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Falkland Islanders under Argentina 'will elect their own members to Congress and enjoy oil benefits'
'Some day' Argentina will recover sovereignty over the Malvinas and in no way will the Falkland Islanders or their culture, traditions or language be discriminated, and furthermore they will be able to elect their members to congress, governor and fully enjoy the benefits of oil production. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe Welsh were in Patagonia before Argentina.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0'“In no way the Argentines or the Argentine state will be hostile towards the kelpers, nor will there be an attempt to change their language, culture, customs,'
Jul 28th, 2015 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, not like last time then?
A leopard cannot change its spots and nor can a diego....
Their President calls the Falkland Islanders squatters and occupiers, so does the foreign minister and so does the twat Filmus! The Argentinians are aggressive and all their actions are intimidating. This awful so called ambassador has also been like that in the past. The Falkland Islanders are the owners of the Islands and the UK supports them. Argentina will never have sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0One day the Man from U.N.C.L.E will give the Falklands to Argentina. You only have to believe. And hold your breath while waiting.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many lies do we have from Castro today?
Jul 28th, 2015 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina will recover sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands some day...“
Can't recover what never belonged to you. Here's a more factual version of what you meant:
“Argentina will usurp sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands some day...”
And even then, “some day” is wishful thinking.
“...said it was rather strange that the British government refused to negotiate the Islands sovereignty...”
Which side refuses negotiation unless they get everything they want first?
Argentina.
Which side refuses to negotiate in good faith?
Argentina.
Which side walked out of good-faith negotiations a few years ago?
Argentina.
It's not Britain that refuses negotiation - stop lying.
“In no way the Argentines or the Argentine state will be hostile towards the kelpers...“
Despite several decades of lies and slandering them as ”squatters“ rather than recognising their rights.
Despite in recent history, invading and occupying their home and attempting to subjugate them.
Despite various unscrupulous adherents to the Malvinas Lie demanding they be blockaded and isolated.
”...nor will there be an attempt to change their language, culture, customs...”
You meant like following your illegal invasion in 1982? You forced them to drive on the wrong side of the road, forced them to adhere to Argentine law which has no place in another nation's territory, and forced their schools to lie to their children by telling the Malvinas Lie of 1833.
I fully acknowledge that progress must be made to end this dispute. I have on several occasions, detailed the quickest and undisputably fairest solutions to the dispute.
Unfortunately, we will be unable to make progress until Argentina agrees that they must stop lying like this, and take measures to start telling the truth.
The Malvinas Lie is so far ingrained in their culture that sadly, any attempt to tell the truth is met with scorn and open hostility.
It looks like progress is a long way off...
But will the people of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas have to use the Argentine Peso? That would definitely be a deal breaker. Now when the people of the Falkland Islands put money in the bank they know what it will be worth in the future.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ms Castro, you imbecile, the Falkland Islanders already elect their own GOVERNMENT, and will have FULL control over the oil revenue.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0They already have their own customs, language and laws.
There is nothing that the failing 3rd world toilet called Argentina can offer them that they don't already have, and they have the added benefit of having a decent country at their back defending them from Argentina's Imperialist colonial expansionist ambitions.
The Falklanders have something that Argentina will NEVER be able to give them, and that is their freedom.
l think that dearest Alicia has finally lost it.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Someday” Chile will recover southern Patagonia,
“someday” Paraguay will recover their land stolen by Argentina in 1871.
“someday” Argentina will give any surviving Amerindians their stolen land back.
“someday” Argentina will surrender any surviving nazis to Slavic justice.
“someday” Argentina will apologise for all the trouble they have caused in the South Atlantic & finally,
“someday” Argentina will stop lying to the world about their ridiculous “claims”.
But l won't hold my breath.
Lying, thieving bar stewards.
@7 LEPrecon
Jul 28th, 2015 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Ms Castro, you imbecile, the Falkland Islanders already elect their own GOVERNMENT, and will have FULL control over the oil revenue.”
Saved me saying this however I can't resist adding, reinforcing this astute view.
She is so stupid, she doesn't realise this is an insult-not an offer.
So far, after many years the Argentines appear to have offered:
1/- An Airlink using an airline that can't maintain its fleet, when the Islands are already aserved with two,using safe, up- to- date aircraft.
FAIL
2/-Free education at Universities which are of a far lower standard than the ones the Islanders can already attend, for free.
FAIL
3/-Keep some of the oil and fishing revenues, when at the moment the Islanders can keep everything (Argentina obviously still under the illusion that the UK receives all this money).
FAIL
4/- They can elect representatives to Argentina's government when they can already run themselves,than to their own autonomous government-still you can see that Argentina could benefit by being run by Islanders.
They don't need to elect a governor as the governor seems to be allowed by the Islanders to wind up the Argentines, not because one is needed, and is more a UK ambassador, having no rights to vote.
Whatever mouth watering incentive to be Argentine will she offer next?
The biggest threat to the Falkland Islanders is not Argentina, but Jeremy Corbyn.
If he gets elected the Falklands will be in the be in the shit, unless the MLA's step up their game just a little more, to educate him on the UN charter and Falklands history.
“whom she accused of promoting the idea that Argentines would be hostile towards the Falkland Islanders. ”
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Argentina's actions promote this.
We already have all the things on offer, within a constitutional framework that suits us - the referendum of 2013 confirms that.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Ms Castro (and/or her manipulators) has so much respect for the people of the Falkland Islands, why does she not recognise the results of the referendum, and respect the wishes of Falkland Islanders ?
Dear Alicia Paulcedron,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not only to we already-and for many years- have our own elected Govt that makes our laws, but ever since 1986 when the EEZ was declared, all Fisheries revenue accrues to our Govt and thus the people. For Hydrocarbons it will be exactly the same.
Oh - and we have never walked away from or broken off talks with Argentina, It is Argentina who consistenly refuses to to sit and talk with members of our elected Govt.
It is your Govt that has done so well to give us Islanders good reason to HATE you and everything your Govt stands for.
And by the way, those Welsh settlers went freely to Argentina - Our ancestors came freely to a land that was not part of Argentina.
Do try and get a grip on reality Mrs Cedron.
Who is this nutty women's audience?
Jul 28th, 2015 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you imagine a civilized country's Ambassador speaking like this?
Gads these people are really awful.
”She added that when the Welsh settlers arrived in Argentina (28 July 1865) they were allowed to keep their culture, tradition, language”
Jul 28th, 2015 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0She is just demonstrating the level of Argentine education - Patagonia wasn't part of Argentina or its many precursors in 1865 - what a dimwit.
I particularly like the use of the word 'allowed'. Exactly how could you stop them retaining their language, culture etc. when they were not even inside your borders
How can ordinary Argentines not be embarrassed by such stupidity from a person who is 'supposed' to represent them on the World stage!!!
“In no way the Argentines or the Argentine state will be hostile towards the kelpers, nor will there be an attempt to change their language, culture, customs,...”
Jul 28th, 2015 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the same time the Argentines call the Falkland Islanders 'squatters' and 'non- people', the trade and communication embargos against the Falklands continue while political attacks increase.
What about in the immediate aftermath of the 1982 invasion, how did the Argentines treat the 'kelpers' then?
This is stomach churning rhetoric.
Hypocrisy thy name is Argentina.
Dear Alicia,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you know what you can do with your illegitimate sovereignty claim:
https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims
You all are right, I do even know why Castro talk about the inhabitants of the Malvinas. Here the issue is land, stolen land by the UK.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina want that land back, and with reason.
European countries MUST get out of the Americans now.
@17 psql
Jul 28th, 2015 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hear hear, well said: BTW, I've got some guy from the Mapuche on the phone - he says he wants your house back. What shall I tell him?
Indeed all sounds same as what I heard before 1982 but when they got their paws on the place it was, learn Spanish or else, drive on the right or else and finally but not least the Argentine SS under Major Patricio Dowling had time for all the islanders.. how reassuring to hear Trolley Dolly belching out the same lies again.. The Welsh in Patagonia HAVE to speak Spanish, if there was military service they HAD to do it.. and who knows if the parents would see their kid coming back home ever again!
Jul 28th, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid, big-mouthed woman (I think it's a woman). What makes her think that the Falkland Islanders would want to be “under” argieland? How many representatives would they get to elect? On the Falklands, they get to elect EIGHT. Shortly before argieland “thinks” it will get sovereignty, it will be destroyed utterly. Finally cleansing part of south america. “they also showed a great coexistence spirit with the tehuelches who inhabited these lands” where latino argies would shortly be murdering them. “it was rather strange that the British government refused to negotiate the Islands sovereignty, when the claim “is not only Argentine, but global”. Tough. Let's see all these ”global” claimants stand up and make their case. For the sake of fairness, we'll create a list of those excluded. South and Central America, Caribbean, Asia, Middle East. Who's left? North America, Australia, New Zealand, Europe (except for those we don't like). Tell us more.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”the day in which Argentina takes control over the Islands, Falkland Islanders ('kelpers') will enjoy a better life since they will be able to elect their own governor, representatives to the Argentine congress and could also benefit directly from the exploitation of fisheries and the oil industry.“ Except that the Falklanders aren't interested in the incompetent argie congress and also ”benefit directly from the exploitation of fisheries and the oil industry.“ already. Incidentally ”Islander1” how much of your taxes gets sent to the UK?
@17
Jul 28th, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely, everyone of European descent give the land back to the natives that lived there first. Of course if your land had no natives in the first place...
“elect members to congress”...
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silly bitch, that's a step backward in regards to our autonomy just as if we had to elect our own MP in the UK parliament. and 'electing our own governor'....does she really have so little clue about how British Overseas Territories work, The Governor is not the Government; the title 'governor' is archaic, we've kept the title for traditions sake, he's here to advise and assist us, nothing more.
@17 pqsl
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kindly inform us exactly when the Falklands/Malvinas archipelago was stolen and from whom.
Riots currently going on in BA over a bus line strike.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks to be way worse than anything we've had in the USA recently yet nary a peep from the worldwide press. Why you may ask, because that kind of horrible stuff goes on every day, day in and day out in Argentina so its not “newsworthy”.
Just a bunch of militarized police bashing dark people. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Gads how do some of these kidiots have the nerve?
“ Someday ” she will pay her Harrods account .
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand it's somewhat overdue .
But then again , what did you expect ?
Still , better than two of her staff , who were caught shoplifting .
@17 pqsl
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you take your case to the International a Court of Justice and PROVE that the Falklands are Argentine territory?
Here are some facts that hopefully won't overheat your indoctrinated brain.
1. The British 1st set foot on the Falklands in 1690. A long time before Srgentina existed.
2. The 1st British colony was set up in 1765. A long time before Argentina existed.
3. Spain tried to steal the islands but were given a good kicking and returned ALL British property including the FALKLANDS.
4. Some privateer tried to set up a colony and FAILED in about 1815.
5. A 2nd privateer, named Jewet, asked permission from the BRITISH to set up a colony. He then unilaterally and WITHOUT permission or even acknowledgement from the United Provinces declared himself UP governor. He also turned to piracy and got his arse handed to him by the USA.
6. In November 1832 the United Provinces (Argentina did NOT exist) landed a military force on the islands and tried to set up a penal colony. The British immediately protested (in line with international law at the time) and sent the RN to remove the illegal troops from British territory.
7. On 3rd Jan 1833, less than 6 weeks after they arrived, the murderous and mutinous, UP troops were rounded up and sent home. The colonists, bar 4 (none of whom were from the region that would become Argentina), elected to stay under British rule. Since these colonists predate the arrival of the UP troops, and their descendants live on the islands to this day PROVE that the Falklands have NEVER been Argentine.
But good luck trying to PROVE your spurious claims in a real unbiased court that you can't bribe.
Psst! The right to self determination trumps territorial integrity, especially when the territory in question has NEVER been Argentine, and 2 illegal military occupations that total less than 6 months does not make a valid claim in 21st century international law.
They already have all these things. They just don't have the corruption, poverty and arrogance which are endemic to Argentina.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina ever does “recover” their so-called Malvinas, the first thing they will do is offer free passage, plus “100 acres and a mule”, to 1000 families from the huge criminal-infested squatter-camp at Retiro in the centre of BA. In return for free food shipments and as much cheap wine as they can drink they will be expected to continue their criminal activities and in general make as much trouble as possible so that the gringos leave in disgust.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26. Just a few points for the sake of accuracy.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your 3. I can't find any trace of someone trying to set up a colony in 1815.
Your 4. Jewett wasn't a privateer. By the time he reached the Falklands (for repairs) he was a pirate, having seized a Portuguese vessel.
Your 5. You mean Vernet in 1828. The rest of the item is technically almost correct. He was declared Military and Civil Commander of Puerto Luis by the Republic of Buenos Aires. There has to be a question mark over the validity of a declaration from something that didn't exist. But, back then, the spanish colonists weren't too clear on the meaning of words.
Moving along, we could mention the “Convention between Great Britain and the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of Friendship” in which the Falkland Islands are not mentioned under any name. INTERNATIONAL LAW makes it clear that, in any such treaty, if a disputed territory is not mentioned, the signatories accept the status quo. Hey ho, the Falkland Islands are British!
But then we get to a difficult one. Argieland “claimed” independence. But, as far as spain was concerned, it was a colony in rebellion. And so it remained until 1863. How would a rebellious colony “legally” claim territory outside the colony? Moreover, there remained a dispute between spain and Britain. A dispute that Britain was always going to win. Still, why would spain maintain a dispute over territory it had given away? But it hadn't “given” anything. Where's the treaty, the piece of paper? “Inheritance” has never been a valid means of territorial acquisition.
So ends the current responses to “public shite quotes lies”.
@17. Get it, girlie? There are certain things you need before you come on here. Brain, mind, education and intelligence are at the top of the list. Let us know if you ever get any of them.
@28. Not going to happen. British forces will start arriving within 24/36 hours.
@26
Jul 28th, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your post does not compute, not compute, not compute. Resistance is is useless.... you will be assimilated. Not compute resistance is useless.......................................
@30. You're a prat, prat, prat. You will be annihilated. Enjoy fried (eye) balls!
Jul 28th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom for Patagonia. Free the Welsh from Argentine terrorism
Jul 28th, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 pqsI
Jul 28th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Resistance is is useless.... you will be assimilated. ”
As in 1982 for all of two and a half months?
Who won?
http://youtu.be/1BY-Yg1S1AA
Jul 28th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the prefect response
“'Some day' Argentina will recover sovereignty over the Malvinas ”
Jul 28th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such a statement could only come from a stupid b*tch like Alicia Castro.
How can they recover somethiing they never had ?
Does she really believe that the Kelpers - and the UK - will lower their guards because of her BS ??
@30 pqsI
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have responded to @26 - kindly respond to my @23 - or are you unable so to do?
@30 pqsl
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course my post wouldn't compute to the brainless, such as yourself, someone who can't look at facts objectively and come to their own conclusions.
However resistance is far from useless, as we showed in 1982, when the Argentine military, which was very brave when threatening and oppressing unarmed civilians, ran like cowards, because they're not so brave when people can shoot back at them.
It cost the lives of 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders, but the resistance worked, and should Argentina ever try to invade again the 1st thing the UK will do is bomb the crap out of Argentina. We didn't do it last time because the Yanks begged us not to, but second time means that any Argentine military facility ANYWHERE in the world would become a viable target.
And the price of peace for Argentina will be far more than you can afford.
But it is all hot air. Ms Castro and the other CFK muppets spin these fairy tales so brainless morons like you don't see how much they've stolen from Argentina, and what mess that they've left Argentina in. Argentina, a 3rd world country that actually thinks it is successful despite all evidence to the contrary.
But you are only deluding yourselves. The Falkland Islands are British territory. They'll be British territory tomorrow and the next day and the next day, and so on and so forth until the people of the Falklands decide otherwise.
What Argentina wants is irrelevant. Argentina is an impotent bully, a never has been that never will be, devolving into oblivion.
But bury your head in the sand and hum your mythical malvinas song.
The Falkland Islands will remain free whilst Argentina implodes into chaos and anarchy.
Time to sit back, open a beer and watch the oblivion of Argentina.
They are NEVER handing over the Falklands to a pack of Argentine thieving criminals. NEVER!
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0F*ck Alicia and her whinining countrymen...
“Ron, I'm not handing over. I'm not handing over the islands now. I didn't lose some of my best ships and some of my finest lives to leave quietly under a ceasefire without the Argentines withdrawing.”
Margaret Thatcher 31/05/1982
To Ronald Reagan
God bless Baroness Thatcher
Amazing that the Argentine government, many of its citizens and obviously a high proportion of its diplomatic corps have no regard whatsoever for facts.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can only warn you,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have tried, its up to the Falkland's to demand an end this this harassing brainwashing.
the more who think you belong to them, the more that will believe you agree with this bullshxt,
demand an end, before they end you.
just my opinion.
Argentina's offer:
Jul 28th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Falkland Islanders under Argentina 'will elect their own members to Congress and enjoy oil benefits' ”
British offer:
“Falkland Islanders as a BOT 'will elect their own members to self govern and enjoy oil benefits' ”
Only someone with an Argentinean education would believe the first offer is better.
@40 Briton,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just my opinion too, Briton.
Sometimes l think that Conqueror has the right idea.
These people do not respond to true facts, they only respect force.
lts not over yet.
42. Argentines are strong with the weak and weak with the strong. They are not reasonable or logical. They are ruled by their emotions. They do not understand fair play.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given the opportunity they will take what doesn't belong to them. As long as they think they won't get hurt, notice I didn't say caught.
They will reneg on contract.
Their promises are meaninless
They are cowards with arrested development.
genetic aberration
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Stupid, big-mouthed woman (I think it's a woman). What makes her think that the Falkland Islanders would want to be “under” argieland?”
spot on.
the thing is who the fuck cares for what the isleteers want?
they are squatters, illegal occupants.
they do not have a say in this issue.
@44 Gago cedron,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just shut up, Think.
And stop killing Whales, you disgusting creature.
44. The UK/USA/EU NATO care what the Falklanders want.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is impotent.
Nothing more than low class uneducated mouthy cowards
haha isolda.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i think i love you.
but stop being so gaga, naba and boba.
@44: Hello Paulie. I knew you'd be here somewhere! You're still spouting the same old stuff aren't you? Have you given up on the Macri platform? How many times are we going to have to go through all the facts with you?
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not squatters. We are certainly not illegal And I think, if your lovely Alicia is to be believed, our wishes have to be taken into account - we will get some benefits from the oil, we will be able to keep our culture, we will be able to elect our own members to congress.
She's one of yours, fighting hard to preserve the money being skimmed off in big handfuls by KFC and her cronies.
It's a shame she has told sooooo many lies previous to this brief and very unconvincing outburst. The very fact that she is having to say these things merely undermines the lies. She actually knows that the Falkland Islands were never RG to start with, that they will never be RG and so she is doing her best to tempt us to become RG.
It won't work, and never has. Why would we give up our freedom?
A lot of promises from the Mad as shit Banshee,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but.... dont the falkland islanders already enjoy what she promises??
so why the hell would anyone throw that away to join a 3rd world cuntry hell bent on expansion and resource grab,
Argentina never had Falklands never will and “Some Day” the ruling junta will stop using Falklands as a distraction tool to passify its minions while they starve. But i doubt it, it works toooo well.
They live in a fantasy world of their own making, believing in possibilities that will never come to fruition. The only way territories are won and lost is through war and the Falkland Islands are too well defended, not to mention next August the sea trials commence of HMS Queen Elizabeth, once she is up and running it simply is game over.
Jul 29th, 2015 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0In what alternate reality do they the UK is simply going to hand these islands over to a bunch of uneducated criminals. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
@44 cara de dos ortos podridos
Jul 29th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the thing is who the fuck cares for what Argentina wants?
the Argentines are squatters having stolen the land from the indigenous population. they do not have a say in this issue as they are guilty of genocide”
Boludo!
She is the only ambassador to be mentioned so often in the press; the Falklands is the only Dice that Argentina has to roll; hoping to come up with a lucky number. Elections in the offing...
Jul 29th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the claim is global, according to the gorgeous Alicia Castro. You have to smile.
Jul 29th, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She needs to be reminded about what the Respected Argentine politician Mauricio Macri has said: “I never quite understood the sovereignty claims of such a big country as ours. We don't have a space problem such as Israel, for example”.
Sr Macri needs to be very, very careful. Any Argentinian who dares to speak out about this farcical claim has to watch his back. Next thing President Corruptina Kirchner will be announcing to the world that Sr Macri has suicided himself.
You can normally tell when these failed Spaniards lie, as there lips move.
Jul 29th, 2015 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I never quite understood the sovereignty claims of such a big country as ours. We don't have a space problem such as Israel, for example”. Mauricio Macri (1997)
Jul 29th, 2015 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly, even Macri, in the unlikely event he wins the election against “those who count the votes”, will probably have to backtrack on this statement. “Las Malvinas son Argentinas” is the national religion - it is drummed into every child from cradle to grave. To change that would be as difficult and dangerous as converting the religion of Saudis from Islam to Hare Krishna.
@42. Look at it this way. Britain has been around for over a thousand years. Over that time, we have tried force, intelligence, reason and appeasement. What worked? Appeasement got us WW2. Force got us victory. Much the same beat Napoleon. It may be that intelligence and reason made us wait until the Romans left of their own volition. Look back over our history. We won't be beaten. On the matter of the Falkland Islands, where is the point of “negotiation”? Argieland has already decided on the only “acceptable” solution. Here's the way it works. Britain agrees to “share” sovereignty. More and more argies arrive. Population 30% British, 70% argie. Renegotiation. The Falklands belongs to argieland. Ethnic cleansing begins. British bodies are found in various places. It's the argie way. It's unfortunate that, in 1982, we were unable to take force far enough. If we'd had the resources then that we have now. Every argie vessel would have been sunk. Including those cowering port. Every argie airbase destroyed. Every argie army base destroyed. Selective strikes on population centres sending a message. “Don't mess with us”. What's wrong with that? Argies don't have brains. How do you train a puppy? You make it understand that unacceptable behaviour results in unwelcome punishment.
Jul 29th, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44. Faecal matter covers south america. You know what you are.
@47. Shove your head back up where it belongs.
@55. There's a way to do it. “Off with their heads”. Yeah, I mean it. I mean, go in and cut their f***ing heads off.
We can provide a list of whose heads should be kicked down the road first, can't we?
48
Jul 29th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We always enjoy spotting the Argie retards who come on here, choking on their vomit and bile. Ignore these poor little chappies. They have been poisoned by the facts and reality of their failed, farcical and delusional claim to the Falklands.
Demented Paulie and his embittered pals can rest assured that the islanders will be living free and independent under our Union flag long after Kirchner and her corrupt, criminal and cowardly cabal have been flushed into Buenos Aires’s stinking sewers. Now, Paulie amuse us all with another dose of your diarrhoea.
56@
Jul 29th, 2015 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that sounds ok to me..
That Castro woman gets fuglier by the day...if that is possible..
Jul 29th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile another RG fail..http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/07/28/argentina-broadcasts-english-language-propaganda-to-falkland-islands/?
42 lsolde
Jul 30th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a look at this,
Asymmetric Naval Warfare: Next Stage in the South Atlantic?
http://www.phoenixthinktank.org/articles/alex-calvo-asymmetric-naval-warfare-the-next-stage-in-the-south-atlantic.html
There are reasons to expect Buenos Aires to at the very least consider going----
The British response, we can already see some evidence that London may be preparing for a new stage in the long-running conflict.—
Read on=
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@60 Briton,
Jul 30th, 2015 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don't understand us being rational.
Look what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938.
Only Russia offered to help the Czechs, but as they had no common border with Czechoslovakia they needed permission to pass through Poland, which was denied.
The RGs take us for weakness.
They only respect strength & power.
ANY infringement of our Sovereignty MUST be met by overwhelming force.
Not to do so would be traitorous & criminal to our men's lives lost in any future engagement.
l would give the RGs ONE warning only, then retaliate.
Civilian or Military, its all the same. They know what they are doing.
You provoke us & you will pay for it, NO MERCY.
Whatever happens next, lts on your head.
JMHO.
Cheers Briton.
isolda
Jul 30th, 2015 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ANY infringement of our Sovereignty MUST be met by overwhelming force.”
you do not have sovereignty.
you are a 3rd class colony.
capisce?
She wasn't particularly competent in her last job as an airline stewardess, either.
Jul 31st, 2015 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0A shame that Bs As was not turned into a glassy, glowing parking lot during the last Falklands War. Maybe next time.
@62 cara de dos ortos podridos
Jul 31st, 2015 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“you do not have sovereignty.
you are a 3rd class colony.
capisce?”
I think you will find that your statement is totally incorrect!
Viz:https://www.dur.ac.uk/resources/ibru/conferences/sos/masahiro_miyoshi_paper.pdf
Fortunately the Malvinas will be able to enjoy the fruits of democracy when the UK returns the islands within the next 25 years.
Jul 31st, 2015 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@62 Think,
Jul 31st, 2015 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh but we do indeed have Sovereignty.
And you are the fools who think that you can take it from us.
Hate to burst your bubble(no l don't really, l love it!), but you incompetent shower of deluded airheads, couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag.
So we are in no way too worried about you.
@65 Hepatia,
ha ha ha ha, is that the best that you can do?
laughable, man, just laughable.
@65 Hepatia
Jul 31st, 2015 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will return Ushuaia and Santa Cruz to the Falkland Islands within the next 25 years.
You are breaking the Falkland Islands' territorial integrity by holding onto those locations.
#8
Jul 31st, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0To paraphrase Disney “Some day my Prince will come”. Ms. Castro has about as much chance !
65 Hepatitis
Jul 31st, 2015 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will belong to China within those 25 years.
They'll own your Lithium too!
61@ agreed,
Jul 31st, 2015 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they can never be trusted.
It's time that Argentina decolonised Tierra del Fuego and removed its implanted population, and return the territory to the few indigenous people who survived the Argentine genocide.
Jul 31st, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65
Jul 31st, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forcing us to be Argentine would be “the fruits of democracy” would it? Interesting take on democracy.
When they finally realise they cant have the victory they have always wanted, they will look closer to home,
Jul 31st, 2015 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely their must be weak or unprotected territory they can invade...lol
Things of which we can be assured:
Jul 31st, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The Falkland Islands will remain free of Argentine control.
2. Argentina will whinge but remain the petulant poster child of corruption and self-deception.
3. The Falkland Islands residents will achieve surprisingly high levels of income from petroleum and fisheries income.
4. Argentina will whinge but remain the petulant poster child of corruption and self-deception.
5. The Falkland Islands will remain free of Argentine control.
“and furthermore they will be able to elect their members to congress, governor and fully enjoy the benefits of oil production.”
Aug 01st, 2015 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! that is a generous offer - why haven't they explained that before??
She did say 'members' so that must mean there will be two members of congress from the Falklands, they will be able to exert a huge influence on the governance of their Islands.
and thet will get to enjoy 'benefits' from the production of their own oil. Wow - how generous is that? Argentina's benevolence towards a group of people that it regards as 'squatters', 'usurpers' and 'non-people' is truly worlds best practice - not!
Doña Alicia can get stuffed.
Aug 01st, 2015 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some years into the future, Argentine governments will disown the K-administrations and their cast of unsavoury characters, just as the present government now disowns the military juntas that murdered their own citizens and invaded the Falklands. We shall not forget what really happened, we shall not forgive and we shall not be stupid enough to be taken in.
Aug 01st, 2015 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By keeping the grating and ungracious stewardess Castro as ambassador, the civilised nations are constantly reminded of the abrasive and uglier side of Argentina. Likewise, it is something of a disguised blessing that Argentina continues to be negatively affected by Kirchnerism. It allows countries such as neighbouring Paraguay and Uruguay to develop their economies in areas where Kirchnerism has created havoc within Argentina. During the reign of Kirchnerism, neighbouring Chile has now achieved higher per-capita income than Argentina, and Argentina has gone from second largest economy to third (or is it now fourth?) in South America. Kirchnerism has prevented Argentina for getting any sort of significant international dollar loans and has discouraged further investment and even caused many businesses to leave. Kirchnerism has driven Argentina even more deeply into debt and allowed China to get a significant predatory hold on the country. Kristina can't fly the presidential jet to the civilised nations for fear of it being seized to pay for Argentina's many bad loans. Argentina can't afford any sort of effective military and Kristina certainly won't allow competent military leadership or training, so the Falklands are at decidedly lower risk. So let us now praise great failures.
Aug 01st, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78 Marti
Aug 01st, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right. Sometimes the economy has to scrape the bottom of the barrel in order to encourage people to abandon the practises that got them there. In the long run, a good thing.
76 lsolde
Aug 01st, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Doña Alicia can get stuffed.”
Nicely put.
It seems that the deluded old trolley dolly is incapable of saying anything that makes any sense, to anyone other than herself.
Argentina under Falkland Islanders 'will elect their own members to Congress buy wont enjoy any oil benefits'
Aug 01st, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Un duro editorial inglés contra el enclave colonial de Malvinas y Gibraltar
Aug 06th, 2015 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“El Imperio Británico ha desaparecido, está muerto y enterrado, terminado y la sola idea de una nave británica destinada a amenazar a España es ridícula. ¿Se supone que bombardeará Cádiz?”, escribe Jenkins y agrega: “El examen de la situación de las colonias británicas actualmente disputadas, Gibraltar y Malvinas , surgen sólo dos conclusiones: o bien la posición inglesa tiene bases sólidas en el derecho internacional, o bien ”todo esto no es hoy más que una completa aberración“.
Por supuesto que el autor se inclina por lo segundo: ”Los Estados-nación del siglo XXI ya no sufren la humillación de ser amputados por esos restos de imperios que datan de los siglos XVIII-XIX -escribe. Hoy, la misma realpolitik impone su desmantelamiento“, afirma.
Y expone la duplicidad de la corona inglesa respecto de la cuestión colonial: ”Va de suyo que los habitantes de esas colonias tienen derecho a la consideración, pero nunca se ha visto a esos derechos ganarle al realismo político. Por otra parte, ésa no fue nunca la posición de Gran Bretaña. (...) No nos tomamos el trabajo de consultar a la población de Hong Kong o de Diego García, sin mencionar siquiera la idea de acordarles la 'autodeterminación', cuando Gran Bretaña decidió arrojarlas al olvido de la Historia”. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/m1/1612418-un-duro-editorial-ingles-contra-el-enclave-colonial-de-malvinas-y-gibraltar
El Presidente Malvinas
Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL,
this is an old argument put forward by South America - and argued to death years ago - Chagos... ? sorry, no original inhabitants - brought in to work and sent home - no water anyway.
If you say is right they stay because they WANT to stay, is OK - what about the Falklands and Gibraltar?? :-)
Hong Kong - lease was up for Kowloon and New Territories - essential for sustaining the Island. The people were not forced to leave.
@82 presidenteallende
Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who care what Simon Jenkins says in the Guardian? The Guardian is a mouthpiece for the Labour Party and is not available in many parts of the UK because sensible and educated people just do not read it.
It is available on line.
@82 el presidento,
Aug 06th, 2015 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Guardian is a red ragging communist newspaper & Simon Jenkins is a traitorous raving loony, so if you want to quote those sources, your whole post is irrelevant.
There is no such place as the mal-de-mer, err malvinas anyway.
This is our land & not yours...........get used to it.
@82
Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take Simon Jenkins as your star witness to the ICJ then.
This will not override the UN Charter, 1833 in context and the historical evidence for the UK's sovereignty rights since 1690 and the Falkland Islander's rights in this post colonist era.
Every single argument you can make can be neutralised by those from the UK side, and you can only quote 6 months of formal occupation by 'authorities' from Buenos Aires, versus over 200 years of time that Great Britain claimed the Islands.
Regarding that, 'Do you feel lucky'?
Please go to the ICJ, we all need a laugh, and it will be at your expense.
@82
Aug 06th, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simon Jenkins is regarded as a joke. His views on our Falklands are irrelevant, just as they were when we thrashed the Argentinians on the islands. What matters is the opinion of all those people who agree with Mauricio Macri: “I never quite understood the sovereignty claims of such a big country as ours. We don't have a space problem such as Israel, for example”.
que argumentaciones mas infantiles solo toman aquello que les conviene desmereciendo lo que no les gusta o aquello que no es afin a sus turbios intereses invocando o rechazando argumentos a conveniencia, tipica hipocresia de quienes saben que estan flojos de argumentos y ademas saben que la historia los condena, lo mismo hacen con el terrorismo internacional en medio oriente donde el mundo ya ve las consecuencias nefastas de las intervenciones de sus plutocracias gobernantes en nombre de la “libertad, los derechos humanos y la democracia”, su contradiccion es permanente, ya nadie les cree, pero en el mundo la gran mayoria acompaña la postura argentina, todos sabemos que esas islas fueron son y seran argentinas.
Aug 06th, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0presidenteallende @ 82/88
Aug 06th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides your ridiculous pen name and the utter trash you post, it's in Spanish. Go somewhere else.
(Además de tu nombre de pluma ridículo y la basura que enviás, está en español. Andate para otro lado.)
MERCOPRESS: please follow your own rules about the language used for posts.
PART1- los ingleses jamás ocuparon la totalidad de las islas y su incipiente asentamiento se limito a puerto egmont en la isla saunders (los britanicos llamaron a la isla saunders donde estaba puerto egmont “falkland island” ( en singular) incluso asi quedo registrado en la placa dejada por el comandante ingles Clayton, pero el termino no incluía a las islas en su conjunto ( la pretensión injustificada sobre el resto de las islas se ampliaría luego) asentamiento que incluso mas tarde abandonarían, España que tenia jurisdicción en esa zona y previamente por aviso de los franceses que ya estaban en esa zona hace tiempo los desaloja por la fuerza pero para evitar un conflicto mayor se les permitio a los escasos colonos británicos ( y tambien a los franceses) permanecer en las islas pero reconociendo que las mismas estaban bajo soberanía española ( resultado se fueron todos por donde vinieron y hasta 1833 no volvieron), cuando argentina toma posesión de las islas Inglaterra enterada de este hecho jamás objeto nada
Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0vuelvo a insistir en que el único argumento eficaz de los británicos es el de la fuerza, el mismo que quisieron aplicar sin éxito en estas mismas latitudes en 1763, 1806, 1807, 1845, en el rio de la plata por experiencia propia conocemos muy bien los “argumentos británicos” , o el desalojo de la única base y población existente en la isla tule ( estación científica argentina corbeta uruguay) en lo jurídico los argumentos británicos fueron mutando a lo largo del tiempo a medida que eran desmentidos porque justamente son flojos y poco consistentes, desde la prioridad de descubrimiento que esgrimieron en un primer momento hasta el res nullius
ynsere (al pedo-allende) “ ... y la basura que enviás...”
Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¿enviás? ynsere, ¿sos argentino o simplemente burlándose del boludo allende?
PART2-Algunas sinceridades ( espero que no los acusen de comunistas ):
Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0el profesor Peter J Beck recuerda las sensatas observaciones formuladas en 1836 por Fitzmaurice consejero legal del foering office quien se expreso de la siguiente manera:
Nuestro caso tiene ciertas debilidades, principalmente con respecto a las dudas sobre si las islas fueron res nullius en 1833 momento de la reclamación inicial britanica. ( con esto deja en claro que jamás hubo una reclamación o pronunciamiento oficial y firme con anterioridad)
He revisado todos los papeles relativos a las Falklands. De ninguna manera encuentro claro que alguna vez hayamos sido titulares de la soberanía de dichas islas”.
Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duque de Wellington (Primer Ministro), 1834.
“...la actitud del gobierno argentino no es enteramente injustificada y nuestra acción ha sido algo despótica”.
Sidney Spicer, titular del Departamento América del Foreign Office, 1910.
“quién tenía el mejor derecho al tiempo que nosotros anexamos las islas. Yo pienso que el gobierno de Buenos Aires [...] Nosotros no podemos hacer fácilmente un buen reclamo y astutamente hemos hecho todo lo posible para evitar discutir el tema en la Argentina”.
R. Campbell, secretario asistente del Foreign Office, 1911.
“las reclamaciones argentinas a las islas Falkland en ninguna forma son sin fundamentos” ..... “el caso inglés no es lo suficientemente fuerte como para afrontar una controversia pública”.
sir Malcolm A. Robertson, embajador británico en Buenos Aires, 1928.
“Los británicos ratearon las Falkland en 1833” decía en 1930 la obra The Canons of International Law en la página 390.
En 1936 el consejero legal de la cancillería inglesa, George Fitzmaurice, señaló: “Nuestro caso posee cierta fragilidad” y aconsejaba lo que finalmente se hizo: “Sentarse fuerte sobre las islas, evitando discutir, en una política para dejar caer el caso”.
”...nuestra toma de posesión de las islas Malvinas en 1833 fue tan arbitraria [...] que no e
MERCOPRESS EDITORS
Aug 06th, 2015 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please enforce your own rules about language.
“presidenteallende” is posting exclusively and repeatedly, in Spanish.
very democratic, CONTINUE:
Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...nuestra toma de posesión de las islas Malvinas en 1833 fue tan arbitraria [...] que no es por tanto fácil de explicar nuestra posición sin mostrarnos a nosotros mismos como bandidos internacionales”.
John Troutbeck, alto funcionario del Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores británico, 1936.
A GIFT FOR YOU
http://www.infonews.com/nota/183554/fuerte-respaldo-de-ex-colonias-britanicas-a-la-causa-malvinas
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