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Argentine farmers at Palermo show opening: “please don't vote for 'populist adventures'”
Argentine farmers have taken sides decisively ahead of events leading to the presidential election in October and the primaries next weekend. At the opening of the country's major Palermo agriculture show in Buenos Aires, the head of the Argentine Rural Society Luis Etchevehere called on his fellow citizens to avoid supporting “democratically elected leaders but intoxicated with authoritarianism” and “populist adventures”. Read full article
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Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Times up for the geese.
Farming is quickly becoming unprofitable in Argentina
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see why they're worried
Doesn't really matter who gets elected. They can't avoid the disastrous outcomes that the Ks have set up for the country.
Hyperinflation and Depression
No matter who gets elected.
At last - someone saying something sensible about Argentina's political situation but will the electorate listen to him?
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I seriously doubt that the core K voters would understand what this guy is saying and as for reading about important topics - forget it.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TDC is spiralling out of control, in a death spin with no qualified pilot in charge to kick the rudder the other way: GOOD!
Scioli didn't even have the balls to show up at the show. What an ass clown
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your Comment
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Etchevehere is a liar...
During the Junta M. ruling ARG. Martinez de Hoz (recalcitrant conservative) put in place a policy to boost “El campo” as a main source of wealth production in ARG. while promoting the destruction of the ARG.'s Industrial complex.
The famous propaganda against national products
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJS3CbmOWf4
They even promoted the image of Argentina as large farm and even for world cup of 1978 they used a Cow boy (Gaucho) playing with a ball as a ARG. logo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJS3CbmOWf4
The farmers become the start of the economy in ARG. while the country ended up taking huge debt, that created a speculative bubble that was know as “Plata dulce”(sweet
money) when dollars where getting in like a water fall like in UK you know?.
At that time Argentina has more than 500 banks resgitered playing the ponzy schem and everyone thought that they could live from speculation like in US and UK happening today.
Things were going on like this until 2001 crash.
By year 2003 farmers producers in Argentina went broke or facing bankruptcy or having their land near to be foreclosed by the banks despite the pro farming policy and the 1=1 dollar peg that the “Sociedad Rural” love it so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJS3CbmOWf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJS3CbmOWf4
Just one bank “Banco Nacion” (state owned) in March 2003 had 12 millions hectares or 29,65 millions Acres ready for foreclosure and that was stopped by the govt.
They were crying like babies to the govt. for bailouts,etc
They got a new law to avoid to be foreclosed (2003 Ley de salvataje 25.798), soft credit lines to start to produce again, even today they have soft credit at 7%.
I didn't see none of them complaining when they were receiving money from BA taxpayers to save they shitty farms.
Failing business should go belly up...
In Argentina's context, call the members of the Rural Society “farmers” is a long stretch.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These guys are “estancieros,” who have never soiled their hands with dirt or horse sweat. They have extremely large properties where they rarely set foot; they live in Buenos Aires and travel often to NY or Paris, where their children study.
However, it is good to see how times have changed: the Rural Society is now telling people how to vote. In the past, they couldn't care less. They would be talking to the generals to set the date for the next coup.
@7
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why aren't you more concerned with how the members of the K-gov't (or any other Peronista-gov't) live? They are all multi-millionaires, and that without even having to administrate something than actually creates value.
If you had an unbiased view of Argentina, you would have come to the conclusion that the Argentine political class are the new 'estancieros' who send their children to NY/London/Paris. Same sh*t, new wrapping - like so many times before in World history.
Reeekie gets one right!!!!
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This proves that once you proclaim something is universally one way - there will be an exception.
When you get past subsistance it's a business.
Have one or more employees and it's a small business.
Ten million US investment and you've got a medium sized enterprise.
Multinational ownership with interests in transportation and processing and you've got big business.
It's agri-business of differing scales.
The farmer needs a wife-the farmer needs a wife]
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0e I yipeo the farmer need a wife,
CFK - widow, perfect candidate .
@Briton
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would change it for...
The farmer needs a brain-the farmer needs a brain]
e I yipeo the farmer need a brain,
Now now Jonas, let's be fair. They were not multi millionaires when they went into politics.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to ask to the gurus in politics here like Jonaz_BsAs & Captain Poopy, etc. how a politician get rich while their only job is in the public sector...
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No allowed to say stealing or whatever generalising, just I want to know how is the process...
I'm so sure that I will not get any answer because they don't know...
13. Why ask them, ask on CFK's twitter feed. How someone with no education becomes a Billionaire after leaving office?
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like Chavez or the Castro's
or any other slimy dictator you want to add.
Slimy?
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like -
Chavez
Castro
Putin
Clinton
. . . .
Clintons are slimy but theyre not dictators.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0They both should be in jail.
And maybe soon for hrc.
One can hope
@13
Aug 04th, 2015 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really, you don't know? And you defend these bastards as if it was your mission in life? Jeezes..
As a public servant in Argentina, stealing must be the easiest feat of all. The Kirchners did it this way:
Nestor Kirchner started off in Santa Cruz by screwing over his best friend for heritage money which he subsequently used in order to become intendente (mayor) and then governor of Santa Cruz. As governor he got his hands on 1,5 bn USD (oil revenues, this is very well documented) he used to launch his presidential candidacy, paying off the necessary mafias (Duhalde etc) in order to become elected. It is beyond proven that the K's have at least siphoned off 5bn USD but the number is likely way above 20bn.
How do they do it? Easy, just start a public project, building some infrastructure, hospitals, schools, housing for the poor, then systematically siphon off 10%-50% of the budget by giving the contracts to your own companies, run by straw-men, 'testaferros', then send the money in cash to some offshore account in the Seychelles, Antilles, Panama etc or just keep it in Califate. La década ganada!!!
When people in Argentina defend the K-regime they do it either due to ignorance or they have become blinded by the ideology these people masquerade under. Do you really believe CFK is a socialist? Has she ever wore clothing/jewellery to a price tag under 100k USD?
@17 Well said. The silly overseas Argentine contributors swallow the idealism without looking at the reality.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and don't forget the empty hotels that are booked 'full' by the K's companies in order to funnel money into the K's pockets.
@Jonaz_BsAs
Aug 04th, 2015 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are repeating “La Nata tale” like the huge steel vault that then was not of steel and later was not not even a vault and in the end was only a little room of 1 sq m to store papers.
Do you remember?
The architect presented by La Nata as a witness and who was the constructor of the room in is own program demissed La Nata accusations.
The poor man was for 30 minutes repeating “La Nata is not a vault” and La Nata repeat “Is a vault”, nope said the architect I made it,
Then La Nata just obfuscated and getting angry repeat ok was not a vault but was used to store 1.5bn, the man repeat nope was to store papers could not fit U$s1.5mm in tis little room and the door opens to the inside, etc.
Anyway
1- I never believe that the K were socialist
2-About what ideology are you talking about?
3-The problem with you is that you don't have any argument credible to back your fantasy tales and when you run off “El relato anti K” you resort eh! che! choripanero ciego de idiologia, bubu lala.
4- The only one that seems to be blinded here by ideology is you because I start to think that your are a “zurdito Trokista”.
I'm right????
@17. No one in - even in rotting roadkill - is that blind or ignorant. All Cretina's supporters are bought and paid for - one way or another.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
Aug 04th, 2015 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all. If anything, I'm a pragmatist who want this country to prosper.
There are more than enough evidence of corruption for any court in a modern society to sentence the entire K-gov't to long prison terms. Heck, just look at the real estate these 'socialists' own. Several million dollar mansions for public servants AND their families? Really?
No one is blinder than he who will not see. I give you the last word, you are a waste of time.
@20
You clearly haven't got a clue what's going on in Argentina and your posts are only noise.
@21 Just about as relevant as your jibber jabber on baexpats.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#21 Jonaz BsAs
Aug 04th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There are more than enough evidence of corruption for any court in a modern society to sentence the entire K-gov't to long prison terms.”
Says who?
Why! Jonaz, of course! He must know!
Meanwhile, not a single court case has proven anything. However, it´s commonplace among opposition members to claim the “Ks” are corrupt and at the same time complaint about the “fear” that reigns in Argentina. (See Mirtha Legrand).
Not a very coherent discourse. Either the “Ks” are a dictatorship--and nobody would be talking in that case--or they are so tolerant everybody can spew total nonsense accusations, as it happened ad nauseum during the cacerolero events.
You got to choose.
@23
Aug 04th, 2015 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“not a single court case has proven anything” = I call BS: Felicia Micheli was found guilty of corruption so you better sharpen up your knowledge so that your lies can't be exposed so easily.
With regards to the rest of the gov't: These people live in mansions that can not possibly be explained by their modest public servant pay-checks. Only people with their heads thrusted far up their behinds - that is, people like yourself - would 'argue' otherwise.
Good Read...
Aug 04th, 2015 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-04/argentina-is-land-of-great-economists-awful-economy
Economists are not very good at understanding the vagaries of politics, mass movements, power transitions and the like. Nor is anyone else, for that matter. Studying optimal monetary policy or fiscal policy is well and good, but it’s a lot more likely to help a stable country like the U.S. than an unstable country like Argentina. The best macroeconomic policies are no good if they depend on the worst people to implement them.
1-Theory according with the braindwashed
Aug 05th, 2015 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0They accused the K to become rich since 1976 when they have a lawyer firm in RG and thanks to the 1050 law implemented by Martinez de Hoz
So they bought properties cheap at miserable prices and they got in between 22 to 40 properties at that time depending of the media source.
Example La nacion publication on “Viernes 27 de diciembre de 2013.” 22 properties
22 properties just taking a house in the area that average cost could be U$s100k that would be U$s2.2m.
They sure profit from renting it $3000 average per/month would give a profit of U$s7.244,78 per month and U$s86.937,43 in 12 years profit would be U$s1.05M.
With that money they could make other investment like Hotesur that according with clarin the cost was of $10m pesos so their capital and cash flow would increase sustantialy.
that will explain that the K were let say more or less well off before they got into politics as NK first position in a govt. was in 1987.
2- Theory they got rich stealing 1.5bn dollars in cash from oil royalties that they stored in 1 sq m metal vault.
Oil royalties are paid by electronic money transfers the money is never fisical stored in any bank to start with.
How can someone possibly stores 1.5bn dollars in a Vault of 1 sq m for 2mt height???
That amount of money would have a volume of 15m3 the vault should be 15m height and with a hole in the top to drop the 1m3 of U$s96m each and with a winch to take them back.
So they would be the first idiots in the world to make a vault with a hold in the top to be easy robbed.
To move that money you would need 5 Armored Truck and a crane to bring the money to 15m high.
3-Theory they got rich by taking 10% brives from public projects, etc
Well if that would be true RG would have U$s15bn spent in public infrastructure but how can that be possible is the total budget for a year is U$s112M ???
They would need 134 years to spend that amount even using the whole budget.
26. You left out the 16000% increase in Ephedrine imports that have happened under the filthy drug dealing Ks.
Aug 05th, 2015 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You also left out the 15% “customs” fee between Arg and Venezuela for all trade between the two nations.
You left out the approx U$350MM in interest payments that were missing from the deposits of Oil Rev while in a Swiss Bank accnt while Nestor was Prez.
You left out the land that was owned by SC province sold to the Ks for $1/hectare then turned around and sold for U$1000/hectare.
You left out the arbitrage they've done between the U$ govt rate and the street rate.
on and on and on and on and on
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