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“Argentine Malvinas question” support group has a branch in Saudi Arabia
Argentina is seeking the support of Saudi Arabia in its dispute with the United Kingdom over the Falkland Islands sovereignty. This was the appeal of the country's Ambassador Jaime Sergio Cerda during a seminar recently on the matter at his residence in the Diplomatic Quarter of Riyadh, reports Arab News. Read full article
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Jun 08th, 2015 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fails completely to mention the Illegal armed invasion by Argentina in 1982.
Which was repelled.
Which then of course nullified any claims Argentina may have had.
In the word's of PFC Hudson “Game over man, game over!”
Totally pathetic. Support from cruel despots wont get RGland anywhere. Still, countries with dreadful human rights records make good bedfellows. Enrique will be along in a moment to confirm it along with Axel the grovelling apologist.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Malvinas Islands are part of Argentine territory inherited from Spain” What an obvious lie as as Spain was barred under the Anglo-Spanish component of the treaty of the Peace of Utrecht, Article VIII, which explicitly bars any Argentine claim of succession.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...it is hereby further agreed and concluded, that neither the Catholic King, nor any of his heirs and successors whatsoever, shall sell, yield, pawn, transfer, or by any means, or under any name, alienate from them and the crown of Spain, to the French, or to any other nations whatever, any lands, dominions, or territories, or any part thereof, belonging to Spain in America.”
I can't believe they can be so arrogant!
Jun 08th, 2015 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0NEWS JUST IN Argentina are sending a two manned mission to Mars seeking support for their lies and fairy tales.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great Saudi Arabia who whips bloggers and won't let woman drive...... their support really bolsters Argentina's position.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1, 3. Argieland never had any valid claim. A brief look at international law shows “inheritance” is not and never has been a valid method of acquiring territory. When argieland declared independence, it consisted, approximately, of the current Buenos Aires province. How could it think a place 1,180 miles away belonged to it. Perhaps it lost track of the events of 1770/71 when Britain gave spain a choice between backing off or finding itself at war. Spain backed off. Over time, until the 20th century, argies trespassed on British territory for no more than 6 weeks. Nothing in there to justify a claim to sovereignty. And, after WW2, Britain offered to take the matter to the ICJ on no less than three occasions. Argieland declined each time. Yet more examples of argieland's constant lies.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical Argentine Liar! There were face top face talks going on between Britain and Argentina under UN auspices since the early 1970s - until the were as pointed out above - scuppered by the Argies Invading in 1982 - What a pathetic nation of Liars!
Jun 08th, 2015 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The two parties will be a perfect match:
Jun 08th, 2015 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Neither can be trusted;
Neither know the meaning of truth;
Both are cowards and run away at the first sign of trouble;
A match made in hell then, if hell ever existed.
l'm absolutely flabbergasted.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have these RGs no shame?
What a collection of lies they tell.
Anyway, they're banging their stupid heads against concrete if they think that Saudi is going to help them.
Raving RG Loonies.
Just when you think there's nothing left to scrap from the bottom of the barrel, you read this! There's no limit to the desperation of these bananas.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't laughed this much since Aunt Mabel got her left tit caught in the mangle.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the rotting roadkillians get enough signatures on a petition - do they get “their” islands “back”? LOL.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It NEVER happens.
Do you now understand?
Even IF rotting roadkill had once had a somewhat legitimate claim on the Falklands, their failure to EFFECTIVELY assert it in a timely fashion would have rendered that claim null and void.
The invasion and war crimes perpetrated by rotting roadkill in 1982 also would have diminished the value of a prior claim - if one had ever existed in the first place (which it didn't).
Losers (rotting roadkill)!
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Reeeekie writes: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
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Jun 08th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...it is hereby further agreed and concluded, that neither the Catholic King, nor any of his heirs and successors whatsoever, shall sell, yield, pawn, transfer, or by any means, or under any name, alienate from them and the crown of Spain, to the French, or to any other nations whatever, any lands, dominions, or territories, or any part thereof, belonging to Spain in America.”
.....“or to any other nations whatever”
...must still belong to Spain then....
How come the British have them...?
...........Pirates.....
If we're Pirates (how cool are we! Ohhh aarrrh!), what does it make the Argentines? Genocidal Euro ursurpers. No?
Jun 08th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does Ambassador Jaime Sergio Cerda seriously imagine the Saudis have never heard of the 1982 War? What's the sharia penalty for taking the piss?
Jun 08th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont think we will take any lessons from a sick government that has sentenced a political online blogger to 1000 lashes that might kill him.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is seeking the support of Saudi Arabia ,
Jun 08th, 2015 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hang on a mo, is not Saudi Arabia an ally and friend of Britain ?
hang on a mo, so was Obama,
friends, who needs friends ??
14 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 08th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...must still belong to Spain” The point is that at best, according to the 1771 Declaration, it was an Anglo-Spanish joint-sovereignty arrangement. In which Spain did have a claim. That is until: “In 1863 the islands were visited by an official Spanish diplomatic and scientific expedition commanded by Vice-Admiral Luiz Hernandez de Pinzon,... ...The expedition's two frigates spent six weeks in Stanley harbour from 27 February to 9 April 1863; they fired a salute to the British flag and received Governor James Mackenzie on board, and the expedition accepted gifts of scientific specimens. They were official representatives of the former colonial power, Spain, and clearly accepted the Falklands as British.”
Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
Unrefutable acquiescence, along with Peace of Utrecht, which leaves the the UK with sole legal title, barring all others.
“...........Pirates.....” Only Argentina has had that accusation leveled at two persons acting on it's behalf, Jewett and Vernet, by third nations. Try to stay with facts, not indoctrinated fiction.
@14. Perhaps you don't understand that the text is taken from the Peace and Friendship Treaty of Utrecht between Spain and Great Britain (1713). Therefore it should be clear to anyone with a proper education and an ability to comprehend English that the phrase “any other nations whatever” could not include either of the signatories to the treaty. Moreover, in 1770/71, 57 years after this treaty, the United Kingdom offered spain a war unless it backed off. The king of spain disavowed the actions of his local 'governor', paid compensation and restored everything seized from the British settlers. The British settlers returned to their land. That determines that the land was British. It still is. So screw the spanish who, from the available evidence, has been incapable of being honest since 1479. Much like 45% of scotchland. Remember how scotchland was amongst the top ten if not the wealthiest country in the world? Strange how, when the oil price dropped through the bottom of the barrel, the scotch female fish was quick to 'demand' that the UK bail her oil industry out. Except that said oil industry suddenly changed from being scotch to being the UK's. The scotch, supposedly wanted 'independence', then when it knew it was going to lose the independence vote, it wanted many things. Now it wants many more things. It's like a mini-argieland. It lies, it cheats, it steals. But, hopefully in the near future, the people of England, Northern Ireland and Wales will have had enough. They will tell scotchland to piss off. That it will get the land it stands on and nothing else. That if it doesn't like it, it should try taking what it wants. And the scotch can deploy hundreds of half-naked, woad-painted, drunken morons. If all the 5 million plus scotch 'brains' got together, could they equal an English mind? And in the run-up to their English-approved referendum, they reverted to type. Listing what they wanted to steal. Scotchland actually owes England more than £2 quadrillion!
Jun 08th, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror, please try to stay focused.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This article is about Argentina's pathetic attempts to get yet another country to do its fighting for it.
lts got very little/nothing to do with Scotland.
And why do you persist in annoying the Scots?
Do you want to drive them into Argentina's arms?
l'm sure that they don't appreciate it.
Scots soldiers fought heroically in the Falklands & indeed in nearly all of Britain's wars.
l sometimes enjoy your posts but l think that you are going too far this time.
Whatever……
Peace
Conquerer does like Scotch, he just doesnt like The Scotch especially windbags like the sock puppet Voice who suffers from too many head punches administered at Dunoon boxing club.
Jun 08th, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rule Britannia… .
Speaking sock puppet. Find an original name you loser!
Jun 08th, 2015 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway Spain recognises UK sovereignty and has for more than 100 years. So that fixes that problem.
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Jun 09th, 2015 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Unrefutable acquiescence”.....so the visiting Spanish were being polite...so what...do you have any FACTUAL paperwork that has been signed by Spain relinquishing rights to East Falkland in favour of the British...?
After all they did actually buy it....It appears all the British did was seize it...
Do you have any indisputable facts at all...or more opinions...?
BTW Terry... WTF is UNREFUTABLE....?
Get yourself an education...the word you are looking for is..... IRREFUTABLE....
I do so tire, having to debate with the uneducated masses....
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I don't think any country has officially recognised UK Sovereignty...only de facto administration....even the UN.....
The UN recognises UK sovereignty.
Jun 09th, 2015 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0So do all members of the EU.
There are others but I guess these are the most important.
24 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 09th, 2015 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have any FACTUAL paperwork that has been signed by Spain relinquishing rights to East Falkland in favour of Argentina...? The legal definition of acquiescence has been defined by the ICJ ergo: “...In the dispute between Thailand and Cambodia over the ancient Temple of Preah Vihear, which is located on (the Danrek mountains forming part of the boundary between (the two countries the International Court of Justice held that the Siamese authorities had acquiesced for many years by failing to object to a map that had been drawn up by a mixed commission in 1908, showing the temple as being on the Cambodian side. ...” p.154 Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk. So by that definition Spain has acquiesced. Everything in law which results in judgements is of course, merely opinions, stupid. So wrap your sophism around that. I don't need an education as it is a maxim of equity that “The law respects form less than substance, equity looks at intent, not at form” But you are obviously, obliviously ignorant of this fact. “It is better to be silent and thought to be ignorant then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.” R. G. Risch. What is legally binding is the views of nations of 1833 then, not one nation supported Argentina's claim their “silence” is indicative of support for the UK. Any change of opinion post 1945 is merely a none-binding political vox populi decision.
Customary international law; Silence as consent;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_intern...
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Jun 09th, 2015 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely, if Argentina had “ irrefutable evidence ” that Argentina had inherited THE FALKLANDS from the Spanish then they could go to the ICJ with this “ irrefutable evidence ” and stake their claim,no? Either side has a claim, but I am sure you will agree it is heavily weighted in favour of the UK and the FALKLANDERS wishes to remain a BOT. So Argentina will whine on and on about it and still lie to their students in primary school.
24 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 09th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Incidentally when your going to lecture people on the usage of English it helps to be right to wit: unrefutable, a. Now rare; is the entry in my Oxford dictionary, OED v4.0. Oops foot in mouth yet again, so perhaps while bringing you up to speed on English you might want to seek help for that unmanageable ego.
Isnt Argentina:
Jun 09th, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suing the Falkland oil companies?
Taking the UK to the UN?
Buying warplanes from Russia?
Turning the whole of South America on the UK?
It's going well isnt it?
@24 Voice
Jun 09th, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0re: 28 Terence Hill - I used to work for MAFF another lifetime ago. Occasionally my colleagues and I would try to decipher the Civil Service manual. We never did succeed. It was, of course, written by lawyers.
Arguing about grammar with a member of the legal fraternity is not unlike going mano a mano with Wladimir Klitscho if you substitute words for pugilism. It's never going to end well lol.
Send la Kretina here - she wouldn't last very long in her full burka and face covered up.
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Jun 10th, 2015 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah of course it's rare...like your legal facts...as rare as rocking horse shit....
30 Heisenbergcontext
Like so many folk that are obsessed with one particular interest...they lack in all the rest...in his case the English language...and he still can't see it, high school errors...
I don't know how many times I've told him to use You're and he's still using Your...
Tut bloody tut....
Got to laugh at this definition....
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unrefutable
32 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 10th, 2015 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0So your attempted arrogance in lecturing on the use of English blew-up in your face and showed that your talking through your hat again: your |jɔː| |jʊə|
possessive adjective 1 belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing : what is your name?. Anything I state legally is usually accompanied with an appropriate citation. Whereas, every one of yours is your own personal view, or an attempt to apply modern legalisms retroactively which is barred. Or, the deliberate sophism of taking a quote from a pre-trial hearing, that is never finally adjudicated. So you have conceded once more the fact that there is no international law that supports Argentina's fraudulent claim.
I don't need an American interpretation of English and neither should you, as neither one of us is in the States. So you can weasel as much as you want the OED v4.0 shows you are wrong:unrefutable, a. Now rare.(un-1 7 b, 5 b.) 1594 Nashe Christ's T. (ed. 2) To Rdr., Henceforth‥for an vnrefutable principle I will hold it. 1629 Massinger Picture iv. ii, As I must grant, It being vnrefutable in reason. 1859 Herschel Pop. Lect. Sci. iii. §54 (1866) 140 That positive and unrefutable demonstration.
@32 Voice
Jun 10th, 2015 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the link, I can't check it without activating a 14 day trial however, so I'll just have to take your word for it. One of the problems with defining correct grammar in english is how the language has evolved once it left the shores of the British Isles.
I think, on this subject at least, his kung foo beats yours...
'argentine Malvinas question'
Jun 10th, 2015 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0They always have to put it as a question, because they realize they are in the wrong by trying to assert that anyone apart from those who currently live there have any right to claim the Falkland Islands as theirs.
I cant be bothered listening to RG pish anymore regarding the Falklands, - Simple fact is that the Falklands will always belong to the Falkland Islanders.
Period.
Saor Alba.
@35 EscoSes Doido,
Jun 10th, 2015 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't agree more myself.
Cheers,
l
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Jun 10th, 2015 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So your attempted arrogance in lecturing on the use of English blew-up in your face and showed that your talking through your hat again: your |jɔː| |jʊə|”possessive adjective 1 belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing : what is your name?“
Oh dear.....
Would anyone like to jump in and try and explain to Terry how he has embarrassed himself yet again...he is, as I mentioned in the last post, unable to see his error...
Ps...I didn't say that you weren't exceptional at quoting legal opinions...just a little short on legal facts...and when I say a little, I actually mean none at all..
34 Heisenbergcontext
Here was the entry:
unrefutable
adjective un·refutable ”+
Definition of UNREFUTABLE
: irrefutable
You have hit the nail on the head, also in ever so a polite way....Terry Hill...from Sao Paulo, Brazil....
His English goes with the territory...
37 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 10th, 2015 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If at the end of the day you are only able to pick at my syntax and are reduced to an argumenta ad hominem. Then I have achieved the purpose I set out to do which is to simply refute your attempted sophisms. I share the view of the legal maxims “The law respects form less than substance, equity looks at intent, not at form” and “The law does not concern itself with trifles”. As unlike you I am focussed on the issues and not on my own ego, I'm content to reduce you, too nit-picking around the edges.
So now you have the unmitigated gall to announce that the Oxford dictionary is incorrect.
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Jun 10th, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know how many times you have used the word sophist or sophism in the last year....?
....no less than 73 times....
The Emperor needs a new groove....
39 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 10th, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So thats how often you have lied, but, who's counting? only the obsessed. “.. WTF is UNREFUTABLE...” So according to Webster unrefutable or irrefutable mean one and the same, are you up to speed now? Talk about circular logic.
Argentine Malvinas question??
Jun 10th, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English language ??
no double dutch, no lingo,
keep it on the rails people, ??
the islands are not for sale, at any price, savvy.
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