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Buenos Aires/Moscow close ties are “a fact, not a wish”, says Argentine minister Kicillof

Saturday, June 20th 2015 - 09:16 UTC
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Argentine Economy Minister Axel Kicillof speaking from Moscow said ties between Buenos Aires and Russia were “a fact, not a wish” praising the bilateral “natural understanding” and “complementation”, achieved by the two partners in economic, energy and trade affairs. Read full article


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  • Chicureo

    Burn in hell Argentina, you've earned a place just for you.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    “you will find a surprising increase of 1,000%, one that has grown the most in Argentina’s foreign trade”

    Pity the starting point was 10 argie pesos. :o)

    Panic measures by Kickitoff, again.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The only countries left for Argentina to do business with are the the 3rd tier scumbag countries run also run by dictators.

    Somebody might want to tell Austral Elvis that Russia doesn't have any U$ to lend them and their economy is almost in as bad of shape as Argentinas.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    What does kicillof think he's talking about? So Russia is screwing as much as possible out of argieland. So what? China and Russia have hit on similar plans. Screw the greedy and stupid as much as possible. What's with these 'South-South ties'? Which part of Russia can be construed as 'South'? Being a marxist, I'm sure kicillof feels right at home in Russia. Perhaps he should stay there.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Wonder if he managed to score a tablet?

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Kicillof says:
    ”This last chapter of the world economy has had so called emerging economies as true growth engines; those in Latin America, the Russian (economy)...”

    Russia is in recession.
    Argentina is in recession.
    Venezuela is in recession.
    Brazil is in recession.

    Growth is coming from Latin America, but not from Mercosur. It's coming from the outward looking countries that integrate with the west and not try to be petty and cut their noses off to spite their own faces.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    MOSCOW (20 June 115) Russia’s TASS news agency announced today that Argentina will purchase in 2022 at least 15 Tupolev Tu-160 “Blackjack” heavy strategic bombers when the aircraft's production is renewed, Russian Air Force Commander Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev announced Thursday. The Tu-160 strategic bombers will be produced simultaneously with the country’s new bomber, called PAK DA.

    According to Bondarev, the revival of the Tu-160 production will not interfere with the production of the PAK DA aircraft, which is expected to make its first flight in 2019. The PAK DA bombers are likely to be part of the Russian Air Force in 2023-2025.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    praising the bilateral “natural understanding” and “complementation”, achieved by the two partners in economic, energy and trade affairs.
    Coimas and kickbacks for everyone involved in the deal, don't worry about the fact that both of our countries are broke.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Its 45F in BA and many areas of the city has been without electricity for a week.

    Remember the Kidiots on this board saying I was lying about the brownouts.
    Well I wasn't and this article confirms it.

    Silly Rgs get exactly what they deserve.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 7 Chicureo
    What an interesting announcement of TODAY!

    Please provide me with a link to the announcement as I cannot find it all!

    One could be excused for thinking that you are attempting to wind us up again? :o)

    The TU-160 was a fantastic plane in it's day and subsequent upgrades gave it impressive flexibility: all theatres, all climatic conditions, 275 tonnes TO weight, supersonic cruising, etc.

    The latest version didn't enter service until December 2014 and the Russians are supposed to be letting the mad-hatters have these, their latest long-range bombers??? REALLY???

    The argies wouldn't know how to get into the thing, never mind fly it.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    . . . . . known by the company they keep . . . . . .

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @7 Chicureo
    Hope they have the money to buy 15 bombers which even the RAF can't afford.

    It seems to me the Argentines need basic fighter aircraft to defend themselves.

    I would not fancy their chances at getting near Ascension, the UK or the Falklands without fighter escorts.

    And Chile's F-16s should be able to splash them if the Argies are really stupid and attack Chile.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Argentina which wants to overrun someone else’s territory and Russia which does and is overrunning other people’s territory.

    A match made in heaven, or was it hell!

    @7 Chicureo
    A purely offensive wepon system, likely to be very expensive to buy as well as maintain.

    Which, if the deal goes ahead and if the new built ones work any better than the old ones do, will cause some military re-thinking in Chile and Brazil as well as the British S. Atlantic.

    Militarisation anyone!

    @ 10 ChrisR
    Those still in service have had to be almost completely re-built, but even then they did not upgrade the avionics. Not to mention engine un-reliability.

    We shall see what the new build are like (economic conditions/oil price permitting), on paper a powerful strike aircraft, on paper.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lornefirth

    1939 stalen and hitler were pals to slice up Poland, history repeating , who ll stab the other in the back first

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    How many “announcements” of planned military upgrades/purchases have we seen in the last decade?
    and not one of them have ever come to fruition

    Arg doesn't have enough money to keep people in the largest cities warm.
    and its only going to get worse.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    @15 True dat!

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Even if they do take delivery they've proven that they can't maintain anything of any complexity. Forget FBW - they won't even be able to do a hard reset. What about the TBO on the ruskie junk power? If history portends anything it is that they can't afford to by spares - if they are even available.

    Also, I'm not for sure that the policies of comrade pootun are going to be that popular after the next famine.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willi1

    “...Kicillof said in Russia where he is currently attending the Saint Petersburg International Economic Forum 2015...”

    And there he is together with the same beggar like him, tsipras of greece.
    they sell their souls to the hell and will be thrown out once putin doesn´t need them anymore.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    We are coming!


    Jun 20th, 2015 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    19. LOL.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 19 Brasso

    Great idea, go for it!

    Don't worry about those awkward little refusals by the US / UK / EU just because you are crooks! I am sure Russia will back you - for a price (of your country).

    It is clear to me that BRICS will isolate themselves from the real world if they go this way. It would only take the main card providers to refuse to cash non-swift payments and all your non-BRICS tourists will dry up.

    Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of idiots, led by DumbAss and The Chief Crook himself: Lula.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @ 21 Hey CryingR

    Brics represents 2/3 of humanity.

    USA/UK/AU/NZ/CN are isolated!

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    No need to worry, soon enough one of the parties will screw the other over and thus end the relationship. Cheaters will always cheat, it's just a question of time.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    PRAVDA, Vasily Mikhailovich (Васи́лий Миха́йлович Блохи́н) 19 June 2015

    Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez, has sent a special envoy to Moscow to ask Russia to sell her its most advanced fighter jets, both Argentine and Russian media are reporting.

    On Friday, a senior Argentine military official told the Clarín Group, a major media conglomerate daily newspaper, that Argentina officially asked Russia to sell it the Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jet in a commodity barter agreement. Notably, the Russian state-owned ITAR-TASS news agency picked up the report on its website on Friday.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Buenos Aires/Moscow close ties are “a fact,

    There are facts, and then there are facts,

    One thinks Argentina’s obsession with the Falkland’s and her hatred of the British, are clouding argentine minds to the real facts,

    She is confusing Russian help, with Russian re-enforcements and re-equipping her military,
    She may well b confusing Russian friendship with Russian aggression against Britain,

    Russia is lots of things, but she aint stupid,
    Russia is in deep shxt and has serious problems, and she likes to play countries of against each other, playing games and diverting attention from home is good business,
    But Russia, like china, will not go to war with anyone to get or recover stolen goods for another dictator,

    One thinks Argentina is reading into this, entirely different prospects than the Russians are,

    Of course I could be totally wrong, ??


    Jun 20th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce

    @7 & 24

    These contracts will not be fulfilled until Argentina recieves the promised TU 404 aircraft.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Caledon

    Even if they do get these fighters/bombers.They'll be watered down export versions with 2nd/3rd generation technology and weaponry.

    Not even the Russians are daft enough to sell top drawer equipment to a country so corrupt the planes wouldn't have been landed for 5 minutes before someone was knocking on the door of the US Embassy with the Tech Spec Manuals under their coat and dollar signs in their eyes.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Whats the matter, malvinistas?
    China not your bestest friend anymore?
    Cosying up to Mother Russia are we?
    Beware, the bear will gobble you up.
    And you still will NOT get your thieving paws on the Falklands.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @10. I found the TASS article. No mention of argieland. Russia plans to buy 50. Not a chance of the first by 2020.
    @19. I do not wish to hear about your sexual perversions.
    @22. Who told you it was humanity? Do you not keep up? I told you recently what a tiny percentage of trade you represent.

    Jun 20th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Brasileiro @22 said:

    “Brics represents 2/3 of humanity. USA/UK/AU/NZ/CN are isolated!”

    World population: 7.3 billion
    BRICS population: 3.2 billion
    2/5 not 2/3.

    We may be isolated but at least we can do math.

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    The new Tupolev PAK DA will begin production this year along with Tu-160s being in a new round of production as well. Very doubtful anyone believes 15 of the Tu-160s are for real or many Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets either. It makes sense that the Chinese fighter earlier negotiated will be in more of a trainer/support fighter role. (The Tu-404 was cancelled long ago.)

    It seems with the new BRICSAV bank will create new loan credits available in non-Dollar dominated funding, backed by Russia and China.

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JoseAngeldeMonterrey

    Always on the wrong side of history. Yesterday with the Hitler, today with Putin and China.

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Ruskies have now backed out. Gollum is now trying to do a deal with Airfix!

    @32 Toby, shut up.

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    “.........ties between Buenos Aires and Russia were “a fact, not a wish”

    As opposed to Buenos Aires sovereignity over the Falklands which is a ”wish', not a “fact.”

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Buenos Aires, Casa Rosada
    Presidente de la Nación Argentina
    Dra. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
    (English Translation)

    Relations between the Argentina Nation and the United Kingdom are being pushed to the worst catastrophe as the days go by due to vicious smear campaign being conducted through the imperialist media consisting of a litany of malignant lies being currently parroted my the illegal puppet so called “Acting Governor” Sandra Tyler-Haywood of the illegally held Islas Malvinas.

    Outrageous false claims of Argentina is conducting some sort of disruption and blockade of the Malvinas illegal inhabitants as well as being rightful subjects of Argentina testifies to the promotion of unwanted confrontation to hinder the eventual repatriation of the Malvinas to its rightful motherland.

    The British imperial imaginary claims are getting disintegrated beyond control and hit hard from all sides for its political crisis and subsequent social catastrophe and confusion.

    It is vexed with the daily increasing political might of Argentina, the might of single-minded unity of international relations growing stronger as the days go by.
    The group of traitors is busy conducting the above-said false propaganda in a bid to divert elsewhere the people and the world public's bitter criticism of it.

    In the grip of extreme fear and uneasiness, the regime is working hard to whip media and riff-raffs toward total confrontation with the Argentine people a foolish act of jumping into fire with a no desire to save the illegal vermin still nesting in our sacred lands. Let the dogs off hell feast on their flesh!

    The Argentine government had already made a solemn declaration that those who hurt the dignity of its supreme leadership and drive South Atlantic regional relations into the worst catastrophe would be the primary target of its punishment.

    They include the Malvinas illegal squatters whom will pay the ultimate penalty for their evil betrayal of the Argentine fatherland.

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alberto Bertorelli

    Eh, whata stupid lady, using bad language lika that maka her looka absolutely barmy and an exile of civilised nations lika Italia

    What a mistaka to maka… Heil Mussolini!

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    30. Skip

    BRICS + Africa + Polynesia + South America + Caribbean + Portugal + Spain + Middle East + Balkans + South Asia = 2/3 of humanity.

    Germany is the glue that holds this world map. Without Germany the Five Eyes would be blind!

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    All this as brazil inexorably claws its way back into the stone age . . . . . .

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    You talk utter bollocks

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I've said it many times
    Someday you'll believe me.

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Just a thought, what happens when Putin has a drink of polonium tea and his regime is toppled and a new western friendly government resumes control in Russia, similar to Gerbechov and Yeltsin. Where will Argentina be left then?

    Jun 21st, 2015 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #41 Britworker

    Easy answer: Completely dependent on their Chinese masters...

    Jun 22nd, 2015 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon


    You are correct. These bomber that Argentina might buy from Russia cannot be considered by any stretch of the imagination to be defensive, they are offensive.

    So what is the point in Argentina buying them? They can't be used to defend Argentina, fighter aircraft would be far more suitable, and unless Argentina is thinking of bombing its neighbours for fun I can't see any situation where they could be used. Assuming this sale goes ahead (of which I know we're all skeptical given Argentina's track record of claiming to buy all kinds of military hardware) the would be far more danger to Argentina's neighbours than to the Falklands, as the Falklands are very well defended.

    The truth is that the Falklands air defence could wipe out these bombers in minutes should they ever get close to attacking the Falklands.

    So either this is another empty 'brag' meant to placate the brainless masses in Argentina, or they're going to be buying a bunch of lemons that will end up rusting on the runway.

    Jun 22nd, 2015 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    It seems Cristina is on a shopping spree before she leaves office...

    Islamic Republic News Agency
    Tehran, June 22, IRNA

    In a surprise announcement, Argentina and Iran have agreed to the introduction into Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina - FAA) service of the Qaher-313 (Conqueror-313) advanced stealth aircraft with first deliveries in 2022. Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) noted that the agreement marked a great victory for the Islamic revolution.

    The F-313 Qaher is designed and indigenously produced in Iran by the Aviation Industries Organization (AIO), a division of the Ministry of Defense, and IRIAF.

    The aircraft design is a canard configuration. It is described as a stealth fighter built with advanced materials, a very low radar signature and with low-altitude operations capability. The Qaher can take off and land on short runways and has “easy maintenance”. Qaher has a payload capacity of carrying two 2000 pound bombs, or greater number of smaller smart guided missiles, or at least 6 air-to-air missiles in the category of the PL-12.

    Jun 22nd, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 44 Chicureo

    You little 'teaser'!

    This thing has been examined by US experts and they claim it's a hoax: it can't fly.

    Jun 22nd, 2015 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #45 ChrisR

    The Americans are only jealous because the F-35 is behind schedule and way over budget. The Western powers are not allowed to inspect the aircraft as they are afraid the infidels will copy their technology.

    Jun 22nd, 2015 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    The tu 160 buy is slightly less realistic than uk reconquering its rebellious colonys in north america.

    Jun 23rd, 2015 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Speaking of going Global, Cristina's military shopping spree in Russia, China and Iran now includes India...

    In the Jane's Fighting Ships Registry News there is a brief article about advanced negotiations for the purchase transfer in 2020 of the INS Viraat Centaur-class aircraft carrier currently in service with the Indian Navy. Authorities of the Argentine government mentioned that the carrier was a part in re upgrading their navy and mentioned that the vessel had been recently completely upgraded and refitted in 2013. It is further noted that the ship will be made the flagship of the Argentinian Navy and will be named the ARA Belgrano II.

    Jun 23rd, 2015 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Next it will be reports that Argentina has placed orders for Aircraft with Airfix and a Carrier with Lego.

    Jun 23rd, 2015 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #49 Pugol

    Not just any aircraft carrier, the already battle tested in the south Atlantic ARA Belgrano II, originally christened the HMS Hermes...

    The point is this mischief is that Argentina is in a propaganda campaign to give the false impression that they are rebuilding the glory and pride of the national patrimony in order to deflect growing unhappiness with the declining economy.

    Argentina is certainly no as bad as Venezuela, but certainly is a disaster that will get far worse before making a recovery.

    The EU and the IMF may eventually help out Greece, but it's doubtful until it's stubborn politicians guarantee major concessions. Argentina has pretty much burned its bridges with those sources and could only return if Argentina turned completely away from its past.

    Jun 23rd, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    lf only they would drop their ridiculous“claims”, stop lying & halt all this “malvinas” bullshit, we could help them in some way. A lot of ways.
    Although not to re-arm. l'm not quite that naive.! lol!
    And we don't want to upset Chile either.

    Jun 23rd, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Aircraft carriers, strategic heavy bombers, stovl aircraft, all high end price and complexity kit.

    Militarily what use is a carrier even with aircraft if you cannot protect it.

    I think even many Argentines are going to doubt these stories.

    Jun 24th, 2015 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The_troLLimpic_games

    I mean what is their to think about here?

    Moscow, Beijing, and Brasilia...

    Or Washington, Brussels, London, or Ottawa?

    The first are proper nations, the second are evil murderous regimes with execrable history of colonialism and genocide.

    Jun 26th, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @53 troll,
    You really have a twisted view of the world.
    Are you sure that you are real?
    Or are you made by mirrors?
    We shouldn't laugh at you, its not right to laugh at the afflicted.

    Jun 26th, 2015 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Poor Nostrils

    He just can't catch a break. No one is stopping Argentina from being closer to whomever they wish.

    If Russia, China and Brazil are the countries that Argentina wishes to associate with closest and wishes to emulate and wishes to prioritise then don't continually whinge and whine about it. Embrace your future. Your future will look more like Brazil, China and Russia.

    But don't be surprised if you are subject to racism like that that exists in Russia.
    And don't be surprised if you are unable to articulate any criticism of your government like they are unable to in China. And let's not mention what China has done to their environment.
    And don't be surprised if your taxes end up lining the pockets of corrupt politicians like in Brazil.

    Because for all the faults of any western country Nostrils shifts his focus to, those faults pale in comparison when compared to these three countries.

    Australia has close relations with China (closer than Argentina's).
    Has cordial relations with Brazil and strained relations with Russia as befits a country that invaded and annex a neighbour's territory.

    Jun 27th, 2015 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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