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Argentine primaries added more expectations to October 25 first round vote
The Cristina Fernandez administration candidate Daniel Scioli, as anticipated, was the presidential hopeful with most votes in Argentina Sunday's open, simultaneous and mandatory primaries, (PASO), in which the different parties chose those who will lead them into the 25 October election to elect the head of the Executive, half the Lower House and a third of the Senate. Read full article
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Aug 10th, 2015 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0WHO GIVES A FUCK?
Aug 10th, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of people didn't vote due to the floods so anything can happen in October. Still this isn't good news for macri. I don't think an agreement with massa is a good idea because massa is a K peronist. He better get 30% or else we will get same old same old.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A WEEK OF STEEL NERVES.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although i have always had so much faith in f. p. v., the operations against the party were stronger than ever, in fact, it's too obvious that it's much worse an accusation of murder, like the one that clarin group made in Lanata's programme against Anibal Fernandez , than an accusation of corruption, that's why i thought that perhaps some people were going to buy the evident operation of those sons of a bitch.
I will believe that Fernandez is the intellectual murder of the tripple crime, as it was said in Lanata's sunday programme, when i see contundent and reliable prooves against him, i would be too imbecile if i believed in the words of a paid assassin, who was sentenced to perpetual prison, who changed his declaration before justice in four opportunities, and whose explanations were discredited by the prosecutor, the judge and the lawyers who intervened in that case.
It's well known that the bad loosers will start saying that more of the half of the argentines voted against kirchnerism, however, what all those mediocre people don't take into account is that after more of 12 years of rulling the nation, f. p. v. is still the main political party of Argentina, which is a priviledge that not many parties around the world can achieve, beside, according to the last figures published on tv some minutes ago, f. p. v. got the 38,5 % of the votes, and cambiemos 30%, which means that f. p. v. is at just 2 points of winning in first turn.
Anyway, even in the case that in october one of the opposition leaders wins the elections, all parties know that nobody won't be able to dismantle the legacy of kirchnerism in social terms, that's why, reality forces even a reactionary like Macri, who had to say that he is disposed to keep the achievements that workers could get in all these years, which shows clearly that conservatives are suffering a hard cultural defeat, which is much worse than an electoral one.
@4
Aug 10th, 2015 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Using fascist writer pharagaph: you are full of hate and afraid becuase you know you might loose your privileges.
There is nothing more conservative than Peronist party, CFK and it's provincial governments.
Peronists Governments decorated Francisco Franco, Augusto Pinochet, General Stressnerr, Batista, Nicolae Caucescu, Gadaffy, Chavez...and signed treaties with Putin and the irani gorvenemt. I have never saw Macri decorating such “democrats”. Who are reactionaries? Macri? I have never saw Macri signing agreements with iran....
keep the achievements that workers could get in all these years?
Inflation higher than 30% yearly, fiscal deficit, lack or reserves, recession, unemployment...you might think that workers collect their salary in U$D...
Good to see Argentina's electors did not bite into the endless barrage of misinformation and outright lies displayed by the country's mainstream media. After several failed attempts, the Clarín group tried to sully candidate Aníbal Fernández' reputation with involvement in a multiple murder just before the preliminary election ended up in total fiasco.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The opposition will need to play by the rules and come up with some decent proposal if it wants to have any chances in October.
@6 It's not the “media”, you can live it every day. Not that you ever did. If the K's get elected again, he will be the one holding the bomb when it goes off. Anyone with any common sense was aware that the “model” was unsustainable since the beginning.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One indicator is that Argentine Pesos are not accepted outside of the country, and places that do trade them do so at a high premium that even exceeds the “blue rate”. You don't need the media on either side to tell you how things are. You have to live it.
Technically, you are believing the Kirchnerite media, and you have no experience to back your opinion.
@7
Aug 10th, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are absolutelly right. Most of the media now are either manage or influenced (with money) by the governement. There are very few independent media.
@6 Enrique, I know that you, as fascist usually do, won't answer any of my questions but I would like to ask you again the following:
As regarding corruption in the top level of the argentine government, even though there are lots of information not quite clear or proved, there are plenty of doubts that should have been clarified.
1) Nobody explained to the people why CFK owns a luxury apartment in the very same building as the vice-president (are they a result of a bribe?).
2) Nobody explained to the people why the Patagonian hotels owned by CFK, and her son, did not issued all the official documents and balances that are mandatory for the law during the last three years without being punished by the Province of the AFIP (Were they trying to hide money laundering?).
3) Nobody explained to the people why the vice-president was the owner of a private consultant bureau that was hire by one of the poorest provinces to assist it to negotiate a debt with the national Central Bank.
4) Nobody explain to the people why Anibal Fernandez (who had been in jail for being driving a stolen car) has more than 600 phone calls with former public servant now fugitive from justice or why a condemned person called him almost 250 times.
#8 pgerman
Aug 10th, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand you are not in your most joyful mood after yesterday's election. However, it's not good to call people names when you disagree with their ideas. Fascists, precisely, use violent means of dealing with dissent.
Your questions are very interesting and I know judges such as Bonadio or Ariel Lijo will gladly take those cases and deal with them.
Now, for your statement:
”Most of the media now are either manage or influenced (with money) by the governement.”
Come on German! Are you taking me and other MP readers for a bunch of fools? Do you--at all--read newspapers?
I did'n think so.
Same thing happened in Venezuela. The masses of poor won and got Maduro who brought them bread lines and street fighting.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't wait until it comes to BA,
@9
Aug 10th, 2015 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not in the mood?
In the most important province of Buenos Aires a PRO candidate was the most voted.
In most of the important provinces of Argentina the CFK peronists candidates were not the most voted ones.
Scioli, a person that was despised, underestimated, ridiculed and insulted by his own people, was not able to asure the political future of the government.
How can you say that CFK peronists triumphed?
Most of the news-papers are conservative ones but they don't reach the majority of the population. The TV, and radio, is mostly controled by the Government.
In addition, peronists are argentine fascists based on history and present. I'm sorry but it might be the time to vote for different candidates if you don't like fascists.
Enrique, again, I would like to read your rational explanations about:
1) Nobody explained to the people why CFK owns a luxury apartment in the very same building as the vice-president (are they a result of a bribe?).
2) Nobody explained to the people why the Patagonian hotels owned by CFK, and her son, did not issued all the official documents and balances that are mandatory for the law during the last three years without being punished by the Province of the AFIP (Were they trying to hide money laundering?).
3) Nobody explained to the people why the vice-president was the owner of a private consultant bureau that was hire by one of the poorest provinces to assist it to negotiate a debt with the national Central Bank.
4) Nobody explain to the people why Anibal Fernandez (who had been in jail for being driving a stolen car) has more than 600 phone calls with former public servant now fugitive from justice or why a condemned person called him almost 250 times.
Like most simpletons, Enrique thinks voting is what makes a democracy function.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voting makes democracy visible.
What makes democracy work is severely lacking in Argentina.
Only two parties called their most important person “leader” in Argentina in the recent times: Biondini's National Flag Party (a sort of fascist clown) and FPV (quire a dangerous fasctis who control Argentina).
Aug 10th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leader = Duce = Fuhrer
I was talking to a friend who was at the polling station Sunday.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He told me something: “Look at these stupid people standing there covered in mud from walking down the dirt/mud road in front of their house. I recognize these faces from 20 years ago. Now 20 years on they still have a dirt road and are still voting for the same people. They will never learn”.
Bitterness is rampant while democracy has taken a new step in Argentina. In spite of miserable weather, Argentines mobilized to vote for whoever they trust without incident.
Aug 11th, 2015 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0This makes me proud. I remember past elections in which political parties were prevented from participating; elections in which we elected a president only to see it through the door prematurely, and elections that just did not happen.
You have come a long way, Argentina!
@15
Aug 11th, 2015 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why doesn't Anibal sue for defamation of character when Clarin supposedly says unthruths about him.
It is either 1) True
2) He feels he will not get justice ( has no faith in the justice system ) by sueing clarin.
There is and you know this that “ justice ” takes a very looooong time in Argentina ( Jewish bombing case and Nisman ( murder or suiside ) ) Christ I am glad that I have left that country' it has gone to pieces.
@15o
Aug 11th, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love the way you avoid the rational discussion. As usual (in my discussions with fascist/peronists) I only listen to epic battles to be won from them.
I would think the bitterness resides in Canada for those whom cannot return to their motherland.....hehehe
Aug 11th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#16 golfcronie
Aug 11th, 2015 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, Fernández has said he will.
Let's also remember that the convicted criminal who “disclosed” the allegations against Fernández said he would repeat his statements in front of a judge. We are still anxiously waiting for that but the story, as I had predicted, has disappeared from Clarín now that the election took place.
Fernández will sue criminally Clarín, Channel 13 of the Clarín Group, as well as Jorge Lanata of Periodismo Para Todos. He will also launch civil action against same.
http://www.elmundo.es/internacional/2015/08/03/55bef535e2704e2d3f8b456c.html
Also, “...Fernandez said that he will also sue Congresswoman Elisa Carrio for defamation, because she lent her apartment to Grupo Clarin journalist Jorge Lanata, where he interviewed one of the persons who accused him of being the “intellectual author” of a 2008 triple assassination.”
http://www.elmundo.es/internacional/2015/08/03/55bef535e2704e2d3f8b456c.html
#18 Cptn Poppy:
You disappoint me Captain. Try to do better.
Argentina had nothing to profitably export next year and they must import massive anounts of fuel.
Aug 11th, 2015 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The anticipation is delightful.
Enri I suggest that you elaborate on your statement because it makes no sense. Try better at what?
Aug 11th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only disappointment you have is being exiled from Argentina. I....am not your source of satisfaction, for if I am, you are truly sorrier than I suspected. When I am strolling along the walk at Puerto Madero and having lunch at Sottovoce, I'll send pictures just for you. Unless of course you will be meeting me at Tortini's. However, something tells me you will not be there.
Missing Dulce de Leche? Assado? Chimichurri? The real stuff, not Canadian. Miss sitting for hours at a coffee shop over a single coffee without being ruched out the door?
Here are the words of an Argentine friend: ”In the best scenario, an alliance between Macri and other non-K candidates
Aug 11th, 2015 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#21 Cptn Poppy
Aug 12th, 2015 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK. I'll try to explain:
“I would think the bitterness resides in Canada for those whom cannot return to their motherland...”
No bitterness, Captain. Pure joy to see my home country on its way to true independence. And I am not exiled.
About the missing things:
I have learned to make an excellent dulce de leche, and I can find here several brands of yerba mate including my favourite, Piporé. Chimichurri: I make my own. Alberta meat is excellent, but, I will admit there's not substitute here for Argentine short ribs, morcilla or chinchulines.
Did I mention that Máximo Kirchner got 65,000 votes in Santa Cruz?
He was followed by Radical Héctor Roquel with 40,700 votes and the Massist candidate got 22,000.
As I said, pure joy.
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201508/115839-maximo-kirchner-santa-cruz-elecciones-paso-2015.html
Reekie misses food but not the rampant inflation, the massive corruption. The crumbling infrastuctre, the swaths of country given to thee drug lords to manage, the hoards of dead eyed children searching through garbage for their next meal, the tens of thousands of vagrants that decemd at dusk to rifle through garbage to find something to sell, the over 2 mm people living in buenos aries slums without running water or sewage...
Aug 12th, 2015 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0On and on
What a pathetic old fool
Not exiled. Then every free person chooses where to live based on what is best for their own life and Canada is apparently better for you than Argentina. You keep cheering how great Argentina is from 6,000 miles away.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know I've cheered for the USA at greater distances.....but you know something? I was wearing a uniform AND.....I was returning. Your hypocrisy is priceless. Maybe you can have your ashes sent to the Recoleta cemetery......next that....well, what unindoctrinated Argentines call, that “whore”, evita. There's a mall across the street....I'll have an espresso for you.
#25 Cptn. Poppy
Aug 12th, 2015 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hypocrisy is a rather strong word, Captain.
It's rather interesting that you would call me “hypocritical” for posting my opinion about my home country in this forum where both foreigners and Argentines freely opine. Would that be my particular views that bother you rather than my travel plans?
You wrong, Captain. I am not cheering about “how great Argentina is...” I see Argentina as a country with great potential that has been held back by a lethal combination of powerful foreign interests and unscrupulous local associates.
I also see Kirchnerism as an interesting political force that, without being perfect, has taken the best possible approach to push the country ahead and recover from past disastrous models.
I know it's “gorilla” commonplace to call Evita a “whore.” It shows the irrational hate that oligarchs nurse for her and their habit of resorting to insult when short of political arguments.
And finally: wrong again, Captain. My ashes will never go to Recoleta--a rather aristocratic cemetery as you know. With luck, I'd go to Chacarita, as close as possible to where Carlos Gardel was buried.
Fair enough......it is your opinion.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok....I'm wrong you are not a hypocrit because you actual choose to live in Canada because it is better than Argentina.....my bad thinking you were exiled. Smart choice over Argentina though.
As for the gorilla opinions.....they are common in the city BA. Let's see how much aide gets to the flood victims and how much gets siphoned off in graft like the last major floods. But you were not there to hear the unheard complaining.
Hopefully when you do finally return as ashes......they don't mix with water.
Your thinking has people as other aristocrats and oligarchs or poor. What happened to the middle in your kinds thinking? I know the Argentines I know are not or aristocrats........just a source to milk.
BTW. Comcast 642 is Televue......you can see tge flooding via news.....with live reports. Sad they have to stay in yhe wate at their homes so they are not robbed.
OK...back to what's important.
Aug 13th, 2015 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0A remarkable aspect of the election was the minimal effect of the Clarinet group campaign to mud Anibal Fernandez with allegations of being linked to drug traffic and being the ideological author of three murders.
Fernandez got excellent results when in normal circumstances a denunciation of this caliber would have sunk a politician's chances.
It goes on to show the loss of credibility of the powerful media group after a series of failed attempts to tar government members such as Axel Kicilloff or candidates such as Maximo Kirchner.
People in Argentina are now jocking about the next Clarin “denunciation.”
Those people are destroying Argentina and you need to experience it first hand.....not virtual. You can't seem to understand the difference.
Aug 13th, 2015 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are like someone who watches a war movie and claim to know war.
28. Where's the 16000% increase in Ephedrine going if not to the K drug cartel?
Aug 13th, 2015 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never seem to want to refute facts.
plain ol' facts
All you talk about are delusions in your senile old mind.
Apparently if you are not a hypocrit Enri you live in Canada because it is better than Argentina.
Aug 14th, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now why would they place a infantile 26 year old in charge of the national bank? Must be a proud moment. Argentina is a democracy like Cuba it and North Korea is.........they both vote.
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