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“You can't understand Pope Francis without Juan Peron and Evita Peron” says the Washington Post
Pope Francis will be visiting the United States next September, where he will address the United States congress, the United Nations General Assembly and attend the Family Congress to be held in Philadelphia. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhen the USA conservative Catholics decide they're not going to donate $ any longer this Marxist will be put out to pasture.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is a complete and utter failure.
A great article. Very enjoyable. I'm not religious and am thankful that my country is becoming less religious but still fascinating nonetheless.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 02. Without religion Australia will go the way of Europe, soulless statists with no moral direction.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be careful what you wish for...
@4 The UK is pretty much a post-religious society and we have morals. I absolutely don't agree that you need to be religious to have morals. Religion plays no part in our politics and that is how it should be.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 USA conservative catholics? What a contradiction. But then again they oppose abortion despite loving eugenics and hating Latinos and Blacks and wanting to wipe them off the planet. I guess they want to have people they can exploit and denigrate more.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should convert to Judaism or Protestanism which are more consistent with their beliefs.
USA Catholics hate blacks and latinos? Where do you get that nonsense? I would think most of their charity goes directly to those two groups and the latinos in the USA are mostly Catholic.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Magnus, you have some very silly notions of the USA.
Elaine, I think the UK got off the good path when it became more secular. I think that's why its having an identity crisis the past 30-40yrs.
Agreed Elaine
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Religion in politics is downright creepy. Politicians can have beliefs but they shouldn't use office to propagate or impose those. They should govern according to what is best for their constituents and the country, not what their religion tells them is best. That is what a liberal democracy is all about.
I'd much prefer to emulate Europe on religion than America. However believing that religion or lack thereof creates or disincentivises government control or intervention is pretty simplistic.
The United States believes in laissez-faire with a strong streak of protectionism for its economic model-a winner takes all model with a deep sense of governmental distrust. That isn't because it is a religious society. Nor is Europe's more social model because it is becoming more irreligious.
Australia is not on the way to becoming Europe and thank God it isn't on its way to becoming for American. We have our own path and take some of both. Sometimes not always the best but thankfully not always the worse. I much prefer to have a slightly lower standard of living so that there is more social and economic equality in my country than have my prosperity built on the need for a permanent economic underclass.
If that is statism then I'm all for it.
@ 3 yankeeboy
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Religion, especially the bat-shit mad ones centred on an individual asking Yanks to give money to him for Jesus so popular in the US today has made your country the laughing stock of the world.
I am an atheist yet hold the strongest of morals imaginable, some say too strong when it comes to vapourising the Saudi Peninsula to stop the world-wide slaughter of non-believers (that's everybody who is not a Muslim) and executing 10,000 Peronista argies to stop the 15M others from ruining Argentina, etc. but why not? Doing these things would resolve the suffering of multi-millions of innocents whereas religion has always ended up sitting on the fence or worse such as causing wars 'for God's sake'.
As for the POTUS having to perpetually say 'God bless America' does anybody really take any notice of that apart from the religious nut-jobs?
I am pleased I gave up the manmade mumbo jumbo of my early years and see no need at all for it.
Skip, If you don't think Europe has a permanent underclass you've not been looking very hard.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chris, Everyone has their own path.
The only reason I posted on here is because this new Pope is horrible, he's a social justice warrior in all the bad connotations that comes with it, stirring up the poor uneducated masses with Marxism. If he riles up the US Catholics and they stop donating or start talking about breaking away from Rome again he'll be out. The Catholic Church can't survive long without the U$ donation.
No more posts from me about Religion.
:)
@9 Yeah, I got that it was more about the Pope being Argentine. He isn't Marxist at all which is explained in the article. He is Peronist but that doesn't mean he is the K's brand of the cult, and I don't think he is.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 The U.S, turn politics and religion into a sport. When it comes to politics they have the 'with us or against us' attitude. With religion they get competitive and take it to the nth degree. I have catholic friends in Italy and the US but there is no comparison in the way they practise their religion.
I don't know but guess it is rooted in the fact that when the US was being populated everyone was welcome and in establishing the new life each religion wanted to define it and make it better than the others. That is the competitive side that is evident in the US and probably will never change. Nor would they want to.
When researching something a few years ago I came across a poll that stated that 56% of Americans would not vote for an atheist president. So, regardless of their personal beliefs, every president is going to keep saying “God Bless America”.
Personally, people's faith is their own business in my eyes, except when they try to assert moral superiority. :)
At 4.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree. Religion is not what gives us morals.
If you need religion to keep you moral, we are in a very bad way.
@6 It's not American catholics who hate blacks and latinos, it's American conservatives regardless of their religion. Not all of them are racists but a lot of them are, and they have a lot of influence in both the government and the markets.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have seen a lot of prejudiced people like you, and some way worse, all over the Internet and they are all American conservatives.
England made real progress when it dumped Popery in the time of Henry VIII and later exported religious nutcases to America (they are still there!) As for a British identity crisis, never have we been more certain of who we are and what we want to be. The nation with the identity crisis is the US of A and it started in 1963 when Kennedy was gunned down by a maniac, its still going on big time and getting worse and worse. Then we had Bush and his 'Rednecks Revenge' on the ragheads and look where that has got the world! A bloodbath of misery for millions. As a result many of my American friends are ashamed of their country. Bush got away with it, but here B Liar is a universally hated pariah.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lennon was correct and he had a better message than Jesus.
Religion stinks and politics guided by religion is pure putrid evil. You dont need any religion to have morals. A significant factor in the backwardness of SA is Popery, the same problems faced by Club Med countries.
Yawn.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Religion = CoE
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who we are =British,
politics = Corupt
Bush = Hedge
bloodbath = Bubble bath,
You don't need a place of religion to Pray
you don't need politicians,
still,
some need the pope, and some don't.etc etc .
@13 I think the 'dumping' of the Pope as head of religion in England was a lot more to do with the Latin translation of the bible at that time- inserting a lot of control of the people and abuse of power that didn't exist. But let us not forget the money aspect. Henry was rather partial to taking the considerable amount of money collected by the monasteries for himself rather than it being sent to Rome.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think we exported religious nuts either - they chose to go, with a little persecution helping their decision making.
Religion was a matter of life or death for the Reformation period. It is probably why it is still considered an unsuitable topic for the dinner table.
so funny.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, for a bunch of american fascists bergoglio is a marxista.
for a bunch of argentinian marxistas, he is a fascist.
for a bunch of ultra K, he was a traitor, and now they are trying to appear as his best friends.
for julio barbaro, he is a peronista.
an so on.
the thing is he is a catholic, formed in the doctrina social de la iglesia, which is an argentinian movement, hence it has nothing to do with marxism.
marxism does not exist here.
and, when was the acción católica linked with the peronismo?
never.
they were linked with the g.o.u., most of all through the chaplain wilkinson, but the peronismo de perón o de kirchner was always an opponent on the church here.
ignoramuses.
I am a Catholic and my most fervent desire is that the current Pope follows his predecessor into retirement at the earliest opportunity - like today!
Aug 04th, 2015 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 017. You might want to tell Austral Elvis and his ilk that Marxism doesn't exist.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All those “isms” are the same anyway no matter what you call them.
they ruin people's lives and make the country as a whole devolve.
@17 cara de dos ortos podridos
Aug 04th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“la doctrina social de la iglesia, which is an argentinian movement, hence it has nothing to do with marxism.” Please prove that it is a unique “argentine movement” - you can't!
Boludo!
gordo forro.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what happens gayest fatso on earth?
are you obsessed with me... again?
get a boyfriend fartso.
yankeeboy
so??
kicillof could be whatever the fuck he wants.
he and probably 10 imbeciles more are the only communists you can find here.
and let me tell you, try not to confuse comunism with the pensamiento social cristiano.
it has nothing to do.
@21 cara de dos ortos podridos
Aug 04th, 2015 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you a total moron? Don't answer that! You ARE a total moron!
Anyway, just have a look at this http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20060526_compendio-dott-soc_sp.html
There is no denial that the Catholic Church remains a force to reckon with in Latin America, and here we have an Argentine Pope who has surprised the world with an extremely progressive agenda.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, this gives the willies to those who used to have the Church as an allied in anesthetizing the masses and making life easier for the powerful.
Sometimes a single person can change the course of history, and Francisco seems to be one of them. Let's hope he is given enough time to complete his mission.
Nothing worse than a fat person living in luxury telling others they should be more generous.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#24 YB
Aug 05th, 2015 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yes. There is something much worse. Somebody (yannkeeboy) expects bad things will happen to people in another country (Argentina) and glossing over his “delightful” anticipation at such prospect.
25. Nah, they did it to themselves by letting filthy corrupted regimes stay in power. I am just pointing out the obvious.
Aug 05th, 2015 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much like a fat wealthy Pope you're a hypocrite and propagandist. Safely ensconced under HM the crown while promoting a regime that has stolen billions for personal gain, allowed drug lords to take over swaths of the country and killing people with impunity and has made the people poorer and dumber while they raped the country.
You're vile.
#26 yankeeboy
Aug 06th, 2015 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May not be perfect. However, I do not have delightful wishes to see people “fighting on the streets of Argentina over the last bag of beans” as yankeeboy has repeatedly stated in this board--ad nauseam.
Oh, by the way--I salute your President, Barack Obama, for his proposal to regulate U.S. coal-burning power plants. I hope big business will fail in their attempts to continue poisoning our planet's atmosphere with their garbage.
Vile retard reekie,
Aug 07th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Street fighting over empty shelves is coming to BA.
I am giddy with anticipation.
Odumbo will never get anything passed and all these regualtions will be tied up in court until the next Prez can undo them.
Im not worried.
His attempt to destroy the usa failed.
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