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Falklands: Ambassador Castro hopes for UK/Argentina friendly and meaningful dialogue
The Embassy of Argentina in the UK celebrated Independence Day on Thursday, highlighting the importance of national sovereignty and Latin American unity. Before a packed audience of over four hundred people, the Argentine Ambassador Alicia Castro delivered a speech in which she recalled that the aim of the struggle for independence was to unite all the peoples of Latin America. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGott is an English “cypayo”!
Jul 11th, 2015 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gott is also a chavista apologist, although just like Seamus Milne, he has gone awfully quiet on Venezuela recently.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0She can hope all she likes, there is nothing to discuss, the islands are not part of Argentina and will never be.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gott is a lefty supporter of Argentinian colonialism. Their invasion failed, their soldiers ran away, were captured and thrown out. Are they seeking further humiliation?
Jul 11th, 2015 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mein Gott, not that pimelkopf Gott again.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another Oxygen-Thief.
He should be sent to the Russian Front immediately, schnell.
“We hope this year’s celebrations will serve to bring the UK and Argentina even closer together.”
Jul 11th, 2015 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even closer??? Even closer??
You have to wonder what sort of addictive medication this woman is on.
Ok then Ms Castro, I'll get you started on how The UK and Argentina can become even closer together.
1/ Give back the lands you stole to their rightful owners. All Argentinians are, after all, an implanted population.
2/ Get a new government instead of being ruled over by some Mafia crime syndicate wannabe
3/ give up your illegal claim on The Falkland Islands.
There. when you've done all that Ms Castro please, please, PLEASE will you f**k off. And when you get there, f**k off some more.
Lots of love
from the UK
I will post this once again :-)
Jul 11th, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Those who went to Patagonia went of there own free will and have been willing to be part of Argentina, The Islanders also went to the Falklands of there own free will and they wish to remain associated with the UK. That is the BIG difference.”
As for talks Tinman had the opportunity when he was last in London and refused! So who is it who wont talk LOL
Che Guevara was a murdering communist bastard.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is not right that two British traitors should be given awards by an enemy here in our own country.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile, Ms Castro, you already have a friendly and meaningful dialogue with the UK. Argieland has DEMANDED that the UK give the Falkland Islands to your “country”. We've smiled in friendly fashion and given you a meaningful response. We've said “No.” There you are. Friendly and absolutely chock full of meaning.
Gott is a self-acknowledged agent of the KGB. The fact that he was of no use to them may be an aggravating factor or an ameliorating one.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Birds of a feather flock together.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Avoidance.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill:
Fixation on a trivial detail in avoidance of a significant responsibility is a classic pathology associated with psychotic behavior.
Asserting a non-existant, unattainable claim against the Falklands is an order of magnitude of less importance than dealing with rotting roadkill's:
ingrained, institutional corruption pervasive in all aspect of rotting roadkillian society
dealing with an unsustainable level of social entitlements
correcting institutional defects in the local allocation of resources
eliminating trade protectionism
settling rotting roadkill's accounts - foreign and domestic
etc.
“the Argentine Ambassador Alicia Castro delivered a speech in which she recalled that the aim of the struggle for independence was to unite all the peoples of Latin America.”
Jul 11th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did Castro just pull that out of her arse? Since when was the struggle for independence a unifying concept?
The degree to which the Argies and their Latam brothers will go to to distort ideals to fit their agenda is staggering.
Pizza or chicken proves yet again how unsuited, uneducated and personally reprehensible she is to be a Diplomat, even with the very low standards expected of The Dark Country.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She should be removed as a persona non grata.
@14
Jul 11th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What. and lose the comedy value?
She should be kicked out before she takes it upon herself to invite CFK to wales to inspect her new subjects.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps the embasidor will invite her to speak in the new argentine british parliament,
after all, if you give these fools the impression they can do what they like,
then they will.
just saying like.
Never heard of Gott before. Probably never hear about him again.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Treason, that's all.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The history of the Welsh community in Patagonia is a fine example of integration and harmony with the Argentine state. It is a triumph for the government of Chubut province, and the Welsh and Argentine governments. It is a story of cooperation, fraternity and solidarity”, the Lord stated.”
Jul 11th, 2015 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especially when some of their number were sent to fight our boys in 1982.
“We hope this year’s celebrations will serve to bring the UK and Argentina even closer together. Should this happen, it would be very well received by the Welsh community on both sides of the Atlantic”, the British politician declared.”
Except that the Welsh community on this side of the Atlantic don't have to speak in Spanish, and there are signs in Welsh in Wales.
Isn't this what the Argentine Welsh went out to get, but they are more likely to get what they wanted, in.....21st century Wales.
Must have been tough to hold such ceremony in the one country on Earth that has tried multiple times to deny or crush our independence.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is there an embassy in that place baffles me.
@ 20 And thus spake the troglodite of Mendoza whose Word is lore!
Jul 12th, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trolly:
Jul 12th, 2015 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0No one that counts gives a rat's ass about your “independence” - including russia and china.
I am surprised that John Wilson is so prominent in this piece - he and Gott have very little in common.
Jul 12th, 2015 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20
Jul 12th, 2015 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Must have been tough to hold such ceremony in the one country on Earth that has tried multiple times to deny or crush our independence. ”
The ceremony wasn't held in Spain.
I suppose Gott had to find an alternative, it's not like he can still dine out on the KGB expense account any more...
Jul 12th, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20. You're a funny girl. Ever checked your history? Britain has NEVER tried to deny or crush independence in argieland. See, argieland didn't “legitimately” exist until 1863. Until then any British action was directed at a spanish colony. Just how many times did spain try to get its territory back?
Jul 12th, 2015 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Britain felt that it was only reasonable to assist another European power against filthy, rebellious colonists. 200 years and the filthy, rebellious colonists haven't changed much.
Perhaps there's an embassy in the hope that a few crumbs will drop from the table. Crumbs from the table of an economy at least THREE times the size of that of argieland. Crumbs from the table of an economy with an inflation rate of -0.1%. 15.3% in argieland.
Please keep your head up your arse. You're so funny. Bet you even “think” you're human! More like a lab rat actually.
26...Kissoff just confirmed that inflation is actually 30%. My my, who has been lying?
Jul 12th, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 026. Now double that amount for a more accurate figure. Remember:
Jul 12th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reeeekie writes: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/05/15/cristina-fernandez-comes-out-strongly-in-defense-of-minister-kicillof
Argentina is desperate, CFK is even more desperate for that elusive victory before she become a footnote in history,
Jul 12th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the only thing Argentina will achieve before she goes,
is which way, she Will actually go...lol
29 Briton
Jul 12th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“CFK is even more desperate for that elusive victory before she become a footnote in history”
I know what it will say:-
1 more failed Peronist who led argentina down the failed route of Peronism.
Maybe Chavez trolly Dolly will go with her.
Jul 12th, 2015 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What this obviously argentine sourced article fails to say is that there were slow handclaps throughout the speech , Alicia could hardly be heard because most people were speaking amongst themselves and at least 50 got up and walked out .
Jul 13th, 2015 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Considering it was a hand picked audience , I would call that a big fail .
I can report that the food and wine were first class , however .
Gott is a traitor admittidly a minor crap traitor but one never the less.
Jul 13th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most argentinans are embarrsed by the whole falklands thing its 400 miles away british as a british thing and the junta launched possibly the most incompetant military campaign ever to capture it.
argentina should have a lot going for it its just its leaders have been corrupt and arrogant with a side order of incompetance it looked an amazing country on top gear just a pity about some of the people.
Martin @ 33
Jul 13th, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you lived next door, you'd see the warts. My impression is that Argentines nowadays are more embarrassed by their own armed forces, especially since they did away with the “colimba” (compulsory national service). Most are not fanatical about the so-called “Malvinas” issue and think the present government, like Galtieri's junta, is using it to keep people's minds off more pressing problems. Nevertheless, most sincerely believe the line they have been fed by successive governments for generations, the “Malvinas Argentinas”.
Geographically, parts of the country are extremely beautiful.
I refuse to get closer to Argieland until they grow up and leave the Falklands alone.
Jul 13th, 2015 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For similar reason I won't buy anything Spanish
Another great post people,
Jul 13th, 2015 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and again the argy argument fails..
“ Castro hopes for UK/Argentina friendly and meaningful dialogue”
Jul 13th, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina: We demand the Malvinas.
UK: You already have the Malvinas in your hearts, we'll hang onto the Falklands.
Islanders: We want to stay British.
UK: Islanders want to stay British. This time next year?
Cue the next several million years until the sun turns into a red dwarf-=Argies land before they are fried (setting off their mines)and the rest of the planet has escaped....
The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Jul 14th, 2015 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38 To whom or to what?
Jul 14th, 2015 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Hepatia,
Jul 14th, 2015 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will cease to exist within the next 25 years.
@38
Jul 14th, 2015 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will be returning Santa Cruz and Ushuaia to the Falkland Islands within the next 25 years.
34 ynsere (#)
Jul 14th, 2015 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 13th, 2015 - 04:33 pm
...“Nevertheless, most sincerely believe the line they have been fed by successive governments for generations, the “Malvinas Argentinas”.”...
Actually ynsere, I don't think that most of us believe the Malvinas Myth, I believe that the percentage would be somewhere around 30%, the same as the hardline kirchnerists and peronists.
Most of us really don't think about the Falklands unless we are reading about them in the newspapers and then we mostly feel “Oh God not again, what is the government trying to put over now, and how much will it coest us!”
38 Hepatia
Jul 14th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering, that for the past two years you have been saying this rubbish, and in all that time still have not reduced the time that has past,
as it ever occurred to you that if you continue on this path of diluteness, in 25 years time, that will be 2040, you will be saying that the Falkland's will be retuned in 25 years time, and so on..
as crazy horse would have stated, you speak with fork tongue..lol
Simon @ 42
Jul 14th, 2015 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your opinion, I hope you're right. Unfortunately, I still have reason to think a majority of Argentines believe the Malvinas Myth. This does not mean that they necessarily agree with the government's use of it, or that they're particularly interested. My point is that any future government will be able to make use of the fable.
@44 @42
Jul 15th, 2015 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Truth of the matter (and I totally concur with Simon's point of view) is that many people also talks about “Malvinas Argentinas” because they've just never really thought about it.
So, ynsere, I'm sure you will come across many Argentines that will just repeat like parrots what they've been wrongfully taught in elementary school. But let me take this controversy a bit further:
There are 3 scenarios in which Argentine thoughts about Malvinas would fall:
1. The hardline historical ranters that hate Britain because they were taught to do so in the 40's and 50's and have passed on some kind of peronist impromptu over their kids. (15 %)
2. The ones that, oh well, don't really know shit about history, and think that Argentina might have some rights over the Falklands (because of (1)) *but* ultimately think that the cause is worthless or that it is too late anyway to do anything about it, so they would rather direct their efforts to more productive enterprises and leave Malvinas alone. (50%)
3. The rest of us who actually have thought it out and have yet to be convinced by any ranters in (1) that there is actually some claim to be made. Also, it is pretty hard for us in this group to actually question the myth in public because either (1) or (2) might -just for the sake of it- call us anti-patriotic scum. (35%)
Hope this helps.
Tarquin @ 45
Jul 15th, 2015 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your outline of the three groups. I think you're probably right, but I fear that group Nº 1 is much greater than the 30% originally mentioned by Simon @ 42.
Do you think it would be possible for Argentina to remove the “Malvinas sovereignty” statement from its constitution? What would happen if a politician in group 3 suggested a referendum?
@46
Jul 15th, 2015 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I promise you I have not taken those figures out of “INDEC” but my own sampling over the last 25+ years (fuck man!! I'm that old already!!). The “Malvinas” clause in the Argentine constitution is a shame. However it server its purpose as a last resort pressure security valve.
It'll take at least an entire generation to reform that, but help is on its way.
As of now, no politician in group 3 would dare to bring up this issue.
During the nineties, most people didn't talk about Malvinas. Believe me, there is hope that people in group #2 will totally forget the myth if we gather the balls to elect and later support a government that makes sense.
Tarquin @ 47
Jul 15th, 2015 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0A very interesting analysis and again, I think you're probably right. Time will determine whether your figures are right.
Former Uruguayan President Mujica, in one of his more lucid moments, said that Uruguay would not truly forget the violence in the country's so-called recent history “hasta que se haiga muerto el último viejo” (until the last old man has died). I hope there will come a time when Argentina too is able to forget the “Malvinas” thing, and make the Falklands an equal partner in peaceful and respectful prosperity. It'll take a long time, and I doubt whether I'll be around to see it.
However, the Falklands and Brits must not forget. They'll have to keep up their present vigilance, perhaps long after the last old man kicks the bucket.
@38 Hepatia : And will China be returning Neuquen in 50 years ?
Jul 15th, 2015 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0ynsere and Tarquin Fin:
Jul 15th, 2015 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am in complete agreement with Tarquin, and I honestly believe that the only thing necessary to end the Malvinas Myth is for Argentina to become part of the global economy again and to return to her rightful prosperity. The only reason the Myth exists is because our ridiculous politicians make such a mess of our economy that the need the Myth to take our minds off the disasters they cause.
With a sane, strong and HONEST government made up of both opposition AND governing party working together things COULD change for the better, but at 86 years old I certainly wont see it happen!!!!!!!!!!
50 Simon68,
Jul 15th, 2015 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and Tarquin too,
Thanks for sharing your perspectives with us who don't live there, and have to sift through the propaganda and lies.
I wouldn't be so optimistic regarding Malvinas. In Argentina, the official history is as true as two plus two equals four and the earth is round, and is part of our national identity. I don't see that changing for at least 100 years even if we are integrated to the global economy. And I don't see the claim going away either, even if we don't get anywhere and people don't care. It would be seen as shameful to take away the claim.
Jul 15th, 2015 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 I would say there are 40% in group 1, 50% in group 2 and 10% or even less in group 3. To question groups 1 and 2 is a heresy even nowadays and most people would never believe the British over our own country so I doubt there are a lot of people in group 3.
@52 MagnusMaster
Jul 16th, 2015 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In Argentina, the official history is as true as two plus two equals four and the earth is round, and is part of our national identity.” Is that as you, personally, consider the official history?
If affirmative I invite you to peruse this link http://www.falklands.gov.fk/assets/False-Falklands-History-at-the-United-Nations.pdf
@52
Jul 16th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In Argentina, the official history is as true as two plus two equals four and the earth is round,”
Like the bit where Argentina say that in 1833 everybody got kicked off and replaced with Englishmen, when in fact HMS Tyne and HMS Clio left no settlers whatsoever , leaving the majority who chose to stay under British rule of South American origin (including Uruguayan Indians), and including French, German, Irish and Jamaican nationalities, but at the time no Englishmen? (Pinedo's English sailors were kicked off, remember?).
@54 Yup, like that bit. If you say that in Argentina you can get sent to a nuthouse like the people from the Flat Earth Society.
Jul 17th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argentine population are seemingly infected with an obsessive compulsive disorder. To borrow partly from Sir Winston Churchill.
Jul 18th, 2015 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0An argentine lusting & coveting after the territory of a neighbour is like a dog infected with rabies.
How long must the people of the south Atlantic have to put up with such swaggering obnoxious fascist behaviour? Surely argentina should have learned from its hiding in 1982? This is after all the 21st century?
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