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Argentine judge orders seizure of Falklands' oil companies assets
Argentina will pursue in Britain and the United States a local judge's order to seize assets of oil drillers operating in the disputed Falklands Islands, the Argentine foreign minister Hector Timerman said in an interview published in a government financed newspaper on Sunday. Read full article
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Jun 29th, 2015 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm loving this..... who's hogging the popcorn?
Jun 29th, 2015 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that this judge is advocating piracy. And therefore the RN will legally be allowed to shoot them!
Jun 29th, 2015 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course this is all empty words. Argentina hasn't got the balls to do anything.
Expropriating foreign assets hasn't worked too well for Argentina in 1831, 1833, and 1982, but here they are back again like Wil. E Coyote.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0What exactly does Foreign Minister Hector Timerman believe stock exchange regulators actually do?
@1 Of course not.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0ROFL @ 4. Here comes the oncoming train, there is about to be a large greasy splat as Wile 'Ernesto' Coyote buys the farm. Again.
I look forward to this getting to the UK and US courts for enforcement. They should be able to hear the laughing in Stanley.
l think that the Argentines live on another planet or in another dimension.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0This whole scenario is becoming as ridiculous as their stupid “claims” on our land.
Maybe they are getting their courage up to actually try something.
They really take themselves seriously, don't they?
ldiots.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/124513/february-1833-parallel-truths-in-parallel-universes-—-can-that-be-the-only-explanation
Jun 29th, 2015 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0#2 Skip, I've got the popcorn . . . Salted or with sugar? Beer would go good with this. . . .
Jun 29th, 2015 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina's DELUSIONAL preoccupation over the FALKLAND Islands, this latest is the schoolyard equivalent of “Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah!”.
We're with you, FALKLAND Islanders!!! (Remember, Argentines are like a dog with a bone: they never learn nor desist, even when they know the splintered bone will eventually kill them.)
Arm the oil companies! However, a well-placed “Boo!” will probably suffice to get rid of them; speaking from long experience, they're cowards.
It's very interesting to note what is not being said publicly
Jun 29th, 2015 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If you enter Falkland territorial waters and try to interfere with company's or individuals it will be seen as an act of War. If you take any action against any company or individuals carrying out their lawful business within the jurisdiction of the Falklands we will immediately refer the matter to the ICJ and impose a full economic and diplomatic blockaded until the the matter is resolved”
But that would only give the windbags more air better to adopt traditional Policy speak softly but carry a very big stick ( economic and military )., unfortunately for some they forget the UK still has a big stick maybe not in the league of US or China but big enough if it has the will to use it..........
Deluded. Utterly deluded!
Jun 29th, 2015 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely these rants from the campasina judge and Timmerman alike are meant for a domestic audience?
No-one in the real world will take them seriously.
This is done for their domestic market.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They really do not care how stupid they look to everyone else on the planet.
They are truly living in lala land.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timmerman talks of “British colonialism” but threatens to raid the Argentine office of a US firm, Noble Energy.
What does he hope to achieve by this?
Expropriation of a photo-copier?
Sequestration of a stapler?
Oi! Timmerman, It was the Falkland Islands Government (you know: the government elected by the Falkland Islanders...in the Falkland Islands) who issued the drilling licences, why don't you take us to court?
Jun 29th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Double dare you!
I think Rgs drink poisoned water.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is really all I can come up with.
I've told you guys that this will happen and you didn't want to hear it....
Jun 29th, 2015 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can freeze and seizure all assets of these companies in all Europe and USA including UK, because all have treaties, agreements, etc. with Argentina.
Sorry...
15. My gosh your stupid. The USA has no treaties that would allow a Provincial court in a 3rd world country to freeze the assets of a USA company.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gads what a moron.
How's your Arg peso investment going?
:)
DanyBerger, an outstanding graduate of the Argentine education system.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK Dany I'll bite. Which treaty can force a UK court to seize the assets of a UK or US company working legally in UK sovereign territory, on behalf of a foreign government?
Jun 29th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I am aware UK courts can refuse to enforce foreign judgements that go against public policy in the UK. Also would the “debtor” not need to have been subject to the jurisdiction of the court in the first place - and as you are probably aware, Argentina has no jurisdiction in the FIs. Also you can't expect a foreign state to uphold a spurious ruling. Otherwise you could just do the following: Argentina needs money so make up a charge against a UK bank, fine it £100Bn, get the British court to collect the £100Bn and send it to Argentina. Does that sound like something that it likely to succeed?
So go on then, which Treaty?
He's probably in the top 10% of wealth earning over U$900/mo!!
Jun 29th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You absolutely can't keep yourself clean on U$900/mo.
@yankeeBobo
Jun 29th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know what is the MLA treaty signed in Buenos Aires by United States of Amexican in 1990?
I guess not...
In page Four (4) of the MLA treaty clear explain the scope and obligations assumed by USA reagarding MLAT , the list below:
a) Taking the testimony or statement of persons
b) Providing documents, records and articles of evidence
c) Serving documents
d) Locatingand/or indentifyin persons
e) Transferring persons in custody for testimony and/or other legal matter
Pay attention to the folowing points, please...
f) Executing request for searches and seizures
g) Immobilizing assets
h) Assisting in proceedings realated to Asset Forfeiture (do you know what that means?)
and collection of fines, and or any other form of assistence not prohibit by law in the resquested State.
And keeps going with bla, bla, bla...
That extend Argentina Law enforcement to the US territory.
In other words any call by an Argentines court to US assistence that fit under ARG Law as a crime and the procecuted is on US territory, US has to act according with this treaty providing all legal and police enforcement including the Seizure and/or Confiscation of assets of the criminal offender.
Yeah see how far you get with that its for money laundering and drug trafficking.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your English comprehension skills are lacking.
I've asked you many times how's your Arg Peso investment going.
Maybe if you turn the chart the other way it will look good.
Bahahaha
retard
From the US Department of State website
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Mutual Legal Assistance Treaties (MLATs) allow generally for the exchange of evidence and information in CRIMINAL and related matters. In money laundering cases, they can be extremely useful as a means of obtaining banking and other financial records from our treaty partners.“
It seems to me that the operative word is ”criminal” and, although I have no legal qualifications, surely the activities in the Falkland Islands of the various oil companies are NOT criminal. Also, it is highly unlikely that the British, American and Italian legal systems will consider the activities of their companies in the archipelago to be criminal offences.
@20 Dany.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect you will come up against the issue of jurisdiction. For a US court to enforce a foreign ruling it would have to agree that the foreign court had jurisdiction in the matter. So would you not need to go to the ICJ first? If you have no sovereignty or jurisdiction then you have no case. Am I wrong?
”...He(Timerman) argued that international law forbids altering the state of territory where the United Nations has accepted that there is a sovereignty dispute,..) Unless this statement is qualified by a reference to the UN Charter, UNSC Resolution, or a ruling from the UNICJ or other recognized tribunal of international law then Timerman is a liar.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless it can be proved that Argentina has jurisdiction over Falklands EEZ. Here is the accepted view of the application of extraterritorial law. Extraterritorial jurisdiction (ETJ) is the legal ability of a government to exercise authority beyond its normal boundaries.
Any authority can, of course, claim ETJ over any external territory they wish. However, for the claim to be effective in the external territory (except by the exercise of force), it must be agreed either with the legal authority in the external territory, or with a legal authority which covers both territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdiction
There is also an MLA between the UK and Argentina BUT is restricted viz
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Agreement between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the Argentine Republic concerning Mutual Judicial Assistance against Illicit Drug Trafficking
Buenos Aires, 27/08/1991”
There's a list a mile wide of 2bit Dictators and their compliant judiciary trying to claim USA based companies assets.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We just throw the summons/complaints in the garbage where they belong.
Here is apparently the UK's response.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We have always been very clear that this is an unlawful assertion of jurisdiction over the Falklands Islands' continental shelf, which we reject, and we will raise it with the appropriate authorities,” a spokeswoman for Britain's Foreign Office said, when asked how London would react.
“We are satisfied that the islands have the right to develop their hydrocarbons sector as a legitimate commercial venture with international oil and gas companies, and will continue to support them as they move forward. Argentine domestic law does not apply to the Falkland Islands.”
outright.https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2015/Jun-29/304291-uk-says-argentine-plan-to-seize-falklands-oil-driller-assets-unlawful.ashx
Is it just me or would anyone else agree that the best way forwards for Argentina might be to publicly give up any rights to Falklands oil and at the same time set up an oil platform resupply centre and all the facilities that the drilling companies may need, on the Argentine mainland? Surely better to make money in some way by cooperation than to get nothing by beligerance. Maybe a considerable amount of money at that.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15, 20. Do you know that you're a prat? Do you know that you've always been a prat? Despite being a long way from argieland, you still “think” that argieland gets to say what goes on around the world. News for you. It never did. Based on your use of “Dany” and previous comments, it's clear that you're an ignorant argie tart. Are you funding your stay in Europe by appearing in a window in Amsterdam? Or perhaps the Reeperbahn? Bet your pimp provides the computer and the internet access. Have you got a website where you offer “services”? Are you a bender as well?
Jun 29th, 2015 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these the same exact people who denounced the US and UK courts and claimed they had no jurisdiction over their affairs?
Jun 29th, 2015 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yankeeboy, gordo1 & CO
Jun 29th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope boys, legal matters is a time cosuming job, don't be lazy.
I have the copy of the document signed by US and the page 4 says exactly what I have written point by point, no other fancy interpretation, no lack of English Skill or any other crap you have posted. Because is a copy past of the original document.
Argentina, USA and UK, etc. like many other countries have several MLAT signed in bilateral, multilateral manner, for restricted or specific purpose, etc.
So you have MLAT for drug and trafficking, money laundering, tax evasion, corruption, brivery, etc.
And MLAT more ample ones that take into account any type of crime that can be considered by the calling country.
The MLA treaty I'am talking about was signed by USA and is very ample and if you have seen how US have used it in the case of FIFA the same rights applies for the countries signatories for US.
USA has used an special local law that classifies the use of a connection service with a server based in US to procecute members of FIFA even though the crime
was commited in other jurisdiction. And not even being a crime in other jurisdiction of some of the signatories countries.
So as you can see there is nothing to stop Argentina to procecute, extradit, fine, seizure, confiscate assets in US or any other country in Europe as have done
before. And by diffirents crime even tax evasion, money laundering, etc.
About the legal exploration of oil in the Islands, bla, bla... argued by some posters, etc..
That is not true, for Argentina this is against the law as Argentina considers this islands part of her territory depite what UK says, so it is a territory
under dispute.
And what Cameron or UK representatives says it is just for domestic comsuption becuase outside little UK world none gives a Shiiiiiitttttttt about what he thinks or say.
So stop dreaming because will be more possible that USA gives up Puerto Rico to Argentina than Argentina FI to UK.
Bahahahaha
Jun 29th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you don't know the difference between being a respected country and one that's not.
This won't go anywhere.
How's your peso investment fund going?
retard.
Any asset seized by Argentina would immediately be seized by Paul Singer. You know the guy that isn't in contempt of the very courts Argentina thinks they can use in this matter. Still, God loves a trier eh Dany!
Jun 29th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elephant in the room...
Jun 29th, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina refuses to pay up the debts it has been ordered to by a US court.
So why would a US court uphold any legal ruling from Argentina.
When Argentina refuses to accept a legal ruling from the US.
I believe the phrase is quid pro quo?
The territory isn't disputed in the UK, we do actually quite happily accept that the Falklands are UK territory. I'm guessing that this will be a bit of a stumbling block at any preliminary hearing in the UK.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still, lots of Argentine public money will be wasted trying, so all is well.
I would LOVE to see this bunch of no-hopers take a claim under English law.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They won't do it though because they know they would fail and they are only playing to the stupid side of the Argentine population of which there at least 15M, known as Peronistas.
@ Dany
Jun 29th, 2015 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Jurisdiction is critical here. It is not a matter of opinion that Argentina has no jurisdiction in the Falklands, it is a matter of law. The UK and US courts can ignore your claim because you have no jurisdiction to fine people for doing something not in your jurisdiction. And if you won't go to the ICJ to establish Sovereignty then you're hardly going to go to prove Jurisdiction over the FIs. What a strange government you have.
Distraction.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pay your debts, rotting roadkill.
Good luck with that! :)
Jun 29th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do these idiots always pick on the easy targets,
Jun 29th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0seizing Falkland assets, but no apparent asses exist on argentine soil,
yet they seize American tiny assets, the Americans will be pleased,
why don't they do the manly thing and freeze all British and American assets in Argentina, ,
put a 200 mile blockade around the islands and threaten to sink any and all British and America ships who dare to enter argentine territory,
mmm on the other hand, its better they stick to freezing things that don't exist, that way , they haven't actually got to do any thing.
looking tough, and being tough is two entirely different things,
besides the world will still laugh, no matter what they do..lol
@31 Dany Berger
Jun 29th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your ideas are just yours and Argentina's nonsense will not prosper.
“Argentine judge orders seizure of Falklands' oil companies assets”
Jun 29th, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't make this s**t up!! Seriously, you can't!!
I think we need to keep at least 2 type 23's permanently on station in the Falklands just to guard against further argentine stupidity.
@20 DaNY
Jun 29th, 2015 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“US has to act according with this treaty providing all legal and police enforcement including the Seizure and/or Confiscation of assets of the criminal offender.”
What if the USA doesn't agree that the Falklands belong to Argentina, or that a criminal act has been committed?
Also read @34 Zathras
“Argentina refuses to pay up the debts it has been ordered to by a US court.
So why would a US court uphold any legal ruling from Argentina.
When Argentina refuses to accept a legal ruling from the US”
So, you think that because Argentina refuses the jurisdiction of a USA court, the USA is going to cooperate with Argentina?
And I hope you will send ships to the Falklands to order the handover of assets, because the UK armed forces do not accept Argentine sovereignty over the Falklands, meaning that your ships might be arrested and escorted to a Falkland port. That will then give Paul Singer and NML the right to go to court in the Falklands and demand the seizure of the ship, unless Argentina pays what it owes.
So rather than end up seizing the oil companies assets, you might find yours are seized instead.
@31
“So as you can see there is nothing to stop Argentina to procecute, extradit, fine, seizure, confiscate assets in US or any other country in Europe as have done ”
Just like that?
I'm so worried about what you say that I'm joining the ' more popcorn' club, and waiting for the fabulous entertainment provided by Argentina to continue.
@Orbit
Jun 29th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Any asset seized by Argentina would immediately be seized by Paul Singer. You know the guy that isn't in contempt of the very courts Argentina thinks they can use in this matter. Still, God loves a trier eh Dany!”
I think tha Cristina is just thinking about your tale... And who cares?
@ zathras
First you are wrong!
US court cannot ordered nothing to Argentina because is soverign nation and if you are not happy call the cops...
Oh! there are not cops for these matters so what are you gonna do? sorry
And this is another situation.
US also can refuse to obey the MLAT but who cares, the guys can be caught when they put a foot outside US like happen with the FIFA family.
But this will set up a bad presedent for US... Who is going to sign a treaty with a nation that not respect them?
Can you see?
Do you really think USAMEX will harm its image worldwide and risk global business interest to protect a bunch of idiots?
@Britworker
While you are in the EU you are “fackeup” if you know what I mean, do you know this little country called Belgium? and Brussels?
Well they have the last word in the matter and has the power to overrule any decision court made by a UK court.
@ Christopher
There is nothing to discuss in Uk court, they have to cooperate or not and in that case Argentina sue the companies in Brussels.
@Redrow
Nope you are wrong, btw are you British? UK courts have ruled out crimes made in africa without any jurisdiction there.
The problem is that you don't have any jurisdition there because is a territory under dispute.
So is a matter of oppinions, I don't see US wanting to mess it up with Argetina, they are neautral remember?
@gordo1
Oh! you have no idea the harm Argentina can do to these companies.
To start with how in his right mind will invest in companies that they assets can be confiscate and the managers send to jail?
@toooldtodieyoung
Yes ARG cans and already had sent formal notification to all countries holding companies assets
Don't know much about these treaties. But surely the “crime” needs to a recognised criminal offense committed ,although ,under the jurisdiction of one ,is also a “crime” recognised by the other and as such punishable by law under both jurisdictions. To be otherwise would be legally incompetent .
Jun 29th, 2015 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So how come the UK whom say no crime is being committed would be subject to this treaty under that jurisprudence ?
And does it mean that if a company transgresses a law which exists in my country which is perfectly legal in its based country,whilst it remains in the base country, I can freeze its assets ?
Just askin' !!
Dannyberger - Oil Compoant Lawyers are not stupid - if 1% of what you claim was true-- they would NOT be approving investment by these multinationals in the Falklands Offshore Zone.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they have and continue to do so - now what does that tell you?
For you to have even a cat in hell,s chance both UK and US Govts - and France - would have to formally agree that the Islands are Arg territory!
Now can you see that happening???
DanyBerger
Jun 29th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It won't prosper! Wait and see!
Go on seize a British Registered ship better still, seize an American Registered ship. You have a history of f.....g things up with unmatched style. That should do it very nicely.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dany, 1st September see ya. .Bahahahaha
Jun 29th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 DanyBerger
Jun 29th, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! you have no idea the harm US can do to Argentina. Just a reminder of what occurred in Chile in 1973.
I hope Argentina tries everything Dany said.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I can laugh and laugh and laugh.
Things are hotting up,
Jun 29th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lts getting very interesting.
God, but aren't these malvinistas stupid.
Yes Skip, think that we'll be laughing too!
@ 44 DanyBerger
Jun 29th, 2015 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on!
I know you are not stupid so I will just point out the requirements if TDC were stupid enough to go to the ICJ.
The clue is in the 'I', it's a breach or presumed breach of INTERNATIONAL LAW.
The claim lies within TDC purview ONLY. Nothing international about it.
the only response to all this shite will be a complete isolation of the islets.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they want to travel to their mecca...punta arenas, crossing through our wonderful airspace?
NO WAY.
they want to travel to montevideo, crossing through our splendorous mar argentino?
NO WAY.
they want to commerce with ANY south american / latin american country?
NO WAY.
4 paulcedron II
Jun 29th, 2015 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just keep on bugging US companies and their government will totally rearrange your government, to one with a less hostile attitude.
@ Caledon
Jun 29th, 2015 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, the MLA treaty enters into action if the “country calling for” considers the action as crime under its law and the resquested country doesn't considers
the action to assist the other country as a crime under it own law.
So just few special cases can be considered...
None of these cases are considered for this matter. sorry
Doesn't matter that on the requested country in this case US is not a crime the same action commited by the offender, this is not taken into considereation.
Because the procecuted person has to resolve her/his legal situation under the courts that have resquested the enforcement and assistence of Mutual Legal
Assistence.
On the aother hand, Jurisdistion today is a debatable issue like USA had set as jurisprudence on the case of FIFA, etc.
You don't have to be fisicaly these days on site to enters into other country jurisdition like in the case of the use of internet connection to a server, a
phone call, a wire transfer, an airline, etc.
So Argentina considers the action of exploring for oil in these waters a criminal act so if you are procecuted by an Argentina court Argentina legally can
resort to any legal assistence locally and internationally to make justice.
Then in the ARG court you will have all means and oportunity to prove that you have not broken the law, but you are forced to attend argentinean court
otherwise a court can declare you a rebel, etc, etc.
@Islander1
You are absolutelly wrong, there are plenty of cases of investors specially from UK in oil, diamonts, land development, etc. in dispusted areas around the
world whom were expropiated.
@Terence Hill
Argentina is not Chile.
@Skip
You can start right now beacuse is already happen it...
@54 Paul
Jun 29th, 2015 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they want to travel to their mecca...punta arenas, crossing through our wonderful airspace?
NO WAY.2”
Then the airline they will use will fly around your airspace to Punta-but Argentine veterans won't be visiting the Islands either.
Your government still haven't stopped LAN -maybe they can't afford to pay Chile the £millions they would lose if the FI chose flights to South Africa instead?
“they want to travel to montevideo, crossing through our splendorous mar argentino?
NO WAY.”
You can't stop them-=powerless.
“ they want to commerce with ANY south american / latin american country?”
And those Latin American countries turning down £s? Don't think so....
pete
Jun 29th, 2015 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the families of the veterans are the first in support this measure.
lan losing millions (MILLIONS???) because they will not fly to the islets anymore?
lol
“And those Latin American countries turning down £s? Don't think so..”
the question is how much they will be turning down.
lets say u$s 10.000.
guess they have more important business to do with argentina.
56 DanyBerger
Jun 30th, 2015 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is not Chile.” The States doesn't care who you are, if you interfere with the interests of US controlled companies watch out. Salvador Allende's offense was the nationalization of the Chilean copper industry. ”In the 1970 presidential election, the outright nationalization without compensation (known as the Chileanization of copper) became one of the main campaign issues. Two out of the three presidential candidates incorporated the idea into their political platforms, while the third opted for a faster version of the “negotiated nationalization”.
After socialist candidate Salvador Allende won the election, he promised to deal with the issue head-on. In fact, at the beginning of 1971, he sent Congress a project for a constitutional amendment that would allow him to nationalize outright all mines, and to transfer all present and future copper fields to the state. Congress passed this amendment on July 11, 1971, by a unanimous vote,[2] and based on it, on July 16, 1971 law 17.450 was promulgated, and became effective immediately. The event was celebrated as the Day of National Dignity (Spanish: Día de la Dignidad Nacional).[3]
In principle, there was complete agreement about the process of nationalization of the mines among all political parties represented in the Chilean Congress, as indicated by the unanimous vote that approved law 17.450” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_nationalization_of_copper
I just wornder if these people have any sense of size? Do they?
Jun 30th, 2015 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The entire GDP of the Islands are similar to the turnover of a branch of any supermaket chain in Buenos Aires. Just $100 something millions.
Not even expending their whole GDP would have any impact to any country in the region.
How can they be so brainwashed?
Well they think that with 4 typhoon and some missiles for mosquitos can take over Argentina in war, figure out...
@60
Jun 30th, 2015 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0A clue-Argentina is massively in debt.
The Falkland islands are in credit-despite their small turnover.
Argentina cannot handle their finances properly, that's why Argentina should pay the Falkland Islanders to advise them on how to run a successful economy.
Pauie 54.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fantasialand again!!
Your President tried to get the Chilean President to stop Lan flight to the Islands 2or 3 yrs ago. she was politely told NO. Your Govt then tackled Lan Airline direct - again they were politley told NO.
The only way that flight can be stopped is if Argentina itself withdraws the overflight permit - and Argentina knows very well that will attract a big lot of Intrernational Criticism and perhaps worse as you would be tearing up various IATA Treaties and International Agreements.
Your Arg Veterans Association is on record as saying they do NOT want the flights stopped.
The only way you can stop sea trade between the Islands and Uruguay is if you sink the cargo ships involved on the high seas in International waters- and even you are not dumbarsed enough to try that!
As regards elsewhere in S America - you do not have the power or the voice - it may well happen because that country sees economic benefit to its people and industry from having links with the Islands - if it sees those as being more important that a wailing screeching Arg President 0n the phone then they will open those links. It will be their choice Yes or No - it will NOT be Argentina,s choice.
Grow up and get a real life if you can.
isleteer 1 neurone
Jun 30th, 2015 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0the flights will be cancelled no doubts.
i do not agree with that, but both the oficialismo and oposición agree, and that is what counts.
and a lot more if scioli wins the elections.
with scioli in charge, forget about your dream trips to that paradise called punta arenas.
not to mention about english vessels making port calls in argentine ports.
ALL of that will be completely banned, sadly.
very very sad indeed.
thats why i always tell you, build a proper hospital.
you WILL NOT have the chance to go to that ultra cosmopolitan centre, with arguably the best clinics in the world called punta arenas.
Paulie- Why on earth would we want a cargo ship to to go to an Argentine port from here? None do and none have any need to.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain “English vessels” - its a long way from England and I am unaware of anything official such as “English vessels”?
I wish Argentina would hurry up and cancel overflights if its territory......
Jun 30th, 2015 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentineans have only been threatening this for ever.....
And still nothing......
@56 Dany Berger.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm no lawyer so perhaps you'll help me clarify a few points
“So just a few special cases can be considered ”
What is the legal definition of “special” in this case ? Who defines it ? Where is it defined ? And does the definition hae to be agreed by both sides ?
None of these cases are considered for this matter. sorry
Why can't it be considered for this matter ? Who decides ?
Doesn't matter that on the requested country in this case US is not a crime the same action commited by the offender, this is not taken into considereation.
Are both co signatories equal ?
What if the crime was committed on territory which the complainant has no authority ?
How does that work when countries often refuse to extradite individuals to other countries where the death penalty may be imposed ? If they have an MLA. What is the legal standing of such a decision ?
As to FIFA. We are all equal before the law but surely all crimes aren't equal ?
This treaties appear to be reciprocal. If you were a lawyer in the US/UK what would your defence be ? How would you expect Arg to be reciprocal ?
If Arg tries to impose this .Don't you think the safety and well being of foreign nationals,from and in any country, could be compromised ?
If there are any bona fide lawyers who read these (and you never know !!) I would be interested in their take.
@60 Dany Berger
Jun 30th, 2015 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Well they think that with 4 typhoon and some missiles for mosquitos can take over Argentina in war, figure out...”
These aircraft, the missiles and other armament installed in the FALKLAND ISLANDS are for defensive purposes. THEY WILL NEVER, EVER, BE USED FIRST! Only when Argentina makes some stupid step as they did in 1982 will these weapons be utilised. There is no threat to Argentina as long as Argentina behaves itself.
The news has said that Argentina has/will take/steal assets from at least 6, yes SIX other countries,
Jun 30th, 2015 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0let us see WHAT these 6 other countries do abt it.
@63
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the flights will be cancelled no doubts.”
What is stopping LAN flying around Argentine airspace?
“not to mention about english vessels making port calls in argentine ports.”
“So they go somewhere else-are you aware that when a ship calls in to port it pays harbour fees? But of course Argentina wants to lose money and go further down the gurgler-right?”
What about Bermudan vessels, or Scottish vessels-are they allowed in?
“with scioli in charge, forget about your dream trips to that paradise called punta arenas.”
And you can look forward to a continuing financial meltdown-mouthwatering eh?
@ 63 POLLY POLLY
Jun 30th, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“with scioli in charge, forget about your dream trips to that paradise called punta arenas.”
WTF would want to go there, it's dump and on the Atlantic coast with all that that means in terms of getting frostbite, blinded by sand or drowned in the powerful waves!
And it's full of argies!
I'd rather go to The Falkland Islands and meet some more of the lovely people who inhabit the place.
Still, you will find out in two months, won't you? Remember aviation regulations, small aircraft passengers and crew MUST wear a lifejacket. Like that will make ANY difference when the old kite you have got ditches 200 miles from anywhere. How far is the maximum glide path assuming the engine fails intact? Bets are off if the engine grenades itself and chucks the prop off!
Ha, ha, ha.
christine
Jul 01st, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
it seems you dont know a shite about geography.
punta arenas is in chilotelandia, in the estrecho de magallanes.
we argentinians have enough taste not to go to that shithole but to ushuaia.
guess you are confusing that pile of sheet called punta arenas with the magnificent punta del este, no?
@71
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we argentinians have enough taste not to go to that shithole but to ushuaia.”
Founded by the British but messed up by Argentina.Fixed that leaking sewage system yet? Or is that why tyres are burned to disguise the stink?
I am considering buying shares in the companies which are undertaking exploratory drilling in the waters of the Falkland Islands. Once I am on the registers of shareholders of these companies will I, too, be subject to the meaningless threats of Timermann? What will happen if I travel to Argentina?
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely, the investors are just as “guilty” as the executives of the various companies? If so how will Argentina be able to pursue these shareholders?
“Foreign minister Timerman told 'Tiempo Argentino' on Sunday that on Monday he will formally request that the stock exchange regulators in London and New York implement the judge's order.”
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0So far there are no reports that Timmerman has acted on his nonsensical threat. Empty?
Buy all that you want, Alejo.
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's writ doesn't run here.
@75 Where is “here”?
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Greetings!
@74 gordo1
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has Gollum requested the implementation of the judges's order yet? I'm not expecting him to, but hope he does so that we can laugh at the reply he will get.
@gordo1
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you you think will produce any harm????
Because your F35 that UK bought from US have lost in dogfight with an old 1970 aircraft.
Ha ha
@77 Friday 03/07/2015
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still no evidence that Timmerman has made a move!
Well, it's been a couple of weeks since all this started. Let's see now......
Jul 05th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The planes are still flying in from Chile.
The ship from the UK has just docked and is off-loading containers.
We're still doing fine.
No assets seized as yet and no one has approached either the UK or US governments.
Nope, money was still wasted in the RG courts and nothing changed.
Oh, and the oil is still happening.
No gunboats from RGland either.
Life goes on Paulie and Dany.
Boys this takes some time I don't know why you are so in a hurry...
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