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UK calls 'outrageous' and 'unlawful', Spanish incursions in Gibraltar waters
Spain has been accused of an “outrageous” and “unlawful” violation of British sovereignty after boats entered UK waters in Gibraltar on Sunday. Helicopters were also flown over a beach on the British territory as Spanish police chased criminals on the water, a move branded extremely dangerous by the Government of Gibraltar. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSpain and Argentina both have pathetic governments wanting to impress their dim electorates at election time.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's all very well but dont be surprised if matters escalate and people start getting killed. And for what? ......tiny territories and a few more years in office.
People should be allowed to determine their own future.
With due respect to Gibraltarians, so-called, does Swire have any credibility among anyone but a corrupt elite? Did not his family make their wealth from the suffering and addictions of the Chinese to opiates 150 years ago? Does that not make him little less than the offspring of drug kingpins and murderers, caring nothing except about their Hong? Do they not continue to manipulate the agenda regarding, e.g. overseas territories? I find the remarks utterly unconvincing, not only on this basis but on the basis there is nothing but ego-inflated diplomatic words that can be said as defence has been on its knees for so long. If you want to rebuild and support the Empire man better get on your knees and pray first for the lives your family has cost and the facts about your position in power in terms of your connections, subordinate connections in finance and those above you who know who you are and what you really stand for.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly Alan, your rather tortured English shows you have no respect for Gibraltarians or their rights.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What Mr Swires ancestors got up to in the dim and distant past is irrelevant.
“It is completely unacceptable and unlawful under the international law of the sea to enter our waters without notifying us”
Aug 10th, 2015 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0says this piece of crap...
what it is unacceptable and unlawful is that 90 % of the population of that stinky rock are smugglers, tax evaders and money launderers.
“Picardo said police in Gibraltar should have been asked to assist in catching the criminals once the chase looked like it would go into British-controlled waters”
but... what for?
for protecting those criminals?
what the fuck can you expect from that smelly fatso, pigardo, who is known for promoting all kind of illegal activities in that stinky rock.
and let me tell you something you benny-hillbillies, llanitos, macacos and the rest of the shite:
british waters are in .... britain, you assholes.
neither in argentina nor in spain nor in ireland.
just in that thing called britain.
GOT IT?
Calm down Paul, British Waters extend around British territory. It is self evident that these include the maritime space around Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have such a low opinion of Falkland Islanders and Gibraltarians that it beggars belief why you would want Argentina to take over the Falkland Islands and Spain to take over Gibraltar. Instead of resorting to insults why not engage with these people and try and appreciate their point of view. After all wasn't it General Franco who positioned buoys to mark the border between British Waters and Spanish Waters around Gibraltar.
@2. And, back around 1865, Spain had virtually lost the “empire” it had spent so many years conquering. How many millions did the Spanish murder? Lots throughout north, central and south america. How many weapons did Spain supply? Spain's notable achievements of establishing the first concentration camps, the continuance of slavery, the Spanish Inquisition and its many varied forms of torture, plundering everywhere they went. Shall I go on and mention the many crimes of the French? How far back do you want to go? How about the Romans (Italians)? Germany? The Ottomans? How would you like to trace your way through the criminality of the caliphates?
Aug 10th, 2015 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The trouble with people like you is that you want to excuse yourself from any responsibility. Do you think that will help against an Islamic fanatic? Why don't you select some Spanish, French, Roman, German, Turkish, Arab people and castigate them. Isabella of Castile, Napoleon, Robespierre, Caligula, Adolf Hitler, Sulieman the Magnificent, Baibars. Try looking up the meaning of “hypocrisy”.
@4. I have an excellent solution to people like the Spanish and you. It's called the Apache attack helicopter. Over the British Gibraltar Territorial Waters it blows Spanish state and private vessels out of the water. It can also use seeker missiles to blow Spanish aircraft out of the sky. It might also choose to fire missiles into Spanish fuel bunkering installations.
Seven thousand miles to the south, the helicopter can be sailed into appropriate range aboard a British destroyer or frigate.
Haha Spain!
Aug 10th, 2015 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 02015 and Gibraltar is still British.
What you gunna do about it?
I know, just keep making an arse out of yourself. Seems to have gained you nothing for centuries.
There is much worthwhile debate going on in under this article. I want to make it perfectly clear that I am absolutely FOR British Overseas Territories, Crown Colonies and British Administration and British business working harmoniously for British interests and a better quality of life, including a promotion of and upholding of principles of truth, justice and fairness among the native people's of the colonies. If anything, I would prefer to see a tracking forward towards great administrative influence in all regions with either a past or present affiliation with Commonwealth, including Hong Kong and the colonies that have been granted independence, in cooperation rather than opposition to the locals. The fact is that territorial, Britain is too tiny. Gibraltar, the Falklands, even Hong Kong including the New Territories. Why so much squabble over territorial sovereignty? These are needles among haystacks in terms of the territorial landmass, and even the influences they have on local country governments. It is high time these countries saw the benefits British rule, business, administration, entrepreneurialism, even military backed commerce has brought for them over the long term, in many instances, the conseuqences of serious racialist and corrupt practices notwithstanding (e.g. opium trading to addiction, apartheid, slavery and so on). Britain may yet rise up again mighty among the people's of the world. However, the costs of administration need to be balanced by the benefits through the cooperation of businesses, like that of the Swires, the Keswicks etc, with the establishment and under expert guidance of specialists in planning, modelling, defence strategy and international politics and diplomacy.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah dear Pauli, where would we be without you? These threads would dry up in no time. Have you not heard of Melilla, Cueta and the islands of Soberania? They are Spanish, over the other side of the Straights of Gib in Morocco. Their only claim to fame is that they are are main gateway to the EU, for illegal migrants from north and west Africa.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like Gib and the Falklands they have had referenda, with the with the usual result.“leave us as we are, thankyou.”
Under the treaty of Utrect 1713 the Rock and its environs were ceded to the UK in perpetuity. If you had not invaded the Falklands maybe we would have done the same for Rg and given them to you as a Millennium present.
I have to admit to having sympathy with 'shoot to kill' insofar as it could be applied to the dumb fuck Spanish policia and associated groups.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being the cowards that all Spanish are unless there is a gang of them to bolster their feeble guts they would stop this nonsense immediately.
As for the twat “AlanLemons” and his claim he backs BOTs he is a liar as the remainder of his text shows. I wonder if he is spanisharseholee's brother?
I am amazed at how many still believe that International Law and treaties bear substantive relevance to the modern day debate or State territorial objectives. Times are changing and there is very little recourse to traditional rule of law standpoints on territorial sovereignty. Do you think Putin or Xi care about the legalist detail? Not one jot. So why would Spain care or desire to heed to such regulations? Without US exerting diplomatic pressure, Gibraltar would be ceded in the next 5-50 years, if not sooner. However, since the US has never supported UK colonial outposts, they won't. The good news is that finally Mr Hammond might actually have to raise his voice and make a statement. For all his wit and humour, and staunch stance, William Hague ended up making the Foreign Office seem like a complete joke with his assertions about the imminent fall of the Assad regime. Spain have played the UK into check here. Parliamentary debate and assertions there, along with a response by Hammond are all that can be expected. Escalation by Cameron would be an interesting move indeed, but he won't exert more military pressure on the Spanish surely? At the same time, for all the hot air, with Foreign and commonwealth officials simply blowing smoke up the arses of people in high finance, and to be fair, offering political and diplomatic support to the military and public servants on the RAF side of the airport, among others, there are few places this situation can lead to apart from administrative hoo-hah from the UK side, but the objectives for the area will continue to be at the behest of the Spanish, who will ultimately call the shots as to their agenda for Gib. Occupation and colonization will not attain support from the US, never has and never will, even though they themselves are utterly useless at colonizing, compared to the British who have left 'homes from home' all around the world thanks to excellent civil service commitments by British and colonial natives.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are so many people from Africa and the Middle East entering the UK now that it will cease to exist as we now know it. So, in the long run it this all won't matter will it.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just love how the world confuses people like AlanLemons.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No matter what name he uses.
Seems to me- not sure of distances and time it would have taken from first call to arrival of Gib Sqn armed patrol vessel on site - but maybe one of these vessels they now have needs to be on 24hr fast reaction standby, fully crewed up, ready to react in future. Or even doing patrols 24hrs a day?
Aug 10th, 2015 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems simplest way of putting a stop to it all.
Good old Britain, sticking up for drug smugglers against a fellow
Aug 10th, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0European government. Makes you wanna cry!!
and why would a drug runner risk landing in Gibraltar instead of landing
on one of many deserted Spanish beaches???????
Spain 1 Gibraltar/Britain 0
@13
Aug 10th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks awfully like another DoveOverDover play.
“”“Good old Britain, sticking up for drug smugglers against a fellow
Aug 10th, 2015 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0European government. Makes you wanna cry!!”“”“”
Your reading comprehension isn't that great is it?
”It beggars belief that the SVA have acted in this way that, in effect, has allowed a criminal who should be behind bars to get away.
The drug smuggler entered Gibraltar and not Spain..why???
Aug 10th, 2015 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and it was the Gib police who let him/her get away....why???
maybe Spain should send the thousands of refugees from Afrca GET AWAY
and let them all make their way to Calais..ummmmmmmm
@8 & 11. Cowardly liar. The Falkland Islands and Gibraltar have “chosen” to be British. Foreign state-sponsored terrorists want to change that? Then shoot. Blow the invaders out of the air and water. And some “aussies” are criminal as well. Annihilate wherever they may be.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¨ Gibraltar has “ chosen” to be British.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE ORIGINAL SPANISH RESIDENCE OF GIBRALTAR BEFORE THE BRITS INVADED HAVE ALSO “ CHOSEN” TO BE SPANISH....ummmmmmm
19 genetic aberration
Aug 10th, 2015 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and who the fuck cares what those implanted bennys and macacos have chosen, you retarded monkey?
sooner than later they will have to return to that cesspit called england
THE ORIGINAL SPANISH RESIDENCE OF GIBRALTAR BEFORE THE BRITS INVADED HAVE ALSO “ CHOSEN” TO BE SPANISH....ummmmmmm
Aug 10th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only once they had kicked out the Moores, who had kicked out the Visigoths....ummmm where do you draw the line in the sand.
'and it was the Gib police who let him/her get away....why???'...
Reading comprehension not your strong point aussiearseshine, I will make it simple for you. Perhaps if the spanish had informed the GIb police, they could have helped, that is the whole point, they didn't inform the Gib Police, so the smuggler was able to escape.
Like I said before;
Aug 10th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ORIGINAL habitants of Gibraltar are still waiting for their say....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/1468328/Scars-still-remain-for-the-Roque-of-Gibraltar.html
@11
Aug 10th, 2015 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It matter what you think or me for that matter. The bit you are missing from your very boring and far left ramble is Self-Dermination. The Gibraltarians don't want the Spanish thinking they can ignore intetnational law and dip in and out if their territory whenever they please.
The Spanish are clearly trying to escalate this issue for their own political reasons, I just wish these so called organisations like NATO to which Spain belong would speak openly about this.
I am voting to leave the EU, I would prefer a harder line to be shown by our pathetic prime minister.
Aussiearseshine, they weren't the original 'habitants' unless you only start your history in the 1500, but I am going to start mine mid 1700's so the Gibraltarians are the original 'habitants'. Choose your dates to back up your childish arguments.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 15 Spanisharseholee
Aug 10th, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In one incident, the Spanish were understood to have been chasing smugglers who were dumping suspected bales of drugs off the side of a fast-speed inflatable boat.”
They were in Spanish waters, NOT British and decided to go into British waters to escape, knowing that it would be illegal for the Spanish cowards to enter after them and if they did the Brits would chuck them out again..
They duped the cowardly Spanish right from the get go, you twat!
@4 british waters is where british territory IS...Got it, asshole!
Aug 10th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The once MIGHTY RAF is no more.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The RAF begs allies for Tornado spare parts
http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.it/
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UK and Gib condemn ‘outrageous’ Spanish incursions over the weekend
http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.it/
On Sunday morning, an SVA launch and a Guardia Civil helicopter were involved in a chase just one nautical mile off Europe Point at around 11.30am.
The helicopter flew low over a RHIB with four occupants, racing at high speed through the Bay of Gibraltar
Some say it landed or hovered just above the sand.
The British Government said it would raise the incident with the Spanish Government as a matter of urgency for the 50th time-500th time and so one,
The government now admits that taking off those who are not fit for duty, the strength of the army is in fact around 60,000
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Decades ago we would have retaliated,
Today we appease,
The British government has done what no other country or army/navy has done since 1066,
And destroyed our once mighty military,
[ I could be wrong] unless you know of another reason why we let everyone take the piss out of us.
Just my opinion.
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16 Hans
Aug 10th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Looks awfully like another DoveOverDover play.”
It does look like “AlanLemons” is indeed a part of the ThinkVoiceDover Panto Show.
Break a leg, creep.
:-)
The Spaniards maka a biga mistaka. They will pay.
Aug 10th, 2015 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a mistaka to maka!
pelotudo 27
Aug 10th, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“4 british waters is where british territory IS...Got it, asshole!”
exactly.
and that is in “great” (LOL) britain only.
understand now, you pelotudo?
Hey Paulie-Pelotudo:
Aug 11th, 2015 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0So whose waters should the seas around these places belong to then:
Tristan da Cunha
Ascension island
Pictairn island
Channel Islands
Bermuda
South Georgia - and if you say Argentina then you must spell out exact and precise reasons for an Arg claim - and why it should overrule the discovery of the Islands in the 1770s by Britain?
Spain and Argentina ,
Aug 11th, 2015 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0the world laughs at you.
@28 Briton
Aug 11th, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Decades ago we wouldn't've retaliated, maybe a hundred or so years ago we would've.
But the world is different today, and the Spanish, like their Argentine children, want the UK to respond by opening fire on their vessels, and though it's tempting it would be playing into their hands.
They want an incident so they can then run to the world and say “Look the big bad British are picking on us. Wah, wah, wah.”
Basically if the EU actually worked then Spain would've been slapped down by them years ago.
The best thing to do would be to tell Spain that any more incurrsions would entail the vessel being seized and the crew arrested. They'll have been warned so the RN can then board any Spanish vessel illegally in Gibraltarian waters, arrest the crew, impound the ship, return the crew (after a huge fine) via the really long queues at the border with Spain, and then make the Spanish pay a huge fine for the return of their vessel.
Being Spanish, they won't pay, and eventually they'll run out of boats.
However, they won't be able to martyr themselves over being arrested for tresspass especailly when they've been publicly warned about it before hand.
Another thing the British could do is put a huge tax on British people holidaying in Spain, basically making it too expensive.
Spain would fold quickly if they suddenly lost all the money that British tourists spend.
Hitting them financially is worse for them that giving them a bloody nose. A bloody nose heals quickly, and they can wear their 'war wounds' with pride, but having money taken off them smarts far worse, and has longer term consequences.
WGAF.....most of the residents of Gibraltar are of Spanish descent anyway...
Aug 11th, 2015 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The strategic importance of Gibraltar has waned over time with the strike capabilities of aircraft...etc...
They're British in name only the UK doesn't need this relic the UK tax payer doesn't need this sponging tax avoider...
Fabian Picardo....how very British.......Not....sounds pretty foreign to me....
Get lost...the Gambling...Gaming tax haven of Europe....
35 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Aug 11th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“most of the residents of Gibraltar are of Spanish descent” Thats true but they came to the Rock after it was British.
” Demographics of Gibraltar
The majority of the Spanish population in Gibraltar (about 5000), with few exceptions, left Gibraltar when the Dutch and English took the village in 1704. The few Spaniards who remained in Gibraltar in August 1704 were augmented by others who arrived in the fleet with Prince George of Hesse-Darmstadt, possibly some two hundred in all, mostly Catalans...Together, Gibraltarians of Spanish origin are one of the bigger groups (more than 24% according to last names, even more taking into account the fact that many Spanish women married native Gibraltarians)
2001 census
The actual composition of the population by nationality from the 2001 census is as follows:
Nationality Number Percentage
Gibraltarian 22,882 83.2
Other British 2,627 9.6
Moroccan 961 3.5
Spanish 326 1.2
Other EU 275 1.0
Other 424 1.5“
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Gibraltar
”the Gambling...Gaming tax haven of Europe.“ Close but no cigar.
Tax haven
”..Rules concerning the e-gaming activities in Gibraltar are more severe than the ones in Malta. ..
Malta – the most frequently chosen offshore territory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Gibraltar
yeah...Terry...your usual MO I see, of cherry picking parts of quotes from links....
Aug 11th, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What else does your link state...
“What attracts companies that provide online gambling services in Gibraltar, is the possibility of establishing joint ventures that do not have to pay taxes, under the condition that the income comes from areas out of the ”offshore territory“. In fact, all firms providing services at betting sector on the basis of special privileges and contracts with the Government of Gibraltar, are subject to a symbolic 1% tax on the games, moreover, this amount cannot exceed 425,000 pounds per year. Besides, other costs are those associated with the cost of activities and an annual payment for not being a resident of Gibraltar.”
So let me alter my previous statement to....
........Get lost...A Gambling...Gaming tax haven of Europe....
happy now...?
37 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Aug 11th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was just pointing out the inaccuracies in your emotionally driven sweeping statement. So essentially my rebuttal is correct, in spite of your nit-picking. So Gibraltar is in essence no different in it's operation than other small British entities such as Jersey, or the Isle of Man. Re: #35 “..the UK doesn't need this relic the UK tax payer doesn't need this sponging tax avoider...” So if the Government of Gibraltar was to act as you wish the only result would be, that they would lose their self-sufficency, and then become an actual burden on the UK taxpayer. Hm! stumbling over your own bias, not thought through very well is it?
I meant get lost....become independent, manage their own defence and their own foreign relations....
Aug 11th, 2015 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How long before Spain would move in and claim territorial integrity....not long...but good riddance is what I say....
What concern is it of yours in Brazil...? Is it your tax money supporting them...?
Ps...is it difficult having to avoid using “ You're”....;-))))
Well done, I'm watching you waiting for the gaffe....
I know you won't let me down....it's only a matter of time...
Then I'll be in... like Flynn....
39
Aug 11th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ...I'll be in... like Flynn”
...and who could care less... ?
39 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Aug 11th, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't believe your suggested solution is anyway proper or legal as it would involve acts by both Spain and the UK contrary to the UN Charter. Firstly, the modern parlance of “territorial integrity” cannot be invoked to apply to a situation prior to the enactment of the Charter. Secondly, it would involve force as it would be against the Gibraltarians will, a further Charter violation. Lastly, the UK would be in remiss of their Charter obligations towards the Gibraltarians re: article 73 of the Charter.
“What concern is it of yours” Very simple parties should act in the best way that our civilization has developed. In this instance, compliance with the requirements of international law, as it is the most correct form of conduct, as everyone is then on the same page.
Remember, it is “substance and not the form” is the requirement, unless you've nothing of substance to offer, then all you have left is trifles.
THE ONLY BRITISH TERRITORY IN THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IS....YOU ARE RIGHT...LITTLE BRITAIN.
Aug 11th, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE ONLY BRITISH WATERS IN THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD ARE...YOU ARE RIGHT...THE WATERS THAT SURROUND THAT CESSPIT CALLED ENGLAND.
THE ENGLISH HAVE NOTHING TO DO NEITHER IN MALVINAS, NOR IN GIBRALTAR NOR IN NORTHERN IRELAND.
THEY HAVE TO BE ISOLATED IN THE MOST RADICAL WAY.
YOU WANT YOUR MONTHLY FLIGHT TO PUNTA ARENAS (LOL): NO WAY.
WANT TO GO TO MONTEVIDEO PASSING BY OUR SPLENDOROUS MAR ARGENTINO: NO WAY
WANT TO BUY ANYTHING FROM OUR PAÍSES HERMANOS: NO WAY.
WANT TO GO TO A REAL HOSPITAL IN A CIVILIZED COUNTRY: NO WAY
BOTH THE BENNIES AND THE MACACOS ARE NOT TOO BRIGHT.
THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN UNDERSTAND IS WITH SOME RIGUEUR.
42 Paul Cedrone/ Think
Aug 11th, 2015 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“THEY HAVE TO BE ISOLATED IN THE MOST RADICAL WAY.”
Wtf does that mean...?
Sounds like impotence and frustration, to me.
If you're planning on standing on your polluted beaches and uselessly waving your dicks at us again, remember what happened last time you tried that in '82.
34 LEPRecon
Aug 11th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They want an incident [ this one may help
EXCLUSIVE: Hostile moment Spanish police RAM British guard boat off Gibraltar in UK waters
THIS is the dramatic moment a Spanish Guardia Civil boat RAMMED into a Gibraltar police boat amid rising tensions in the British waters
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597333/Dramatic-moment-Spanish-police-RAM-British-guard-boat-Gibraltar
Watch the video=
Mr Picardo, as well as condemning this action, he also has stated that Gibraltar wants strong relations with Spain, peacefully,
[sadly you can’t have it both ways, and some may say , encouraging the Spanish ]
The parliamentary committee in London has demanded Cameron kicks out the Spanish ambassador,
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Governor of Gibraltar quits after UK fails to stand up to Spain aggression
THE GOVERNOR of Gibraltar has quit his post over tensions with the Foreign Office about the way Britain was dealing with Spanish aggression against the Rock, the Sunday Express has learned.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597333/Dramatic-moment-Spanish-police-RAM-British-guard-boat-Gibraltar
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EXCLUSIVE: Gibraltar fury as Spain flouts minute's silence by sending ship into UK waters
GIBRALTAR’S Government reacted with fury last night after Spain deliberately flouted Friday’s silent tribute to the 30 British tourists massacred in Tunisia by illegally sending a Spanish ship into sovereign waters.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597333/Dramatic-moment-Spanish-police-RAM-British-guard-boat-Gibraltar
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The “shocking and disgusting” act of aggression led to Andrew Rosingdell MP to call for Gibraltar to have its own MP in Westminster
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Something must be done, one way or another.
@ 44 Briton
Aug 12th, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing will change until the moron, Cameron, is no longer P.M.
He claimed he would only complete two terms, meaning that he should stand down as Leader before the next election.
NOW, he has done a TMBOA stunt and is prevaricating and whispering to 'close advisers' that it might be 'better' for him to stay on.
When he took the leadership I checked him out as to what he had achieved before going into politics: nothing, he was in marketing. No wonder he's a wanker.
@ 43 Paul
Aug 12th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“THE ONLY BRITISH WATERS IN THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD ARE...YOU ARE RIGHT...THE WATERS THAT SURROUND THAT CESSPIT CALLED ENGLAND.”
England isn't surrounded by water, you imbecile.
ChrisR
Aug 12th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may well be right,
we are tied by rights/rules,and the EU,
as I have said many times, we reap what we sow, we seem to given up the right to defend without upsetting others,
despite the fact that they respond and care less what we think.
pete boludo
Aug 12th, 2015 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“England isn't surrounded by water, you imbecile.”
it seems that you have never seen a map of the uk in your whole sad life, no, you imbecile x 1 million?
lets see:
so according to you, you imbecile x 1 million, the irish sea, the celtic sea, the “english” (lol) channel, the strait of dover and the north sea are not “waters”, no?
and what the fuck are them then?
a sea of shite?
imbecile x 1 million you are.
@48 Geographically challenged
Aug 12th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your statement:
“THE ONLY BRITISH WATERS IN THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD ARE...YOU ARE RIGHT...THE WATERS THAT SURROUND THAT CESSPIT CALLED ENGLAND
My reply:
-“ENGLAND isn't surrounded by water, you imbecile.”
Your reply to that:
”it seems that you have never seen a map of the UK in your whole sad life, no, you imbecile x 1 million?”
What part, of England is not the UK, do you not understand you imbecile?
If you were not too stupid to work out that England is DIFFERENT from the UK, (How difficult is it for you Argentine morons to distinguish between the UK and England?) you would see that England is surrounded by some sea, and the LANDMASS of WALES AND SCOTLAND.
Along most of the border with Wales (Shropshire, Herefordshire etc) there is NO sea. Trust me, I drive to Wales every year, and Ihave never used a boat to cross the border. If you don't believe me, try crossing the Welsh border with England with a boat.
No need sonny, a car is faster.
Along the English border with Scotland there is a LAND barrier. To pass into Scotland there is NO sea separating the two countries.
I have been to Scotland a few times and have NEVER used a boat to cross the border.
Try it yourself.
To say that England is PARTIALLY surrounded by sea is correct but you implied that England was totally surrounded-(the use of the word' surrounded' with the omission of' partially' gives the clue here).
The UK IS surrounded by sea.
England is NOT.
Do they not teach you during brainwashing in Argentine schools that England is a part of the UK, and not the whole of the UK, as you Argentines have great difficulty in getting your heads round this, simple, simple, concept.
No wonder your country is tits up run by a woman who claims to be a lawyer with no evidence that she passed any legal exams.
Have you heard of Wales and Scotland?
Fell right for my ambush, you prat.
49 IMBECILE
Aug 12th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT DEAR IMBECILE, IT SEEMS THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A MAP OF ENGLAND IN YOUR WHOLE FUCKING LIFE, NO?
49 Pete Bog
Aug 12th, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geographically challenged couldn't tell his ass from a hole in the ground.
#2 100% Agree
Aug 12th, 2015 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The nation of Gibraltar is not free. British aristocrats don't even bother with pretense of free elections, or orchestrated revolutionary regime change.
According to Wikipedia, “The Chief Minister of Gibraltar is the head of Her Majesty's Government of Gibraltarwho is elected to the Gibraltar Parliament, and formally appointed by the Governor of Gibraltar, representative of the British Monarch. The incumbent Chief Minister is Fabian Picardo, leader of the Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party.”
Treasonous leaders are installed around the world, and have been for centuries. The Treaty of Cairo is an example of what they did to the Middle East. Then you have the secretive and duplicitous Masonic organizations that provide a network of influence, and have sworn allegiance to another oligarch, Grand Master Duke of Kent. The mafioso criminal networks are a part of these networks.
I guarantee anyone that Hugo Swire is a Freemason. The past has everything to do with the present. Generational curses are real. I know many people who felt the need to receive healing masses for problems caused by Masonic influences in their family. Healing of Families, is another good book on generational curses. Innocent people pay for sins of the past. It is biblical. Actions have consequences always.
The book, The True Story of the Bilderberg Group, by Daniel Estulin, clearly documents how powerful networks conspire in secret, for the benefit of a few international Oligarchs. Included in these networks are major media conglomerates around the world. They control the narrative. What we read, and are told, is controlled.
@50 geographically challenged
Aug 12th, 2015 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”IT SEEMS THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A MAP OF ENGLAND IN YOUR WHOLE FUCKING LIFE, NO?2
You should address that to yourself as you have not noticed the blindingly obvious that England is not completely surrounded by sea, as Wales and Scotland are not seas but landmasses, unless unbeknown to us they have been submerged.
By all means try driving from England into Wales-honest guv you will not need a boat when you cross the border. If you think using Argentine logic, that is the best way, go ahead.
Or to make it exciting, take one of your airforce's jets that are unable to take off, and you can taxi a clapped out FAA Mirage over the border if a car isn't good enough for you
You seem to have missed my obvious mistake in referring to the UK/surrounding seas, so perhaps when you have finished your session under the CT scanner today, you can point it out?
I doubt you have the intelligence to do so as you are incapable of studying a map of England and interpreting its boundaries properly.
You clearly have the Argentine cognition disease that means it's sufferers are unable to tell the difference between England and the UK.
52 gothamgirl
Aug 13th, 2015 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Treasonous leaders are installed around the world, and have been for centuries. The Treaty of Cairo is an example of what they did to the Middle East. Then you have the secretive and duplicitous Masonic organizations that provide a network of influence, and have sworn allegiance to another oligarch, Grand Master Duke of Kent. The mafioso criminal networks are a part of these networks.
I guarantee anyone that Hugo Swire is a Freemason. The past has everything to do with the present. Generational curses are real. I know many people who felt the need to receive healing masses for problems caused by Masonic influences in their family. ”
You're a nutbar!!
Did Man really land on the Moon? ? - let us know!!
#35 and #36: No the majority of the residents are not of Spanish origin: that is about 27% of the population only.There are more Genoese, Portuguese etc and substantial Jewish and Moroccan populations.
Aug 13th, 2015 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0#52 - how stupid you are. Of course we elect our leaders democratically, just like every other EU nation. And probably unlike the place you live. Whether these politicians act in the interestx of the electorate is a different matter.
Spain:
Aug 13th, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I like you. Half of my family were born there, yet they fled away +100 years ago to a former-promising land in the south.
I admired how you went back on your feet after franco´s death.
I loved to see how you became a nato member.
I sincerely cheered when you turned into a productive EU partner.
I have some spanish friends who are marvelous folks.
For that, and from the bottom of my heart: STOP ACTING LIKE A F*CKING MORON !!!!
There´s nothing to win and all to lose when it comes to Gibraltar. Put your useless pride aside and think about the situation. Don´t go back to the times when Europe´s southern border were the Pyrenees.
Please Spanish folks, don´t follow this nonsense. Don´t be like Argentina.
4 paulcedron II “british waters are in .... britain” Not true, as Spain's declining the UK 's offer to place the issue before the ICJ proves they have no claim, GOT IT?
Aug 13th, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”..in November 1966 Spain accused Britain of “an act of aggression” by claiming to hold sovereign authority over part of the isthmus. Britain made the first of many subsequent proposals to test the validity of the respective claims to sovereignty at the International Court of Justice (ICJ), but Spain gave the first of its refusals on the grounds that consideration of legal titles to the territory was not relevant to decolonization, a point that Britain entirely rejected. ..”
Gibraltar at the United Nations: caught between a Treaty, the Charter and the ‘fundamentalism’ of the Special Committee
http://eprints.uwe.ac.uk/16386/
@52 Batty
Aug 14th, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The nation of Gibraltar is not free. British aristocrats don't even bother with pretense of free elections,”
To evidence this you quote:
“The Chief Minister of Gibraltar is the head of Her Majesty's Government of Gibraltar who is elected to the Gibraltar Parliament,”
If the Chief Minister is not elected by free elections, how is he elected then?
Your evidence disproves your statement .
If you want to make yourself look like an idiot that's fine.
*56 A foreign country takes away part of your Nation and you call it
Aug 15th, 2015 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ useless pride”... Sir, you are a BLOODY FOOL!!!!
@59 Dumbkopf… ask the people of Gibraltar if they want to be ruled from Madrid. Tbe answer is NO!
Aug 15th, 2015 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination
A treaty agreed between Britain and Spain.
You are sunk fake Aussie. You are as real as a pink banana.
the voice of the pelotudez
Aug 15th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ask the people of Gibraltar if they want to be ruled from Madrid. Tbe answer is NO!”
and WHO THE FUCK CARES, YOU ASSHOLE?
THEY ARE AN IMPLANTED POPULATION.
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SUNNY SOUTHERN SPAIN.
THEY BELONG TO THAT CESSPIT CALLED ENGLAND.
CAPISCE??
61 paulcedron II
Aug 15th, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“THEY ARE AN IMPLANTED POPULATION.” So are the majority of occupiers of South America. Fortunately, the the people of Gibraltar aren't governed by your conjecture but by jus cogens international law of self-determination. Bolstered by Spain's refusal of several instances to test their claim before the ICJ. So like you Spain isn't going anywhere soon.
The reason I say there is no pretense of free elections is because the government “of Gibraltar” call themselves “Her Majesties Government”. For those of us that aren't subject, it sounds like blatant ownership. Gibralters constitution establishes that.
Aug 15th, 2015 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The citizens of Gibraltar have made it clear that they don't want to be part of Spain, but they don't want the British government either. Their constitution was supposed to entitle them to the UN mandate of self determination.
Instead of self determination, it divides the government with a governor nominated by the queen, and the elected officials. The “elected officials” can't make or pass laws on their own. The queen maintains the right to ammend or add to the constitution at will.
With regards to revolutionary wars, I assume that most people understand that the installation of sock puppet leaders, and wars didn't happen organically. As just one example, funding of Hitler's Germany by the Bank of England has been documented. Obviously the British oligarchs want to maintain control of their profitable little pet rock, and this show is also orchestrated. Look up another well documented book by Daniel Estulin, called the Shadow Masters. I don't blame the British people, we are all Pawns in the Game. Another good book.
“World events do not happen by accident. They are made to happen...most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings.” Denis Healey, former British Defence Minister
63 gothamgirl “Her Majesties Government” is a legal term that all commonwealth countries use. It is intended to show that whenever there is a parliamentary impasse, the monarch or their legal representatives, have the constitutional right to resolve the crisis. The constitutional monarchy is expressly barred from any other power, except in these exceptional circumstances of an arbiter. Meanwhile, enjoy your conspiracy theories.
Aug 15th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 063 Goth girl
Aug 15th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great conspiracy theories.
Did Man really land on the Moon, or was it faked by the U.S. ??
Please tell us what REALLY happened.
*60 funny how the original Spanish people living on the rock DID NOT GET A SAY wether they wanted to be ruled by the Brits.
Aug 15th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Her Majesty's Government” is not a term publicly used outside of Gibraltar. Look on Canada's gov website, and you won't find that on any press releases. Granted I haven't looked at all of the 52 criminal tax shelters, I mean commonwealth mations, but I have simply never heard that terminology outside of Gibraltar's government. There is also the fact that unlike other commonwealth nations, Gibraltar has never been even offerred even the pretense of independence from Britain, as have other former commonwealth nations.. Clearly the Crown is has a penchant for their profitable pet rock. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Gibraltar Relations with Spain
Aug 15th, 2015 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was a time that I too would have defended my country tooth an nail. Except today I see a narco nation (complicit government) like the one my parents fled from. Conspiracy laws exist because collusion is real. The controlled media would have us believe that it is nonsense, but it is all a very real part of our human history.
2015: HSBC Bank: Secret Origins To Laundering The World's Drug Money
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Gibraltar
Every Wall Street bank has been caught laundering money with impunity. Swiss Leaks: HSBC has over $900 Billion USD hidden in secret swiss accounts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Gibraltar
Just one example of this collusion in another tiny country of El Salvador.
2014 Globalists and Gangs Back Marxist Mass-murderer in El Salvador
As The New American magazine has documented extensively, th region (Central America) is already dominated by a closely knit network of foreign-backed socialist tyrants.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Gibraltar
I really don't have an issue with Gibraltar, I have an issue with the deception being perpetrated on a global scale.
67
Aug 16th, 2015 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are watching you....we know who you are....
66 Marcos/ Sunshine
Aug 16th, 2015 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ funny how the original Spanish people living on the rock DID NOT GET A SAY wether they wanted to be ruled by the Brits”
Lucky for them.
Their King traded them away for his personal gain.
There was no Democracy or UN, or Human Rights bodies at the time, in feudal Spain - Spanish peasants were a Spanish lord's chattels - to be bought, sold, exploited...
However, the Gibraltar descendants are fortunate to live in a progressive society with a track record of personal freedom, Democracy, and Rule of Law.
You are a fool.
#68 Then you know who my Father is, and you are being watched as well.
Aug 16th, 2015 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0History is your friend everyone, and know that nothing is what it seems. Drug addiction has reached epidemic porportions around the world. Take care of your families because today it isn't just China they are willing to destroy and enslave. It is your children.
The revolutions began in Europe. The Monroe Doctrine prohibited EU oligarchs from installing their sock puppets in the Americas, and suddenly communism was born. Behind the “iron curtain” criminal enterprises, such as drug and human trafficking, which were initially turned into conglomerates by the royal charters of the East India Trade Company and the Royal African Trade Company, continued. These charters had been originally been established by Queen Elizabeth I. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhADTcnx4k
67 gothamgirl
Aug 16th, 2015 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Her Majesty's Government” is not a term publicly used outside of Gibraltar. Look on Canada's gov website, and you won't find that on any press releases.”
Research isn't apparently your strong point.
Government of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada
The Government of Canada (French: Gouvernement du Canada), formally Her Majesty's Government (French: Gouvernement de Sa Majesté), is the federal ...
Your paranoia is part of your societie's conditioning.
Viveza criolla From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Viveza criolla includes:
The habit of blaming problems on someone else, thereby encouraging paranoia and granting a permit to self-indulgence
#71 your wilikpedia references have nothing to do with the fact that ”Her Majesty's Government is not publicly used by Canada, India or other Commonwealth nations other than Gibraltar. The thing you made up abou viveza criolla is funny, but your shameless lie makes me think you work for the government. Stick to the subject dragoon.
Aug 16th, 2015 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most adults can understand that things are not always what they seem. In the case of Gibraltar, the notion that Spain is trying to invade or attack a British territory doesn't make sense. The fact that many media outlets ommitted the fact that Spain was in pursuit of drug traffickers, turns journalsim into propaganda.
Early 20015, Spain and other EU nations questioned the fact that Gibraltar was taken off the list of registered tax shelters for the international elite. Gibraltar is part of the EU.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11399571/Gibraltar-leader-tells-Miliband-We-are-not-a-tax-haven.html
Since then, the British government has revealed it's ugly side The fact is that Gibraltar's economy is heavily based on the profit from human vice's of online gambling. It is a tax haven, and has been a drug trafficking hub for decades.
It seems to me that those who don't get in line are getting spanked.
72 gothamgirl
Aug 16th, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really should get treatment for your paranoia, as you are now suffering from a further delusion “makes me think you work for the government”
Whether commonwealth countries wish to use their formal title or not, in their daily dealings is an exercise of their choice.
“..other EU nations questioned the fact that Gibraltar was taken off the list of registered tax shelters for the international elite..”
“Citation or GTFO” Cyber Babe
#50
Aug 16th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you refer me to the map that shows that England is surrounded by water.
I was in Penrith 3 weeks ago and did not encounter anything fitting your assertion except the bridge on the M74 crossing the river Eden.
Your copious knowledge on this subject would be of assistance as I will be travelling to Rutland this week and wish to know the ferry port I will have to use to cross the sea into England. Thank you in advance.
There is a link between tax shelters, money laundering, and drug trafficking. There is the possibility that the real criminals running the show, are those pretending to protect us. Turf wars a criminal orgs go hand in hand.
Aug 16th, 2015 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Virgin Islands: Bank for Criminals
http://www.icij.org/offshore/caribbean-go-between-provided-shelter-far-away-frauds-documents-show
Spain is not innocent either. The bank scandal in Andorra shed light on tax shelters. It involved money laundering for criminal organizations.
http://www.icij.org/offshore/caribbean-go-between-provided-shelter-far-away-frauds-documents-show
Tax shelters held drug money from nations such as Russia, CHINA, Venezuela, and Iran. Numerous “high level” officials were implicated in Andorra, along with banks in Spain. It was never revealed in major media outlets that the illicit funds were buying corrupt politicians around the world.
http://www.icij.org/offshore/caribbean-go-between-provided-shelter-far-away-frauds-documents-show
World leaders are shamelessly covorting with criminal bankers convicted of money laundering.
http://www.icij.org/offshore/caribbean-go-between-provided-shelter-far-away-frauds-documents-show
Banks are complicit with criminals
http://www.icij.org/offshore/caribbean-go-between-provided-shelter-far-away-frauds-documents-show
Islamic Radical are all in the drug and human trafficking business.
How heroin is bankrolling the Taliban and al Qaeda.
http://www.icij.org/offshore/caribbean-go-between-provided-shelter-far-away-frauds-documents-show
Drug shipments off of Africa have “significantly increased since 2009”
http://www.icij.org/offshore/caribbean-go-between-provided-shelter-far-away-frauds-documents-show
Drug trafficking, kidnapping fund al Qaeda
By Rachel Ehrenfeld, Special to CNN -May 4, 2011
http://www.icij.org/offshore/caribbean-go-between-provided-shelter-far-away-frauds-documents-show
Gibraltar is strategically located, and worth more to the British government than revenue
75 gothamgirl
Aug 16th, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So in spite of your diversions you cannot prove “..other EU nations questioned the fact that Gibraltar was taken off the list of registered tax shelters for the international elite..” So there were in fact no other EU nations at all.
So for you it comes down to which countries questioned Gibraltar's status as a tax shelter for the elite? What part of criminal organizations running the show, while average citizens are manipulated like children, don't you get?
Aug 16th, 2015 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The peasants being taxed into feudalism, while cronies get special priveledges is something that concerns normal people. It is amazing how well they control the narrative and people like Terrence.
EU Commission Probes Gibraltar's Tax Shelters
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/01/us-eu-gibraltar-idUSKCN0HQ49T20141001
76 Terry
Aug 16th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Gothgirl” is rolling out exactly the same spiel as several of the other puppet Trolls in the past.
On a a Troll's accusations have been defused, it seems they create another persona to pursue the same line of charges, misdirection, and disinformation.
This one is raving...
77 gothamgirl
Aug 16th, 2015 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are still failing to prove your assertion “..other EU nations questioned the fact that Gibraltar was taken off the list of registered tax shelters for the international elite..” How long have you suffered from this obvious sense of persecution. Your link includes “some members consider to be unfair tax competition”
which is not specific in it's identification to any of the parties. The date of this news release is Wed Oct 1, 2014. Subsequently, the only update is June 29, 2015 ”Commission Decision of 1 October 2014 to extend proceedings in Case SA.34914 (Gibraltar offshore companies), not yet published;”
EU STATE AID REVIEW OF TAX RULINGS: WHAT MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS CAN DO NOW
http://www.cgsh.com/files/News/ca4f9251-13c8-4a30-bdfe-f6e4e7ffb139/Presentation/NewsAttachment/3d9145ab-e16b-49b3-bd4e-f72279f2af58/EU%20State%20Aid%20Review%20of%20Tax%20Rulings-What%20Multinational%20Corporations%20Can%20Do%20Now.pdf
#79 apparently you don't like to read and I can't help you with that.
Aug 16th, 2015 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It really is a shame because it is all really fascinating. You do there is a little penchant for money laundering by the British government right?
Britain rules the world of tax havens, the Queen is warned.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network
Britain is the biggest tax haven in EU
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network
Jersey: The British dependency $2 TRILLION tax shelter, is another tiny island in the Channel Islands, “facing mounting criticism about its culture of secrecy.”
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network
Whistleblowers confess: “Jersey is riddled with elite, secretive insider networks, typically linked to the financial sector. After being appointed economic adviser in 1987, Christensen found that many people who came to see him wanted him to join their Masonic lodge, and gave him the secret signal. ”Their thinking is very much of the old-boy network – you are either one of us or you are against us,“ he continued. ”It means they can trust you to do the right thing without having to be told – an insidious meaning of the word 'trust'.”
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network
Lawmakers blast child abuse inquiry in tax shelter Jersey island.
“For the past decade, I have been writing about what I have come to see as a culture of concealment within our government, education and justice systems, which have repeatedly failed the most vulnerable members of our society, particularly children,” says McMurray.
McMurray lives on the island of Jersey, a $2 trillion tax shelter in the Channel Islands. Just 14 miles off the west coast of France, Jersey is part of neither Great Britain nor the European Union but a “Crown dependency”—meaning it is technically accountable to the queen of Great Britain but governs itself.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network
80 Gothgirl
Aug 16th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a story about the Spanish being difficult and grandstanding at the Gilbraltar border,
Somehow, you feel that a hearsay report from 1987, about Masonic secret plans for World Domination, based in the Channel Islands, and the Queen personally orchestrating tax-havens, with 2 billion co-conspirators, is relevant to this story.
If this is so secret, how do YOU know about it with such certainty?
:-D
Are you sure you are not really “Marco Alejandro” the stupidest Troll on MP??
@74 Clyde
Aug 16th, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So pleased to know you are not underwater as Paul claims.
I phoned a mate in Wales and he tells me he isn't underwater either.
#82
Aug 16th, 2015 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I had to go out to water the garden tonight. It's not been the sunniest of summers but an average temp. of 17°C feels OK if the wind doesn't blow too hard.
Anyway we are hardy creatures up here.
#81 I really have no idea what you are talking about, but I can't possibly be the only person in the world to realize that we are being lied to.
Aug 16th, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This story of Spain being a threat to a British dependency is ridiculous. Especially since Spain was chasing criminal drug traffickers. I find it all very interesting and a look under the veneer exposes so much dirt. Reality is better than fiction, and it is fascinating. I feel obliged to share the truth when I see it and I care about the world our children live in.
If this isn't quintessential Imperialism, I don't know what is. British commonwealths are not immune from the looting. Money is being looted and taken from the poorest of people even in African nations.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network
“The victims of this secrecy include, among others, 2 billion Commonwealth citizens,” Christensen tells the Queen. “A recent study of 33 African countries found that they lost over $1tr in capital flight since the 1970s, of which $640bn came from 16 Commonwealth countries. These losses dwarf the external debts of 'just' $190bn for the 33 countries.”
80 gothamgirl
Aug 16th, 2015 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Tax Justice Network says...
”Global tax expert Richard Murphy said...he wrote in his Tax Research blog“
Fortune briefly mentioned Gibraltar as among ”the world’s offshore tax shelters.
as for the rest it was full of 'he says' and 'he said so'; in other words highly speculative. So while I believe there may be a lot of truth in the claims, but there is absolutely no compelling evidence. But if 'conspiracies, are your niche then enjoy them. But until there is hard evidence that is all your posts are about.
83
Aug 16th, 2015 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 022 degrees tomorrow or rather today and the next day....
I'm thinking of going Salmon poaching....up the Massan just by Emma Thompson's place....I don't even like Salmon, but I like poaching...;-)
Nice to see you back....thought something had happened to you...
I link everything I post. I could not possibly make this stuff up if I tried. This isn't just hard evidence, it is blatant elitist corruption.
Aug 16th, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0David Cameron's family has money in tax shelters, I didn't write these articles. The peasants pay taxes, and those with money, no matter where it comes from, get speecial privileges? There is no way to justify this.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-father-left-assets-in-jersey-tax-haven-for-family-to-inherit-10217244.html
87 Gothgirl
Aug 16th, 2015 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do any of your speculations about Commonwealth tax conspiracies in Africa in the 70's , the Caribbean, and Jersey, have to do with Spain harassing fellow EU members, firing upon Jet Skiers within Gibraltar Territorial Waters etc. ?
You are speculating wildly and your self- righteousness indignation at Masons planning World Domination financed by the Queen as a ringleader of money launderers is hilarious... !
:-D
What else ya got??
87 gothamgirl “David Cameron's family has money in tax shelters,”
Aug 17th, 2015 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your point is what as it's perfectly legal? In fact, his father would have been remiss if he hadn't placed his assets in off-shore trusts, when faced with the UK's daunting Super Tax and crippling Death Duties. That is why there is such a developed branch of law called Equity and Trusts. Whose sole purpose is to use all the legally available strategies to protect your finances from excessive taxation.
#84
Aug 17th, 2015 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just got fed up with the “hate the Scots” faction and decided to let them live in their hate bubble, without any comment from me, as it seems to be a comfort to them. Why should I deny them their pleasure by pointing out some home truths about their beloved land.
I was commenting to my wife about people forever texting to twitter/facebook and what a stupid waste of time it was when I realised I was spending too much time doing the same on his forum, so I gave it a rest.
The “discussions” were really just an exchange of personal abuse and still seem to be the same. Posters come here with their own agenda - some genuine- and others obviously Trolls. It's good to leave it for a few months and come back to see that nothing has changed.
The salmon have been running up the river Ayr practically without stopping due to the river having been in spate for weeks.
I have seen a few in the harbour leaping to rid themselves of sea lice OR trying to escape our resident Grey Seal which hangs about the harbour mouth.
Otters also hang about here now.
There has also been a good run of mackerel for the last month - almost tempted to get out my ABU 507 reel and my 8 foot spinner rod which I made from a Hardy blank. However, I don't like killing fish for“sport” and eating mackerel disagrees with my digestive system.....too oily.
I now hand back the forum to those who like a pointless argument.
#88 #89 are you brethren from the same Masonic temple?
Aug 17th, 2015 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since sarcasm is lost on you, I really don't want to kmow the answer to that question. The point is that Spain being a threat to this British dependecy is Bull Crap.
Gibralter is obviously one of the Crown's cash cows and there is something else going on. Perhaps the natives are getting restless. Nothing get's people to shut up and get in line like a little fear factor. They have had us under the threat of something since I can remember.
There is also the fact that global criminal enterprise and these tax shelters go hand in hand. It truly makes you question the origin of “radical Islam” since the likes of Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with MIddle East history. They are all made up groups, and they are all in the drug and human trafficking trade. It is obvious who is benefitting from this. Not you or me, it is the City of London.
Those of us who aren't subjects find it appalling that elite politicians don't pay taxes and are willing to send the commoners to prison if they don't pay. That is why the likes of Mitt Romney didn't win an election.
Then there is the fact that poor nations are being looted by treasonous despots, and that money is going to places like Gibralter. Think about the fact the Swiss Leaks found over $900 Billion of secretive accounts in just one bank the British HSBC. The country with the highest amount of illicit funds is Venezuela. The despots in Venezuela are funneling the people's money (PDVSA) into these secretive tax shelters. The same applies for Africa, Iran, China, Russia, etc.
Chavez and the bus driver didn't get into power on their own. They were placed. When you see who is bennefitting from the looting of nations, the bizarre orchestrated turmoil around the world makes sense.
All of this may be irrelevant to you, but from what I see all roads lead to the City of London. There is no paranoia, it is plain as day.
91 gothamgirl
Aug 17th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“#89 are you brethren from the same Masonic temple?”
I have never belonged to the Mason's or any other organization for that matter.
“The point is that Spain being a threat to this British dependency is Bull Crap.”
Oh their a threat alright, the question is how much of one?
As Spain is clearly in violation of the UN Charter and thus international law. Also, UN Resolution 2625 (XXV); ” … 1. Solemnly proclaims the following principles:... By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations,all peoples have the right freely to determine, without external interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every State has the duty to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter.... Every State has the duty to promote, through joint and separate action, realization of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, (through the) -
• establishment of a sovereign and independent State,
• free association, or
• integration with an independent State, or
• the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people...
Also 1514 (XV), “Declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples”. exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected. and 2131(XX); 2225(XXI)
“but from what I see all roads lead to the City of London.” Perhaps, but your hardly an unbiased viewpoint.
Whatever makes you happy but Gibralter is not sovereign or independent. That really doesn't concern me.
Aug 18th, 2015 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0What bothers me is what is done to vulnerable nations who don't have a voice. If what is dont to Africa isn't quintessential Imperialism, I don't know what is. Money is being looted and taken from the poorest of people around the world. African nations are also under British rule as commonwealth dependencies, they also have treasonous despots funneling money into tax shelters controlled by the City of London. This is simply bad juju, karma, whatever you want to call it. No bueno.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/07/britain-tax-havens-queen-secrecy-justice-network
“The victims of this secrecy include, among others, 2 billion Commonwealth citizens,” Christensen tells the Queen. ”A recent study of 33 African countries found that they lost over $1tr in capital flight since the 1970s, of which $640bn came from 16 Commonwealth countries. These losses dwarf the external debts of 'just' $190bn for the 33 countries.
93 pontificating twit
Aug 18th, 2015 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have so many conflicting, overlapping, muddled conspiracy theories that it is laughable!
none of them however, are directly linked to Spain's behavior towards Gibraltar.
gibraltar is sovereign and not Spain's, they signed away those rights of ownership hundreds of years ago - like it or not.
whatever you think is going on there, does not justify the actions of Spain.
It seems that you want to discuss “treasonous despots” from Africa, and the Chavists who are robbing their own people - nothing to do with Gibraltar and Spain in this article.
Go pedal your lunacy on a site where they discuss that.
First though, you might want to organise your thoughts and link them together in a logical order to prove a point - you're frothing at the mouth is hilarious.
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