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Falklands' oil industry: Mercosur special declaration in support of Argentina's Malvinas dispute
The latest Mercosur summit, held last week in Brazil included a special statement, --besides the main regular declaration with 69 articles--, blasting the UK for violating international law and Argentine domestic law over the exploration of hydrocarbons “in the Argentine continental shelf in proximity of the Malvinas Islands”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesEngland, the world's most shameless thief, is having a hard time to conduct business as usual.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a lot of hot air has been produced at this meeting of Mercosur. Why don't they concentrate on their own failing alliance?
Jul 21st, 2015 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Marcus, the population of the FALKLANDS have existed longer than the country called Argentina actually existed, do you not know your own history or only what you were taught ( I use the word “ taught ” loosely ) in kindergarden.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine continental shelf. PMSL at that one!!!!!!!!
Jul 21st, 2015 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where's it stop?
Africa!
Marcos, how exactly does yet another pointless and useless declaration prevent anybody, let alone the UK, from doing business?
Jul 21st, 2015 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing has changed, as usual. Your time would be better spent lobbying the Argentine Govenment to take it's case to the ICJ. Wake me up if and when they do.
@4 reality check,
Jul 21st, 2015 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comedy hour at its best.
Argentine continental shelf, indeed!
The governments of Angola & Namibia must be very worried, not!
These malvinistas do take themselves seriously.
But no one else does.
lts really all our fault, we should have finished the job in 1982, instead of letting the sore fester like it has.
l think a future Argentine invasion should be promptly lanced(like a boil)at its source.
Argentina, as it is, ensures that we never have peace.
Great for Argentinean domestic consumption.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 03 & 10 covers continental shelves and territorial waters:
https://www.academia.edu/12231343/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims_Part_II
If Argentina has so much support and the law on its side, why can't Argentina stop the oil exploration.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why!!!!!!!
Why???????
C'mon Marcos, I know you're a simpleton but it can't be that difficult.
“England, the world's most shameless thief, is having a hard time to conduct business as usual.”
Jul 21st, 2015 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0While Argentina, who has failed twice to steal sovereignty over British territory, sinks to the level of lying to their neighbours.
“Finally the declaration ... firmest support for Argentina's legitimate rights over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces”
Kind of a non-issue, as it's pretty much undisputable that Argentina has *no* legitimate rights over the British Falklands and their dependencies.
“...resume negotiations with Argentina, to achieve in the shortest time possible a peaceful and definitive solution to the dispute...”
Excellent. There are two ways we can acheive a peaceful, definitive solution that is fair to all parties involved, and quickly, too:
Option one is for Argentina to take the case to the ICJ. They are the only international body who can rule on sovereignty disputes. Of course, we'd have to have assurances Argentina won't illegally declare the decision “null and void”, as they did with the Beagle Channel Island dispute in 1977.
Option two is the quickest solution that is fair and just for all sides. Argentina immediately admits they've lied about the Falklands from the start, relinquish forever all claims to the Falklands and their dependencies (including removing their illegitimate claim in their constitution), removes all opposition to the recognition of the Falklands' decolonisation, and apologises to all involved for their conduct.
However, that would require a moral integrity that is either lacking or politically unwise in Argentina's government.
Those are the two quickest and most fair resolutions to this dispute, and yet Argentina refuses to consider either.
It is *not* Britain who refuses to seek fair and just resolutions to this dispute, that may not be disputed.
More pathetic whimpering from a failed state and their crappy mates.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britannia still rules.the waves in the South Atlantic.
The moment I read this I was overcome by a calm wave of cynicism .“Special” meaning Ethno political . “Special” statement,“Special” decelerations. It all amounts to the same thing doesn't it ? Seriously; Who do you think you're kidding here ?
Jul 21st, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - and have you asked Brazil then about the onshore exploration blocks they have allocated to one of these nasty evil thieving companies you witter on about/
Jul 21st, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know as well as I do that this statement is just a lot of meaningless HOT AIR from Mercosur to appease pathetic little Argentina and keep them quiet - it means nothing and it changes nothing- you know it- I know it - the world knows it.
@1. Tell us, Markie, did you choose your “name” in tribute to that well-known liar and traitor, Alejandro Betts?
Jul 21st, 2015 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I counted that there are a minimum of NINE lies or irrelevancies in this “Special Declaration”. Don't you have something new? But argieland is getting desperate now, isn't? And it must be feeling a bit sick when it remembers that Nestor K. tore up agreements that meant argieland would have got a share. It's one of things about gambling. Let's say argieland might have got a 50% share. But he gambled that he could throw his dolly out of his pram and get the rest of south america to help him to get 100%. Not a lot different to Galtieri & Co. And now argieland can look forward to getting NOTHING. Can't you just imagine the FPSOs floating around in the ocean, oil tankers going alongside to load already processed product and then sailing away. To sell to markets all around the world. After a few years, during which drilling continues, it just moves on to the next productive well. I expect the Royal Navy already has plans for deployments of destroyers, frigates and submarines to deter pirates.
Mercosur is a disgrace since it got highjacked by TMBOA and her sex toy, Chubby Chavez and changed from a trade body to a political one.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is supposed to be a free trade association but has never even managed that among it's own members due again to TMBOA who well and truly fucked up her own pathetic country in the process.
Raygun Ronnie Reagan was 'the nigger in the woodpile' to use a well known American saying, bleating The Blessed Margaret into letting the argie cretins get away without paying restitution OR dealing a death blow to the infrastructure used on the mainland to wage war against the Falklands. It does make you wonder how advanced his mental degradation was while he was still in office. Some always said it was Nancy who called the shots: she got that one badly wrong.
The present bunch of no-hopers 'running' The Dark Country have enough sense (and no physical ability to wage another war) to keep their 'resistance' to the truth that the islands are a BOT to spouting high-speed Jibber-Jabber to any poor sod who will 'listen'.
If only they made a serious attempt at storming the islands again we could finish it for once and all: cruise missiles and laser guided munitions could do the job without any UK casualties and the minimum of argie civilians though The Pink Whorehouse would be dust.
“included a special statement, --besides the main regular declaration with 69 articles--”
Jul 21st, 2015 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Special statement',' special declaration'
' ratify their standing interest' ' shortest time possible'
'Group of 77 plus China; Olade, Aladi, Krusty the Clown'
Argentina: talk, talk, talk, all talk no do!
” in violation of international law and Argentine domestic law”,
Jul 21st, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With no reference to the international law meant to have been broken, but regarding Argentine domestic law, yes we're waiting with baited breath for the Argentine police to sail to the Falklands and arrest the oil workers.
No good having another declaration -send out the Argentine police and show us what you are made of.
Meanwhile at NML:Mr Singer, the British are giving us intelligence reports that the Argentine police are sailing down to those rigs in the Falkland Islands in the Liberturd to carry out that possession order from that Argy judge .
Singer: Get on to the Director of Civil Aviation down there and fire up the jet.
The drilling platform is not “in the Argentine continental shelf” as it is engaged clearly in Falklands waters. As the ICJ has declared “...the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own ”continental shelves,“” p.74
Jul 21st, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine... By Roberto C. Laver
“...UK in violation of international law and Argentine domestic law” The UK is not in violation of any known international law, and Argentine domestic law has no jurisdiction outside it's territory. ”...support for Argentina's legitimate rights over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces..“ It must be the worlds shortest support as Argentina has no known legitimate claim under international law. The following ”resolutions and declarations” are mere advisements, inconsequential political chaff.
Argentina's friends come out with another meaningless statement of support for Argentina to add to the pile.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile the Falkland Islands go from strength to strength under British sovereignty, and the people remain free.
England remains an obstacle to the peace of America. This is shameful, and it is also its history of invasions, wars, looting and genocide.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To the last alternative is military. And then Argentina will not be alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq8MRs0t2sQ
@19: “England remains an obstacle to the peace of America”
Jul 21st, 2015 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not true. Argentina walked out of talks last time.
As I've posted above, there are two ways to resolve this fairly and peacefully. Argentina refuses both reasonable options, and good-faith negotiation.
“To the last alternative is military. And then Argentina will not be alone.”
And nor will we. Our cause is just. Argentina may not say the same.
If you get to that point. We will withdraw the islanders to the mainland. The islands will be uninhabited. No property will be confiscated. All agreements will be fulfilled. However, the islands will be uninhabited for 10 years, or until negotiations are initiated.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If England want to war will have to invade America.
the thing is that it is not only mercosur who supports argentina in this issue, but the whole latin america, including the u.s., the whole africa, russia, china, and the rest of asia, and of course most of europe.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0everybody understands that having an english military base in our splendorous mar argentino is an offense, per se.
now, add to that, that the english pirates are stealing the oil of our continental shelf.
the result is that the whole world repudiates them.
as i said, the consequence will be more and more isolation for the islets.
in the most radical way.
and finally, it seems these benny-hillbillies dont know a shite neither about geography nor about geology.
“The Patagonian or Argentine Shelf is part of the South American continental shelf belonging to the Argentine Sea on the Atlantic seaboard, south of about 35°S. It adjoinins the coasts of Uruguay, Argentina and the Falkland - Malvinas Islands.”
@22
Jul 21st, 2015 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0retard, you know nothing about international law.
@21:
Jul 21st, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...the islands will be uninhabited for 10 years, or until negotiations are initiated.”
Kind of a harsh demand considering that there are two far quicker and more reasonable ways to resolve the situation, which would be fair for all parties.
Given that Argentina refuses to even negotiate in good faith, well...
“We will withdraw the islanders to the mainland... If England want to war will have to invade America.”
What you describe could be accurately deemed a military invasion of British territory followed by taking the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands hostage.
If such a thing happens, it wouldn't be Britain who wants a war.
Given that during their last occupation, the Argentine Junta planned to ship Islanders to the mainland, possibly to be murdered, do you think they will go quietly?
If the UNSC once again makes a *binding* Resolution demanding the release of your hostages and to return them to the Falkland Islands, would you comply?
What you're suggesting seems less like a “last alternative” and more like state-sponsored terrorism.
23 imbecile
Jul 21st, 2015 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you dont know a shite about international law or geography or geology or history or about anything.
another consequence of having attended the pork stanley community school, i guess.
@19. Where did you lose your marble? “England remains an obstacle to the peace of America. This is shameful, and it is also its history of invasions, wars, looting and genocide.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To the last alternative is military. And then Argentina will not be alone.”
I quite agree. Latam can take its own part in nuclear obliteration.
@21. “If you get to that point. We will withdraw the islanders to the mainland. The islands will be uninhabited. No property will be confiscated. All agreements will be fulfilled. However, the islands will be uninhabited for 10 years, or until negotiations are initiated.
If England want to war will have to invade America.”
Sorry, how are corpses going to withdraw the islanders?
@22. Check yourself into a psychiatric facility as soon as possible. Your sort of psychosis can lead to unfortunate consequences.
Where did you get the idea that you had a “splendorous mar argentino”. Let me give you a clue. Take the Mediterranean Sea. Can you find me a country called Mediterranean, Medi, Terranean. It's just a name.
Note that all inhabited islands have their own “continental shelves”. A small matter of the Law of the Sea.
Glad about the “isolation” of OUR Islands. Did you intend to make it clear that the “Patagonian or Argentine Shelf is part of the South American continental shelf belonging to the Argentine Sea on the Atlantic seaboard, south of about 35°S. It adjoins the coast of .........the Falkland.......Islands.” See, your silly little shelf only adjoins. It doesn't “include”. So piss off from OUR land and OUR waters.
@25. Cretin. Twirl your arse on that spike. See if it'll let in enough sense to avoid your annihilation. Did you know that, every time you type another one of your filthy comments, I become convinced that argieland must be obliterated. I'd call you a disgusting creature, but that would be an insult to “creatures”. You aren't even human. Slither back into your cesspit/sewer abyss.
@22 cara de dos ortos podridos
Jul 21st, 2015 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't know a s---e about international law or geography or geology or history or about anything.
another consequence of having attended infants school in a Third World country. I guess, where your education ceased!
Considering your navy is rusting away you expect somebody else to fight for you?
Jul 21st, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While the Royal navy has the most modern attack subs on the planet and the aircraft carriers are coming along with stealth jets a modern jet fighter based on the island a serious upgrade to the SAM system the superb type 45 air defence destroyer.
The British can bring a fromidable high intensity fleet to the fight latin america cant on paper and wont in practice Argentina just doesnt have that relationship with the rest of south america.
boludo @28
Jul 21st, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lets see
“While the Royal navy has the most modern attack subs on the planet...blablabla.”
meanwhile in the real world...
“Revealed: Shock 'Code Red' safety report on British nuclear subs as fleet is hit by leaking, cracked reactors and lack of trained staff”
and
“Nuclear submarine's nine radioactive leaks in 12 years
The Ministry of Defence has admitted that nuclear submarines have leaked radioactive material into water nine times in the last 12 years.”
and
”Trident Whistleblower:
Nuclear 'Disaster Waiting to Happen'
WikiLeaks release: May 17, 2015
https://wikileaks.org/trident-safety/Trident-Nuclear-Safety.pdf
@29
Jul 21st, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus Christ I knew you were dumb. They are a darn sight better than yours that rollover and play dead in harbour.
@29 cara de dos ortos podridos
Jul 21st, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again and again - date and source of your information, please. Wikipedia doesn't count as even I can manipulate that!
Boludo - another example of your total lack of education.
Paul, I hate to admit it but the UK has better subs than the USA. Thank goodness they're strongly aligned with us :)
Jul 21st, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ all the malvinistas on this forum:-
Jul 21st, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Continental Shelf
The ICJ North Sea Continental Shelf cases rejected any proximity type approach and argued that the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental shelf, Article 1, supported by the Law of the Sea, Article 76, does not support the view that states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf and laid down the doctrine that islands had their own continental shelves. The PCA Eritrea/Yemen award stated, “there is a strong possibility that islands within the 12-mile coastal belt will belong to the coastal state…But there is no presumption outside the coastal belt.”
Territorial Waters/EEZ
It is a well-established practice, accepted as law that title over the natural resources is to follow that over territory; accordingly the sovereign subject enjoys the exclusive right to dispose of the natural wealth of the area which it exercises sovereignty.
UN Stockholm Declaration, 1972, Principle 21, and the UN Rio Declaration 1992, Principle 2, Declarations on the Human Environment
But my guess is that the RG continental plate ends, in the east at the pointy bit of the southern tip of India and, to the west, the pointy bit of the southern bit of India. They mus be pretty annoyed at an implanted population just to the west of their claim - Chile, and to the north, Uruguay and Brazil.
@22: Paulie, “dont know a shite neither about geography nor about geology”. Back to you, you dick. It would appear that along with a lack of understanding of international law, you also know fuck all about geology and geography. As we keep pointing out to you, there is no such thing as the Argentine Sea - just because you write it, it doesn't make it true.
The Falkland Islands are on a tectonic plate, completely separate of the south American and African plates, sandwiched between the two. It has been that way since the break-up of Pangaea, which happened before RGland happened along.
@29. This may come as a surprise to you, but British nuclear submarines sail all around the world. By the example of 1982, Royal Navy crews are 100 times more courageous than argie slobs. Now just imagine a British Royal Navy submarine reactor exploding on the southern shore of the River Plate. I'm sure that the Royal Navy crew will be happy at the immolation of 3 million scum.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Paul;ie- Wow - so now US backs Argentina,s claim!!!!!!!!!! Since when?
Jul 21st, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please tell me what date and which US Govt official said so?
Also - if it is true - then how do you explain a US - yes American - Oil Company currently drilling offshore here, has been in the Islands for over 2 years and plans to stay here?
Please answer this one.
Once again a suggestion - switch on brain before opening mouth and inserting both feet! Oh sorry - forgot - being an dumbo you have feet and mouth - but not the other item.
cedron paul, burro, you are a complete retard.
Jul 21st, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even worse that that dipshit, brasileiro.
Still, you pair give us reason to laugh & insult you.
Without you, l'd have no one to joust with.
Marcos is a damp squib & Think has turned into an emasculated Voice.
Keep it up, Gago, but just remember that its OUR Oil & you ain't agonna get none of it.
Voted with the UK in 2008 with respect to self determination:
Jul 21st, 2015 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In favour: Albania, Algeria, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Belize, Botswana, Bulgaria, Burundi, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Guyana, Haiti, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Saint Lucia, Samoa, San Marino, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovenia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, United States, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
Voted with Argentina:
Against: Argentina, Belarus, Bolivia, Brazil, Central African Republic, Chile, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Mauritius, Mexico, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Russian Federation, Senegal, Spain, Suriname, Syria, Tunisia, Uruguay, Venezuela, Viet Nam.
Let's see...what did Paulie say...
“all of Africa”.....Botswana, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Kenya etc etc
“All of Asia”......Bangladesh, Pakistan, Singapore
“USA”......nope voted with Us
“Most of Europe”.......wrong again.
In fact out of the 40 who voted with the Argies, delete the 22 “Latin” countries, and your left with 18, the likes of Syria, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea....
LOL..
The cretin Paul cedron hasn't got a clue.....
@35: Nice one, Islander1!!! “switch on brain before opening mouth”, surely the starter on that is “first, find brain”! Bless him!
Jul 21st, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Mum always told me not to mock the afflicted! But I've always found it fun! :-)
lets start with...
Jul 21st, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the imbecile @ 35, isleteer 1 neurone
read and learn, you benny-hillbilly
“Obama Administration Backs Argentina Over U.K. on Falkland Dispute
Judson Berger
By Judson BergerPublished June 10, 2011FoxNews.com”
read and learn, you benny-hillbilly
“The Obama administration knifes Britain in the back again over the Falklands
By Nile Gardiner World Last updated: January 20th, 2012”
read and learn, you benny-hillbilly
“ Obama administration not neutral on Falkland Islands
Far from remaining neutral, under Obama’s leadership the U.S. has started backing Argentina’s calls for Falklands talks”
following with the imbecile @33
PeDo
“The Falkland Islands are on a tectonic plate, completely separate of the south American and African plates, sandwiched between the two.”
lol
can you be more retard and burro?
i strongly doubt it.
read and learn, AND WATCH THE MAPS, benny-hillbilly
Atlas of the Patagonian Sea
Continental Shelf
http://atlas-marpatagonico.org/spaces/26/continental-shelf.htm
rest of the imbeciles
you are even more retard than these two.
you do not deserve any answer
@39: Paulie, I feel slighted! I was hoping for at least a Beano-esque “stinky-poo pants” from you!!
Jul 21st, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“can you be more retard and burro?
i strongly doubt it.
read and learn, AND WATCH THE MAPS, benny-hillbilly
Atlas of the Patagonian Sea”
I strongly doubt you have the slightest understanding of plate tectonics, whereas I actually went to two grammar schools, one college and a university. Where can I buy a copy of this “Atlas of the Patagonian Sea”?
Try this:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-ocean-map.htm I know you love links
I also had a quick look at worldatlas but unfortunately the fabled Argentine Sea and it's sister body the legendary Patagonian Sea aren't listed. You can check here: http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-ocean-map.htm
BTW: enough of your xenophobic rubbish! All you do is throw your ignorance into stark relief!
39 paulcedron II “Obama Administration Backs Argentina”
Jul 21st, 2015 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately he's not a permanent feature of American foreign policy. It's unlikely that his successor will hold the same opinion, in which case the US will return to her long accepted traditional view, to wit:
'As late as 1886 the Secretary of State found it necessary to inform the Argentine Government that as “the resumption of actual occupation of the Falkland Islands by Great Britain in 1833 took place under a claim of title which had been previously asserted and maintained by that Government, it is not seen that the Monroe Doctrine, which has been invoked on the part of the Argentine Republic, has any application to the case. By the terms in which that principle of international conduct was announced, it was expressly excluded from retroactive operation.”
P.60 Sovereignty and the Falkland Islands Crisis D.W. Greig
now it is the turn of monkey´s brain
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0of course nobody expects that YOU or any other benny-hillbilly can know that there are 54 countries in africa.
56 if you include morocco and somaliland.
but the number of countries of the african union is 54.
now that you know it, lets try with the second step.
”Argentina celebrates Africa’s 54 countries support for Malvinas sovereignty
Africa’s fifty four countries joined South America “in recognizing the legitimate sovereignty rights of Argentina over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the adjoining maritime spaces”
now lets do the maths.
54 out of 54.
that is 100% of the african countries support argentina.
understand now, you dumbasshole?
no?
and what did you expect, eh??
42 paulcedron
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the first place, it's immaterial who supports Argentina in her claim of sovereignty, as it's strictly a legal issue. So any claim of popular support is null and void. In the second instance, your claim of support in “recognizing the legitimate sovereignty rights of Argentina” is a none-issue. As Argentina doesn't have any legitimate sovereignty rights.
Paulie- poor little you! I asked fore Official Staements - not just a report from an obscure journalist about what a political person may - or may have been thought ot have implied he said!
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a BIG difference in what someone actually says and states - and what someone else “thinks” that person may have said or may have been meaning!
So please - Start again will you - and answer my question.
Also answer this question:
Why does Noble Energy operate in and around the Falklands with NO criticism from the US Govt which you claim is on your side?
Mercosur - WHY does Brazil allow Premier to operate prospecting hydrocarbon licenses in Brazil?
Chile: - why does Chile allow Oil Company staff to pass through Chile?
Yes - 100% ROCK SOLID is support from Latin America!
Numpty.
Oh dear Paulie....
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did the 54 states of Africa actually say they supported Argentinas claims....NO. They made some vague reference that said they supported talks...an easy cop out.
When actually asked asked at the UN General Assembly whether they supported the self determination of NSGTs....guess what, the majority of those that voted, voted with the UK.
“Most of Europe” you claimed, yet only Spain voted with Argentina.
60 votes to 40 to Paul Condom, and you think that constitutes a vast majority supporting Argentina....
You are a cretin, and a useless troll.
@42
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“now lets do the maths.
54 out of 54.
that is 100% of the african countries support argentina.”
Read and learn(@37Monkeymagic):
“Voted with the UK in 2008 with respect to self determination:
In favour: Albania, Algeria, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Belize, Botswana, Bulgaria, Burundi, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Guyana, Haiti, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Saint Lucia, Samoa, San Marino, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovenia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, United States, Zambia, Zimbabwe.”
You may wish to note, when you have dragged yourself out of your CT scanner, that several African countries voted for self determination to apply.
You will also note many European countries voted for self determination, not against.
pete boludo
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0self determination of what?
self determination of the chagos islands?
im totally agree with that.
now the case of malvinas is totally diifferent.
the ilseteers are an implanted population of just 2000 bennys.
they are squatters, illegal occupants, thieves of land if you want.
self determination in this case is not relevant.
got it?
In 1982 the United Nations decreed that Argentina had no jurisdiction over the waters surrounding the Falklands. End of discussion.
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39. Pity you forgot to mention that Obama's “position” is personally and racially motivated. Quite recently a Washington “insider” moaned that they were afraid that the UK wouldn't spend enough on defence to support the US. Get the picture? Down to the bottom line and the US will support and assist the UK. Otherwise the UK might disassociate itself or object to US actions. As it did over Vietnam. An intervention the US lost!
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not interested in your lousy links. All inhabitable islands have their own “continental shelves”. It's a thing called inconvenient international law.
@42. So there are 54 states in Africa. So? And if the UK withdraws its aid, how many will starve and die? How many will decide to support the UK instead of losing that aid? How many could argieland support to the same extent as the UK? Two? Three?
@47. Losing, and it's back to the Chagos Islands, is it? Haven't you yet learned that WE tell the truth? Chagos population largely composed of French slaves imported from Africa. Under British government translated to Mauritian contract workers with NO rights. Much like argie indigenous peoples. Although, unlike argieland, the UK sees no need to exterminate and murder the population at any excuse. See argie federal police (murderers).
“National aspirations must be respected; people may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. Self determination is not a mere phrase; it is an imperative principle of action. . . . ”
—Woodrow Wilson with his famous self-determination speech on 11 February 1918[12] after he announced his Fourteen Points on 8 January 1918.”
For a population owned by a Mauritian company? Given millions by British governments? Are they going to pay the money back? Fatuous toe-rag.
Argies are an implanted spanish population. Argies speak a non-indigenous European language. They are squatters, illegal occupants, thieves of land if you want. And genocidal murderers. Every reason for most south americans to be exterminated.
@47 cara de dos ortos podridos
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kindly advise us when the first of your ancestors arrived in Argentina? And, please, tell the truth!
President Corruptina Kirchner cannot open her twisted lips without lying, whether it’s about the Falklands, Argentina’s soaring inflation, the starving families in her land, the living standards “higher than Germany”, the massive defaults, the billions in unpaid debts, the horrific crime rates, the rampant drugs trade. Truly you could not make it up.
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She also loves to portray herself as the great champion of human rights, squawking and shrieking about the horrors perpetrated on defenceless nations by her bogey countries, the United Kingdom and United States. Interesting, then, how she refuses to face up to the rape, enslavement and starvation of the Qom and Wichi indigenous peoples in Argentina.
These have been treated like animals ever since the end of the War of the Triple Alliance in 1870 when Argentina annexed huge tracts of the Chaco from Paraguay, creating the provinces of Formosa and Misiones out of the stolen Paraguayan land.
The elected leader of the Qom, Félix Díaz, is now demanding basic human rights and the return of his people’s ancestral lands.
He and a band of supporters have taken their battle for justice to Buenos Aires where they are camping in the city centre.
So how does Kirchner respond, that woman of great principle, that self-acclaimed humanitarian, that fighter for social justice?
She ignores Díaz, refuses to meet him and sends riot police in the middle of the night in a thwarted attempt to evict him.
In 2011 her government backed a vote by the 50,000 Qom community to choose a representative for negotiations on the land dispute. Díaz won in an 80 percent landslide but Kirchner refuses to accept the result. As far as she is concerned, the overwhelming support he received did not happen.
She pretends the Qom problem does not exist.
Well, it does.
Instead of wasting millions of dollars brainwashing the Argentinian people into believing they have any sort of claim to the Falklands, which they don’t, Corruptina cannot hide from her own terr
The oil is getting hot from 2000 people? When are we leaving?
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or we are going to sit at the table?
Lies and crooks, you been thieving for too long. UK is not in the south
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Jul 22nd, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Instead of wasting millions of dollars brainwashing the Argentinian people into believing they have any sort of claim to the Falklands, which they don’t, Corruptina cannot hide from her own territorial disputes at home. And these are not just festering in Paraguay’s occupied lands but also in Patagonia where indigenous peoples such as the Ona and Mapuche still survive despite extermination campaigns by the Buenos Aires government.
Argentina is notorious throughout Latin America for its endemic racism and Kirchner is reinforcing that image with her contemptible, immoral treatment of Félix Díaz.
He and the Qom people he represents will not go away.
ezekielman, seem to be in the wrong place here.
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercosur special declaration,
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of children's games, they must love sitting around in a circle singing A ring a ring of roses,
Mercosur has two noses
sniff one-sniff two and fall fall around, laugh laugh,
now if I was Mercosur and offering a Mercosur special declaration,
I would ask [only ask lolol] for members to voluntary stop all trade with the Falkland's and the UK,
Cut of diplomatic relations and boycott everything British, in support for our dear sista CFK, cough cough.
now that would show the whole bloody world just how much Mercosurs members support our lady in waiting,..lol
but as im not leading them, then they will just have to put up with playing children's games,
And CFK will just have to play this imaginary princess.
ha ha .lol but true..
@47
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The vote in the UN was specifically about Non-Self Governing Territories where a sovereignty dispute exists......hmmmm...and Argentina was the main speaker for, and the UK against self determination being denied to those people.
Who do you think they were talking about? Chagos? Don't think so Paul.
So the last vote in the UNGA, where the world was actually asked to take sides in the Falklands sovereignty dispute...the UK won 60 votes to 40
More countries in North America supported the Uk, including USA and Canada, more countries in Africa supported the UK including South Africa and Sierra Leone (a member of the C24), every country in Europe that voted except for Spain voted with the UK.
Argentina got 22 Latin countries, a few 3rd world Juntas, a couple of failed States, China (who want to grab the South China Seas islands), Russia and India (Kashmir).
It wasn't even close.
So the whole world doesn't support Argentina. You have been lied to, and you are too thick to realise it. The US doesn't support Argentina, you have been lied to and are too thick to realise it. Europe absolutely does not support Argentina.
When asked to actually vote...the WORLD support the UK.
monkeys brain
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“When asked to actually vote...the WORLD support the UK.”
lol
it is the funniest thing i ve ever heard here in this 4th class site.
the WORLD HATES the UK.
i know it is a bit unfair, cause the real problem is only little england.
but what can we do?
eh?
The president of Uruguay described Argentina as ”a bunch of thieves”. There was much outrage in Buenos Aires where the truth always inflicts deep wounds but this insult shows how the rest of South America despises Argentina. This Third World country has kept everyone amused with its version of the Three Stooges: President Corruptina Kirchner, her little dwarf and foreign minister Hector Timerman and the comically named minister for Falklands affairs, Daniel Filmus. Well, this trio of comedians can rest assured that long after they are dead and buried the Falkland Islanders will be living happily and prosperously under the British flag. Our brothers and sisters will never ever lose their freedom and independence.
Jul 22nd, 2015 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 047 paulcedron II “self determination in this case is not relevant.
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0”As for the self-determination issue, the Latin-American argument was in many ways bogus. The population established in the Falklands from the 1840s onwards predated European, or indeed any, settlement of many of the remote areas of South America.42 Thus the Islanders had as much of a claim to be regarded as the inhabitants of the territory as did the European and other settlers who later moved southwards on the mainland, dislodging or destroying most of the original Indian population of those regions. There is no basis here for denying the Islanders a right of self-determination on the ground that they are only “occupiers” of the territory on behalf of a colonial power.” p.57 Sovereignty and the Falkland Islands Crisis D.W. Greig Professor of Law of the Australian National University.
Intertemporality and the Law of Treaties; International Law. Second edition; Nicaragua and the United States ...; Self-Defence and the Security Council: What Does Article 51 Require; Reciprocity, Proportionality, and the Law of Treaties; Invalidity and the Law of Treaties;
D.W. Greig Professor of Law of the Australian National University.??
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0and who the fuck is that aussie dimwit??
and what the fuck can he know??
60 paulcedron II “... what the fuck can he know??”
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently a lot more than you, as he has Ph.D. and his opinions on International law are quoted in numerous books a magazines. Please remind me what exactly is your expertise other than 'unqualified opinions”, and what legal publications have you authored again?
@60
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and what the fuck can he know??”
More than you obviously.
Your statement is so hilarious Paul, that you have made me splutter my Elderberry Wine all over the table so that I can laugh out loud at you. (better than your Malbec and 25p a bottle to make-haa even you could afford that!).
Your statement shows how little you know, so instead of proving that D.W. Greig is stupid, you have actually proved that your are, by your own critique of him.
No wonder your country is going down the gurgler.
Dumbass.
(Please tell me to 'shut it' so I can demonstrate the British psychological gene of defiance and demonstrate your impotence, by replying, instead of complying with your toothless wishes-make my day, Mr. Greasy Gaucho).
“The reality is that Argentina is a completely irresponsible government,” says John Baker, professor emeritus at Louisiana State University Law Centre. “They have taken a very rich country and destroyed it financially. … Without the discipline of having to be responsible to somebody, there's never any hope of change down there.” We all feel so very, very sorry for poor Argentina.
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0By doing this Mercosur has killed stone dead any hope of a trade deal with EU , as they would all, including Argentina, have to openly trade with the Falkland Islands as with any EU member state. Overseas Territories come under the protection of EU trade law.
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 064
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are you crazy or wottt????
so the islets are a member state of the eu now?
lol
LOL
they are not even a “state”.
they are a 3rd class colony
lt finally sinks in--Argentina is far too good a country for the Argentines.
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are wrecking it.
Go back to ltaly & Spain you plonkers & let someone else run the country as it should be run.
65 paulcedron II
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“so the islets are a member state of the eu now”
The Islanders are part of the “Member states and sovereign territories” and hold “EU citizenship” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_the_European_Union
they are not even a “state”.
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are in Fact,
in a better state than you are...lol
Of course, Argentina has only one course of action: any decent, self-respecting country would take its claim to the responsible organisation - the ICJ.
Jul 23rd, 2015 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, Argentina - like Spain - refuses to do so, because it is a gutless, spineless, whimpering little coward of a nation that prefers to engage in posturing and piracy.
Two nations of spineless, whimpering cowards. They get what they deserve - contempt.
so it was not enough with the inhabitants of the islets and now we have a smelly macaco from the stinky rock, eh?
Jul 24th, 2015 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0yuk.
guess those macacos have the same problems as the isleteers: no education, no healthcare, alcoholism and overweight problems, genetic issues...4th class plebs all of them.
guess those macacos have the same problems as the squatters in Argentina : no education, no healthcare, alcoholism and overweight problems, genetic issues...4th class plebs all of them yep, Argentina plebs.
Jul 24th, 2015 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Three times, in 1947, 1948 and 1955, the United Kingdom told Argentina it would accept mediation over the Falklands by the International Court of Justice. On each occasion Buenos Aires rejected this completely reasonable and generous offer. It is obvious to everyone why Argentina was scared of mediation: it knew it had no legal case for ownership of the islands. After all, Britain settled the Falklands in 1765, before Argentina even existed. But even if Argentina had said it would accept the court’s judgement, it could never be trusted to keep its word. In 1971 Chile and Argentina both agreed to accept binding arbitration in yet another Argentinian sovereignty dispute, over islands in the Beagle Channel. However, when judges from the International Court of Justice decided unanimously in favour of Chile, Argentina rejected it. The corrupt Argentine regime of Cretina Kirchner can never be trusted.
Jul 24th, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 072 ezekielman (#)
Jul 25th, 2015 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is correct. In its attempt to colonise the Falklands, a country it has no legal title to, Argentina is just a shameless thief. No wonder it is mired in debt, chased by its creditors and that most of its business dealings are being driven by politics, not economics.
Yes indeed. Arturo Porzecanski, the distinguished economist, has said the Kirchner regime has given up trying to solve Argentina’s problems, it has decided to leave them to the next administration. The host of problems Porzecanski lists include energy, trade, exports and imports, government spending, the tax system, huge deficiencies in the national bank, problems with price controls, import controls, exchange controls, the list goes on and on. Porzecanski calls Argentina a lawless rogue debtor. Couldn't put it better myself.
Jul 25th, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where was Gibraltar in todays Fifa draw?
Jul 25th, 2015 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Falklands' oil industry: Mercosur special declaration in support of Argentina's Malvinas dispute”
Jul 25th, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much LOLz!!!!!
Remember guys, there are always 3 types of “Special”:-
1/ Swinging in though embassy windows and rescuing hostages
2/ “You want fries with that?”
3/ Special needs
I will leave it to your own judgement as to which one this “Mercosur special statement” falls into.
P.S:- For Bottyboypaulie, who does not have a mind to call his own, the answer you are looking for is 3!!! ( .....and possibly 2 as well )
You can't help pitying Bottyboypablito. He wasn't blessed to be born British and throughout his sad life he has felt deeply, deeply inferior. Quite right too. That's why he keeps squealing and squawking with his extremely basic knowledge of English on websites he cannot read and is incapable of understanding. Leave him to get back to his comics, colouring books and soft toys. He needs help, not abuse. We are all very worried about you, pobrecito. Go and see a psychologist, soon. Saludos.
Jul 25th, 2015 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blessed to be born British?
Jul 26th, 2015 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean bald, fat, bad teath and minor friend?
Come on lad, the main reason you lot hate the world is your own appearance...
Teath? Teath? Thank you for proving my point. Now get back to that shack of a school in the Third World slum you inhabit.
Jul 26th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is your point exactly?
Jul 26th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That I need further education in English in order to understand your basic drivel?
As if you lot were advanced in anything else than being self-centered...
How's your Spanish, or any other language, your monolingual wonder?
The more you open your mouth in my language the more you dig yourself into a hole. Don't use my language. You are unworthy of it. Hombre! Qué tontería!
Jul 26th, 2015 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now the language is yours as well...
Jul 26th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet you invented it too...
How's your belly button doing?
I know it is unworthy of the orbit of the sun, but hey, I guess you manage...
It's not your language, mate.
You invented nothing.
Fact is, you have done nothing for any human whatsoever, and your impact on culture, language and human development is a mere coincidence at best, and tragic overall.
Like the language you speak, your wealth and culture is borrowed.
Sad excuse of a human being...
82 Stevie
Jul 26th, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Like the language you speak, your wealth and culture is borrowed.
Sad excuse of a human being...”
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!!!!! Looks like someone is “projecting”.
Y'know, when you look at it, you can learn a LOT about the true feelings of the trolls on this forum, from the insults they try and dish out.
Take mis-informed “Stevie” here:-
“Fact is, you have done nothing for any human whatsoever, and your impact on culture, language and human development is a mere coincidence at best, and tragic overall.”
Trying to get one over on ezekielman at 81?
No, he is angry at his mother country....... and who can blame him? He speaks the truth about argentina.
Insert the word “argentina” into his sentence and you begin to get a sense of where his rage comes from.
“Like the language you speak, your wealth and culture is borrowed.
Sad excuse of a human being...”
This for me says it all. Again, just insert the country and it all becomes shockingly clear. Also, his little flourish at the end of the sentence tells us all how desperately he dislikes himself.
So sad, so sad but how very true......................
no Tool.
Jul 26th, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Insert nothing.
I was talking about you.
No need to make it harder than it is.
Just read. Nothing else.
I make it idiot-proof, just for you.
84 Stevie
Jul 26th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I was talking about you..”
No you are not. You are crying out for help. From someone, anyone who will listen.
I see plenty of people day in, day out who are so in denial regarding their mental state it's a wonder they haven't become a headline already.
Yours is text book and easily treatable ( lucky you!!) most with such deep seated imbalance go unnoticed until they do something that they regret later.
It's all a cry for help.
People ( such as you ) at odds with who they are, where they are. wishing they could change the course of their own lives but unable or ( in most cases ) unwilling to do so.
They are so upset and unsettled and dissatisfied with their own lot that they lash out at loved ones / carers / health visitors who are only trying to help.
Get some help “Stevie” you owe it to yourself and to your family, who must be wondering why you are so angry with everyone and everything.
Get well soon Stevie.
No Tool.
Jul 26th, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody listens in these threads, I'm well aware of that.
I was talking to you. And your lemon teath (read teeth).
People like me smile every time we read your drivel.
It's highly amusing and it never seems to stop. Never ending it is, and just as one thinks it can't get more comical, you arrive...
85 Too Old
Jul 27th, 2015 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie is angry angry angry... lots of insults - no substance.
Hmmm..., a bit like frustrated Polly.
Here's one to brighten his day - Falklanders clean up at SA Ice Hockey Tournament in Brazil - Arg team demolished!!!
http://www.falklandislandsdekhockey.com/ice-hockey/
Troy
Jul 27th, 2015 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay just won gold medal in Panam footies...
Keep your Ice Hockey tournament...
Ice Hockey? For fook sake....
I think Stevie and Dany are deliberately posting nonsense to clog up the boards.
Jul 27th, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're too stupid to respond to
don't waste your time
87 Troy Tempest
Jul 27th, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Stevie is angry angry angry... lots of insults - no substance.”
Thanks for that Troy, Couldn't have described it better myself.
Did you see the 3rd line in his reply to me?
“People like me smile every time we read your drivel.”
Oh how tempting it would be to say something like :- “Right back at you”..... I would too ( only I really can not be bothered! )
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