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Falklands: Cristina Fernandez met Snowden in Moscow to talk about UK spying on Argentina, reveals BAH

Friday, June 5th 2015 - 06:33 UTC
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President Cristina Fernandez met with former US National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden when she visited Moscow in April, according to the Buenos Aires Herald. Snowden became world famous when in 2013 when he revealed the extent of Washington’s global Internet and phone surveillance. Read full article

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  • Frankdrebin

    I'd have been more surprised, bordering on shocked if we weren't spying on Argentina.

    Maybe Snowden doesn't like the cold winters Moscow has to offer and is eyeing up a more permanent home in warmer South America.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Breaking News: The UK is STILL spying on Argentina.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    'and what did Hilary Clinton say about me?'

    'um... er.. um..... she reckons you are totally fucked in the head' ...shuffles feet... looks at floor

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I am guessing she hasn't been screeching about it because there is nothing to say. Every country spies on other countries, the difference is that some are pretty good at it.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I confess

    I am paid by the state to influence the opinion of the muppets on here that believe Argentina is a thriving modern democracy. At £1,000 a word I don't have to write much to fund my holidays in the Maldives.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Of course we're going to spy on the idiots.
    lt would be incompetent of us & a neglect of duty NOT to do so.
    You have to know what devilment the great unwashed are hatching.
    Forewarned is forearmed.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    How low can the president of a country go?

    I'd be so embarrassed if my PM ever wasted time chasing after someone like Snowden. Some lowly government official is the correct person to meet a fugitive. Not the person representing my country at the international level.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 7 Skip

    My thoughts exactly.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    Don't forget that la Kretina is hardly the ideal example of a diplomatic head of state. She is Argentine!

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Swede

    Argentina has been claiming the FI for decades. They have even started a war over them. Nowadays they are talking about diplomatic methods, but they still want to take over. It is even in their constitution. They have not given up the project. Of course the UK has to be prepared for every possible development. They have to keep a modest garrison in the islands (“militarizing the South Atlantic”) as a deterrent and get information from inside the Argentine regime (“spying”). It would be highly irresponsible not to do so. Nobody wants a new 1982. It much better to stop the Argentines before they do anything stupid as they have don before.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    10 Swede

    The difference between 1982 and 2015 is that Argentina does not have the capacity to invade much beyond Punta del Este. Their armed forces are a joke.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PDG0192

    I don't suppose that they discussed how RGland is still spying on the Falkland Islands either. It is highly likely they have someone here all the time.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    More like she was trying to find out how to hide all the money she has stolen and wipe any trace of it.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    With respect to the FI, yesterday it was announced that the inflation rate there was 1.4%...AR averages 40%. The best reason in the world to stay away from joining AR.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    This is the reason Maggie lied in the famous interview discussing the direction of travel of the Belgrano when she was legitimately attacked and sunk.

    What she could not say was during the Illegal invasion of the Falklands by Argentina we had cracked Argentina's military codes and were reading all the messages, including the orders the Belgrano had to go after our fleet.

    However Argentina failed to change their military codes so even those years later we were still able to read the military communications.
    Not sensible to admit that on the television as if they invaded again this time we would be forewarned.

    Lets be honest I hope we are spying on Argyland, Russia, China etc.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faulconbridge

    If Argentina is as peace-loving as she claims, surely CFK would welcome independent confirmation by British intelligence.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Does Argentina spy on the islanders,
    if China or Russia offered her information on the brits, would she say no thanks but im honest, or would she jump at it,

    she is being two faced, but then who really cares, she would invade the islands tomorrow if she could,

    and anytime in the future if she gets the chance, she would,
    so this crap about peaceful means is just an excuse because she has not the ability to do it,
    but make no mistake, the first chance she gets, or if she could find someone else to do it, she would jump at the chance,

    she is a Wolfe in sheep's clothing..

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    If you're wondering whether the UK spies on anyone then Google RAF Menwith Hill and ECHELON.

    I imagine someone in the UK knows all CFKs little secrets.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #15 zatharas

    With respect, your information is only partially correct. Admiral O'Reilly, assigned command of the Chilean Naval Intelligence's southern command in 1982 was responsible for the majority of ARA deciphered intel regarding the intentions of the intentions of the General Belgrano's battle plan. A-2 was in continuous contact during the conflict and was exceptionally helpful in assisting our British allies in understanding the Argentine nuance.

    Admiral O'Reilly was eventually promoted to Chief of Naval Intelligence and prior to retiring was posted to London as Naval Attache.

    (No stupid comments about the Irish name. The first president of Chile was an Irishman and the founder of out navy a Scot. Perhaps that's why we're so superior to our neighbors on the other side: due to our bloodlines we can drink them under the table.)

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    I'll bet the secret squirrels at Mount Pleasant can tell you exactly what colour knickers KFC is wearing today, and what she is saying on every phone conversation. Our satellites are beaming back photographs of every Argyland military base and strategically located cameras all over Argyland are recording every movement of leading Argentinian players. Britain has some of the most sophisticated intelligence services in the world with contacts all around the globe. Ever since we were caught with our pants down in 1982 it has been so.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    I doubt that Snowden will ever reenter U.S. territory of his own freewill.

    --------------------------------------------
    How does rotting roadkill stack up in the international morality indexes?

    #104 with a score of 3.8!
    http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf

    #1 with a score of 5393!
    http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf

    #54 with a score of .52!
    http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf

    #1 with 73%!
    http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf

    #107 with a 34 score!
    http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    Reeeekie writes: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”

    http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2014-15/Argentina.pdf

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #20 CaptainSilver

    Spot on! The squirrels at Mount Pleasant also have real time radar intel from the western side of Tierra del Fuego as well as from some incredibly expensive and sophisticated long range sonar buoys...

    By the way, please forgive my iPad auto spell correction that is giving me fits.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    shortly thereafter a few dozen individuals left Argentina, never to return. Their years of efforts now effectively nullified, their replacements facing a very uncertain uphill effort, the quality of their efforts already undermined from the get go.
    And all it took was a trip to Moscow.

    ... your baked disinformation salad with waffle sir.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2. And?
    @11. And their latam 'allies'?
    @17. And why is argieland trying to obtain multi-role combat aircraft? All the rest of the continent is “on their side”. So is the “rest of the world”. So they have no enemies. Britain doesn't attack. Although it could!

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Due to the partisan nature that the rhetoric here has been reduced to - many of you non-Anglo/European/Yankee readers/posters are obviously fatigued by the constant onslaught of negativity towards rotting roadkill. [NOTE: It would be so much more convenient to use the abbreviation RG than the aforementioned descriptor and I pledge to do so upon the discontinuance of the use of the term vulture to refer to a hedge fund or its owner.] Most people - irrespective of geography - have an almost irrational affinity for the place of their birth. To do otherwise would reflect a certain lack of one aspect of humanity. Having said that, not all places are created equal. It's even common for an immigrant to have an inordinate longing for a land that abused and reviled his own family. This is reflected in many of the diaspora peoples. Acknowledging this phenomena, we are still confronted with the poor behavior of nations towards the citizens of the world as well as their own. While no state is immune from occasional error some states are more problematic in their day to day behavior. N. Korea is one such. At the other end of the scale we have those states like Canada who seldom offend much of anyone.

    Review the links below and judge for yourself if there is a pattern as to the recent behavior of Argentina with respect to the citizens of the world as well as its own:

    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#respondent

    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#respondent

    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#respondent

    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#respondent

    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#respondent

    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#respondent

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Most importantly , the British and the US are tracking every penny CFK tries to remove from the country and launder abroad ......

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #24 Conqueror

    Mounting a surprise invasion using Argentine conscripts today would be virtually impossible due to social media on the internet. As you well know, none of Argentina's LATAM allies would truly support an armed invasion today, although they might loan war material as in 1982.

    As I've posted before, with 5 fighter jets, a destroyer and one submarine, the British could easily destroy Argentina's armed forces. (As currently Chile can easily whip their thieving arses as well.)

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    A president with guts. That's Cristina. Good for her to be the first president meeting Edward Snowden.
    This encounter may set the basis for a fruitful exchange of information allowing to uncover more international financial schemes that illegally siphon millions from Argentina as well as from many other developing countries.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Enrique you are so correct. Cristina has up until December to hide all the illegally siphoned millions she's stolen from the Argentine nation using sophisticated international financial schemes. Snowdon is a great choice.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @28. Who's guts has she stolen now? One criminal meeting another. Want to find millions siphoned from argieland? Look in her many houses. The vaults. The bank accounts. The companies. Ten times more money in 2010 than in 2003. Plus undeclared millions. What will you do if argieland ever gets an honest government? But then we'll be targeting the civil servants, the police, the corrupt judges. And how much K-money have you taken? Off there living in luxury in Canada. Will you be getting a visit from the RCMP?

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Snowden hasn't committed any crime and should return to the U.S. to be fitted up for a nice orange jump suit and a free, all expenses paid holiday in Cuba. He deserves no less.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Don't bother asking him, take my word for it, we spy on you. If not, I'm gonna ask my democratically elected representative, why not?

    Fool me once, shame on you.

    Fool me twice, shame on me!

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    A load of hot air.

    She has nothing to do there.

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    So she met him, now she will promote him,

    the next time you see him, he will be addressed as Mount Snowden,
    and she would have been the first to have had the pleasure, ?? wink wink..

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “If the encounter with Snowden took place as Romero said, the Falklands/Malvinas issue might have been one of the topics of concern for Cristina Fernandez, according to BAH.”

    So no official announcement that Snowden supports Argentina's Malvinas Myth then? Is this a first?

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    I thought Snowden worked for the NSA, not the UK....or perhaps, CFK wanted a different experience from the usual 'heads' of State ? Hope her 'botoxed' lips didn't tire under the strain for one whole hour...

    Jun 05th, 2015 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    I bet Snowden took a looong shower after that meeting.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    I love the first photo in this article. The soldiers are looking anywhere but at her. The guard of honour and the midget!

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Of course the establishment has to send a warning to all would-be whistle-blowers in the world by catching Snowden and make him pay dearly for his disclosures.

    #30 Conqueror
    “...And how much K-money have you taken? Off there living in luxury in Canada. Will you be getting a visit from the RCMP?...”
    You obviously are not afraid of writing ridiculous, unsupported allegations from behind a nickname.
    Too bad you do. It does not speak very highly about yourself or the seriousness of your postings.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @39 And you take everything way too seriously and have paper-thin skin. If you don't like a poster's comments, just skip over their future postings. You claim to be new here so you will not have witnessed a lot of the vile postings by Kirchner supporters.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 38 downunder

    I suspect they know the “The Boss” has already had his todger in her old rubber lips and wouldn't want to go anywhere near her.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @39. Everything Kirchner and her criminal clique does has your support. Honest, peaceful, progressive argieland refuses to pay its debts. Including the many court judgments against it. Peaceful argieland conducts economic warfare against the Falkland Islands. Why don't you go read Article 74 of the UN Charter.
    “Members of the United Nations also agree that their policy in respect of the territories to which this Chapter applies, no less than in respect of their metropolitan areas, must be based on the general principle of good-neighbourliness, due account being taken of the interests and well-being of the rest of the world, in social, economic, and commercial matters.”
    And yet argieland, a signatory to the Charter, acts against a tiny peaceful country.
    As noted elsewhere, 'progressive' argieland is only progressing into collapse. I can't wait. What a pity that you don't have the guts to go home and starve with the rest of your illegitimate, genocidal scum.
    I'm really hoping that there are tv pictures. I assure you that I will petition my government to let you die. You're worse than nazis. I suppose they had the excuse that they were the first to “think” they were right. But you should know what's wrong. Except that you're “victims”. No, you're not. You're corrupt, criminal, deviant, devious, dishonest, genocidal, incompetent, larcenous, mendacious, puerile, rapacious, vicious yobs.
    Looking forward to you changing your entire national character. I recall that the Falklands War wasn't 'your fault'. Just the Junta. Explain the argie scum dancing in the streets. At least the Germans had the guts to admit that the nazis WERE their fault. They WERE responsible. But you scumbags think you can just paint over 1982 and pretend it didn't happen. Where's your reparations payments? How about £50 billion? Paid for mine clearance have you?
    Why don't you turn those into ridiculous, unsupported allegations, you fink coward? Hiding in Canada!

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    “ she made a good impression on him” he said wiping the lipstick stains off his todger.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #42 Conqueror

    But frankly please tell us what you really think of of our Argentine clowns:

    VIVENZA CRIOLLA

    “...argieland...illegitimate, genocidal scum...worse than nazis...corrupt, criminal, deviant, devious, dishonest, genocidal, incompetent, larcenous, mendacious, puerile, rapacious, vicious yobs.”

    Fits perfectly with the specific Spanish description the rest of Latin America has for them:
    “Viveza criolla” is a Spanish language phrase literally meaning “native cunning” describing a way of life in Argentina. It is a philosophy of progress along the line of least resistance and ignoring rules, a lack of sense of responsibility and consideration for others, and it extends to all social groups and throughout the whole country, although it predominates in Buenos Aires.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #42 Chicureo
    Here's someone professing to be Chilean who joyfully sides with the most reactionary, anti-Argentine posters in this forum.
    Fortunately I have known a great deal of Chileans who would be ashamed of this compatriot of them.
    Unfortunately, since the illegal, violent overthrowing of democratically elected president Salvador Allende in 1973 we have known these sinister characters are also an unfortunate reality on the other side of the Andes.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @44 Chicureo
    “Viveza criolla” , or as you aptly described it ::
    “a philosophy of progress along the line of least resistance and ignoring rules, a lack of sense of responsibility and consideration for others, and it extends to all social groups and throughout the whole country ”
    fits the the definition of the “jeitinho brasileiro”, perfectly.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    45 Enrique Massot

    Are you really saying that any Chilean who doesn't like Argentina is one of these 'sinister characters'? Only just about every Chilean I've met can't stand Argentina, but it doesn't seem like a very sinister country to me. Chileans are always really friendly to Falkland Islanders.

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @45 Masshole
    It is pretty clear that you are a communist ; Are you that way for convenience's sake, or because you really believe their shit ? You defend Allende, Dilma, Lulla , CFK, Chavez (now Maduro)....what's the matter with you ? are you blind ? or just stupid ?

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    Chicureo - hola!

    Don't taken any notice of N0.45 - he must be a porteño supporter of la Kretina. In other words - un nabo boludo!

    Jun 06th, 2015 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    No 42 - Conqueror
    Except that you're “victims”. No, you're not. You're corrupt, criminal, deviant, devious, dishonest, genocidal, incompetent, larcenous, mendacious, puerile, rapacious, vicious yobs.

    Well said. But you have demonstrated that you have a way with words!

    Jun 07th, 2015 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Enrique is way out of touch and living in the past. How can he possible have any understanding when he admits it has been a very long time since he was in Argentina.

    Chileans have always taken the piss out of Argentines. The jokes are endless and funny. But whereas they might have grudgingly accepted that Argentina was more affluent in the past, they now realise that it is the complete opposite. They mix humour with pity.

    Jun 07th, 2015 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @42 Conqueror,
    Conqueror you have excelled yourself!
    l haven't laughed so much for a long time.
    Best part of course, is that its all true.
    Pray continue!

    Jun 07th, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #51 Elaine

    Spot in observation. As I mentioned before, in the 70s I was in admiration of Argentina's wealth, industry, medical care, education and intimidated by their impressive Navy and Air Force. Today I have disdain and pity, especially for my close friends residing in San Juan and Mendoza.

    It's so easy today to tell jokes about Argentina. All you have to do is read the news...

    Jun 07th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    Well she is really is pushing that anti-west agenda....... good luck with that.

    Jun 08th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #10 Swede
    “...the UK has to be prepared for every possible development. They have to keep a modest garrison in the islands...as a deterrent...”

    You missed the point in the article above.

    According to it, the British government would be “engaged in surveillance and cyber operations against the Argentine government in an attempt to shape public opinion against the country’s sovereignty claims over the islands.”

    Why would the British government be worrying in trying to “shape public opinion?”
    The answer is, because public opinion counts and it's what, in the end, will pressure the British into giving back the islands.
    Better get used to the idea.

    Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @55 Reekie Masshole
    Even if the majority of Argentines had nothing better to do, and were to believe their Government's claim that the Falklands belong to Argentina, do you really believe that this would influence the UK ? grow up, not everyone is as stupid as CFK or her cronies are...
    And even if the UK is “engaged in surveillance and cyber operations”, how do you conclude that the UK is “worried” ? that's “your” interpretation, which doesn't amount to much.

    Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @55

    “The answer is, because public opinion counts and it's what, in the end, will pressure the British into giving back the islands.
    Better get used to the idea.”

    The UK doesn't give a rats ass about Argentine public opinion.

    The only chance you'll get to colonise the Falklands is when the Sun becomes a red dwarf and everyone else on the planet has left for a safer home. It will be more important for Argentines to land on the burning Falklands than to exercise common sense and join the exodus before it's too late.

    Jun 13th, 2015 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 57 Pete Bog

    I like your forward thinking: ~4.6 Bn years worth!

    Argentina will not be in it's present form in the (wait for it) next 25 years!

    :o)

    Jun 13th, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @58 ChrisR,
    Or to borrow Hepatia's mantra, “within the next 25 years”!
    Actually l hope Argentina disintegrates long before that.
    The best part, of course, is that they brought it on themselves, lol!

    Jun 13th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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