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Brussels Declaration with references to sovereign debt and 'territorial integrity' satisfies Argentina
Argentina expressed satisfaction with the Brussels Declaration at the end of the two-day European Union/Celac summit because it included strong backing to the country's efforts to change international rules regulating restructuring of sovereign debt and also there was a mention to territorial integrity, a tangent statement referred to the ongoing dispute over Falkland Islands sovereignty. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI am glad that Timmerman is “ happy ”, it is politic speak for “ for fucks sake shut the fuck up”
Jun 13th, 2015 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who could possibly be opposed to respecting territorial integrity and the peaceful resolution of disputes? Apart, of course, from the Republic of Argentina?
Jun 13th, 2015 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Errr.....it was included because of concerns about the war in Ukraine. Only Timerman was thinking of the Falklands when they agreed it.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0All it means Timerman is that countries can spend more time trading and cooperating if they aren't trying to steal each others territory. Inotherwords, while Argentina maintains its bullying of the FIs it loses out on trade with the FIs and the UK, meaning the UK will trade and interact more with Chile and Brazil instead.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“to respect their territorial integrity and political independence, to refrain in our international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes and principles of the United Nations, ”
Jun 13th, 2015 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Erm, kind of sides more with the Falkland Islanders than Argentina with that sort of statement, especially the 'political independence' bit, but this wasn't about Argentina or the Falklands, he will grab at anything to try and be heard, bit like Voice!
Territorial integrity of the United Kingdom.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina supported the territorial integrity of the UK and its BOTs as the UK currently is the recognised nation having sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
Oops!
He's easily pleased.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0People hear what they want to hear.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The problem that Cameron has is that he doesn’t read the UN documents” concerning the Islands said Timerman.”
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem that Timeramn has is that he can't objectively read the UN documents concerning the Islands and simply believes his own bullshit.
9-Downunder- You are 100% on target! Timmerman is as thick as Paulie and Marcos and all so immersed in their own fantasy world they will b elieve anything anyone says.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure if we Islanders made a statement supporting the peacefull resolution of all territorial disputes they would immediately claim we recognise their claim over us!!
So pathetic - but Hey make you laugh.
'“The problem that Cameron has is that he doesn’t read the UN documents” concerning the Islands said Timerman.'
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems to me that the sovereignty of the Falklands Islands, the war crimes, their surrender, and their outstanding war reparations are all items that should be read - though I don't think Mr Cameron actually needs the UN documents to do this.
Mr Timerman can quite easily read himself the documents about his sovereignty of the Falklands Islands, their surrender and war crimes, and their outstanding war reparations.
Personally, I think he should bring these issues to the front of his mind.
He should also research the UN documents
and the International Court of Justice protocols.
After 15 years of Mercosur - EU negotiations and the Argie 2002 financial collapse, it seems a bit rich to for Argentina to restructure its sovereign debt - the more so if it tries to create a proper trade bloc like the EU.
I hear Cristina screaming out loud.
@ 11 GeoffWard2
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given that the argies have to labour under the lowest form of jibber-jabber on the planet it is of little surprise to find they 'misinterpret' the English used in all International Jamborees.
This is especially true of TMBOA who does not speak a word of it herself as far as my research tells me.
Perhaps timerplonk doesn't understand what 'integrity' means.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Integrity is the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness. It is generally a personal choice to uphold oneself to consistently moral and ethical standards”. Are there any words in there that would automatically think of argieland?
“Territorial integrity is the principle under international law that nation-states should not attempt to promote secessionist movements or to promote border changes in other nation-states. Conversely it states that imposition by force of a border change is an act of aggression.” Much firmer ground here. The Falkland Islands were settled long before there was an argieland. Argieland is constantly attempting border change in another nation-state. It's also attempted to achieve a border change by aggression and force.
Let's see the history. The Falklands Crisis (1770/71) clearly demonstrated that the Islands are British. In 1820, there's the pirate Jewett. But pirates can't claim territory. 1828 sees the establishment of a commercial venture with British permission by someone called Vernet. Appointed as military and civil commander of Puerto Luis by the Republic of Buenos Aires. Britain protested. Vernet decided to try a bit of piracy himself. Note - only Puerto Luis. The Republic of Buenos Aires - a body that argieland doesn't even claim as one of its many names. Not relevant.
1832. October. Mestivier arrives with his 'garrison' of murdering cut throats. Mestivier was shot and bayoneted by members of the 'garrison' on 30 November. Somehow, 7 weeks doesn't seem to be enough to claim 778 islands.
Thanks, timerplonk, Britain will maintain its borders as they are.
Post number 10 Islander1 Yes, very true, then there is this:
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0”A passage in the declaration urges states “to respect their territorial integrity and political independence, to refrain in our international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes and principles of the United Nations, to uphold the resolution of disputes by peaceful means and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law.”
Timerman reckons he is happy with that passage in the declaration. But then I suppose that Argentina whould be happy with any goal, even when it's an own goal!
“territorial integrity,” saying that “territorial integrity is fundamental because it includes the sovereignty conflict with the United Kingdom” over the Falklands. said Hector Timerman
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS, CHAPTER I Article 2
4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
But, the Charter cannot be applied retroactively prior to it's enactment which was in 1945, according to international law, that is to 1833 ergo: “...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion...” The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jennings
a Judge of the International Court of Justice from 1982. He also served as the President of the ICJ between 1991 and 1994. So such a statement has absolutely no legal application to the Islands. It is just so much meaningless political nonsense. The problem that Timerman has has is he doesn't observe the constraints of international law concerning the Islands.
Rgs can't seem to understand Polispeak. They often get wrong the meaning of spoken and written gov'tmental language.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That passage says absolutely nothing in real terms.
Blah blah blah
Oh yeah we're satisfied...
hahhaha
Silly stupid fools what else are they going to say?
None of that changes the fact that there's almost U$10B in court ordered payments past due.
Silly Kidiots
”to respect their territorial integrity and political independence, to refrain in our international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes and principles of the United Nations, to uphold the resolution of disputes by peaceful means and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law.”
Jun 13th, 2015 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This clearly a message to Argentina telling them to back off and leave the Falkland Islands to their own affairs. There is nothing in the statement which can possibly be interpreted as favourable to the false and mythical claims of Argentina,.
Compared to his stated expectations ( http://en.mercopress.com/2015/06/11/falklands-triggers-strong-reply-from-cameron-when-timerman-brings-up-the-issue-at-celac-eu-summit), poor Hector is having to walk away with SFA. No reference whatsoever to the Falklands, the UK, or dead resolution 2065, just a bunch of anodyne motherhood and apple pie generalities that nobody could possibly object to. Nothing at all like the declarations he gets at gatherings dominated by members of the PIMPLE bloc.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But he probably is satisfied, in so far as he got enough generalities to present to the gullible and delusional that progress is being made, and no doubt there will be one or two along shortly to claim that there is.
There were 3 final declarations. Typically Timerman has interpreted the one with a bias although the wording could just as easily be taken to mean that the group supported the territorial integrity of the British territories. The second declaration emphasised the importance of human rights, and obviously self-determination is now recognised as a human right.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And of course, the Falklands have never bee a part of Argentina's territory.
Do all Argentines have a problem with reading comprehension?
Patagonia will be a separate country before rotting roadkill acquires FI.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The connection between what Mr Timmerman interprets from Brussels and the Falklands is this:
Jun 13th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blank.
But they are NATO or not?
Jun 13th, 2015 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahaha
One day the Mossad is going to bundle up the mendacious Hector Timmerman in a trunk like Eichmann and clandestinely ship the miscreant to Tel Aviv to face trial. The criminal weasel has committed treason to his country disgraced his courageous father's name, betrayed Judaism and immorally abetted the sworn enemies of Israel.
Jun 14th, 2015 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0(I really don't like him...)
“But he probably is satisfied, in so far as he got enough generalities to present to the gullible and delusional that progress is being made, and no doubt there will be one or two along shortly to claim that there is.”
Jun 14th, 2015 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@22 Brasiliero
See what I mean?
Well that is astounding, spin is one thing, arguing black is white is quite another.
Jun 14th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If he read the passage on “territorial integrity” and actually knew what the British position on this issue was, as opposed to what he says it is, he would see that the statement entirely supports the British position.
Case of believing his own bullshit.
As for “he doesn’t read the UN documents”, that is just laughable, as anyone with a computer and internet connection can see for themselves.
More opiate for the masses, claiming victories which are simply non-existent or even reversals.
Just the point.
Jun 14th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill has 11% of the internet penetration that the U.S. does.
Like goebels - the K-swine are not ignorant in the ways of manipulating public opinion.
Hence their media devestiture rules.
A little TV and some print is enough to propogate their lies.
@22. Where is the relevance of NATO? Where is it mentioned? Why would the UK need NATO? The UK has already upgraded its capabilities over 33 years. Argies already proven to be cowardly and incompetent in '82. Except for the pilots. Who were well out of the way. And mostly got shot out of the sky. 75 fixed-wing and 25 rotary-wing aircraft. That's a 42% loss rate. A Type 45 destroyer is more than FIVE times as effective as a Type 42. Seen the submarines with torpedos AND land attack cruise missiles? Any targets up to a thousand miles. Guess what? Half of Brazil is within range. Want to carry on promoting a military option? Do your troops know how to get off a boat yet?
Jun 14th, 2015 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://gizmodo.com/the-world-in-2100-according-to-nasas-new-big-dataset-1710798646
Jun 14th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I warned you all, that the country least affected by climate change will be Argentina. I explained it several times in through my scientific prowess and also in simple terms provincial folk could understand.
You didn't believe me.
Well here is NASA saying it:
http://gizmodo.com/the-world-in-2100-according-to-nasas-new-big-dataset-1710798646
So keep bragging about subs and torpedos, borders and supposed court orders... they really ultimately mean nothing because your countries will be on their knees in a few decades... begging Argentina for a bowl of soy paste.
Any nation which will be “begging Argentina for a bowl of soy paste” will be NO nation, you fool!
Jun 14th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 The_troLLimpic_games
Jun 14th, 2015 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just how from a map of predicted temperatures do you deduce that Argentina is going to be least affected, particularly after the extreme weather events experienced in Argentina recently.
A military capability is always useful in protecting your territory and its resources, particularly in times of great turmoil.
I mean someone could arm the Mapuche who could then re-capture Patagonia and TDF and declare independence, right to self-determination and all that, and what could BA do???
A move for a fully autonomous Patagonia would have a lot of support.
Jun 14th, 2015 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Jun 14th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it amazing how there's always somebody or something galloping to Argentina's rescue. Variously to date it's been the Russians, the Chinese, the hermanos latinos, the British taxpayer, and the Islamic Caliphate. Now it's the climate.
And yet nothing changes.
Extreme weather events in Argentina? Which ones? Anyone know what @30 is even talking about?
Jun 14th, 2015 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30
You do understand there is no independence movement of the Mapuche in Argentina, and never was. That's all in your fecund yet putrid imagination where you can't afford Argentina even one leg-up or your life is over.
Live with it, Argentina has no separatist movements, certainly nothing like you EUians have in Scotland, Catalonia, Liga Nord, Bayern, Corcica, which btw begs the question if your countries are so superior why do you have areas and regions, and people dying to split off, yet we have not even one PROVINCE trying to do the same in 158 years?
@32
Jun 14th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't Chavez promise military help to Argentina? Although to be fair there's been no great sailing of the Venezuelan fleet since Madurine took over.
And you're right, despite this' worldwide 'support, Timerman has to use glasses the size of two lorry windshields to spot some obscure wording on territorial integrity and invert the meaning to claim EU support for the Malvinas Myth.
Which as you say, in the real world has a zero effect.
28
Jun 14th, 2015 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me how that website proves Argentina will be least affected by climate change. Then tell me how anyone can trust your assurances that Argentina is one big happy family if you still claim the website proves Argentina will be least affected by climate change.
You used to come on here with sound arguments based on fact and credible data. Now you just make a fool of yourself. Stop doing it and let the Falklands vs. Malvinas argument go on. You don't care about it anyway.
It was a very good parade this morning to remember the liberation of our homeland. Lot's of people turned out and the sun kept us warm even if it was very skaty walking from the car park to the monument. It was good to see so many veterans there also.
Poor Nostrils
Jun 14th, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His link just shows the prediction for the daily maximum temperature in JULY.
Which of course is WINTER in the Southern Hemisphere. And hence shows lower temperatures for Argentina.
With all his “scientific prowess” you would have thought he picked up on that. But alas his Argentinean education got in the way.... again.
A world of fools,
Jun 14th, 2015 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And god knelt down and put his hand upon the head of
Hector Timerman and whispered sovereignty is a coin into human corruption ignites,
Upon which Mr Hector Timerman, with tow sovereigns in his pocket claimed to the world,
God has spoken and sovereignty is ours, the islands are destined to come home.
With the men in white cloaks awaiting his arrival at home, this man it truly an anointed loony.
The world is full of fools,
Just praying like.
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@35
Jun 15th, 2015 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not and will not be affected by climate change for a variety of already explicated reasons. There is not enough demographic pressures, nor enough environmental stress. Also Argentina is surrounded by the coldest Ocean (Pacific), and second coldest ocean (Atlantic), which reduces greatly atmospheric heating.
When did Argentina get a Pacific coast?
Jun 15th, 2015 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0However I do believe the U.S. ”is surrounded by the coldest Ocean (Pacific), and second coldest ocean (Atlantic), which reduces greatly atmospheric heating”.
Probably in a good position considering the U.S. actually has a Pacific coastline.
You are such a ridiculous argentine hater.
Jun 15th, 2015 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The southern hemisphere is 92% water. Northern hemisphere only 61%. Guess where will there be more impacts?
It should the pathetic level of Ozzer education when you truly believe that atmospheric effects respect geo-political borders. I am sure the mild pacific ocean airmasses simply say to themselves “oh, here we come against the Chile-Argentina border, we will just stop still right there”.
I am quite puzzled as to the reasons you are one of the most virulent anti-Argentines. I'm guessing your ex-partner was an argie and refused your marriage proposal and dumped you.
Nope never dated an Argentine. My stimulation in a relationship has to be intellectual as well.
Jun 15th, 2015 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0But according to your continually shifting goalposts then I guess New Zealand will be the “country least affected by climate change” and not Argentina as per your claim in post 28.
As for atmospheric effects respecting geo-political borders. I didn't claim that. Perhaps one of the voices in your head said it.
I said:
“When did Argentina get a Pacific coast?”
And stand by that question as Argentina doesn't have a Pacific Coast nor is it surrounded by the Pacific.
And atmospheric effects don't recognise geo-political boundaries but they are extremely effected by geographical boundaries such as the Andes. My state however has a REAL Pacific coastline not one on the other side of a 7,000km long continental mountain range.
You've made a claim and then been unable to back up your claim. So much for your “scientific prowess”. Indeed your parameters mean another country claims the title you have bestowed upon your own. Funnily enough a country, that as an Australian, I have full residency rights in.
As for being anti-Argentine. No I'm just anti-stupid. If in your eyes that aligns then so be it.
@38
Jun 15th, 2015 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Also Argentina is surrounded by the coldest Ocean (Pacific)” - so Argentina has occupied Chile at last? Chicuero has not kept us up to date on that development!
Nabo!
Looks like the Falklands will be in even better shape, a few degrees higher and longer growing seasons means they should be able to grow a lot more produce. Now we know why Argentina want them.
Jun 15th, 2015 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 040 The_troLLimpic_games
Jun 15th, 2015 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oops! you forgot about the depleted ozone hole. Oh! I forgot you intend to lather Argentina sun-blocker, and so nullify it's adverse effects. http://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/
@33 The_troLLimpic_games
Jun 15th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the flooding which recently hit BA and surrounding area killing people was normal for the time of year was it?
You don’t classify that as an extreme weather event then?
Apart from a map of predicted N. Hemisphere summer temperatures, do you have any actual, relevant evidence to back up your rather simple minded claim?
As for the Mapuche:
http://www.mapuche-nation.org/english/news.htm
They tell a completely different story to you, guess which one we believe?
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