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“An outright victory of democracy and dignity” said Cristina Fernandez on the Greek vote
Argentine President Cristina Fernández used her Twitter account on Sunday to celebrate the result of a Greek bailout referendum saying it was “an outright victory of Democracy and Dignity. The Greek people have said NO.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesChristina the day before had congratulated the Argentine football team for them FAILING to win the Copa America trophy explaining that she preferred her country to instead embrace the same philosophy of other FAILURE states like Greece,Venezuela, Zimbabwe, North Korea...
Jul 06th, 2015 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0After all, Argentinans are nothing but a nation that symbolizes failure.
(Chile beat Argentina on penalties 4-1, winning the Copa América.)
Typical Argentine stance on this. You have to pay your debts otherwise you have problems of YOUR OWN MAKING. If you borrow money you must have the means of paying it back SIMPLES.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll give the dignity part but this wasn't about democracy.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure the Greeks will see her endorsement as a vote of confidence.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0It strange she didn't adopt the same attitude when the population of the Falkland Islands voted overwhelmingly to remain a part of the UK.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0#5
Jul 06th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklanders are according to her as “non-persons” and have no rights.
@ 5 Devonian
Jul 06th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It strange she didn't adopt the same attitude when the population of the Falkland Islands voted overwhelmingly to remain a part of the UK.”
Good point but ask TMBOA to explain herself and all you would get is the screaming harpy act.
Never mind praising the Greeks....support by buying Olives from them or promote the Greek islands as a tourist destination for Argentines...flattery doesn't help much, help them to help themselves...
Jul 06th, 2015 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Voice, Being a drunk you should get a cheap package from Glasgow with the rest of the council house tenants because drink is cheap in Greece
Jul 06th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol. Lets see you hide behind democracy when the Chinese start calling in their loans.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Voice claims he owns a street. Thing is, what street? Pillock
Jul 06th, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 09
Jul 06th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FYI my consumption of alcohol is on par with your attempt at wit...virtually non-existent...
Also, you obviously haven't been to Greece...the alcohol isn't particularly cheap in tourist destinations....perhaps for a bum like yourself, I'm sure if you searched long enough for bargain booze you would find a dive that supplied it...
Your thoughts betray your social standing.....Doh!...
Well, if she thinks it’s a good thing the Greeks must have nothing to worry about.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Small countries like Slovakia as well as big ones like Germany, are just going to say:
“Here you are Stavros, have some more dosh, no strings attached”.
“You exercise your democratic rights, we’ll pay the bills”.
Real world anyone?
Speaking to some German pals the Grecians have a problem. Merkel is walking a political tightrope, most Germans are totally fed up with shelling out cash to “the Grecians”, having baled out the Ossies to reunite Germany causing serious damage to pensions etc. So Angela doesnt have much wiggle room. My moneys on some intermediate currency. Stavros couldnt be bothered to get up early and switch on the printing presses so Drachmas are out. As for buying some olives and risking a ruined holiday ;( Turnips please step this way…
Jul 06th, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The trouble with Greece is the same as Argentina they expect the world to come to their aid. Give them money, they spend it, then can't pay it back. What is wrong with these countries , we lend you mponey , you waste it and come begging for more. GET OFF YOUR ARSES AND WORK FOR A LIVING.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Out of the babble of the insane - Cretina - sometimes a certain functional philosophy spontaneously emerges.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The old Com Bloc mantra of, “If the only tool you have is a hammer treat everything like a . . . .” is one such example of desperation giving arise to a solution of a certain utilitarian elegance.
Greece like other instutions of moderate global significance is too big to not let fail, as Smithsonians have postulated.
If AIG had been allowed to implode, the repercussions of insuring against your own lack of exercise of judgement would be multigenerational in discouraging this ill advised future behavior.
The same is true of similarly positioned global reach banking houses that serve the interests of governments and institutions but not citizenry @ large.
Note: Obama has managed the the most significant post-recessionary non-recovery in the entire history of the U.S.
His interventionist policies - picking winners and losers - have limited any kind of economic expansion to the purses of only the extremely wealthy and to the detriment of the masses - domestically AND internationally.
This and previous perils teaches us to let those who choose to fail - FAIL without recourse or cushion.
The ramifications are so painful that all with a living memory will choose other paths.
And the hard bounce of hitting bottom without the effect of the energy parasitic parachute or pillow softened landing often leads to unprecented, widely shared - from a class as well as geographic perspective - economic expansion.
So, Greece probably should fail as obviously rotting roadkill and perhaps others.
And as with the Commies - it is only natural that those with common problems should align theirselves.
Those economic and behaviorally deviant states with common enemies of the IMF, WTO, UNSC, IAEA, etc. - chavezwhalia, cuber, iran, russia, etc - should band together and be ostracised.
This is all obviously beyond the comprehension of Reeeeekie and his sort. lol.
Thought Merkel purported be a “leader”. Just a bigmouth with no validity or strength. Don't forget French and German “solidarity”. Solidly selfish. In 1946 etc, the US gave billions. And the Franco/German EU gives nothing. Make them pay. Or else!
Jul 06th, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aontehr idiot Gvt. in Greece lke in Argentina.......
Jul 06th, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The probem is that people will suffer the consequences. Is the result of populist Gvts. like we are starting to feel in Chile with the Sutpid fate grandma Bachelet.....with just 1 year and 3 month into the office......
Argentine president went on to say “nobody can be asked to sign their own death certificate
Jul 06th, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strange comment, coming from the very person who wants the islanders to do just that..
Maybe she should look to the UK for a good example of responsible democracy. Labour borrowed recklessly, austerity measures were put in place to get us back on track, and what do we do in May 2015? The number of people accepting we needed to keep taking the medicine for the greater good of the country increased... Except in Scotland, but that's another story.
Jul 07th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Briton
Jul 07th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was Admiral Bing, he did get to command his own firing squad.
Does that count?
I think she is looking for an ally, she will be comparing the Elgin marbles to the Falklands soon.
Jul 07th, 2015 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only the sticking point is over a million Brits a year visit Greece for their holidays, so there won't be anything done to upset that.
21@ ha ha .
Jul 07th, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it not true that Germany did not pay off its debts after the Americans bailed it out after world war 2,
just a thought.
You can understand why Cyclops was shagging his secretary for years and years when all he had was this bat-shit mad woman to go home to.
Jul 07th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think TMBOA even outdoes Eva Peron for lack of class and she was a prostitute.
And much more realistic than this plastic one.
Jul 07th, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She should be banned from twitter. Make that applicable to Facebook as well.
Jul 08th, 2015 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is only fitting that Cristina Fernandez sends her solidarity to a country who is in conditions similar to those endured by Argentina in 2001.
Jul 08th, 2015 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0In spite of a relentless campaign and catastrophic predictions of the domestic and international media, the Greek people gave a resounding NO to further recessionary recipes such as those already applied in the last five years by the troika.
Just like Nestor Kirchner famously said, “the dead can't pay,” the Greeks need a break if they are going to emerge from the crisis. It is amazing the foolishness of Angela Merkel and the others who insist that people must somehow produce wealth to make debt payments while in the middle of a recession caused by even deeper austerity measures than those applied in the last five years leading to the current situation.
Alexis Tsipras deserve kudos for having the courage of asking the question to his people, in defiance to the massive blackmail of corporate-friendly media and hostile European governments.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekie, virtually no one cares what happens to the greeks other than the greeks and rightly so.
Jul 08th, 2015 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Jul 08th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know I did not utter a word about the World Cup games, when Argentina won or lost. Same with this Copa America.
I will say this though.
You are the most pathetic poster here. Actually with your words and attitude you actually prove and demonstrate that the real all-time loser here is just one person: you!
Here you are, not 72 hours removed of your country winning its first meaningful trophy in it's entire footballing history, some 120+ years, and you talk as if you have the won the right in this matter to even raise a finger across the mountains!!
How ridiculous and laughable can you get!
Kind of analogous to a 7 year old finally substracting 2 from 3, succeeding in getting 1, and immediately hitting up social media shaming Galileo, Newton, and Einstein for not having figured out the grand equation for a unified theory of physics.
You evince and radiate patheticalness (thanks for letting me use this nifty word), which at least makes you seem an honest person :)
(post-observation: funny how Chileans who always felt argies were arrogant and overbearing on economy and football, start acting the same exact way no sooner economic figures or football results happen to favor them. Which in the end proves they are worse than us, because they can't even learn from the 'mistakes' of others).
2c
@29
Jul 08th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are absolutely right about what a pathetic character this Chicureo turned out to be.
He's just a silly man with a huge inferiority complex that can only derive some personal sense of worth only by posting and finding approval in this forum.
I fear he will start blacklisting everybody again ... Watch out for that!!
Look @1, this is not about Chile having won the Copa, this is about you just being ... well ..., pretty much what I have just described above.
@29. “You are the most pathetic poster here.” LOL.
Jul 08th, 2015 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trolly, you and a whole lot of other rotting roadkillians would have to be banned for that to indeed be true. LOL.
In the last 6 months The Arg Govt has amassed another U$23B in debt. They now have more debt than they did in 2001 when they defaulted the time before last.
Jul 09th, 2015 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Over U$100B of debt has accrued under the Kirchner regime.
Where oh where has it gone?
Crumbling streets, overflowing sewage, constant blackouts..
Pretty soon the choice will be fuel or food
just like in Venereal
Can you indict CFK for crimes against humanity since they choose not to import HIV or Cancer drugs?
I think so..
The population continues to get dumber and poorer every year and over the 4th I spoke to a couple of very depressed Rgs desperately trying to figure out how to stay in the USA saying there is no hope for their country. They never have a choice on who they vote for since they're all corrupt.
I gave them a civics lesson they didn't want to understand
Silly people
They'll never learn.
@32
Jul 09th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aren't those Rg-idiots a lucky bunch to have you as their friend?
It must be useless ... Pearls to swine, right?
#32 YB
Jul 09th, 2015 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really!
We did not know a yankee boy had the secret to the end of all Argentine problems.
“I gave them a civics lesson they didn't want to understand,” he writes.
The Argentines will be the only to blame for not listening to the “civic lessons” of the above named yankeeboy.
Time for the people to start reading these profoundly wise postings.
Like you Reekie they didn't want to believe it was their fault for choosing very bad governments.
Jul 09th, 2015 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even though they knew it was very bad in Argentina they also didn't want to believe that this next collapse will be worse than 2001.
It will
and
I will laugh and laugh when middle class house wives are street fighting over the last bag of beans in BA,
Laugh and laugh
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2013/0426/Greece-starts-firing-civil-servants-for-first-time-in-a-century
Jul 09th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2013/0426/Greece-starts-firing-civil-servants-for-first-time-in-a-century
@29 The_troLLimpic_games
Jul 09th, 2015 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok Toby, I can’t decide, which it is that has upset you more:
Losing the match (4-1 by the way).
Or
Having Chicureo, as we say, “rub your nose in it”?
@35 yankeeboy
They didn’t want to believe your apocalyptic dooooomsday scenario for the future of their beloved country.
There’s a shock.
What on earth are these depressed people doing having HOPE.
Quite right, it was your civic duty to disabuse them of any such ideas.
I told them its better to be illegal in the USA than go back to Argentina. You'll have a better life and much more opportunity.
Jul 09th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think they're considering it.
Remember me saying the say that the Ks nationalize companies is to bankrupt them through regualaction and price control until the owner just gives up..
Well perfect example, Since YPF was stolen they raised the retail price of gas 215% all of this while the price of oil has plummeted worldwide and all of us are paying a lot less for gas.
Horrible horrible people
You heard it here first and it is indeed coming to pass: china is in trouble.
Jul 09th, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the Greeks decide is none of CFK's business.
Jul 10th, 2015 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think most people understand what's going on in China. The smoke and mirror economy is bust and they can't cover it over any longer.
Jul 10th, 2015 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I've been saying their U$3T in reserves isn't near enough to help waht ailes them.
Watch for mass civil unrest when the “middle class” finds out their bankrupted along with their parents and grandparents.
Psst China leaders, bankrupted citizens don't buy stuff. Where you thought you were going is not where you're going to end up.
And its not going to be pretty
“We Argentines understand what this is about. We hope Europe and its leaders understand the message of the polls,” she stressed.”
Jul 10th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst ignoring the referendum in the Falklands expressing the will of the people...
“The head of state then wrote: “Nobody can be asked to sign their own death certificate”
Yeah-the Falkland Islanders for a start in 2013. But it's OK to sign away your country to China.
“The words of President Kirchner still resound. At the UN General Assembly in 2003 he said: ‘The dead do not pay their debts.’”
Certainly true of the sleepwalking corpse that is Argentina.
“Venezuela president Nicolás Maduro who described the No vote as a 'great victory'.”
From an oil rich country where some hospitals can't even afford aspirin.....
@38
Jul 10th, 2015 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, there is absolutely no point in discussing how much better off they will be in the US as compared to Arg.
I want to believe that your civic lesson was about how we screwed ourselves up by electing corrupt governments and not about praising illegal immigration.
Now, without any attempt of irony on my part, illegally staying in the US can get people into trouble. The least of which would be to never be able to enter the US again.
Still, can you imagine if everybody started to seek that kind of solution? It wouldn't be practical, would it?
Some of us will have to stay here and keep trying to do the right thing in order to finally elect a decent government.
I must agree the dead do not pay their debts, so we call them “dead beats”. This lady has never shown one ounce of empathy for the thousands of elderly retired persons worldwide “who are probably dead too” and lost millions because of the Argentine default. Cristina continues to blame the past military dictatorship for her sovereign debt problems but “has she ever followed the money”? Who bought the villas in Miami, apartments in Paris and jewelry in Rome ? I am not aware of any effort from this current CFK administration because it could reveal that many in the former Argentine political power structure might just point the finger in her direction for current corruption. Honor among thieves seems to be the rule of law these days!
Jul 11th, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Easy to blame the greedy North Americans vultures for her own financial difficulties but I suggest you read The Golden Boys. Vivir en los mercados. in Spanish by Hernán Iglesias Illa to fully understand the complicity of Argentine citizens in their own 2001 death warrant . Cristina likes to take credit for democracy in Argentina and the Greeks continue to brag about inventing the concept. But they also invented “tragedy” that is currently playing out on the street of Athens to rave reviews but has cost the EU over 400 + billion euros in bail-out funding to date Alexis Tispras and his cast of characters have leading roles in this drama however they just might confuse the NO vote against the Euro with another Greek invention called “comedy”. Sound familiar Argentina, just cast Axel Kicillof for Elvis in Heartbreak Hotel add a little Tango melodrama and we might have a winner at the next Tony Awards in Hollywood. Call it her new form of democracy replacing self centered fear of the military with a delusional monarch who supports a long term political and economic model that just failed in Greece. Could anyone possibly believe this person who continues to rant on about her non- accomplishments and courts very dangerous friends like Iran !!!
WHAT DIGNITY IS.
Jul 12th, 2015 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that perhaps this is not the right place to talk about this issue, but i know that not all people here are mediocre or reactionary.
All those rabbles who often underestimate our countries, won't never understand what dignity is, because for them, a country has dignity, when it's submitted to the caprices and to the geopolitical interests of the most powerful nations of the world, however sometimes, reality shows something too different from what those cretins think.
Some people who have good faith, commit the mistake of comparing the actual situation of the greeks, with the one that we suffered in 2001, while it is true that the social consecuences that greek people are going through now, are similar to those that we had 14 years ago, the reasons why Tsiprass's government decided to implement restrictions to take the money out of the banks, are absolutly different from those that the administration of two sons of a bitch like Cavallo and De la Rua had, when the implemented the so called corralito. Actualy they did it because they needed to make a hard cut, with the purpose of keeping the convertibility plan, but in the case of greeks, the government took that decision, because it wants to avoid a new cut. In fact, there is still a relevant number of the greek population that supports Tsiprass's administration, which is absolutly different from what happened in 2001, when De la Rua had to renounce, after huge manifestations, and hard repressions that killed more than 30 people in 2 days.
Perhaps Tsiprass can become the new Nestor Kirchner, the man who could restructurate our debt, which was something that helped us so much, to build a better nation, despite all the big challenges that we still have in social terms.
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Jul 12th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Awww, someone give a violin.
Axel has again moved to being the dumbest poster on the board. Its been quite a toss up lately but yet again he's the leader of the board.
Jul 12th, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silly stupid Kidiot.
He needs to be vigorously reeducated.
Blame the weak for their misfortune. Court the powerful. Praise an unfair system that concentrates wealth in few hands; such is the mark of little people who do not have a clue of what the word “dignity” means.
Jul 12th, 2015 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What will KFC have to say when Tsipras signs up for another bunch of austerity and bank loans? It's all very well asking the folks back home what they would like, but the reality is far less exciting. Whatever Greece decides, they will be faced with the inevitability of a failing economy. And KFC won't be doing anything about it.
Jul 12th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 048. There's no dignity in lying cheating and stealing othere people's money
Jul 12th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said it once and will say it again,
Jul 12th, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Europe wont let Greece go,
I also think that the Eu will pull another rabbit from the hat before Wednesday,
that is the time limited we all herd on TV today, as this may well be extended,
They have even manipulated the words to allow Greece to temporality leave the EURO Zone, just to save face, if Greece did slip out,
what ever the outcome the Greek people will hopefully decide correctly,
every decision has a consequence,
We will have to wait and see what happens, either way, someone will be picking up the bill..
@45
Jul 12th, 2015 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're confusing dignity with pride, there's precious little dignity in spinning another countries misfortune to try to justify one's own incompetence. Greece is in a lot of trouble, they're a poor country with few resources per capita and recent economic events have hit them hard and put them in a tough position. Argentina has no such excuse, you've got more resources of the entire Eurozone, you should be a serious global superpower but look at where you've ended up....pride Axel, and empty pride at that, not much dignity to be seen there.
Axel ane most Rgs don't know the difference...
Jul 13th, 2015 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A proud person could be either genuinely self-confident or falsely arrogant, a new review of studies finds. The results showed people tend to link pride either with accomplishment and confidence, which the authors term authentic pride, or they connected it with self-aggrandizement and arrogance, called hubristic pride.
Well, well! KFC was wrong yet again!!
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