies.
According to UNICEF, only Haiti and Nicaragua have worse statistics regarding child hunger, despite your country being one of the largest food exporters in the world.
@11. 'Ahh, We're not in Map of Hunger since 2013'. September 2014 actually.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/09/16/world/americas/ap-lt-brazil-un-hunger.html?_r=0
@ 11
Jun 04th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show your link. Because my link is this.
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world%20hunger%20facts%202002.htm
@8 Briton
Jun 04th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““No one can teach us how to make the economy grow”, blasts Cristina Fernandez
very very true,
then again, you can drag a horse to water, but you cant make it drink”
or in the case of Cristina,
“You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think”!
I'm awaiting Enrique Massot post. He is the “official speech” in this site.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina praises the Argentine wine industry - at least those who manage to stay in business, after finding it more and more difficult to survive with all the restrictions her administration has placed on them.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here it is, PGerman:
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina uses nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, not to build nuclear weapons.”
None so far has deigned comment on this quote of Cristina, but I thought some countries should take example of it.
hahahaha
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good Morning Enrique.
@Enrique Massot Thatcher should have nuked the Argies in 82 would have stopped the crying and winging once and for all
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 ” We are interested in defending human life, in defending peace.” Why do Argentines celebrate invading the Falkland Islands every year? That was an aggressive act of war.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like this?
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hczYsZx4HuA
#14 Brazilboy
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your link clearly shows that there is definitely far more hunger in sub Saharan and central Africa. Congratulations!
As you request a link, I suggest you visit your own Brazilian government at: http://www.brasil.gov.br
A though your socialist ruled country does not publish “hunger” statistics, they do about poverty: Brazil's official population roughly is: 203,000,000 with official Brazilian data showing that the population living below the poverty line: 21.4% and 4.2% of the population being below the “extreme” poverty line. If you assume that at least 4.2% of the population is malnourished, that is roughly over 850,000 alone. However, if you look up the UN definition of hunger, you'll learn it's the sensation of going to bed with hunger each night. Which clearly millions of Brazilians suffer, especially in the Northeast.
Please ask your president Dilma to explain how such a bountiful food producing country like Brazil still has people suffering from hunger. I've conveniently added the official link to contact her office directly: http://www.brasil.gov.br
Oh, by the way, you might also ask how she sleeps at night, when she allows her corrupt Worker's Party members to plunder state funds originally destined for social services, public health and education. Take an example: According to the IBGE, (Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics) the current literacy rate of the population of Brazil is 90.4%, meaning that 13 million (9.6% of population) people are still illiterate in the country; functional illiteracy has reached 21.6% of the population. Illiteracy is highest in the Northeast, where 19.9% of the population is illiterate. (By the way, the UN statistics show only 86.2%, not 90.4%)
It must really piss off CFK to have a group of tiny islands off her coast where in spite of a barren landscape the inhabitants income is three times better than Argentina. She rages, threatens and stamps her feet but everyone else justs laughs at her ridiculous and melodramatic posturing. Supported from afar by muppets like Enrique, Think (now retired in disgrace) and various other second rate trolls it makes no difference whatsover.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The lost generation of the PSDB (allies of the USA). 99.3% of Northeastern illiterates has more than 50 years.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know you're hopeless. Blame it on the gringos and a party that was in power 13 years ago. You're a clear example of underfunded and sub-standard socialist state education. Your beloved Partido dos Trabalhadores, has been in power running Brazil for the past 12 years and yet you blame the lack of funding of schools in the Northeast due to the PSDB party. Lula and Dilma are thieves and you are a fool.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UNESCO statistics clearly show that Brazil has clearly neglected public education, with it barely ranking above only Bolivia in South America. Here another link to study: http://en.unesco.org/gem-report/sites/gem-report/files/laamcari.pdf
I'm pretty sure when the dust settles and the IMF is able to audit Arg books they'll find there was little to no growth in this “won decade” and the Ks did nothing more than steal from every entity that has U$ and flood the market with it.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What they did was easy.
The hard part is recovering from it when they've used the last of the stolen loot.
That's happening now.
No one listens to Elvis?
Jun 04th, 2015 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For review:
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Anyone that takes any statement from a representative of rotting roadkillian interests at face value should be committed for observation.
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When (if) the current set of thieves leave power the next group will have to audit YPF, ANSES, BCRA, ETC - to see if anything actually ever did exist.
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rotting roadkill has defaulted on the repayment of its so called sovereign debt eight (8) times since 1839.
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rotting roadkill is #1 with 73%!
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/hotels/11646110/Revealed-the-nationality-most-likely-to-steal-from-hotels.html
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rotting roadkill is #107 with a 34 score!
www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
My Portugal forever. My love. My dream.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUd-_WkFd7I&index=69&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
THE TRUE DEBATE THAT WE ALL NEED.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While many people continue to waste their time, reading what all those polls say, in relation to the C. F. K's government and to the imagen of the different pre candidats, we still don't hear what they think about the role of the state, most them just say that they want to keep what was done right by C. F. K's administration, however, when we listen to their economic advicers, they say that it's necesary to make a hard cut on our national budget, but those cretins never say what they would cut, and what would be the role of the state in the application of those cuts.
C. F. K's government has made cuts since 2008, for the transportation sistem, and for energy, however her adminstration continued to promote raises in the salaries of workers, tha's why we could mitigate most the negative consecuences of those decisions.
Many people, who have a too short mind, criticise hardly the fiscal deficit that we have, however they don't see that in the actual pathetic international scenario, where Brasil , which is our main trade partner is on ressession since more than one year ago, which is something that prejudices so much our trade, and in a world where most developed nations, especially in Europe, are going through ressession, or have too mediocre growths, the state must by more present than ever.
Although i don't like the fact that we have deficit, i can't ignore that in such a deplorable international context, if the state didn't have a strong presence, we would have a high unemployment level, ilke in the 90's.
Beyond the politic afinity that anybody can have, WE ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT WILL BE THE ROLE OF THE STATE SINCE DICEMBER 1OTH OF THIS YEAR. I don't want to hear in the future people saying that when C. F. K. ruled the country, workers were in a better situation.
Speaking of Argentina's international trading partners:
Jun 04th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://globalconnections.hsbc.com/global/en/tools-data/trade-forecasts/ar
If Argentina really wants to improve living conditions and social welfare for its citizens, the future government is going to need and eliminate the rampant corruption and unlawfulness. Only idiots once like Venezulea and loan sharks like China are loaning Argentina money.
@31
Jun 04th, 2015 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that you, as Enrique Massot, won't answer my posts following the traditional peronist attitude towards those who think differently.
It is not a secret at all that one of the most important mistakes of CFK is the big budget deficit to cover the lack of genuine private investments This situation will have to be corrected in the short term. A clear consequence of it is that the monetary base had to be increased at a rate of 24/25% yearly durign the last four years fueling the inflation up to 30/35%.
There are lots of ways the government wastes people's money in shallow things that could be cut without affecting regular people and favoring poor people. Take for instance:
Aerolineas Argentinas wastes a rate of U$D 2 million per day in flights that only mid class or rich people use.
Almost AR$ 1.200 million are wasted yearly in the corruption of Futbol Para Todos.
The new trains were bought in a direct hire without any sourcing process so we don't know which would be the best technical or economic option. On top of everything these trains can perfectly well be built in Argentina.
Thousands of new public employes were hired with good salaries in public repartitions or companies without being needed. Take for instance that FMdeA has more than 2.000 employees but it had not build a plane in the last 8 years.
There is also a “festival ” of subsidies to those who doesn't need them such as alleged political refugees, etc.
Using the current recesion of Brazil as the explanation of the argentine crisis is false and part of a list of excuses that CFK regularly refers to. She likes to mention a “collapsing World” while in fact it is Argentina the one that keeps on with its decadence. Independent statistics proves that.
Axel it still doesn't work when the state keeps employing 1000's of more workers.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes it harder on me the taxpayer who has to pay the bill.
#32 pgerman
Jun 04th, 2015 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you're a bit mistaken as I'm certainly not a Peronist, but a charter member of the Renovación Nacional party and consider myself a liberal conservative.
The only thing I disagree with your post is that “...trains can perfectly well be built in Argentina” (just look how long and how expensive it's been for them to repair their icebreaker vessel...)
@34
Jun 04th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, my post was refering to post 30
What you mentioned could be right, or not, but it has never been evaluated seriously. Alstom, Canadian Bombardier are examples of manufacturers that could have taken part in a regular sourcing bid. Materferr is a local manufacturer that should have been considered for mass production of trains. They are currently manufacturing small quantities of “sample” trains but without any important contract.
In addtion, ralis have always been (in past decades) manufatured in Somisa but they went directly to chinese suppliers without asking a single quotation locally.
rotting roadkill should cut taxes for the poor and increase their benefits; raise taxes on the rich and require greater capital investment; increase wages and demand greater employment; obtain foreign investment and limit expatriation of profits; borrow money at minimal rates and reduce public debt; export commodities at higher prices and import input materials at lower costs; shorten the work week and increase production; deregulate media and eleminate subversion; liberate the Falkland Islands from the colonialist and give the Islanders the right to self determination; develop nuclear arms and ensure LatAm political stability; . . .
Jun 04th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For review:
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Anyone that takes any statement from a representative of rotting roadkillian interests at face value should be committed for observation.
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When (if) the current set of thieves leave power the next group will have to audit YPF, ANSES, BCRA, ETC - to see if anything actually ever did exist.
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rotting roadkill has defaulted on the repayment of its so called sovereign debt eight (8) times since 1839.
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rotting roadkill is #1 with 73%!
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/hotels/11646110/Revealed-the-nationality-most-likely-to-steal-from-hotels.html
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rotting roadkill is #107 with a 34 score!
www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
Mendoza is in the NORTHWEST?
Jun 04th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is however a telling sign of what the rest of this article's proofreading may be like.
#35 pgerman
Jun 04th, 2015 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I totally agree that Materfer should be expanded and begin manufacturing of railway equipment as it did in the 1980s, when it had 2,000 employees.
The company was one more victim of the politics of the Menemato, going into bankruptcy in 1998.
It was purchased in 2002 by Argentine businessman Sergio Tasselli and restarted, steadily growing from 5 employees to 550 today.
In spite of its smaller size, the company has diversified, producing road and railway public transportation equipment as well as road construction and agricultural machinery.
Although I am not privy of the details, the purchases to the Chinese may have been a condition of their financing. However, you are right: the country should keep growing its heavy industry capacity.
no one “can give us lessons on how to make the economy grow”
Jun 04th, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely correct. It's impossible to make them understand.
@38
Jun 04th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know how you grow “heavy industry capacity”, f--- go to school!
Have good teachers and good schools!
Argentines might be almost perfect, but the one area they just don't get is that you can't just say “you want industry”, “you want high-tech”, and then not have people that can create those posts. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, and the others used protectionism in order to give their countries time to educate and catch up. Argentina uses protectionism to protect jobs. The former works long term, the latter does not.
Go tell everyone you know to learn 300 new words a month, and two or three languages for a start. Just to get into the habit of learning. Then go and take math up to EDH (Ecuacion diferencial Homogeneas)... tell the lousy young people to stop complaining when they don't even read one book a year (Argentina dead last in the Western Hemisphere).
@38
Jun 04th, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comments regarding the former peronist pesident and current offical senator are accurate. You forget to mention that CFK and Nestor K were both passionate defenders of Menem policies. Their position in favor of the privatization of YPF and supporting Domingo Cavallo can be found in youtube.
In addtion, following the trend they took Santa Cruz province funds (around U$D 400 million) but they never returned them.
Materfer was destroyed and the current goverment did nothing to leverage it.
I would love to be abel to see a sourcing process between the potential offers of trains manufacturers including the financial conditions. It won't be possible. Peronists always prefer “direct contracts”....they love to buy with public funds.
@41 You are right that education is poor in Argentina and need major investment. A poorly educated population will hold back any country.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you planning to do with your education?
A bit like FIFA then, bribes and more bribes. I hope that the Peronistas or Kirchnerites get back in power and then we will see what they say about the economy. They are “ kicking the can down the road ” I can't see anyone wanting to govern Argentina after this lot. Could be the same as the Labour government leaving a note saying “ there is no money left ”
Jun 04th, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have always accused TMBOA of NEVER speaking the truth, knowing that one day the truth will manage to slip out of that cavern of a mouth that she has and today's the day!
Jun 04th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““No one can teach us how to make the economy grow”, ”
I stand humbly corrected: she can speak the truth for once.
42. Memorizing vocabulary isn't an education. I rather hire someone who can critically think.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the DC zoo they teach orangutans words and they can put sentances together. http://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/thinktank/
Its doesn't take much brain power to learn vocabulary
And tell us TMBOA how many exchange rates are there in Argentina? FOUR or more? Why is there so many exchange rates I have yet to have an Argie explain them.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#45 YB
Jun 04th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Argentines had better start working on their Mandarin vocabulary to understand what their new Chinese will want them to do...
Time to tell TMBOA that since 1970 Argentina has dropped 13 zeros off their currency. Wow!!!
Jun 04th, 2015 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#41 pgerman
Jun 04th, 2015 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you have decided to oppose the Kirchner government, by all means go for it. After all, Argentina today lives in democracy.
However, if you are looking at convincing others about “how bad the Kirchners are,” you need to do a bit better than that. The opposition may have a tough time convincing electors the Kirchners are bad because of what they did during the Menem administration or even in more remote times.
I, and I suspect most people will tend to look at what the Kirchners did while they held the top role in the country.
Cristina's law degree trick, for example, will play as Obama's birth certificate did: pure smoke, no substance.
@49 Why do constantly refer back to Menem and completely disregard Nestor Kirchner as not relevant for discussion?
Jun 04th, 2015 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one has to convince the voters about CFK. You won't know this as you don't live there but the people of Argentina are well aware of her failings. They have to live it every day.
Why grow rotting roadkill's economy?
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How does rotting roadkill stack up internationally in the international morality indexes?
#104 with a score of 3.8!
www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf
#1 with a score of 5393
www.dbresearch.com/servlet/reweb2.ReWEB?rwnode=DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD$NAVIGATION&rwobj=CDS.calias&rwsite=DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD
#54 with a score of .52!
worldjusticeproject.org/rule-law-around-world
#1 with 73%!
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/hotels/11646110/Revealed-the-nationality-most-likely-to-steal-from-hotels.html
#107 with a 34 score!
www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
CLARIFICATION
Jun 04th, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An individual posting in this forum under the identity of Enrique Massot apparently due to a disagreement of opinion with another identity Chronic which has been bringing the rest of us here to complete boredom. It is completely normal and common for the pro-Kirchner Cámpora fanatics misstate pro-Falklands posters excerpts completely out of context to purposely change their meanings. (See numerous vile examples by the Cámpora trolls in the Mercopress archives.)
Unable to cope with dissent, the said Massot poster has resorted to a form of harassment and abuse to innocent contributors that think he's being thin skinned and absolutely ridiculously acting persecuted. (Typical Argentine by the way... Sort of like we sent our our battle cruiser after attacking your territory and you sunk it...resulting in 30 years of incessant wailing...)
Below is actually the clear truth about his countrymen in an accurate context:
32 Conqueror - May 18th, 2015 - 03:03 pm
@26. “…Argies lie as a matter of course. You do it yourself....” (Accurate by the way.)
33 Enrique Massot May 18th, 2015 - 04:02 pm
RESPONSE: “I am totally humbled by such a thoughtful statement. Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars. We should realize that, become a protectorate and name Conqueror as Minister of Truth. Finally, all will be solved.” (Really Enrique, about the most accurate thing you can say about your countrymen and Conqueror would bring more truth to your government.)
I apologize to readers and other posters for the inconvenience. Please understand that for as long as this Massot individual is keeps boring us to tears, I will need to follow up with necessary clarifications.
@49
Jun 04th, 2015 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, I have always disliked peronism simply because it is fascism. It evolved from pure, and basic, fascism to a conservative populism with fascist attitudes.
Secondly, I'm sorry if I ofended you with my writings refreshing you about the recent past of peronism, Menem, CFK and Nestor but I have not invented anything. It's just reality.
Thirdly, the level of democracy in Argentina is quite low compared to any given true democracy in Fisrt World countries. She force every public repartition to be directly under her orders (AFIP, ANSES, BCRA, INDEC, AFSA, ATC, etc) So we can say “I am the state”.
Finally, don't forget that Mussolini, Hitler or Peron were all of them quite popular and reached the government after being voted by the majority of thier own people.
The current regime is a disaster based on what they did or what they should have been done.
There is a good article in the Bubblear regarding what may happen post December:
Jun 04th, 2015 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bubblear.com/argentina-in-the-post-kirchner-era-there-is-hope/
There is no speculation yet where Cristina will eventually end up in retirement. My bet is she'll be incarcerated in the medium security prison south of Buenos Aires, but the odds are she'll end up being extradited to the Netherlands to face the World Court...
@54 I enjoy Bubblear and another good article. It is hard to argue with the points raised and intimidation is why a lot of people keep their dissension on the lowdown. If Enrique actually spent time there he would realise he is being fed a pack of lies.
Jun 04th, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't see CFK ever seeing the inside of a prison cell. When the truth comes out and people want revenge she will flee. All that money she laundered from government institutions through her 'hotels' will buy her some time in an Ecuadorian Embassy.
The only thing to grow in Argyland in the last few years… .
Jun 04th, 2015 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/39957/0x0/pino.jpg
#55 Elaine
Jun 04th, 2015 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You could be very correct, but I have the feeling she'll retire back to her hotel compound and live in retirement with no problems. She knows where too many of the bodies are buried. Her next project is to promote her worthless son Maximo as an upcoming politician.
She's already made her national homage to her husband with the outrageously expensive cultural center in BA. She's probably lobbying with the Holy Father right now for Nestor to be beatified.
You know Menem was/still is a crook, but he's a likable one. Cristina is abrasive and has upset a lot of people.
Cretina will definitely be limited as to where and how she can travel post immunity.
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How does rotting roadkill stack up in the international morality indexes?
#104 with a score of 3.8!
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf
#1 with a score of 5393!
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf
#54 with a score of .52!
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf
#1 with 73%!
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf
#107 with a 34 score!
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf
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Reeeekie writes: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf
the level of mind of this people: 4 years ...
Jun 04th, 2015 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I got tired ... goodbye ...
#59 Julieta
Jun 04th, 2015 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, it is late for your bed time. I hope you remembered to drink your warm milk, say your prayers and hug your teddy bear goodnight.
I understand the anguish of those living in Malvinas--about 2,000 people or so--close to a big neighbour who wants to take possession of the islands.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0They know a large part of the world's community supports Argentina's position.
They perceive CFK as being overly aggressive in trying to get the islands back and hope for a government that would let them off the hook.
Islanders should realize that no Argentine government will--ever--stop claiming the Malvinas. It's just impossible for any Argentine politician to do that.
Perhaps abundant anti-CFK hate posting in MP may create an illusion of having some muscle, but reality is, this is a small group preaching to one another, all converts already including a Yankee, some British and a Pinochetist. No ideas, no discussion. Just flat out denial and rage. Not a good way of being on top of what's going on.
Too bad.
#61 You again have been sniffing too much glue.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm all for democracy, but after living a few years in the early 70's I discovered that living under Marxism was hell. Our economy by 1973 was completly ruined. Our credit rating was gone, our central bank bankrupted and unemployment as well as poverty high.
Meanwhile you thieving Argentine bastards planned stealing large parts of our territory.
In the end, because of this my university education was completly paid for, which was very helpful as the Allende government nearly bankrupted my family and they could not afford paying my tuition.
Enrique can understand the non-existent anguish of Falkland Islanders but is incapable of seeing the actual and real anguish of the Argentine people.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guess that is why he is incapable of leaving modern, affluent and democratic Canada. The number of Argentineans who are incapable of surviving in their own country but choose 'anglo' countries makes me laugh. Come one come all, Canada; Australia; NZ; UK guarantee that you'll never have to live under a president like CFK!
You're welcomed.
@61 You are right that each president of Argentina has to continue the Peronist mantra regarding the Falklands. All that brainwashing and effort in creating a myth is one of the cornerstones of Peronism.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you fail to understand is that the Falklands are a BOT, wish to remain so and there is absolutely nothing Argentina can do about it. Nothing has changed and nothing will change no matter how much CFK screams and stamps her feet. (She really does do that - she admitted her temper is often out-of-control).
#64 Elaine
Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someday, I hope at least, we'll read an entertaining leaked memo from the former Sec. State Clinton describing her personal opinion of CFK. Supposedly Hillary described Cristina repeatedly as being off her rocker and the Secretary could not stand her. Obama dislikes Cristina as well, along with Bachelet and Dilma. God bless ex-Presidente Pepe as he was very open about his candid assessment...
Although I'm certainly not a political supporter of my President, she represents my country very well and does not make public displays of her anger. That I admire of Bachelet. She's a woman of diplomacy.
Cristina on the other hand is a low class version of Evita, which we all know was former small time prostitute that hooked her claws to the SOB that ruined Argentina .
With 42% of the population on some kind of state benefit , which is costing
Jun 05th, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the tax payer ARG $ 120 Billion , there is no way the economy can grow .
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/nota/594917/economia/este-ano-estado-repartira-18-millones-planes-sociales.html
Peronism , the idiots ' choice .
@61. You understand nothing. How could you when your response to the state of 'your' country is to run away and exist somewhere else. How would you understand the determination of people to stay on 'their' land, in 'their' country, in 'their' homes, running 'their' lives as 'they' wish.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see how a large part of the world's community supports argieland. All we see is argie liars running around the world announcing that the last country they visited supports them. Why don't these countries speak for themselves?
Actually, they perceive CFK as being a stupid, incompetent, witch bitch. All those years in power and she still can't get the argie economy to be as good as the Falklands economy. Why is that? Something to do with how much she's creaming off?
Argieland can go on 'claiming' until the end of time. Here's the approved response. For as long as the vomit pit can do nothing, who cares? If argieland mounts what appears to be a viable invasion, by sea or air, start counting argie deaths. Remember the Belgrano? One submarine. Three torpedos. One missed. 10 troopships. Four submarines. 2o torpedos. And then, in 1982, British submarines didn't mount land attack cruise missiles. Now they do. Meanwhile, what does argieland have?
Perhaps you haven't noticed but what the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy have is 'muscle'. Your carefully crafted “No ideas, no discussion. Just flat out denial and rage. Not a good way of being on top of what's going on” is quite good. If we weren't so much more intelligent than you. Have you ever read the First Temporary Provision of your 'constitution'? Outright denial and totalitarian colonialism.
Why not go 'home' and look death in the face? Instead of hiding in Canada.
One of the many byproducts of Venezuela’s acute political and financial crisis is food truck looting, a pattern that is plaguing the country’s highways with chaos and fear.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just last week, some 200 looters swarmed into an overturned tractor-trailer carrying canned juice — men, women and children were seen taking as many boxes of juice as they could, either by foot or on motorcycles.
Comings soon to an Arg city near you!!
@68 That happens in just about any country.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try leaving a truck full of flat screen TV's in downtown Detroit and see how long it lasts.
I have never seen one person or a gang of people looting an overturned truck in the USA.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's kinda the problem with SoAms things that are commonplace there are unheard of here.
You've become resistant to the horrible tragedies you face everyday.
That's why I know it is only ever going to get worse.
The civilized world gets better and better and you all are stuck wallowing in sh*t and you don't even realize it.
Well, if it were a truckload of single malts overturned, I would probably be in he crowd as well...
Jun 05th, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better still.
Jun 05th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one can teach you and Axel how to make the economy contract for 4 years. You are world class in that field.
@61
Jun 06th, 2015 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you've failed to acknowledge is how desultory much of the support you speak of actually is, how much of it is really about other agenda's and how much of it is simply a 21st century evolution of the centuries old rivalry between Great Britain and Spain and it's 'descendants'.
Whenever the subject is raised by countries like Russia or Iran for instance, the specifics of any claim by Argentina are never raised or examined- it's all couched in the vague terms that are the staples of nations of questionable integrity. If Argentina truly believed it had a case it would've taken their case to the institution tasked with resolving precisely such disputes - the ICJ. If it's good enough for Chile & Bolivia...
@61
Jun 06th, 2015 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anguish is non-existent in islands and prevalent only in Argentina, where it's a wound that is almost entirely self-inflicted.
It's quite an achievement, in fact, for the Peronists to have engineered through a truly bizarre combination of machismo, masochismo, indoctrination and ineptitude a grievance that can never be renounced, or resolved in Argentina's favour.
Indeed, it's highly debatable that even the present government, despite it's rhetoric, expects or even wants any movement on the issue at all. No serious country genuinely in pursuit of “dialogue” or “negotiation” would appoint as Ambassador Alicia Castro, for example, when her mission is clearly to get up the gringo's nose at every conceivable opportunity, for the benefit of those in the domestic audience who respond to that kind of thing.
And it should be blindingly obvious to anybody with even the meanest understanding of international politics that Argentina is light years away from applying the kind of pressure that would be necessary to persuade any British government to commit political suicide by acceding to its demands after a war. Virtually nobody but yourselves gives a hoot you came second in a minor colonial skirmish two centuries ago, and on the rare occasions that they do, it's for their own reasons rather than yours.
And so all that remains is some minor inconvenience for the islanders, some minor expenditure for the Brits, and endless frustration for the true believers in the cause, looking the other way while your pockets get picked. Growing up would be a much better strategy.
#67 Conqueror
Jun 06th, 2015 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If argieland mounts what appears to be a viable invasion, by sea or air, start counting argie deaths.”
You have a fixation on war, but no armed conflict is in the cards. The military who overtook the Malvinas were the same gang who took control of Argentina illegally. We want the islands back but not a the price of a single life.
Our claim may take time to be satisfied--which is OK.
@65 CFK was never meant to be President without Nestor pulling the strings. Once he died and she was off the leash the country rapidly deteriorated. She has a flawed personality and mental illness that should be restrained. She sacked everyone with any connection to her husband - the one for whom she wore widow's weeds for three years because she thought black was 'lucky' - and employed anyone who agreed with her. She has a load of useless flatterers surrounding her with no idea how to run a country. She is paranoid. You should see the heavies she takes with her everywhere she goes. So, I don't have an iota of respect for the insane woman.
Jun 06th, 2015 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your President, however, is respected.
@75 Enrique, it will NEVER happen.
@ 70 YB
Jun 06th, 2015 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I already know you do not live in Baltimore!
@77
Jun 06th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And just for the record, neither do I.
If just one person criticised my comment (30), about the role of the state, is because perhaps, most people here think i'm right.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0ELAINEB.
When i read in one of your comments some time ago that you have an interest for Argentina, i thought that perhaps you could be a serious detractor of kirchnerism, however, with the passage of time, i could see that the lectures that you do about C. F. K.'s government, aren't less mediocre than those made by many people here, in fact, you show your mediocrity every time you underestimate C.F. K and those people who agree on most her ideas, or when you say that she's a paranoid woman, who suffers of mental illness, instead of making deep critics to the serious falencies of her government.
But fortunately not all people here are mediocre like you, in fact, in a few opportunities i could read some serious critics.
On the other hand, i must recognize that you are absolutly right in one aspect, i mean what you told Massot in your comment (76), (``Enrique, it will NEVER happen). It's too obvious that Argentina won't never recover the sovereignty of the islands. Although you and most people here don't accept it, in some aspects, the U.K. still behaves like the same thief of XIX century, who deprived our country of exercising it's rights in 1833. Beside, although i won't never omit the huge responsability of my country in what happened in 1982, that fact is Britain's best excuse, to reject the negotiations with our country.
It's expectable that we will keep on listening to some hypocrites who say that only the argentine representants omit information about the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict, before the U. N., or before any other international forum. In the same way that they'll keep on repeating that the right to self determination must be respected for this case, when actualy public international right doesn't apply that principle for absolutly all people, under any circunstance. There is a lot more to say about it.
Axle
Jun 08th, 2015 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”There is a lot more to say about it.”
yet Axle waffles on... repeating the same old tune - no reasoning, no logic, no arguments...
The Falklanders are not entitled to Self Determiation under the UN Charter??
Why??
@79 What are you going on about?
Jun 08th, 2015 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You dedicate an awfully lot of of time to me if you really think I am 'mediocre'.
TWIMC
Jun 08th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Auguri da Roma...
“Before the speech, FAO Director-General José Graziano da Silva commended Mrs. Kirchner for Argentina's outstanding progress in fighting hunger.”
http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/292838/icode/
Think is happy...
@ 82 Lunatic
Jun 08th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are back! We thought you were dead, what a let down.
Yes, I had a good laugh at that article as well, unbelievable doesn't really cover it.
If that 'makes you happy' you are most certainly living up to the tag I gave you.
Don't let it be long before you bugger off again. That makes all of us 'happy'.
ELAINEB.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgat saying that you sometimes mention some of my lectures too.
Actualy there are two things that bother me so much from people like you, i mean the underestimation that you and some others do to all those citizens who support many of the kirchnerist ideas, and the too partial knowledge that you have about the causes of our problems, however some of you dare to tell us what we should do.
I don't pretend everybody here to think like me, but if some of you have an interest for the problems of our society, unless take some time to investigate seriously, instead of believing easily the too partial truths or the lies published about Argentina in the corporate press.
TROY TOMPEST.
I understand that it will always be much more politicly correct to say that the islanders have right to self determination, or that the Malvinas are argentine, instead of investigating deeply about this question, in order to see that the case has strong and weak aspects for both countries, in fact, i have mentioned them in many of my comments in mercopress, and i'll keep on doing it.
The day you decide to be serious, you'll realise that for talking about such a complicated sovereign conflict like this one, it's necesary to investigate seriously, instead of repeating the official stories of both countries.
87 Axle Aargh
Jun 09th, 2015 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You keep saying “ it must be investigated fully”, or “I've done research” and other such things... but you never have anything to show for your “research” or “investigations”, and you present no arguments - just repeat your own opinions, or empty rhetoric.
Reekie has failed so Think is back.
Jun 09th, 2015 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What joy.
Acel is still the dumbest poster on the board.
Nothing changes
Although I am very happy to see the general strike today.
Funny where I live people don't strike when they're happy.
I wonder why they do in Argentina.
I wonder why
Silly stupid Kidiots believing their own lies.
Up next middle class housewives street fighting over the last bag of beans...
I can't wait.
TROY TEMPEST.
Jun 09th, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some people in this forum have one of my long investigations, i sent it to them by e mail, but since some time ago, i have made some changes, because i realised that some of my sources weren't dated correctly, and when i have time, i continue with my revision, i really hope i can finish it before august. I have said in different opportunities that i would finish it soon, but unfortunately in the last 3 years, i haven't had enough time to finish it, because luckily i have had so much work.
Anyway, it doens't mean that i can't give opinions about what i have investigated.
If you investigate about the right to self determination, you'll know that actualy public international right doesn't apply that principle for absolutly all people under any circunstance. Many people in this forum often say that Argentina should take the case to the I. C.J., which is something i agree absolutly, in fact, in 1884 and 1888, Argentina suggested taking the case to an arbitration, which wasn't accepted by the U. K. In 1947, Britain manifested Argentina that it would be disposed to discuss about the case of the dependencies from the islands (South Georgias and South sandwich) before the I. C.J., however it hadn't included the Malvinas in the proposal, after that year, none of the two nations has never proposed again to analize the case before that Court.
In my opinion i think that if after all these long years, neather Argentina nor the U.K. proposes to take the case to an arbitration, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result, if the case is discussed before the I.C. J.
Anybody here receive Axle's “Investigation”, by email??
Jun 10th, 2015 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone care to comment on it??
So far, Axle... just your opinion, and we know what that's worth.
@88 Not me.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a waste of time it would be to read it.
88. Nobody got that stupid paper. Plus other than Axel's claptrap everything else would be “mediocre” ( still haven't figured out what that word really translates to in English).
Jun 10th, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I weep for the children he “teaches” They're all damaged now.
Just on another topic:
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Belgium on its way to have enhanced anti-vulture legislation:
“The Finance Committee of the Belgian Lower House approved a bill project that sets more limits to the rights of certain kind of creditors seeking illegitimate profits. Once passed by that country´s Parliament, it will be extended to all the indebted States.”
Most media have ignored the story.
http://www.telam.com.ar/english/notas/201506/4990-belgian-parliamentary-committee-approved-bill-to-limit-vulture-fundsactivities.html
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