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Gibraltar a ‘fundamental objective' of Spanish foreign policy with ample funds to support it
Pushing Spain’s claim over the sovereignty of Gibraltar is “a fundamental objective” for Spanish foreign policy, according to budget plans presented by the Ministry for Foreign Affairs in Madrid this week. Read full article
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Aug 12th, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't Spain struggling with one of Europe's worst defecits!?!
Looks like the are going to try the CFK Argentina route- waste loads of money spluttering in the wrong Int Organisation - simpley because they know that the RIGHT One- The Int Court of Justice - would throw their case out in the street!
Aug 12th, 2015 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0So now we will have 2 bunches of Hispanic speaking loosers.
What is the Spaniards problem with Gibraltar. If it was occupied by North Korea I could understand it. But its a British Overseas Territory and has been for hundreds of years. WHY?
Aug 12th, 2015 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3. I think that the answer is in the spanish psyche. In other words, the spanish, like the argies, are psychotic. Check back through history. When Britain cast off the yoke of the papacy, the spanish were amongst the first to decide that the right course of action was armed force. Time and again, spain attacked. And were beaten. Can the hated British heretics be allowed to win?
Aug 12th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind the FACT that the people of the Falklands don't want to be argies. Never mind the FACT that the people of Gibraltar don't want to be spanish. It's why “they” concentrate on the land. Never mind the people. Argies are quite happy to see Falklanders shipped off somewhere else. The spanish are probably quite happy to see the people of Gibraltar shipped elsewhere. People aren't important to these dictatorships. Here's an argie attitude. The PEOPLE of the Falkland Islands don't exist. Here's a comparable spanish attitude. It's okay to leave people to stand for hours in spain's summer sun to cross the frontier.
Two criminal countries displaying their crimes to the world. That can't see it!
Not that l'd like to see Spain takeover Gibraltar, but Spain might have more credibility if they returned Melilla & Ceuta to Morocco.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain wants to have its cake & eat it.
Gibraltar for the Gibraltarians.
Falklands for the Falklanders.
Spain & Argentina can get lost.
Morons
No mention of Gollum 2?
Aug 12th, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He hasn't got liver cancer like Gollum, has he? I do hope so.
Waste of time and money and the sooner the UK leave the EU the better for all UK taxpayers.
What do the UK or Spain want with a rock?
Aug 12th, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do Argentina and the UK want with some Island populated by a bunch of hillbillies?
Are there not more important things in this world to fight about?
Yes, we invaded Mexico and stole 60% of Mexican territory in the 1800's but we've moved on.
Spanish is trying the Argentinean method.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Failure, here we come.
Both Argentina and Spain can't get over the fact that a few people don't want their nationality because hey are crap countries that can't run themselves properly.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The penny will never drop
@livingthedream...the conquistadors want the Rock because with it and it's two territories over the strait (I don't see them proposing to hand them back by the way) they will have a stranglehold over access to the Mediterranian.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain is a sham democracy already, they only pretended to be one to get access to the EU and borrow impossible sums of money (mostly German and British billions) Having authority over access to the Med would allow them to dominate a vital trade route, and believe me they would exploit it.
In the case of Gibraltar it was legally ceded to Britain in 1713, later in the treaty of Versailles Britain ceded Minorca and it's half of Florida to the conquistadors in a deal over Gibraltar...are the Spanish proposing to hand them back as part of a settlement? Of course not, in the case of Florida the Americans might have something to say about it.
@9 Pete Bog
Aug 12th, 2015 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the rub, isn't it? If Spain and Argentina were such great countries to live in, then ALL they would have to do is show the people of Gibraltar and the Falklands the benefits they would gain by voluntarily becoming those respective nationalities.
But the problem is that both countries are failing pseudo democracies, whose respective governments use Gibraltar and the Falklands as a diversion to mask the complete and total mess that they've made of Spain and Argentina.
But the 'macho' side of their pride just can't accept that the people who live in these territories can see them for what they are and just don't want to be a part of their failing countries.
The best Argentina can offer is a 'political' promise (and we all know just how much water they hold) to the people of the Falklands that they can keep English as their language (although all business would have to be done in Spanish), they could send a representative to Parliament, and they might (just might mind) be entitled to a very small portion of any revenue from oil exploration and fisheries around the islands.
But they already have their own government. They already have their own language, and they already get 100% of the revenue from the fisheries, and will from the oil, once it starts flowing.
So Argentina is offering them nothing...except Argentine citizenship, which is useless compared to having British citizenship.
Spain is in a similar predicament as to Argentina. They vaguely offer the Gibraltarians some promises, and tell them nothing will change...except the fact that they will no longer have their own government, and they will no longer control their own budget, and they will have to adopt Spanish as their 1st language.
But all Spain can truly offer is Spanish citizenship, which is nothing compared to having British citizenship.
So Spain and Argentina want, and want, and offer nothing.
But let them both bankrupt themselves with these useless political stunts.
10 - re; this trade route domination theory, why is Spain not doing that already given that Ceuta is closer to the southern Spanish coast (~18km) than the most southerly point of Gibraltar is (~21km).
Aug 12th, 2015 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Spain truly wanted to control access to the Med it would.
1 - I think thats the overall budget for Spanish foreign affairs.
Does this mean that the Treaty of Utrecht must be renegotiated by all signatories. The terms of treaties surely cannot be ignored unilaterally? Or does Spain live in another planet?
Aug 12th, 2015 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibralta a very biga success.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gets up Spaniards noses.
Spain leading member of Club Med, main supply waiters in Europe
What a mistaka to maka!
With ample funds to support it,
Aug 12th, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And probably paid in part by the British,
I bet we even give Spain overseas aid, [anyone know if we do ]
Now’s the time for Britain to fully aid and help Spains overseas colonies who want their independence and freedom from Spain,
But will we do anything,
Sadly no,
The EU is stopping us, apparently we may need their permission.
The EU Defence Policy and British Forces
http://pol-check.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/the-eu-defence-policy-and-british-forces.html
read it please it may help.
@11
Aug 12th, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No idea of aspiration to be anything-they don't even take how people think into account.
If Argentine and Spanish government thinking was in force in the Premier League, a player in a top club playing champions league football on £200 000 a week would be offered less money to join a club not in the champions league on the basis that the training facilities might be as good as the club being brought from. If the player said no, the Spanish or Argentine government would wonder why.
7@
Aug 12th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, we invaded Mexico and stole 60% of Mexican territory ,
[ have I misread this, who invaded Mexico.]
What a odd world we try to live in,
here we have two nutters trying to take what is not theirs, and think that is ok.
yet both refuse anyone invading them and stealing their lands,
it seems some countries are still living in the stone age.
and some blog supporters are still willing to carry a torch for them...
I'm not sure that the current government has long left does it, isn't the election in December. All the indications are for a left wing government who's main objective is to reduce corruption an not an obsession with Gibraltar.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If a left wing government does get in, I would expect Catalonia to be right back on the agenda too.
It's difficult to progress a foreign policy if you're not in power.
Unless of course, those in power, refuses to give it up,
Aug 12th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you never can tell with some countries.
@7. Still trying to appear intelligent? Few yanks can do this. Spain wants a rock because its brain is made of rock. Argieland just lies. The important factors are the people. And so, if we are pushed far enough, argieland and spain will have to be destroyed. Probably not a good idea for an upstart colony to interfere in something it doesn't have the brain to understand.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 These conflicts aren't for distraction. They are mostly for pride and for a good reason: because of people like you who constantly laugh at us.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know you want us to drop our claims and you say that you will respect us but to us if we do that by doing that we will be inferior beings to you and you will laugh and humilliate us until the end of time.
So no matter how shitty our countries are, we will keep this until the end of time, because otherwise we will accept our inferiority and never be humans with dignity like you the British.
Another waste of money pursuing the “tell everyone lies while failing to take your non-existent case to the proper authorities because you are a gutless nation of neo-colonialists with no principles and no courage” route favoured by those Latin nations.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So they waste 1.5bn euros when they can't even feed their children, or provide school books? Shows where their priorities are.
#6: He is under investigation for fraud, along with every other member of his party.
#11: It says quite a lot that Spain is the only nation in Western Europe which has a territorial dispute with every single neighbour of theirs.
#12: I understand they tried the “we control the Straits and you need permission to pass” line once. Apparently the US Navy's answer was: “this is the Sixth Fleet, with two aircraft carriers. How the fuck do you propose to stop us?”
#15: Through the EU Development fund, the UK provides Spain with approximately 600 million euros per annum in aid. Which htey then spend on harrassing British citizens. Something wrong there that the UK Govt should address immediately by specifying that it will continue to pay into the EU fund provided that its contribution to Spain is stopped immediately.
Its time to leave the EU and take our money home . Cameron has utterly failed.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hands up now who wants to leave.
so funny to see these macacos and benny-hillbillies whining in the same pathetic way.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it will be a lot more fun when england be expelled from the EU and the gate will be closed forever.
then the macacos will scream like monos aulladores.
#24: We're not the ones wailing pathetically: that's MArgallo, Rajoy and his bunch of kleptomaniac, spineless buffoons. And you.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They lie to everyone, steal from their own people, and stamp their feet and throw hissy-fits: but they can't find the courage to take their cases to court, either on the isthmus, or the waters, or generally: because they have already admitted that they have no case and will lose.
Instead they waste 1.5bn euros lying to everyone across the world while children starve and the talented young people - who should be Spain's future - leave in the hundreds of thousands.
And at the end of it all Gibraltar will still be British and will still be prosperous.
As will the Falklands. While you sit in your third-world dictatorship and cry to anyone who will listen.
shut up septic tank and return to england where you belong
Aug 12th, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Aug 12th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that's what's called an inferiority complex.
Paul shitsurfer of Villa 31 well known in BA, smell him coming sometimes. Pezzo di merda! Latino idiotas gotta ideas like dreams that never happened. Gibralter safe gateway to Med guarantee by British Royal Navy. Same thing Falkland Islands maka safe gateway to Pacific and America secret support British Falkland. Same with Chile.
Aug 12th, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Aug 13th, 2015 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reason people laugh at you is because of the clownish and childish actions of your government.
You covet other people's land, land that you have no historic, moral or legal right to. Your government cry's, lies, crawls and begs numerous international organisations yet avoids like the plague the ONLY body in the world that could actually ORDER a change of sovereignty.
Tell me, MagnusMaster, if your claim to the Falklands, and Spain's claim to Gibraltar, is so solid why oh why haven't the Argentine and Spainish governments taken their respective cases to the International Courts of Justice?
Just saying something is yours doesn't make it true.
An illegal military occupation in late 1832 that lasted less than 6 weeks does not a solid claim make.
But none of that matters. ALL treaties and agreements were superseded by the UN Charter. And the UN Charter gives ALL people the right to self determination.
So the ONLY legal way for Argentina to get the Falklands and for the Spanish to get Gibraltar is for the people of those territories to AGREE to a change of sovereignty.
Both Argentina and Spain have an odd way of wooing the people of those territories, basically threatening them.
It's like asking a woman out on a date by saying: ' Do you want to go out with me? If not, I'll beat you up and rape you.'
Only the 'man' doing the asking is a weakling, and. The woman's six foot, muscles bulging brother is stood behind her waiting to give him a good shoeing.
So all Argentina and Spain have to do is persuade a small number of people that bring Argentine or Spanish would be beneficial. But neither country can't offer them anything better than they currently have, because both countries are failing pseudo democracies, that are spiralling down into oblivion.
Both the Falklands and Gibraltar will eventually choose to become independent countries, and Argentina and Spain will still be crying, lying and begging to no avail.
@Briton - Gibraltar is economically self sufficient and does not receive any financial aid from the UK. Indeed it employs around 10,000 Spaniards who along with their families would otherwise starve as there are no jobs for them in Spain.
Aug 13th, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The nonsense in the media is to distract Spaniards from corruption by the PP.
No idea why Argentina claims the Falklands when they live in a paradise free of all corruption and debt.
@29 “The reason people laugh at you is because of the clownish and childish actions of your government.”
Aug 13th, 2015 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if we surrender and bend over to you like inferior dogs you will stop gloating at us? That's laughable.
This isn't about self determination or the law. This only matters to the idiots that believe in diplomacy.
This is about you British thinking you are the master race because of your military history. But don't pretend we are going to like getting raped by you.
Dream on: It is of vital UK (and European/US strategic importance, and Gibraltar citizens prefer their way of life to being an Unstable Spanish plaything.
Aug 13th, 2015 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21. Of course we laugh at you. You come out with such ridiculous things. Have you ever read this? http://www.falklandshistory.com/false-falklands-history.pdf
Aug 13th, 2015 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see? You lie and lie and lie. Sometimes you alter your lies when it becomes clear that your own national records don't support your “claim”. Sometimes you add extra lies. And so we laugh, because we know the truth. Every year you trot off to the C-24 to repeat your lies with the support of that lying traitor, Alejandro Betts. It's even easy to poke holes in his “story”.
Here are a couple of clues. At the end of World War 2, the Germans admitted that they'd been wrong. They saw that they actually didn't have a “right” to “lebensraum” obtained by killing millions of people across Europe. Nor did they have any “right” to class various people as “untermenschen”, only usable as slave labour. A world away, Japan admitted it had no right to impose its “Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” by force. Both countries finished up with constitutions that forbid various actions against other nations.
So it can be done. It's true that it will take a while. Because we remember the stratagem of “friendly relations” that you used for about 10 years after the Falklands War. Probably best to think in terms of saying and doing the right things for about 50 years. By that time you might get so used to doing it, you'll become naturally honest. A final thought. Everybody makes mistakes. The right thing to do, even for a country, is to admit it, say you're sorry and then prove it.
@24. Glad you're amused. So are we. Remember 1982? How many of your vessels did we destroy? How many aircraft? How many have you replaced? How many of your “troops” got killed? Who surrendered? And if the UK and the EU part ways, we can do the same to spain. By the way, we “belong” wherever we want to be. Ever seen a latino able to tell us otherwise and make it stick? You're a proper personification of a latino. All mouth.
22 - you'd need more than the sixth fleet to take the strait away from Spain.
Aug 13th, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Without nuclear/bio/chem war theres only 1 nation on earth that acting alone could beat Spain on home turf ... and its not the US.
Or its poodle.
@31 MagnusMaster
Aug 13th, 2015 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So in order to appear strong and manly over some IMAGINARY issue that your leadership made up in order to distract the masses from the almighty mess they've made of your country, you think the only recourse is to try and bully a small island, try to steal in and ethnically cleanse it?
Well, MagnusMaster, you are not portraying strong and manly, you are portraying petulant, mean, impotent and laughable.
This is actually nothing to do with the British, except for the fact that the British are stopping you from your attempts to steal land and murder people, which is the real reason you're angry.
IF you have a grievance take it to the International Courts of Justice and PROVE your case.
All the clownish, bullying antics by your government will NOT get you what you want.
All you have to do is PROVE why an illegal military occupation that lasted less than 6 weeks, by a bunch of mutinous and murderous soldiers, over rules the ENSHRINED right to self determination of a people who can trace their ancestry back to before said mutinous, murderous soldiers even set foot on the islands.
It's that pesky thing called INTERNATIONAL LAW that is actually blocking both Argentina and Spain.
You can try to ignore the law but it won't be ignoring you.
@35 “So in order to appear strong and manly over some IMAGINARY issue that your leadership made up in order to distract the masses from the almighty mess they've made of your country, you think the only recourse is to try and bully a small island, try to steal in and ethnically cleanse it?
Aug 13th, 2015 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, MagnusMaster, you are not portraying strong and manly, you are portraying petulant, mean, impotent and laughable.
This is actually nothing to do with the British, except for the fact that the British are stopping you from your attempts to steal land and murder people, which is the real reason you're angry.”
Trying the holier than thou approach now eh?
I am angry because you think you are superior to you and that's why you gloat that all the time to us.
Dropping that claim won't make us any less impotent and laughable, it will make us impotent and laughable until the end of time. That gesture would only be telling you we accept to be inferior dogs to you. Sorry, we aren't going to accept that.
And if we have to take land and murder people to get people to stop laughing at us and respecting us as human beings (because dropping our claim for certain won't do that, I know how your kind of people work) then so be it. It won't happen anytime soon anyways.
When you start respecting us then we can talk about self-determination, which go against the whole idea of nations, and the international law you imposed on us and the whole world after WWII.
“Independently of any actions taken in the multilateral domain to defend the recovery of Spanish territorial integrity, it is vital that Spain’s bilateral activity with all countries in the international community also seeks to achieve this objective”
Aug 13th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0spot on
argentina must do the same.
these anachronic english colonies have to disappear from the face of earth.
now if little britain is receiving migrants from tanganyika, pakistan, etc, they also can receive the whole bunch of squatters of gibraltar and malvinas.
your time is over, dear inhabitants of the 3rd class colonies.
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Aug 13th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some great pictures.
http://forces.tv/94842774
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30 Ann Other
Briton - Gibraltar is economically self sufficient and does not receive any financial aid from the UK
[ did I imply anything such ]
37@
it is vital that Spain’s bilateral activity =
ICJ or nothing.
@36
Aug 13th, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How exactly does self-determination go against the whole idea of nations?
@36MagnusMaster,
Aug 13th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course we're laughing at you, you keep doing ridiculous things.
You haven't earned the right to be treated as adults because your whole attitude is childish.
Your country tells outrageous lies, refuses to pay its debts,tries to steal land that isn't theirs & will NEVER admit that they are wrong.
When you start to act like adults, you will be treated like adults,
if you continue to act like children, then you will be treated like children.
lts your decision so stop whining & actually do something mature.
Your move.
@36
Aug 13th, 2015 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“When you start respecting us then we can talk about self-determination, which go against the whole idea of nations”
So you think that the fate of your country should not be decided by YOUR own people?
Self determination IS the idea of nations. Your people kicked out the Spanish in 1811 did they not?
An act of self determination.
The UK was kicked out of the USA by self determination.
The Indians got independence from the UK through self determination.
Stay stuck with your argentine 19th century colonial mind set if you wish.
Self determination is ever more relevant in the 21st century.
And it's not going away.
isolda
Aug 14th, 2015 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Your country tells outrageous lies, refuses to pay its debts,tries to steal land that isn't theirs & will NEVER admit that they are wrong.”
are you talking about the uk?
then, spot on my dear isolda.
spot on.
41 pete boludo
“Stay stuck with your argentine 19th century colonial mind set if you wish.”
lets see, little britain has 16 colonies.
argentina has never had 1.
now, i know you are not too bright, but the primary condition for a territory to be considered a colony is that it has to be outside of the territory of the coloniser country.
so, gibraltar, malvinas or northern ireland could never be considered colonies of spain, argentina or ireland, because THEY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE TERRITORIES OF SPAIN, ARGENTINA AND IRELAND.
CAPISCE, PETE PELOTUDO?
Respect is rarely given, it is always earned.
Aug 14th, 2015 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0A simple lesson for Argentina.
@42 Think,
Aug 14th, 2015 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you that stupid? Of course you are.
You know full well that l'm talking about Argentina.
What a pity, you idiot peronistas have taken a wealthy country with so much promise & have turned it into a 3rd world, corrupt, failing, rogue state with no morals or scruples at all.
You whinge, you moan, you complain how everything has been denied to you & refuse to take responsibility for your own actions.
lt is ALWAYS someone else's fault, NEVER poor, poor Argentina.
Grow up you juvenile delinquents, small wonder that your neighbours(& us!) despise you.
Stop your childish whining about how bad you're being treated.
Recognize the fact, that this IS NOT your land, NEVER has been & NEVER will be.
You're a Moron, Think.
@40 It is not mature to bend over to you, silly.
Aug 14th, 2015 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@41 “So you think that the fate of your country should not be decided by YOUR own people?”
I don't mean that exactly, I mean that having people vote to secede or join another country goes against the concept of a nation, which was defined when the first nation-states were created in Europe.
People should be able to vote for their own government but they are born into a nation, and should not (normally) be able to divorce simply because they don't like the nation they are born into. It is one thing to have choice over the fate of our country, and a very different one to be able to join or split your country as if it was a country club. Otherwise, let every single third-world nation to vote to be an American or British colony and go back to the days of colonialism. Why not?
But the biggest problem I have with self-determination is that the UK promotes it for their own self-interest. I know you are talking the Mapuches into pushing to secede Patagonia for Argentina because you don't like us.
When we kicked out the Spanish it wasn't through vote, it was through force and it was decided by a handful of wealthy people, not a referendum. Back then there was hardly any concept of self-determination, so don't compare it with your situation.
Why do you think people are divided and discriminated based on nationality if a nation is just a simple club you can join? It's because you are born into a nation and it is a part of you just like your race.
When people stop dividing and discriminating people into nations then maybe we can consider nations as country clubs. But I would prefer getting past the relics of the 17th century and have a global government so that people aren't divided into nations anymore. It would be less tyranical than what we have now anyway.
@42
Aug 14th, 2015 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“lets see, little britain has 16 colonies.
argentina has never had 1.”
“ the primary condition for a territory to be considered a colony is that it has to be outside of the territory of the coloniser country.”
Incorrect as usual. A colony is a territory that is directly ruled by the coloniser.
If the Falkland Islanders voted for Argentine nationality, the UK would leave.
A coloniser would not leave, and disregard the wishes of the local population.
Your emphasis on land ownership and not the wishes of the people born on that land are a prime example of a 19th century colonial mind set. Argentina criticises British colonial practice in the past, yet strangely wants to copy it in the 21st century.
The Falklands are not directly ruled by the UK, for instance the Governor (Queen's representative) as in Canada and Australia has no voting rights, and the resources of the Islands belong to the Islanders.
If the BOTs were still colonies, they would send revenue and taxes to the colonising country.
Whilst Argentina has no overseas colonies at present, it wishes to colonise the Islands by taking away political control from the people that were born there.
That is Imperialism.
This would make the Falkland islands a colony of Argentina, because they don't want Argentine rule and any action to take the Islands by Argentina without the consent of the local population is colonisation.
“THEY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE TERRITORIES OF SPAIN, ARGENTINA AND IRELAND.”
They aren't because the people who live there do not want Spanish, Argentine or Irish nationality.
If that was the case, why is Alaska not Canadian?
And if Canada put in a claim, do you seriously think the USA would give Alaska over?
By your logic Jersey and Guernsey belong to France.
In the real world, they don't.
Cuba is off the coast of the USA-so it belongs to the USA?
French Guana borders Brazil-it is a long way from France-so it's Brazilian?
You really are a simpleton, Paul.
@45 MagnusMaster
Aug 14th, 2015 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK doesn't use self determination for their own purposes. The UK FOLLOWS International Law which states that ALL people have the right to self determination.
You, erroneously believe, that Argentina has the right to own the Falkland Islands based on an illegal military occupation that not only failed (due to mutiny) but lasted LESS than 6 weeks, by a military force that wasn't even Argentine! Argentina didn't even exist as a nation at the time!
And that is why Argentina won't take it's case to the ONLY, and I repeat ONLY body in the world that can legally ORDER a change of sovereignty: the International Courts of Justice.
As for nation states?!?! OMG you really don't know history do you? Well the very 1st nation state was England. It was formed about 1,500 years ago, long before democracy as we know it.
In fact democracy as we know it, is only a few hundred years old, so it would've been impossible for people in the creation of European states to 'vote' on it, because quite frankly no one knew what democracy was.
However, the human race evolves, as does our systems of government. So now, today, in the 21 century the people have the RIGHT to choose. They can even choose OVER territorial integrity (such as Kosovo did).
Your problem is that you want to apply 21st century law to an event that happen in the 19th century (and even if it was it wouldn't go in Argentina's favour), and you want to apply 19th century law to today.
And it's a pity we can't, because if we could use 19th century law the UK would've kicked the crap out of Argentina and Spain, and Argentina's creditors would've sent in a military force to take back what you owe them. So be thankful for small mercies.
Your utopian idea of having one world government won't work. The reason it won't work is because of countries like Argentina who decide to pick and choose when to follow International law.
p.s. You really do have a HUGE inferiority complex.
what a pair of pelotudos ...lol
Aug 14th, 2015 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 044- lets start with isolda:
are you obsessed with mr think, you isolda?
yes you are.
england or that thing called uk has always told YOU, you brainwashed english wannabes, a fucking lot of lies.
and since you lot are not too bright, they became as the Verdad Revelada for you, bunch of ignoramuses.
england is one of the most indebted countries on earth, they owe money to the us, spain, france, germany, and even to argentina, since they have never paid their debt of ww2.
about stealing land, you have to be very hypocrite to mention it.
england stole northern ireland, malvinas, gibraltar, and 16 colonies more, not to mention what they have stole during their whole fucking history.
not by chance the world knows them as pirates.
46- now pete el pelotudo:
“If the Falkland Islanders voted for Argentine nationality, the UK would leave”
what you dont understand, dear pete el pelotudo, is that the isleteers are squatters.
they do not have any right to decide a shite.
and BOT is just an euphemism for colony.
these retards think that cahnging the name is enough not to be classified as a colony...lol
simpletons you both are.
@47 “The UK doesn't use self determination for their own purposes. The UK FOLLOWS International Law which states that ALL people have the right to self determination.”
Aug 14th, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are really naive aren't you? Why would the UK push so strongly about self-determination if it wasn't for your interests? Or do you really believe you are holier than thou? What about that Mapuche Nation NGO which is staffed by British citizens?
” You, erroneously believe, that Argentina has the right to own the Falkland Islands based on an illegal military occupation that not only failed (due to mutiny) but lasted LESS than 6 weeks, by a military force that wasn't even Argentine! Argentina didn't even exist as a nation at the time!“
As far as everyone in Argentina is concerned, the United Provinces are Argentina, since that is what eventually became. And nothing was there when we came there.
Perhaps it's not good enough for law, but it's good enough for us. Anyhow we won't ever drop our claim no matter how flimsy it is because of people like you who constantly denigrate us.
”However, the human race evolves, as does our systems of government. So now, today, in the 21 century the people have the RIGHT to choose. They can even choose OVER territorial integrity (such as Kosovo did).“
OK, then why can't every third-world country join to the USA or the UK and flood those countries?
You can either have nations without giving people the right to choose to which nations they belong to or a world government. Having both is an abomination that only serves the powerful countries to balkanize and denigrate other countries.
”Your utopian idea of having one world government won't work. The reason it won't work is because of countries like Argentina who decide to pick and choose when to follow International law.”
And having the powerful countries write law & imposing it on the weak is any different?
p.s. It's not an inferiority complex when you and your kind denigrate us and think we are inferior people.
Let’s see, little Britain has 16 colonies.
Aug 14th, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never had 1.
So what do you call that bit of land you stole and now occupy in the Antarctic?
[ A Christmas present ]
Inside every paulcedron II is a normal human trying to get out…
lol
@48 Think,
Aug 14th, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l addressed my post to señor Think & as paulcedron, you replied.
So you confirm & admit that you are, in fact, the slimy snake himself.
Thank you.
lf you have the impression that l am“obsessed” with you, then that is your perception.
To other posters here it may look like l have degraded myself, but it was worth it to me as l have flushed you out again.
Drop the pc charade, Think. lt was a bad choice. snigger,snigger.
@45 MagnusMaster,
“……because you don't like us”
-you got that right, we don't like you.
Because you keep trying to steal our land & because you lie to the world about us.
Why would we like thieves & liars?
lf you want us to like you, all you have to do is to accept us & be a good neighbour.
This however seems difficult for you.
@49MagnusMaster,
We only denigrate you because of your arrogant & haughty attitude.
We know that you won't drop your ridiculous“claim”because you want to steal OUR land & it is not in your psyche to be able to admit that you are wrong.
Just for interests sake, Magnus, on what do you base your claim for South Georgia?
Bearing in mind that the British discovered & claimed the lsland & no Argentine has ever lived there.
l have asked a few Argentines & not a one can give me an answer.
l fully expect you to just ignore the question, Magnus. lol
Surprise me. Give me a good reason why South Georgia should belong to Argentina.
Remember, proximity is NOT a valid answer.
Cheers
@49
Aug 14th, 2015 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is you that is really naive.
Let's start with your statement about the UK backing Maupche nation. Well it's an NGO. That stands for None Governmental Organisation. In other words private citizens.
Arenting has often said that self determination doesn't apply to 'implanted' populations. This is Argentina trying desperately to circumnavigate international law which states that ALL people have the right to self determination.
But the flaw in Argentina's argument is that IF implanted populations DON'T have the right to self determination, then NO ONE in ANY country in the Americas have that right UNLESS they are of native Amerindian descent.
Remember YOUR ancestors stole their land in an act of colonisation. Just like they then subsequently broke away from the 'mother' country in an act of self determination to form Argentina (in 1853).
@51 I always thought South Georgia was a chip to use in case of negotiations and an excuse (along with the Sandwich islands) to claim more of Antartica. But only hardcore nationalists care about those.
Aug 14th, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51
Aug 14th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's the irrefutable proof of Argentina's claim to South Georgia. It's a picture of two foundered sealing vessels with Argentine flags on the mast.
http://www.irizar.org/819puglisi-georgias.pdf
I am really trying hard not to laugh for fear of being murdered.
@52 “Let's start with your statement about the UK backing Maupche nation. Well it's an NGO. That stands for None Governmental Organisation. In other words private citizens.”
Aug 14th, 2015 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Private citizens that just happen to be all British and trying to convince the Mapuche to break off from Argentina.
Pretty suspicious if you ask me. I wonder how many of them are spies?
“Arenting has often said that self determination doesn't apply to 'implanted' populations. This is Argentina trying desperately to circumnavigate international law which states that ALL people have the right to self determination.
But the flaw in Argentina's argument is that IF implanted populations DON'T have the right to self determination, then NO ONE in ANY country in the Americas have that right UNLESS they are of native Amerindian descent.”
You make a good point.
But what you want us to do is to bend over like the Amerindians did. There is one thing we learned from them and that is to never forgive and never forget.
@55
Aug 15th, 2015 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thomas Szasz — 'The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.'
And truly fucked up never forgive or forget something that never happened in the first place.
These islands are British full stop,
Aug 15th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And no amount of whining or crying will alter this fact,
Argentina should grow up and live in the 21st century, instead of the 18th century.
@48
Aug 15th, 2015 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“what you dont understand, dear pete el pelotudo, is that the isleteers are squatters.”
If they are squatters why hasn't Argentina removed them?
As most Islanders were born in the Islands they cannot therefore be squatters.
“cahnging the name is enough not to be classified as a colony...lol”
It's not about changing the name. The Falkland Islands are not directly ruled from the UK-the Governor can no longer vote in the Legislative Council.
If the Falkland Islands was run as a colony all of the revenues from oil and fishing would have to be sent in taxes to the UK.
It isn't, so it's not a colony.
You are simple as you cannot work this out.
“they do not have any right to decide a shite.”
They HAVE decided to stay British.
The signs are still in English and so is the official paperwork.
They have decided and it is a fact they are British-otherwise Argentina would adsminister the Islands.
@31
“And if we surrender and bend over to you like inferior dogs you will stop gloating at us? That's laughable”
If you drop your farcical claim to the Falkland Islands it will be not be seen as a sign of surrender but as a sign of strength and the fact that you can see sense.
You would be admired if you apologised to the Falkland islanders for the war you started.
You might even be admired, even though you will be opposed, if you had the guts to go to the ICJ.
But misrepresenting history and what the UN stipulates, makes you a laughing stock even though you think it's macho.
So OK you want to speak defiantly to get at the Brits and the Islanders.
But what exactly have you got from it?
Your country tells us it will arrest and put in prison any person working for the oil industries that are exploring round the Falklands.
If it makes you happy being so macho, fine ,but it makes you a laughing stock because no one that worked on the oil rigs has been arrested.
@53 MagnusMaster,
Aug 16th, 2015 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for admitting that S.G. & the S.S.I. are not Argentine.
l think that you are the first Argentine to say this.
Antarctica, of course will belong to the first nation or nations who are actually able to hold it against all comers.
When nations can get to the resources underneath the ice, there is going to be an almighty struggle.
@54 HansNiesund,
Think posted that picture(at least l think that it was him/her)on here in the past.
Then pointed out that the first child born on South Georgia(British territory)to Norwegian parents(in the early 1900s), when an adult became an Argentine citizen.
And that was “irrefutable”, “unquestionable” proof that S.G. belonged to Argentina! The cheek & stupidity of the man.
When an adult, the woman lived in Norway, her parent's home.
So, going on malvinista logic, maybe S.G. belongs to Norway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even though as a baby, the child was registered as a British citizen(l think).
isolda
Aug 17th, 2015 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0stop talking nonsense my dear gorgeous but not too bright isolda.
you are getting a bit annoying and boooooring.
now go back to your room.
hurry up.
@55 MagnusMaster
Aug 17th, 2015 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, the NativeAmerindians didn't 'bend over', they were butchered by your ancestors. You are not to blame for that. But you are to blame for your desire to do the exact same thing to the people of the Falkland Islands.
No one is asking you to 'bend over'. That's all in your mind. Just like your erroneous claim to the Falkland Islands.
IF you have a VALID claim then I suggest you get your government to stop wasting your tax money on useless ventures, like putting adverts in papers, and take it to the ONLY, repeat ONLY body in the world that can ORDER a change of sovereignty - the International Courts of Justice.
Your government embarrasses Argentina by crawling, crying, begging and BENDING OVER to any petty dictatorship that will say a few supportive words. Just like they BENT OVER to Iran, and allowed the Iranians to give Argentina a really good butt f*cking.
Having the guts to admit when you are wrong is a manly act. Attempting to steal someone else's land and murder them all is NOT a manly act it's the act of a coward.
Perhaps you should spend less time worrying about perceived slights to your pride (remember that pride is one of the 7 deadly sins), and spend more time sorting out the problems in your own country which are numerous.
Argentina has BIG problems, ALL of them self inflicted. Until you clean up your act you will be considered a joke.
And look at it this way. Argentina has vast natural resources. In 1908 it was on par, or even richer, than the USA. What happened? The USA went on to become the most powerful and richest country on the planet, and Argentina disappeared into the mire of corruption.
Yet Argentina COULD be one of the most successful countries on the planet. The only thing stopping you achieving this success is the people of Argentina itself. People who turn a blind eye to corruption, or are corrupt themselves.
If Argentina was a successful country, the people of the Falklands might have willingly joined you.
@60paul-stupid-cedron,
Aug 17th, 2015 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shut your stupid illiterate pie-hole & take in the intelligent posting of LEPRecon at #61 above.
pc, you have the thinking power of a retarded goldfish.
Well at least you make the other malvinistas look good.
62
Aug 17th, 2015 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leave him be, Isolde. He's definitely not quite right in the head.
On the subject of Gibraltar, it’s time Spain gave Ceuta and Melilla back to their rightful owner, Morocco. Everyone in North Africa knows the corrupt authorities in these two colonial enclaves use them as smugglers’ transit points for contraband and drug dealers’ conduits for their poisons into Europe. They are a threat to the whole of Europe and prove the sheer hypocrisy of the Madrid regime in its manufactured outrage over Gibraltar.
@61 “Firstly, the NativeAmerindians didn't 'bend over', they were butchered by your ancestors. You are not to blame for that. But you are to blame for your desire to do the exact same thing to the people of the Falkland Islands.”
Aug 18th, 2015 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Amerindians that survived bent over, that's why they survived. Though I don't approve of the way they are treated now.
“IF you have a VALID claim then I suggest you get your government to stop wasting your tax money on useless ventures, like putting adverts in papers, and take it to the ONLY, repeat ONLY body in the world that can ORDER a change of sovereignty - the International Courts of Justice.
Your government embarrasses Argentina by crawling, crying, begging and BENDING OVER to any petty dictatorship that will say a few supportive words. Just like they BENT OVER to Iran, and allowed the Iranians to give Argentina a really good butt f*cking.”
We will only go to the ICJ once we are certain we will get the result we want. I agree our government should stop wasting money on useless ventures but rather investing in our army.
Iran had nothing to do with Malvinas/Falklands and you know it. It was all about trying to get cheap oil.
“Having the guts to admit when you are wrong is a manly act. Attempting to steal someone else's land and murder them all is NOT a manly act it's the act of a coward.”
Cowards are the people who hand over land (what you call admitting you are wrong) to strong nations.
I am all for sorting out the problems in my country but part of being successful is kicking the asses of other powerful countries and teaching them not to mess with you so that they respect you, or at least fear you if they do not respect you.
It is an old mindset but it is closer to human nature.
And I am not religious. I don't think pride is a sin. It is the difference between the strong and the weak. People without pride are cowards with no spine.
@64 MagnusMaster,
Aug 18th, 2015 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you will-“only go to the ICJ when we are certain we will get the result that we want”
You will be waiting a looooooong, looooooong time.
Argentina hasn't got that much time.
So l take it that if the ICJ ruling goes against you, then you will not accept it?
So its your way or no way?
How arrogant.
How unbelievably arrogant.
lt doesn't matter then to you, that the people here are up to 9 generations.
Long before Argentina even existed.
They have the right, not you bunch of johnny-come-latelys.
No, we do not respect you.
Respect is earned & you have not earned even a small piece.
Tough bananas for you.
@64 MagnusMaster
Aug 18th, 2015 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We will only go to the ICJ once we are certain we will get the result we want.”
But IF your claim is valid and solid, why wait? Surely you should get the result you want?
International law isn't going to change any time soon. The right to self determination over rules anything that Argentina can argue, hence why you WON'T go to the ICJ.
Every year that passes by strengthens the Falkland Islanders rights and weakens Argentina's claims.
Waiting won't do you any good. I know that Argentina is hoping for a day when you can fill the ICJ with corrupt officials that you can bribe, but that ISN'T how most country's work.
If you have a valid LEGAL claim then you wouldn't have to wait, and you wouldn't have to bribe corrupt officials, the truth would be there for all to see.
And THAT is why you can never win.
”Cowards are the people who hand over land (what you call admitting you are wrong) to strong nations.”
What land are the British asking you to hand over? The British ALREADY have sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. It is Argentina that is DEMANDING that the British hand over land regardless of the wishes of the people who live there.
And to give in to Argentina's demands and leave the people of the Falklands at the mercy of a country that wants to take away their land, their language, their culture, their money, their resources and their FREEDOM would the the act of a coward.
But the British AREN'T cowards. The British are willing to stand, fight and if necessary die to protect the people of the Falklands from Argentina's Imperialist Colonial AMBITIONS.
Just like we are willing to do so for the people of Gibraltar.
You are confusing successful and powerful. You don't necessarily need one to be the other. You have to earn respect. Your thinking is very 19th century, which is no doubt why you want to steal land that isn't yours.
Pride comes before a fall. Remember that big fall Argentina had on 12 June 1982. Still smarts, doesn't it?
'We will only go to the ICJ once we are certain we will get the result we want.' And with that one sentence MagnusMaster, you have blown any legitimacy you may have had in this forum.
Aug 18th, 2015 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0So is that when you have enough of your old boys club in the ICJ or maybe when you have re-written the history books, or maybe it's when your government has saved enough US $ to bribe the judges. All of those things will take a lot of time especially the last one. Buffoon.
@67:
Aug 18th, 2015 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And with that one sentence MagnusMaster, you have blown any legitimacy you may have had in this forum.”
Really? I thought it went out with his remarks @36:
“And if we have to take land and murder people to get people to stop laughing at us...then so be it.”
At least he's honest - he would rather make another attempt at illegally invading British territory and murder the legitimate inhabitants there than accept a fair, peaceful solution.
Mainly because none of the fair, peaceful solutions end with Argentina obtaining sovereignty over the Falklands.
@65 “lt doesn't matter then to you, that the people here are up to 9 generations.
Aug 18th, 2015 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long before Argentina even existed.”
All that matters is you trying to be the master race.
@66 “What land are the British asking you to hand over? The British ALREADY have sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. It is Argentina that is DEMANDING that the British hand over land regardless of the wishes of the people who live there.”
You have sovereignty but you want us to be fine with it and accept your superiority, just like the Indians bent over and are fine with us taking their land.
Not gonna happen.
“You are confusing successful and powerful. You don't necessarily need one to be the other. You have to earn respect. Your thinking is very 19th century, which is no doubt why you want to steal land that isn't yours.”
19th Century thinking is sure better than the 21st century thinking of bending over to the Anglo-Saxon master race. When you stop pretending to be holier than thou, and trying to get the entire world to bend over to you, and stop dividing people in nations and races, then it's time to move on.
@69 .....just like the Indians bent over and are fine with us taking their land....except the islanders never took your land so it's not the same is it. But don't let a little truth get in the way of your inferiority complex.
Aug 18th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69 MagnusMaster
Aug 18th, 2015 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm beginning to realise that YOU have a HUGE inferiority complex.
There is no such thing as the master race. That's all in YOUR mind. The British aren't acting superior to Argentina or anyone else, BUT we have taken the MORAL high ground.
You see in order to hold the moral high ground you have to be on the side of the law, and of decency.
You are also completely deluded. The “Anglo-Saxons” didn't divide people up into nations and races, that happened millennia BEFORE the Anglo-Saxons existed. Prior to nation states there were city states, such as Rome, Babylon, Athens and so on and so forth.
And it was nature that created the different races by evolution.
People like you are deluded. You talk about one world, one government. But in order to have one government you need first to have one law that applies to everyone. We currently use the UN Charter (that's the International Law that stops Argentina from being able to steal other people's land). But Argentina is forever refusing to abide by any law or decision that doesn't fit into it's own interests.
So it is country's like Argentina that prevent your Utopia.
But we know that you mean one world under your socialist jackboot.
Well that's never gonna happen either due to the fact that socialism fails because it doesn't take into account human nature. And that is something no amount of political ideology can overcome.
Just look at tha most corrupt nations on Earth. Those that aren't socialist are communist dictatorships.
And your last line shows your monumental hypocrisy, since it is YOU that has done that. It's your ancestors that committed genocide and it is YOU that continues to segregate the Native Amerindians, steal what little land they have left, destroy their culture, and allow their children to starve to death. Just like you want to do to the people of the Falklands.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
@71 “There is no such thing as the master race. That's all in YOUR mind. The British aren't acting superior to Argentina or anyone else, BUT we have taken the MORAL high ground.”
Aug 18th, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Taking the moral high ground is one way of pretending you are superior: moral superiority in this case. And you can't say there is no such thing as a master race when you love that Argentina is dirt poor while you Anglo-Saxons rule the world. That is what most of you Americans and British, including you, write in every single one of your posts.
“You are also completely deluded. The “Anglo-Saxons” didn't divide people up into nations and races, that happened millennia BEFORE the Anglo-Saxons existed. Prior to nation states there were city states, such as Rome, Babylon, Athens and so on and so forth.
And it was nature that created the different races by evolution.”
You continue judging people by state or race and love to keep Latinos and Blacks as inferior races.
I would be fine with the UN charter if all nations could take part in making international law (not just the powerful ones), if authorities were democratically elected by the whole world, if most of the armed forces of the UN Security Council was transferred into the UN itself, and if some of the wealth of the wealthier countries is shared with the poorer ones.
Yes, it may be Socialism but even if the whole world was dirt poor we wouldn't have people with master races or nations being on top on one another, and therefore no Nationalism or Racism.
“ But Argentina is forever refusing to abide by any law or decision that doesn't fit into it's own interests.”
Every sane nation supports its own interests first, even when they pretend to abide by law. If you don't like that, then ask for a single world gov't
As I said, I am not OK with the way the Native Amerindians are treated now. But when it comes to the Malvinas/Falklands, it is us who are asked to bend over to you. We are only interested in land, not in being cruel just for fun.
'But when it comes to the Malvinas/Falklands, it is us who are asked to bend over to you. We are only interested in land, not in being cruel just for fun.'
Aug 18th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Magnus, you are in for a lifetime of disappointment, you will not get the Falklands just because you feel some imaginary slight and can't get your own way. If you can prove the Islands were yours, you would go to the ICJ, but as you said, you will only do that when you know the decision will go your way. It is therefore all in your heads, you feel emasculated by your own government not by the Islanders.
You will just have to learn to live with feeling like a failure because having a tantrum and screaming 'it's mine, it's mine' is not going to get you any where in the grown up world.
@72
Aug 18th, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was you that talked about one world, one government, not me. I was just pointing out why it won't work. It's because countries, like Argentina, refuse to follow the rule of law.
Here is an example. In 1982 Argentina refused to follow a legally binding UNSC resolution to remove its troops from the Falklands. The invasion and occupation of the Falkland Islands by Argentina was deemed an illegal act. In other words Argentina BROKE International law.
The UK, on the other hand, made every effort to find a peaceful solution, but because Argentina broke, and continued to break, International law, the UK was legally allowed to remove you by force. Which is what happened.
“You continue judging people by state or race and love to keep Latinos and Blacks as inferior races.”
I don't, nor does the UK. It's people like YOU that divide. Tell me MagnusMaster, just what DID happen to all the African slaves that Argentina held in captivity? I mean at one point there were nearly as many black slaves in Argentina as there was in Brazil. So logically the ethnic make up of Argentina should be similar. But it isn't.
Why? Well we all know the answer to that. It's because of Argentina's whitening policy. It is Argentina that has a history of persecuting black people, and brown people into extinction, not the UK.
Your last paragraph completely contradicts what you've posted before. It was YOU that mentioned one world government. But in order to do that ALL countries would have to abide by international law, even when it wasn't in their own best interests.
It really has been quite amusing watching you squirm, your own self loathing and inferiority complex is making you believe things that aren't true. There is no master race, only Nazi's and you believe that, and the Nazi's believed it was them. You believe it is the British. That is YOU believe it . No one else, and certainly not the British, believe that.
So what does that tell EVERYONE about YOU?
RT @NavyLookout: Sickening. #Corbyn says we should hand Falklands to Argentina against the wishes of all living in the islands
Aug 18th, 2015 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://t.co/ZWyewTwXWB,
56 mins ago
although this was 2 years ago, and abt Argentina and the Falkland's,
watching the interview Mr corbyn give the impression that some kind of deal/dialog has been done between Gibraltar and Spain, and thus may be applied to the Falkland's,
I hope listened correctly..
it seems Mr corbyn will give away everything the rest have left...
@74
Aug 18th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It really has been quite amusing watching you squirm, your own self loathing and inferiority complex is making you believe things that aren't true. There is no master race, only Nazi's and you believe that, and the Nazi's believed it was them. You believe it is the British. That is YOU believe it . No one else, and certainly not the British, believe that.
So what does that tell EVERYONE about YOU?”
You are the one who like bragging about the British's superiority in military, economic or moral terms. You do that in every post. So don't go around and say it isn't true. All over the Internet I see people like you from the USA and the UK bragging about their superiority. So don't dare say it isn't true.
The UK doesn't wipe out entire people, but they denigrate them by letting them live and enforcing their superiority. Just because you treat your pets well does not mean you don't treat us like pets.
You say you don't believe you are the master race, but you certainly want like to feel being superior to other people, that's apparent in every single post you make. Stop talking about history and be responsible for what you personally post.
“It was YOU that mentioned one world government. But in order to do that ALL countries would have to abide by international law, even when it wasn't in their own best interests.”
I did mention one world government but that is because the UN as it currently is isn't a proper world government. It is a way for powerful countries to impose their will to weaker ones. That's why we still have nations.
If the UN was a proper world government, the UN charter would not have human rights or self-determination, for example. It would have principles EVERYONE, including us, would be willing to abide. That or nations as we know it would cease to exist, and there would be one single global nation.
But to have nations AND international “law” written by the powerful countries, is an abomination.
RT @NavyLookout: Sickening. #Corbyn says we should hand Falklands to Argentina against the wishes of all living in the islands
Aug 18th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://t.co/ZWyewTwXWB,
56 mins ago
https://t.co/ZWyewTwXWB,
go through defence synergy.
sorry
@ MagnusMaster,
Aug 18th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, well.
We do have it bad, don't we.
Almost as self-pitying as Nostrils.
lts all in your head, matey.
Mostly we don't even think about you.
But if you want to feel persecuted by the “Anglo-Saxons”, then go right ahead.
Actually in your own personal case, you are correct.
You should feel inferior because by your ramblings on here you are proving that you ARE inferior.
Poor, poor little Magnus,
(violin strains in the background)
And you still will NOT get the Falklands for all your crying & wringing of hands & gnashing of teeth.
Loser.
@76
Aug 18th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bragging? That's I your head too.
The UN was NEVER created to be a world government. It was designed to be a talking shop, in the hope that it would prevent wars.
The UNGA has NO POWER no enforce anything on anybody. That is the job of the UNSC. And enforcing anything on anybody against their will is a difficult task. You can either put sanctions on them, and hope it damages them economically, or you can try to enforce the will of the UNSC by force, which means people will end up dying.
The only other part of the UN that has any power is the International Courts of Justice. But even they cannot enforce a ruling on any country. Argentina being a case in point, having disregarded numerous rulings against you.
The International Law was written by the 47 founding members of the UN, one of whom was Argentina.
In other words YOUR country helped write International law, and it was democratically voted upon by every member state of the UN, and passed into law.
You can turn around years later and cry about it, because you want to breech that law for your own personal gain, by stealing land and murdering the people that live there.
You really need to learn some history, MagnusMaster, because you are now becoming pitiful. It's almost painful to watch you floundering around.
And as I keep saying you can't have a proper world government unless everyone agrees to follow the rules and the law.
Argentina isn't renowned for following international law when it doesn't suit them. Having a world government means that there would have to be compromise. And Argentina isn't big on compromise as you think it isn't manly because you'd have to BEND OVER. In your twisted mind you can only be manly if you are stealing and murdering.
So once again, the reason we don't have a world government is because of people like YOU.
Psst! It really is all in your head. The fact that you perceive yourself as inferior makes you so, like a self fulfilling prophecy.
@79 It is laughable how you think it is all in my head. Do you even read your posts? They all say “we are better in every way than you, bend over you brute inferior barbarians”. It's not explicit but it's implicit, and it's in there every time you brag about your country and mock our country.
Aug 19th, 2015 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We would love to compromise if people didn't judge people by nationality or race, and didn't feel pride for their nation, if there was no Nationalism or Racism and people respected people that bend over. But that isn't the case, and it is because of people like YOU.
We don't follow international law unless it suits us because we know that people still gang up in nations that only care about their best interests and denigrate and exploit other nations. When people move over the stone-age mentality of denigrating nations, races and people and respect compromise instead of bragging about how their nation conquered the whole world then we can talk about compromising and following the law rather than our interests.
@80 MagnusMaster
Aug 19th, 2015 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please show one example where I have stated that “we are better in every way than you, bend over you brute inferior barbarians” or even words to that effect.
If you can't give an ACTUAL account in an actual post then it really is all in your head.
Oh, and for your information nations compromise ALL the time. It's called diplomacy. It doesn't show weakness it shows strength. Argentina's idea of compromise is to DEMAND things of other people.
Since when I have bragged that my nation conquered the whole world? Again please show this with an actual link to and actual post of mine. If not you've just made it up. The British didn't conquer the whole world. It did have the largest Empire the world has ever known, but it was only slightly larger than the Spanish Empire at its height, or the Ottoman Empire. Or even the Austrio-Hungarian Empire. Even the French Empire was pretty massive.
The only people I've seen on here denigrating nations are those we dub: Malvinistas.
You're one of them. Always, with a sweeping statement, blaming the 'Anglos' for all your ills. You've even done it on this thread.
You're the one what stated at post 36: “And if we have to take land and murder people to get people to stop laughing at us and respecting us as human beings.”
In other words you stated that you would happily murder people and steal from them because you believe that will cause people to respect you. Is that the same kind of respect the Nazi's got? Or the Kamar Rouge? Is that the same kind of 'respect' North Korea gets?
And you won't compromise. You are the person who is constantly referring to race. You are the one who judges others. You are the one that wants to steal the Falklands and murder the inhabitants BECAUSE they are, as you say 'Anglos'.
You really need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. You don't come across as a nice person. In fact right now you don't even come across as a sane person.
You really are one deluded person.
@81 when people stop being nationalist and racist and stop denigrating us Argentineans then I can start being nice.
Aug 19th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you think malvinistas are the only ones denigrating people here you need to get your head checked.
@82
Aug 19th, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you can't produce any evidence that I said any of that rubbish you accused me of.
As I said it's all in your head.
meanwhile back on British Gibraltar,
Aug 19th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IS THIS A THREAT??
MARGALLO TALKS TOUGH ON GIB
Spain’s Foreign Minister, José Manuel García-Margallo, signalled continued pressure on Gibraltar yesterday, repeating an earlier warning that “the party is over” for the Rock
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=36384
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R&D Contract Boosts Spain's New F-110 Frigates
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=36384
The Spanish government has given the green light to its new generation of frigates
F-110 frigates will replace the six Santa María-class frigates (F-80) of the Spanish Navy from 2022 until 2030. the plan is to build five new frigates. This will be the major Spanish Navy military program in the next decade together with the construction of the S-80 class submarine—
Or are they , like CFK just dreaming….
On the other hand,
What The Astute-Class Brings To The Royal Navy
HMS Artful has arrived at her home port, HMNB Clyde, for the first time.
The Royal Navy’s newest hunter-killer submarine
They're the world's most advanced hunter-killer submarines
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=36384
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@82 MagnusMaster,
Aug 19th, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh do shut up, Magnus-slave.
You are becoming awfully tiresome & boring.
You ARE inferior. Your ridiculous posts prove that you are indeed, inferior to sane people everywhere.
Feel better now?
You have been recognised as “inferior” by this half-Anglo person.
Does that make you “half-inferior”? lol!
Fruitcake.
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