MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Brazil reports its worst half year primary deficit since 1997
The Brazilian government registered a primary deficit of $470 million (1.6 billion Real) in the first half of 2015, according to figures from the National Treasury release on Thursday, O Globo newspaper reported. The deficit is the worst result since 1997. In the same period last year, the government recorded a surplus of $5 billion (17 billion real). Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThey must give up the crazy cash back schemes and the free money to slum dweller programs immediately.
Aug 01st, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My guess is Congress won't let them
Bank head will resign when he's asked to devalue and cut interest rates.
Just give it time...
Meanwhile, across the world the United States had a budget deficit of 800 billion dollars. The Brazil was 500 million dollars.
Aug 01st, 2015 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference is simply stunning. 1600 times!
How many times the economy of the Evil Empire is greater than that of Brazil? 7 or 8?
The United States is fucked! These guys do not rise more ever.
The USA is much larger, wealthier, smarter, more innovated and harder working than Brazil.
Aug 01st, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We rule the world Bras.
You're nothing more than a bunch of Marxists Monkeys that can barely communicate with the civilized world.
Watch Argentina, you're about 5 years behind and Argentina is about 2 years behind Venezuela which is currently having food riots.
With the debt that you have I think it's just the opposite: China, Japan, Brazil and Russia is governing the United States.
Aug 01st, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4. Brazil only has 5 years left. Total pollution. Total poverty. Total starvation. Does the rest of the world care? Just die!
Aug 01st, 2015 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moving away from the histrionics to something a little more rational.
Aug 01st, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“From Brasil Wire:
Brasil is having a horrible 2015; a far less favourable global economic situation, a number of policy misjudgments made early in President Rousseff’s first mandate and rolling scandals that have followed 2014’s election have resulted in flurry of headlines both at home and abroad decrying “Brasil in Crisis” or “On the Brink“.
However, to seasoned Brasil observers, and in the context of the ongoing situation in Greece, this kind of language is sensationalist and excessive. 2015 will be the worst GDP contraction in 25 years but this is a sledgehammer statistic which does not get near describing the situation alone. Will it be a bad year for Brazilian workers? Yes. Are we likely to see roll backs in the impressive gains Brasil has made tackling inequality and hunger? Possibly minor. Will Brasil lose its hard-won Investment Grade status? Maybe, depending on who you talk to. But the real question is, will the Brazilian government be walking cap in hand into the International Monetary Fund asking for assistance, or risking a default on debts? No...”
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/is_brazil_really_on_the_verge_of_a_greece-like_crisis_20150714
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
Aug 01st, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the answer!
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
A certain idiot who thinks “economics is an art, not a science” (it's neither, it's guesswork mainly) now thinks the following person should be credited with knowing what is going to happen in Brazil:
Aug 01st, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Natasha Hakimi Zapata is currently a Ph.D. candidate in Latin American Literature at the Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Spain. She also holds a Creative Writing M.F.A. from Boston University and both a B.A. in Spanish and a B.A. in English with a creative writing concentration from the University of California, Los Angeles. In college she received scholarships from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Hispanic Heritage Foundation, the Smithsonian Latino Center and the UCLA Alumni Association. She has also received several awards for creative writing, including the May Merill Miller Award for Poetry in 2008 and 2010, the Ruth Brill Award for short fiction in 2010 and the Falling Leaves Award in 2010. Most recently she was awarded the 2012 Robert Pinsky Global Fellowship and was a semifinalist for the Dzanc Books/ Guernica International Literary Award.
So she's a poet! Brilliant. the idiot is finally losing all credibility albeit after a shaky start!
Ha, ha, ha.
@7 brASSHOLE
Aug 01st, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will notice that the stats end May 2014....just a bit before the fat B decided to lie to everyone and withhold essential information on the true situation of the country, in order to get re-elected.......now, the sh*t has already hit the fan.
By the video of the German military, are you trying to praise them ?? if so, why are you bending over to a 'western' power ?? Or, maybe you think that Germany is part of the BRICS ??
8 ChrisR
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was only posted by Natasha Hakimi Zapata she is not the author. The original site is at http://www.brasilwire.com/brasils-shock-doctrine/. But you are obviously the author of your own stupidity . Oops! that big head of yours got whacked when you stepped on yet another rake. I love showing you in your true light. LOL
Perhaps use your own words instead of incessantly quoting others.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 011 Skip
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean like ChrisR or Voice, Vestige, Think, et al, in the end it hasn't exactly worked out for them has it?
Why care what other think! Should be totally unimportant to your opinion and beliefs.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0However if you aren't using an anonymous forum to synthesise and broadcast your own opinion then it sorta defeats the purpose.
Just posting quotes and articles verbatim makes you nothing more than a Google algorithm.
As for Voice and Think, they predominantly seek out reactions so the entire forum becomes about them. The equivalent of a child chucking a tantrum in a supermarket. Vestige has his own opinions and attempts to argue them. But he also likes to make claims that can't be refuted unless you also fall into the same trap as he does.
So post how you wish. But don't act like you are somehow superior to others on here because of that. You aren't. You are like the rest of us. Attracted to a pretty bland and simple site with hardly any interference from the editors so the place is pretty much a free for all rife with racism, sexism and misogyny.
Your dross just blends with all the other dross on here.
13 Skip
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm just the messenger. I guess you hadn't figured it out, I hate to break it to you but Voice, Vestige, and Think where the same person.
10. Did you actually read that claptrap you posted? Its a bunch of conspiracy theories, social justice nonsense and opinions with no facts.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kinda like everything you post
Why should I be surprised?
Anyhoo, that article has no more worthwhile opinions that my own the only difference is I project forward many decades of facts rather than pick out the one decade in the last 75yrs they did well and use that as a basis of why they'll do well in the future.
I love how the “author” talks about the narrowing of inequality ignoring that's is free money to slumdwellers barely moving them into what the gov't claims to be a middle class. All of that will be reversed and it end up pulling people who where legitimate middle class into poverty.
Just like in Venezuela.
The vast majority of Soy (grains) is most likely unprofitable in Brazil next year. High taxes, high interest rates, $ depreciation, over burdensome work regs will kill what little mfg they do so they'll have continued unemployment increases.
There's nothing good projected for at least the next 5 yrs out of Brazil.
It may get very much worse very quickly.
Quicker than they can get control of it.
Watch and see.
15 yankeeboy
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well it should fit right in with the rest of you opinionators.
16/ Like Skip said, these are not even your opinions you're just posting other people's conspiratorial socialist drivel.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you even think for yourself?
You're a loser
A total loser
My posts are opinions that over time have proven to be much more right than wrong.
Maybe if you want to be taken seriously you should try it
Right now you're no better than Toby posting obscure irrelevant nonsense that has little to do with reality.
Your country and your allies have unpayable debts increasing. Every day you need more and more of the world, and the world began to turn away. I think it's too early to call someone a loser, but who is closest of this condition are you.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 018. Brazil is a large holder of those debts so you better hope we don't fail.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid monkey you have no idea what you're talking about.
It is sad.
Brazil is so structured and cautious that not use or move that money. Only we will not buy more US debt. Money invested in US treasuries serve as a buffer against speculation of yourself.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will need to make sacrifices to overcome this moment of change in the world economic structure. The world runs to the East. When we get there, your country can keep the money invested by Brazil in US treasuries because it will not be worth anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk1Q9y6VVy0&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=3
17 yankeeboy
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So your an expert at reading tea-leaves is that it? Lets see what the adages on “winners” like you say, oh yes, I couldn't have said it better. “We must make a personal attack when there is no argumentative basis for our speech.” Cicero, Pro Flacco, c.58. B.C
Brasshole......did you read about the Rousey/Correia fight? 34 seconds.....is this how all you Brasileiro's fight?
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Within 2 years Brazil will start using reserves to support the currarncy and to pay debt both the country's debt and pbr.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terry I calls them as I sees them.
Youre a loser.
I figured that out long ago.
Figured I should tell ya
23 yankeeboy “I calls them as I sees them.” Amazing what you can discern from peering at the bottom of a tea-cup. But, since you are not an economist and provide no support for your guesses, thats not going to happen for certain. “The herd instinct among forecasters makes sheep look like independent thinkers.” Edgar R. Fiedler
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 022 Captain Poppy
Thats a nice display of poppycock, as you've just displayed your complete ignorance of Brazil's participation in WWII, fighting with great valor in Italy.
Who says im not an economist?
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ive never said what I do.
Thats as good a possibility as anything.
Maybe I work for a think tank and my job is to war game scenarios for SoAm...
Maybe
Dufus.
25 yankeeboy “Who says im not an economist?”
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do your statements are not those of a prudent, thoughtful professional. I'm not a Proctologist but I know an asshole when I meet one. You're exactly what you appear to be, a rabid wingnut who's not too smart. As to economics “You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.” Edward Flaherty
@ 26 Terry Hillock
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(an appropriate diminution from The Brainless One)
“I'm not a Proctologist but I know an asshole”
Yes, we are aware of your pastime of nailing arseholes! What you do in your own time is your business of course.
What is it with you and sex? You behave like a male virgin, but that would be 'virgin' on the ridiculous, wouldn't it (an easy 'get back' there for you :o) )?
BTW: is this the Edward Flaherty you so admire? Like you he is a troll and an inveterate liar, lacking in a view of his own?
I bet it is, if not POST THE LINK!
http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com/2008/06/compound-interest-paradox-revisited_14.html
Sweetie do you spend all your time searching for clever quotes?
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dufus.
27 ChrisR
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Natasha Hakimi Zapata she's a poet! But you are obviously the author of your own stupidity . Oops! what a sore loser, hows your Ha, ha, ha going. “Like you he is a troll and an inveterate liar,” another assertion without one iota of proof, is simply a fallacy once again .
Nosek also stated: “Polling data and social and political science research do show that prejudice is more common in those who hold right-wing ideals that those of other political persuasions,” www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html It's not your fault you “may simply be dumb”.
Gads you're tiring.
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lemme guess you're not married...
@20 brASSHOLE
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Brazil is so structured and cautious that not use or move that money. Only we will not buy more US debt. Money invested in US treasuries serve as a buffer against speculation of yourself”.
Where do you get this crap from ?? Sure, Brazil is “so structured and cautious”, that we are NOT in the middle of a political and financial crisis . That is what fatty Dilma says, then, you gobble up all the shit that she and the PT put on your plate. You must be fulla worms...
@ 30 yankeeboy
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Lemme guess you're not married...”
But he has a companion!
The only people I know with a 'companion' are old women who employ a younger woman to look after them.
Thinking about that it probably fits!
Given all the argie numbnuts on here I think he surpasses even them for idiocy without realising he is doing it.
Still, you have to smile.
32. I am guessing the companion is a Cat.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0and its probably smarter than that goofball.
Ah! the old fall-back of the lame and defeated, the most basic logical fallacy of all the argumentum ad hominem.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm impressed; I've never met such a small minds inside such a big heads before.
Are you always idiots or just when I'm around?
Save your breath, you'll need it to blow up your dates
Goofball, As i said we're not debating.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't even respond to posts without quoting something irrlevant
Just like Voice.
Gads you're thick.
Some light reading for the South American economic miracle. Yup......as I said last year......Venezuela the new Cuba, Argentina the new Venezuela and Brazil the new Argentina. And China and Russia........forget about it!
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://thebricspost.com/brazil-surplus-target-cut-to-stem-real-squeeze-minister/#.Vb-5aPlViko
http://thebricspost.com/brazil-surplus-target-cut-to-stem-real-squeeze-minister/#.Vb-5aPlViko
http://thebricspost.com/brazil-surplus-target-cut-to-stem-real-squeeze-minister/#.Vb-5aPlViko
http://thebricspost.com/brazil-surplus-target-cut-to-stem-real-squeeze-minister/#.Vb-5aPlViko
http://thebricspost.com/brazil-surplus-target-cut-to-stem-real-squeeze-minister/#.Vb-5aPlViko
http://thebricspost.com/brazil-surplus-target-cut-to-stem-real-squeeze-minister/#.Vb-5aPlViko
35 yankeeboy
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“we're not debating” that's for sure, as that would involve a modicum of intelligence, and an application of logic. Which in your case is obviously in short supply.
I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap out a smarter comeback than what you just said.
Don't feel bad. A lot of people have no talent!
Egos like that, definitely rg. His debating is like argentine negotiations.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ooooh she's upset now
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
must have been the joke about her cat.
38 Captain Poppycock “His debating is like argentine negotiations.”
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How would you know because you can't show one thread where you've won a debate with any Argentineans.
39 yankeeboy
Aha, I see the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again!
I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works
I wish I had a lower I.Q., maybe then I could enjoy your company.
What ever you are lacking in intelligence, you more than make up for in stupidity.
Aww did your cat escape?
Aug 04th, 2015 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“How would you know because you can't show one thread where you've won a debate with any Argentineans. ”
Aug 04th, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this what you think this is about? You blithering moron, pay your bills and grow up as a nation, in the meantime life with the insults of the world you RG's rightfully earned. Then and maybe then the world will debate with you. If I did not hate Kirchner's so much I might feel sorry for you La campa's. Oh and when you do grow up, work on your insults. too.
@40 Terence
Aug 04th, 2015 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even you should have realized by now that it is impossible to “win” a “debate” with any of the Argy trolls. First, it is not a 'debate', second, no matter what you say to them, whether fact based on decisions of international courts, or reality as percieved by 99% of normal people, they'll always come back with an answer based on what they 'want', regardless of how absurd...Unless you agree with them straight off the bat, good luck in trying to get any sense out of them.
42 Captain Poppycock: So you've never effectively taken a position any issue and proved you're right to the exclusion of any other possibility? You idiot I'm not an Argie, I'm from the other end of the continent. Thats what happens when you accept assertions without proof. If you check out the thread I've posted even you can grasp that I'm not,
Aug 04th, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have just about enough intelligence to open your mouth when you want to eat, but certainly no more.
43 Jack Bauer: “it is impossible to “win” a “debate” with any of the Argy trolls.” I beg to differ, while they may not accept they are beaten, the evidence shows they are.
You might not have noticed but there are no Argentines attempting anymore legal or historical claims to Falklands, and it's not due to any persuasive arguments that you've presented, as they're noted by their absence. Try the following for example at http://en.mercopress.com/2015/06/11/falklands-triggers-strong-reply-from-cameron-when-timerman-brings-up-the-issue-at-celac-eu-summit
101 DerkeBlake: “Terence Hill.. ..Your postings are far too logical, reasonable, and well thought-out..”
117 DerkeBlake:” @115 Terence Hill .. ..Anyway, I do get a chuckle out of you whacking him around like a kitten unravelling (how metaphorically appropriate) a ball of yarn; so thanks for that. I just wish you were more evenly matched.“
195 Skip: ”Terence, When they can't refute what you write then they attempt to character assassinate.“
196 Pete Bog: ”I am amused at how Terence Hill follows his arguments with evidence“
131 Troy Tempest:” @129 think/voice.. ..I see Terry is mopping the floor with you, AGAIN!!“
138 Troy Tempest: ”@137 Terry Nice, game set and match..”
@44 Terence
Aug 04th, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“43 Jack Bauer: “it is impossible to “win” a “debate” with any of the Argy trolls.” I beg to differ, while they may not accept they are beaten, the evidence shows they are”.
There you go again, splitting hairs......everyone understood what I said.. ....except you..... I wonder why ??
“You might not have noticed but there are no Argentines attempting anymore legal or historical claims to Falklands, and it's not due to any persuasive arguments that you've presented, as they're noted by their absence.”
You serious ?? “no Argentines attempting anymore legal or historical claims to Falklands” ??
Terence, what world do you live in ? You sure you can read ?.....the link you attached just proves that Timberman and Filmus, under CFK's wise guidance, are dedicating their pathetic existences to claiming the Falklands as Argy sovereign territory .... you been sniffing again ?? I guess you were under the influence when CFK announced she was creating the “Malvinas Ministry”, just to deal with that unfounded claim...
And just fyi, I have never presented - or tried to present - arguments to convince the trolls that Argentina doesn't have any sovereign rights over the islands - but I have told them many times that they are barking up the wrong tree....I think you've got your wires crossed with some other poster....
45 Jack Bauer
Aug 04th, 2015 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go again, splitting hairs......everyone understood what I said.. ....except you..... I wonder why ?? Obviously when I make an assertion and show you a thread as proof, unless you're a complete retard; a fortiori I can only be referring to the posters on the forum.
@46 Terence
Aug 05th, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You “made an assertion”, without supporting it....what happened to your 'burden of proof' ??
The rest, “ 'a fortiori' I can only be referring to the posters on the forum”, is a sign that you haven't been reading their posts....all it takes is any mention of the Falklands' sovereignty , and the Argy trolls come out in full force, defending the Argentine claim.....go back and read a few of their posts.....and I'm referring to the posts of the Argy trolls.....
And since you were referring to the trolls, why post the link at all ??
Are your knickers too tight ??
47 Jack Bauer
Aug 05th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must have made it your lifelong journey to blame others for what you do yourself. I as my assertion answered fully and completely your statement re: post 43 “it is impossible to “win” a “debate” with any of the Argy trolls” As I have shown re: post 44 with copies of endorsements from en.mercopress.com/2015/06/11/falklands-triggers-strong-reply-from-cameron-when-timerman-brings-up-the-issue-at-celac-eu-summit that you certainly can. Then in post 45 you try alter the focus from your “Argy trolls”, which is the only issue on the table, to “Timberman and Filmus”. Then after you revert yet again too, “all it takes is any mention of the Falklands' sovereignty, and the Argy trolls come out in full force,” Are you on drugs? as all my posts were exclusively about sovereignty, and there was only only one troll involved. You occasionally stumble over the truth, but you quickly pick yourself up and carry on as if nothing happened.
@48 Terence,
Aug 05th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would engage you in further discussion if I thought I could get any sense out of you. This could carry on endlessly, “you said, I said, etc...”
So, enough said. .....but thanks for being so magnanimous near the end (“...occasionally stumble over the truth”....).
49 Jack Bauer
Aug 05th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I noted you relied exclusively on “you said” while all my posts relied on the relevant written evidence and not sophistry like yourself.
More alternative SN's
Aug 06th, 2015 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50
Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Super “superior Terry”.......always right, even when you're wrong.
52 Jack Bauer
Aug 06th, 2015 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be right because its another naked assertion and you don't bother with proofs, what conceit.
@53 Terence
Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get off your soap-box, numbnuts.
54 Jack Bauer
Aug 06th, 2015 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for confirming my assertion by failing to refute it preacher. Sorry there isn't any soap-boxs left as you have the total monopoly on them all bozo.
@55 Terence
Aug 07th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've confirmed nothing....but you have....your feeling of self-importance.
And, yr “total monopoly on soap-boxes”....r u nuts ?
56 Jack Bauer
Aug 07th, 2015 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I've confirmed nothing” Oh yes you have twice, first:
“qui tacet consentiré videtur-lit. he who keeps silent is assumed to consent; silence gives consent....Thus, who keeps silent consents; silence means consent; silent consent is same as expressed consent; consent by conduct is as good as expressed consent.,,,
SOMA'S DICTIONARY OF LATIN QUOTATIONS MAXIMS AND PHRASES
A Compendium Of Latin Thought And Rhetorical Instruments For The Speaker Author...
Secondly, Ignoring the Burden of Proof: ”...he who asserts must prove. An assertion is a statement offered as a conclusion without supporting evidence. Since an argument is defined as a logical relationship between premise and conclusion, a simple assertion is not an argument. ...”
http://learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm
@57
Aug 07th, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terence
Yr 1st paragraph just confirms that you are nut job.
Yr 2nd, there again you go with “burden of proof”.........
When challenged you deny whay you have written.
Get lost.
58 Jack Bauer
Aug 07th, 2015 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a perfect example of Ignoring the Burden of Proof “When challenged you deny whay you have written.” But you can't show one instance where this has happened. I'm sorry the first part of my last post was way beyond your limited comprehension. But, it's completely logical which is the cause of your difficulty.
@59 Terence
Aug 08th, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...a perfect example...” All according to the 'Rules of Terence'. But it's good to see you do have an opinion, even if you haven't submitted it to the 'burden of proof'.
60 Jack Baue
Aug 09th, 2015 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here you go, and you remain a revealed liar to all a sundry, as cannot show one instance of what claim. “When challenged you deny whay you have written.”
Logical Fallacies; Ignoring the Burden of Proof:
“Generally speaking, he who asserts must prove. An assertion is a statement offered as a conclusion without supporting evidence. Since an argument is defined as a logical relationship between premise and conclusion, a simple assertion is not an argument...”
http://learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm
@61
Aug 09th, 2015 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terence
”Liar', in 'your' irrelevant opinion. Your entire world revolves around your ridiculously exagerated insistence that people prove, beyond doubt, anything they may assert....Is this because you have always sat on the fence and tried (unsuccessfully) to defend the indefensible ? Instead of coming back with a reasonable counter argument, you prefer to demand they provide proof to support their opinions ? Convenient if you don't know what you are talking about.
You refuse to accept people's generally accepted opinions on current events, such as, on Dilma's (and Lula's) direct link to the corruption scheme within PB, on the unfounded claims to the Falklands by the Argy trolls and the CFK Government , so let's turn it around :
In the 'absence' of proof of 1) Dilma's / Lula's innocence in all the corruption they are presently being accused of ; or 2) in the absence of proof of Argentina's sovereignty over the Falklands ....do you simply accept their 1) declarations of innocence , or 2) their claims to the contrary, just because they say so ?
I imagine that your principles sway with the wind, that you are a person who is unable to maintain a dialogue with anyone, without interrupting and demanding they produce the 'burden of proof'.........do you actually have any friends, or just acquaintances that keep their fair distance from you ??
Your big mouth is just to cover up your mediocrity.
62 Jack Bauer
Aug 09th, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can blab all you want but my post reveals you for what you are, a liar. You make untruthful accusation and cannot provide one iota of proof, and are not even man enough to apologize. So you can't rely on the fall-back position of oops a mistake. It was deliberate lie intended to smear a party who is able to show what a big empty blusterer you really are.
@63 Terence
Aug 10th, 2015 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yr posts are verbal diarrhoea ; You tell me where I have deliberately lied ....be specific, and don't bother coming back with your useless theories on 'burden of proof'.....And if you take such offense to, and consider my accusations against Lula, PT etc, untruthful, I can only conclude you are a stinkin' red 'petista', and you firmly believe the only truth is yours.
And you even have the cheek to ask me to apologize......are you brain dead ??
Have to agree with ChrisR, you are indeed the 'brainless one'.
64 Jack Bauer
Aug 10th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You stated re: post 58 “When challenged you deny whay you have written.” When I challenged you to produce any example, you cannot. So that makes you proven liar. Always trying for moral high ground. But, the only proven wrong doer is you with lying and your copious libeling. You claim much much but it's always unproven empty rhetoric.
Like you, Chris engages in argumenta ad hominems because he always bested. “We must make a personal attack when there is no argumentative basis for our speech.” Cicero, Pro Flacco, c.58. B.C
@65 Terence
Aug 10th, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My #58, refers to yr # 57, which I presume goes way back to my #43 where I wrote “Even you should have realized by now that it is impossible to “win” a “debate” with any of the Argy trolls”.
You replied, @ yr #44, ”I beg to differ, while they may not accept they are beaten, the evidence shows they are. You might not have noticed but there are no Argentines attempting anymore legal or historical claims to Falklands….etc.”
Was not 100% sure whether you were referring to the Argy trolls or to Timmerman/Filmus, but in either case, I disagreed with you, based on the recently created Ministry of the Malvinas in Argentina. In yr #46 you came back saying it was obvious you could only be referring to the Argy posters ; Well, Mr.Hill, not all that obvious......and based on THAT, and that alone, you accuse me, without proof, of being a liar ? Ah, of course, something you would never do. What a wanker !
So based on what in retrospect seems to be a misunderstanding, you have decided you know me, and start with endless crap about 'burden of proof', rules and G knows what else. For someone who goes around spouting the rules of 'Fair Play', you are a disappointment.
And why use so many quotations ? can't you think up your own stuff ? Just a rhetorical question.
And last of all , your staunch defense of the “Brazilian Democracy”, under other headlines in MP, such as yr #22 in “Rouseff, ever so weak…”, in response to Tik-Tok” => “I have never made any political claims about Brazil. In fact it is you numbnuts who is implying that it is not a “great bastion of democratic rule”. Therefor, it you who bear's the Burden of Proof learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm. There is no onus on me under the rules of logic to refute your assertion”......
is strong evidence that either you are misinformed with regards to the PT’s very particular 'style' of democracy, or that you are plain stupid. Take your pick..
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