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Pope Francis quashes any attempt to foster Falklands/Malvinas dialogue

Thursday, August 20th 2015 - 07:30 UTC
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Pope Francis was sucked into Argentina's dispute with Britain over the Falkland Islands after an activist thrust a sign in his hands calling for dialogue between the two countries and President Cristina Fernandez jumped on the opportunity to rekindle the fight. Read full article

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  • Phil H

    Every morning my day is made by the increasingly desperate behaviour of the Malvinutts , with their pathetic stunts. They are so blinkered even they do not realise how ridiculous they look to the rest of the world. So funny.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FI_Frost

    Gypsy pickpockets -posing as beggars - are notorious in Rome for swamping around tourists. Looks like even the Pope is not safe and has just got mugged.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    Typical Argentina, using spies to entrap the pope in order to try make it look like he supports them. Yet are we brits (includes the islanders) the slightest bit bothered if he did support them? Nope! But then perhaps Argentina forgot that the UK isn't a catholic nation, and we actually have fought wars against the Catholic church who used their proxy French and Spanish armies - ohh and we won too. So much for the Pope being appointed by God, as clearly god was not on the popes side!

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I saw this yesterday. CFK was celebrating it; the woman has no shame.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I guess CFK has no further meetings planned before the end of her presidency. I imagine Francis would be very unhappy being used in this way.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • commonsense

    Desperation beyond belief. How embarrassed will the pope be when he reads the BA Herald, which claims he supports the looney tunes in his home country, and tries to intimate that he took part in this stunt willingly.
    When will Cretina, TMBOA, realise that she is even managing to get the catholic church laughing at her despite having an Argentinian pope. The economy has gone to ratshit, her new “buddies” in china and russia are in economic slowdown, and with stunts like this even God, if he exists, is getting pissed off with her. Cheers my day up no end to read about her stupidity.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @6 Worse than that, she has managed to get the Pope's spokesman the confirm the Pope is not supporting her claim. Massive backfire.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • commonsense

    just a normal day in her strange and twisted world!

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    BUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Cristina is shameless. How desperate is she, to appropriate a spiritual leader in her pathetic political shenanigans?
    Glad to see it backfired.
    That part probably won't be reported in Argentina tho...

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Andy65

    Dear Crissy

    Possession is nine-tenths of the law ownership is easier to maintain if one has possession of something, or difficult to enforce if one does not

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    2065 XX FROM 1965 is long dead. RIP:
    https://www.academia.edu/10573354/UNGA_2065_XX_Question_of_The_Falkland_Islands_16_Dec_1965

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Great to see.
    lt stirs up the stupid malvinistas, gets a bit of hope bubbling along, within them, then casts them down.
    Like the highs & lows of a heroin junkie.
    Well, they do have an addiction. lol!

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Quite a fun thread below a similar article in The Guardian today .

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Student of History

    This is now getting very sad, and obliviously aimed at the South American Media as was shown yesterday and to day, the vast majority of reports were as the propaganda machine wanted and stated Papal support however very few have printed the up date from the Vatican clarification.
    The Pope may have personal views which he was happy to state in the past but now he has the guidance of some very experienced politicians and scholars who have counselled that a national desire is not necessarily based on Fact and in his new role he has to be HONEST or SILENT.
    The fact he does remain silent and does not re state his previous comments should to the honest people say that on advice and counselling he can not honestly say the Falkland Islanders are Pirates or that they do not qualify for the right to self determination.
    Unfortunately this dose not fit into the sound bits the media loves and the Mob only seem to hear...
    #12 thanks for the referencing it's nice to have some sound well rounded factual information

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    This pope-dude is a sad joke. He is nothing but a peronist whose main goal is to support CFK and her pals, as well as to fuel any crazy dream south-american lefties have. Funny, before this pope-dude was elected everybody here thought that the vatican was a filthy hole crowded with pedophiles, and run with mafia money. after bergoglio´s election every single retarded here changed its mood and started praising him as a god-given savior, as well as trying to please the roman church in every crazy demand they have.

    The roman catholic church is again showing how pointless its existence is. It makes you long for a good-n-old viking ride against them ;)

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Somebody should hand The Dope of a Pope a set, heavy spring type rat-trap and see what he does with that.

    Two broken fingers will see him take more care with what people 'give' him.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self-Determination

    This amounts to nothing and only shows yet another desperate trick to somehow validate argentinas bullshit claim by her paid crones on an unsuspecting old age pensioner......i bet he feels so proud to be argenslime

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    As a freemason I don't like either the Pope or the Catholic Church.
    In addition, I hate CFK and the fascist/peronists.

    But I must admit that the Pope had offered his influence to reach an agreement over the islands to both governments.

    I just read the message “It is time for dialogue between Argentina and the UK”.....Are you offended becuase of this? Does the word “dialogue” make you feel unconfortable?

    It is quite clear that some islandres, some british, some chileans and some peronists want an enemy...you need an enemy that help you in yoor domestic issues.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Evil Colonialist Pirate

    If the Islanders are squatters then so are the Argies. They should give back the lands they stole from the native Indians and go back to Italy/Spain/Wales or wherever else they came from.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    Islanders are not squaters.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    @19

    Please answer the following question

    What, exactly, would Argentina bring to the negotiating table seeing as their claim to the FI is enshrined in their constitution? Remember it takes more than one party to 'negotiate' and it seems that

    a) Argentina won't sit at a table with the only people that matter i.e. the Falkland Islanders themselves
    b) Argentina assumes that the outcome from any such negotiations would be entirely favourable to Argentina

    How can that be a basis for 'negotiations'

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @19 “I just read the message “It is time for dialogue between Argentina and the UK”.....Are you offended becuase of this? Does the word “dialogue” make you feel unconfortable? ”

    You know this is not the reason. It was the shameless antic by an activist to misleadingly claim the Pope was supporting Argentina and almost immediately the photo was tweeted by CFK. Fortunately this backfired in making the Pope's office deny emphatically that he is supporting Argentina's claim. Massive fail by CFK.

    Dialogue? Timmerman failed to turn up to the discussions. You see, CFK and her gang don't want the Falkland Islands, they want the 'grievance'.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @22

    I don't speak or write representing Argentina but my own ideas that, believe me, are shared by a large portion of argentine people.

    a) Argentina will have to sit at a table with the UK authorities. They are the ones that represent the islanders internationally. Are you afraid of being represented by the British Ambassador? Or by the British foreign affairs minister?

    b) If it is a negotiation both sides (or all the sides) will have to cede part of their interests, desires, rights and benefits.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • commonsense

    @24
    Why would The Falklanders or Great Britain cede anything to Argentina? Just because the Argentinians claim the Falklands does not actually mean they have any legitimate claim/rights to our islands. If they were so sure of their position why invade in the first place then try to isolate the islands, why not just take the claim to the ICJ?

    I feel you are probably an Argie troll trying to play a little nicer than your fellow argies, good try but no biscuit. The Falklands will remain an OT of Great Britain as long as they wish too and there is nothing you or the Argentinian Government can do to alter that.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @24

    I don't know why the argentine government doesn't go to the ICJ. I don't know either why the British government doesn't go to the ICJ for the alleged “isolation” imposed by Argentina. If you are right, the ICJ will support the islanders position since that isolating a civil population is against the international law.

    Don't blame on me of being a troll if you are afraid of a dialogue between the UK and Argentina.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    I remember pgerman as a particularly nasty piece of work, what a change? Has this troll identity got a new operator? Has it suddenly occured to the RGs to successfully achieve their objective they need to woo the Islanders instead of flinging insults brickbats, intimidation, invasion, blockade and burning tyres?

    If so, it wont work, not ever. Dumbkopfs!

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @24 Your assertion at b) is entirely wrong. Your comment at a) seems to omit the fact that the UK arranged to meet with Timerman and FIG in London when he was there and he was too afraid to attend.

    You seem to be unaware that this whole gripe is merely a manipulation tool by your government. They are afraid.

    Have you spoken with the large portion of Argentines who think exactly as you do?

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 24

    Definitively, Argentina and the UK should sit together at a table. And Argentina should say `sorry´and `no more claims from us´, and that´s how this should end once for all.
    /

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • commonsense

    @26

    Your bunch of thieves wont go to the ICJ because they know they will lose. The UK government does not need to go to the ICJ, all your attempts to isolate The Falklands have failed and are merely an irritant. Once they become more than that them we have other means to deal with bullies.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @30

    Ok, that's excellent so don't complain about Argentine attitudes any longer.

    Don't complain about no additional charters to the FI, don't complain about the lack of colaboration in the fisheries, about argentina laws against oil drilling, about banning UK flagged ships in argentine docks, etc.

    Please, contact FI authorities, the British Embassy and the UK Prime Minister so they also stop complaining.

    In addition, don't worry about a stupid poster and Pope offering himself as a mediator. Everything is going to be as it is nowadays for ever.....

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    @24

    Personally I'm not afraid of anything not being a Falkland Islander nor British but the reality is that the Falkland Islanders must be allowed to speak for themselves as a separate delegation THIS is what Argentina is scared of as they demonstrated in London in 2013.

    Also you make my point for me in as much as you are unable to even suggest what Argentina might bring to the negotiating table - remember they are the ones asking for a meeting; they cannot just walk in, sit down and say 'sign here'.
    What has Argentina got to offer the Falkland islanders; nothing it seems other than insults and ethnic cleansing.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Isn't it nice to hear that “the South American nation isn't a threat to Britain or the Falklands”. But then we know that. Always worth considering those nuclear-powered submarines prowling about. Thirty cruise missiles per boat. Here is an inaccurate statement “London has argued that any dialogue with Argentina over the Falklands must have the consent from the Islanders”. London doesn't “argue”, it states. It's amazing how argies manage to believe such rubbish put out by their “government”. UN General Assembly resolution 2065 is irrelevant. Such resolutions are non-binding. Britain has no more need to concern itself than it needs to consider whether it's raining on the morning it decides to launch the ICBM. Not only that but 1982 saw a major change in the overall circumstances. Nothing that took place before 14 June 1982 has any relevance. The “slate” was wiped clean. A new slate was started with the Falkland Islands being British. There is NO valid argie claim. As “Evil Colonialist Pirate” points out, what are argies if not squatters? Indeed, unlike Falkland Islanders, argies are murdering, genocidal squatters. Not in the past. Because they continue to commit murder and genocide now in the 21st century.
    @19. There is no need for dialogue or an agreement. The Islands are British. Even without the incontrovertible evidence that the Islands have been British since 1690, it is a FACT that the Islands are now British. But typical latam/argie attitude, started a war and lost. So it doesn't count. Except that, legally and factually, it does count. Here's a sort of analogy. Calais, in northern France, belonged to England until 1558. Does the UK continually demand Calais back? On and off, Minorca belonged to Britain for close on a hundred years. Is the UK demanding it back? If the UK used the same modus operandi as argieland, it could claim half the world. But we've grown up. Argies haven't. Think the combination of French, Italian, Spanish imperialism, and nazi dictators.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    ““The Holy Father did not even . . .”

    The Holy Father is in heaven.

    popesy got burnt - or didn't like the reaction - so he crawfished. Either way - it's humorous and it give the kelpers a little something to giggle about today.

    As for the veiled threats - they're going to have to get some more reliable transport before they pose a significant threat to anyone other than their own storm {laugh} troopers.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “”“I remember pgerman as a particularly nasty piece of work, what a change? ”“”

    He isnt a troll and invariably takes a moderate position...so your memory needs adjusting.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CKurze30k

    “Argentina rejects point blank such an option arguing that residents in the Falklands are an implanted population, 'don't exist as such' and in Cristina Fernandez words are 'squatters'.”

    Which violates the Eighth Commandment.

    @29:

    Ah, but that would be a *fair* and reasonable outcome. Naturally, Argentina doesn't want that to happen.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    As a Catholic I am disappointed that the Holy Father has, again, been brought into the dispute engendered by Argentina. I am suspicious of his motives specially in view of his supporting words at a mass about a year before he was elected Pope.

    We must just wait and see! I wish that he, personally, would make a statement denying his involvement in any shape or form.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @31 pgerman

    > Ok, that's excellent so don't complain about Argentine attitudes any longer.

    Why ever not? If they're petulant and infantile what's the problem with saying so?

    @35

    my friend pgerman isn't quite the average Malvinista, but he has an over-developed sense of victimhood.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    31 we are not obliged to do anything. We wish to have friendly relations with everyone around the globe. Argentina continually tries to intimidate the tiny population of our Falkand Islands and needle the UK government. It leads nowhere and is entirely pointless but it has been happening since WWII so we just ignore it and give out stock answers. RGland is the looser and what we loose is irrelavent to us. Go away. The Pope has to toe the Vaticans non political line while he is Pope which he wont be much longer now retirement has become an option. When he retires no doubt he will revert to the standard loosing RG refrain which he repeated mindlessly when he was a cardinal.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @35 Anbar

    Actually he is nasty troll. He's just more eloquent than some of the others on here.

    He would happily see all of the Falklanders dead if it got Argentina the islands.

    He has stated in the past that the killing of the Native Amerindians wasn't genocide because and I quote “only a few thousand were killed”, and was justified because “they attacked 1st” and “they were from Chile not Argentina”.

    Apparently he can't understand that if you kill a few thousand people of a tribe that only has a few thousand people that's genocide. He can't understand that the deliberate destruction of the culture of a people is also genocide.

    And he can't understand that the Native Amerindians didn't have borders and were nomadic, so wandered to and fro between the land that is now called Chile and Argentina.

    He REALLY is a troll. And a nasty piece of work.

    He's also a hypocrite because he claims he lives in Canada, so it is unlikely that he would know what the people of Argentina truly think and believe.

    As to the article itself I'm not surprised that the malvinistas have pulled this stunt. They were probably paid for by CFK.

    But to have the Vatican publicly state that they DON'T support Argentina's false claims will be like a kick in the b@lls for our malvinista nutters.

    Apparently the whole world doesn't support them.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    LEPR, thats the way I remember it too. Pgerman is a bit of Nazi actually, of course safely ensconsed in a Commonwealth country he can say what he likes unlike in RGland where you could easily get the Nisman treatment for opposing the party line. River Plate flights=the gas chambers.
    Mavinistas like him can twist turn wriggle and cheat but its hard to fool the British. Once bitten twice shy.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Unfortunately, MP reprinted a slanted Bloomberg story about what happened during presentation of a sign saying “It's time for dialogue between the U.K. and Argentina on Malvinas.”
    As conveyed by other media, Pope Francisco did take the sign, held it and smiled while photos--omitted by most media--were taken.
    The photo was published at:
    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-279737-2015-08-20.html
    It is difficult to imagine why the British government would be afraid to have a conversation on the disputed territories, but an article in the Buenos Aires Herald gives a hint on potential reasons:
    ”'The British Conservative Party’s largest campaign donor is also the largest shareholder in the Falkland Islands Holdings (FIH), which owns half of the Malvinas Islands real estate and controls most of its economic activity' according to a book that will be presented today at the Ministry.”
    The story can be found at:
    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-279737-2015-08-20.html

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @41 & 42

    I'm more than surpreise to read the comments that the word “dialogue” trigers on both of you.....

    In addition, I don't see you quite solid in argentine history. Just repeating like parrots the “revisionista” version of the history. That is the fascist catholic version of it. Surprise to see how you, confused, repeats this version of history.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @43

    How odd. Because Bloomberg only reports what the Vatican spokesman said. Was he lying, or misrepresenting the Pope, or is the more plausible explanation that the Holy Father fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book?

    Muchos intentan tocar al papa, le piden que bendiga objetos religiosos o le entregan al papa fotos familiares, regalos, etc. En la audiencia de ayer, al papa le entregaron un cartel pequeño y él no tenía idea de qué se trataba. Le tomaron una foto y fue enviada a las redes sociales por muchas personas, entre ellas autoridades del gobierno argentino. El Santo Padre no sabía de qué contenía el pequeño letrero. Según un pronunciamiento de la Oficina de Prensa de la Santa Sede este miércoles en la tarde: El Santo Padre ni siquiera se dio cuenta que tenía este objeto en las manos. Apenas descubrió esto ahora después de ver la fotografía

    http://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2015/08/19/fotografian-al-papa-francisco-con-un-cartel-que-pide-el-dialogo-por-malvinas-o-falkland/#0

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ezekielman

    The fact the Pope would support Argentina's annexation of the Falklands should be no surprise. President Corruptina Kirchner has been nagging him to make some kind of gesture about this and finally he has acquiesced to her hectoring. But it doesn't change a thing. We can all rest assured that our kith and kin on the islands will remain free and independent of their cowardly, corrupt, bankrupt, failed state of a neighbour for as long as they wish.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    44 You really are a twat if you believe that one should consider ANY dialogue with a country that acts in the way the Argyland does. And just listen to tbe language of your pathetic President and her acolytes? Do you really believe that any leader in their right mind would want dialogue with people like that? Why? Whats the point in having dialogue with a bunch of agressive abusive morons who are seeking the destruction of your country?
    You dont fool anybody..

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    * * * * Please pass the popcorn. * * * *

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Buzzsaw

    pgerman....answer the question that was asked, 'what would Argentina bring to the negotiating table'...

    Enrique is right about the Pope holding the sign, there are pictures of him holding it. But all it does is reflect badly on the Vatican as they were quick to send out a statement denying he supported what was written on the sign. But funnily it hasn't made the BA Herald yet. They are still running with the Falkland Islanders twitter responses.

    But this BA Article is the best one...

    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/196867/govt-praises-popes-low-tone-but-strong-voice-in-malvinas-dialogue-message

    It appears they always count their chickens....

    Old little beaver face Annibal...'Today there is no country in the world that recognizes UK’s rights over Malvinas...' that always reminds me of the Life of Brian scene 'What have the Romans ever done for us......'

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @49

    Plenty of natural resources at large scale and a marked thirsty of foreign investment with privileged conditions might attrack the UK nowadays as it did in the past.

    The saving of money using Argentina proximity to the South Atlantic and the Antartic Continent as it was in the past.

    The UK recovery of political influence and leadership in the region as it was in the past.

    Ths conflic with some Muslims countries seems that will be from bad to worse in near future so Western countries will have to stand united to face the threat.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Buzzsaw

    'Plenty of natural resources at large scale',.....your government has crippled exports, why would it suddenly change.
    Why invest in a failing government and country.....the appropriates businesses as it desires.
    Chile seems to work fine for the SA and Antarctic.
    Political influence.....so Argentina is the leader of the gang and tells the others who they can deal with. Think the UK is doing fine on their own thanks.

    But the real discussion should be 'what can you offer the Islanders, what in it for them'.....

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @51

    You had asked my opinion and I gave it to you.

    The current government is leaving the Casa Rosada. It is finished...just a couple of months.

    Chile is in the Pacific Ocean and is limited in natural resources than Argentina. The UK lost completely its influence in the South Atlantic.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Buzzsaw

    OK so they are your opinions, but what about the Islanders, what is in it for them....

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 52 pgerman

    So why do you live in a commonwealth country that has HM Queen Elizabeth II as the Head of State?

    Hypocrite or coward or both?

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Pope Francis

    the twat who trusteed this paper in his hands, really insults not only the pope, and Argentina,
    but makes this Malvinas crap a standing joke and humiliation of CFK,
    just how desperate has she become when she or her supporters do this to the bloody pope,

    what an insult in front of the worlds press,

    Argentina, CFK has ruined your country, she is humiliating and shamming you all, and her few brainwashed supporters make you a laughing stock,

    do us a favour ,
    die of shame in the gutter instead of trying to drag your pope with you.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    52 The UK has no influence as far as RGland is concerned, but, its Chiles biggest market for wine and there are strong connections with the Chilean armed forces. In WWII RGland sided with the Nazis and it has never regained the friendship of Britain since then and with the current bunch of idiots running it it never will. It offers the UK and Falkland Islands nothing. As for the other SA nations many are openly hostile to the UK. We dont need SA in any way. Under the UKs stewardship our section of Antartica, S Georgia, the islands and the Falklands are all doing well, we dont need RGland.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Greek Prime Minister Tsipras says he's resigning, Great at telling people what they want to hear but hopeless when faced with running a country. Ring any bells?

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    52
    What influence did the UK have to lose in the first place.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    The pope did not know what was given to him. How absurd, do you think that if someone gave him a grenade he would not know what it was.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Malvinistas clutching at straws………
    Desperate, insecure people………
    Well, pgerman, answer the question.......what does Argentina bring to the negotiating table?
    Assuming that there will be a negotiating table.........
    lt will have to be very, very, very good.
    l should think the transfer to us of Sta Cruz province at the very least.
    Your move, Argentina.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    my dear lovely isolda
    “what does Argentina bring to the negotiating table?”

    nothing of course.
    you have been illegally occupying our territory for ages and for free.
    now it is time for you to return to little britain.
    and do not forget to pay the huuuuuuuge bill for the rent.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NFLD

    @49 Buzzsaw

    Annibal... “Today there is no country in the world that recognizes UK’s rights over Malvinas...”.

    How do people say such nonsense with a straight face?

    I wonder how pgerman & Enrique feel about their own Canadian government being completely unambiguous on the subject:

    John Baird
    “The issue of Canada’s policy does not change, we support the self-determination of the people of the Falkland Islands, as we do people everywhere around the world”.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/06/17/oas-declaration-in-support-of-malvinas-uk-argentina-talks-canada-disagreed

    Argentina needs a history lesson.

    You can't recover what was never yours.

    And even if grew-up drinking the Argentine kool aid and are thoroughly brainwasded in the malvinas myth, you should have the decency to conclude that you extinquished any imagined rightousness of your position back in April of 1982. Case closed.

    Maybe instead concentrate on fixing that mess of a country.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    61 Think/Pork Cedron/Voice/MacDonald cover blown peasant… Smarmy bastard.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @61 Think,
    You are illegally occupying native Amerindian territory--get out immediately.
    Go back to Spain, ltaly or wherever you came from(in your case, Sweden).
    Argentina brings nothing & they get nothing.
    Of course we won't speak with you, with an attitude like you have.
    You should be cut across the face with my riding crop, you arrogant creature.
    Dog.

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  • Trunce

    Was he a Dopey Popey, or did he revert to Genus?

    However, pleased to see that to atone for his sin - he has chosen to endure suffering.

    http://clip2net.com/s/3mq7OoS

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    2015 and the Pope is Argentinian and the Falklands are British.

    Only one of these will change in the near future.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    CFK should have tried her usual gimmick to get the Pope's support - ask for a private meeting then offer him a BJ.....It worked with the Chink prez, with Putin, with Castro, Dilma...oops sorry, not Dilma, although she is of an undefined sex, she probably hasn't grown something CFK could get down on.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Eight hours ago I asked the question 'what would Argentina bring to the negotiating table'.

    Apart from some hogwash about UK influence in SA I have received no answer even though other posters have also pushed for an answer to my question.

    Obviously then the truth is that Argentina has NOTHING to offer and even the pro-Argentine posters realise this as is obvious by their lack of response.

    Therefore it is clear that Argentina does not want 'negotiations' it wants to be handed the FI on a plate and it can only be assumed that it wants this in an attempt to further it's imperialistic dreams of a Southern Atlantic/Antarctic empire.

    It is the FI's continued resistance to Argentina that stops this imperialist expansionism and that is what infuriates them so.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Enrique Massot - Hey you are about 25 years OUT OF DATE with your information on land ownership! The current owners of Falkland Islands Company sold all farm land areas outside Stanley years ago - toady they are just one of several large companies trading in the Islands as retailers-wholesalers-shipping agents - but do not have a monopoly in any area.
    They no longer hold the clout they did a generation ago - you and your source are way out of date.
    Do please tell us though - what do you think Argentina could bring to any constructive 3 party round the table talks on the future of the Islands?

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #68 darragh
    “Eight hours ago I asked the question 'what would Argentina bring to the negotiating table'...I have received no answer.”
    Of course, any proposals/conditions will be discussed once negotiations begin. It's disingenuous to be asking about that at this time, when the U.K. is not giving any signs of accepting any sort of negotiation with Argentina.
    I could tell you what I'd would put on the table, but what's the use? I won't be sitting at that table.
    As for your ridiculous claim about Argentina's “imperialistic expansionism:”
    I totally understand Falklanders being worried, however let's have a civilized discussion and advance valid arguments. Yours aren't.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ezekielman

    What this senile gent has to say is an absolute irrelevance. A total of 100 Argentinian Popes will have as much influence as a flea's fart. What the courageous chicos of Buenos Aires cannot ignore is the British demand for £5 billion of reparations for their cowardly assault on the Falklands. You will pay up, ladrones.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    70Enrique Massot- So are you saying that sitting at this table - We Islanders would not be able to put forward as a valid Argument that we have peacefully lived on, settled and developed the islands for nearly 2 centuries and no indigenous population had been removed?

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Enrique

    Anything Argentina could offer is already available in a far superior form by the current arrangements.

    As per must Argentineans you are unable to articulate anything beyond the same tired old propaganda pumped out from BsAs.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    72 Islander
    “So are you saying that sitting at this table - We Islanders would not be able to put forward as a valid Argument...”
    No. I haven't said that at all.
    I said I would not be able--and it would not be up to me--to advance any concrete offers to those living in the islands. Period.
    Just to be clear, I believe any negotiation will need to take into consideration the Islanders' interests.
    73 Skip
    “Anything Argentina could offer is already available in a far superior form by the current arrangements.”
    Perhaps--although I believe the Islanders' situation will prodigiously improve if negotiations lead to they acquiring Argentine citizenship.
    In any event, as much as you may like the status quo, the Argentine sovereignty over the islands will need to be negotiated sooner or later.
    And that is not propaganda. Just same old claim.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Enrique

    The fact that so many Argentineans such as yourself choose to live in other countries shows that Argentinean citizenship is no great prize. As I suspected you couldn't articulate a single benefit.

    As for negotiating sovereignty. Just because Argentina demands it doesn't mean it will happen. The UK is comfortable with the status quo. The Islanders have the power to change that status who but choose not to. And Argentina will keep wanting something that is now further out of reach than it has ever been.

    Once you step back and ignore the historical rights and wrongs, there is not a single benefit to anyone other than Argentina in changing the status quo.

    Not a single one.

    Not one.

    None.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    OK so I am a day late and a dollar short... but look at those pics..
    He isn't holding the 'thing'... someone is holding it in front of him while their cohort is taking a pic..
    megafail on all counts... diegodickheads...

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    “The Holy Father did not even realise he had this object in his hands. He has discovered this just now after seeing the photograph,”

    The Pope should take a lot more care when choosing who or what he poses with. Saying that he had ‘no idea’ what it was is a cop out, what if the ‘object’ had been pornographic?

    If the old guy is so past it that he doesn’t know what he is doing he should, like his predecessor, resign.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Caledon

    Enrique
    As for your ridiculous claim about Argentina's “imperialistic expansionism:”

    Rather a “ridiculous” claim than a facile and sneering dismissal.

    I think you'll find imperialistic expansionism is exactly what it is. All we can do is ask you to look.We cannot make you see.

    I totally understand Falklanders being worried,

    There is a difference between understanding and knowing . You do not know the worry of the Islanders .You have never experienced it. Your statement therefore is nothing more than patronising and even insulting.

    however let's have a civilized discussion and advance valid arguments.

    But you have already made up your mind.That not having a civilised discussion ,that's framing the discussion and once the discussion is framed ,wither to “valid” argument ?

    Yours aren't.

    And neither are yours.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    Enrique

    My description of Argentine imperialism struck a nerve didn't it? but let's take a look at what I mean

    According to my Collins Dictionary, 'imperialism' is defined as:-

    Noun

    1. The policy or practice of extending a state's rule over other territories.
    2. An instance or policy of aggressive behaviour by one state against another.
    3. The extension or attempted extension of authority, influence, power etc. by any person, country, institution etc. et al

    Now you may 'claim', incorrectly as it happens, that nearly 200 years ago the Falkland Islands were part of Argentina but there is no way that you can 'claim' that South Georgia or Southern Thule were ever, ever, ever part of Argentina other than by military conquest. Clearly therefore the dictionary definition of 'imperialism' applies completely and irrefutably to Argentina.

    Therefore I stand by my original statement.

    You may find that offensive but I'm sure Argentina's reference to the Falkland Islanders as squatters or non-existent is even more so.

    But back to the original question; you say that you could tell us what you would put on the table which obviously you will not be sitting at.. Well, OK then let us hear your opinion. There may not be much point in your doing so but at least the Falkland Islander's will know where you personally stand.

    I do note, however that later on you state that in you opinion you ' believe the islanders situation will prodigiously improve if negotiations lead to they acquiring Argentine citizenship' - perhaps you would like to explain why.

    Not that there is much chance of them acquiring (or accepting I suspect) Argentine citizenship as your 'Dear Leader' has stated that the Falkland Islanders are 'squatters'. You don't give citizenship to squatters you evict them.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pontefractious

    If the Falkland Islanders are squatters, what does that make the non-indigenous Argentines ?

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MK8 Torpedo

    What exactly are the benefits of Argentine citizenship? The best laugh of the day.
    Can't think of a single one can the Argentines please enlighten me!

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @70 Reekie
    “..., however let's have a civilized discussion and advance valid arguments. ”

    To you, a civilized discussion is one where only your point of view is put forward, and any valid argument that may arise, will have to be one that coincides with your views...
    It is crystal clear that your opinion, like that of the Argie government, is that the only valid outcome to any 'negotiations' between the UK, the Falklands and the Argentine is one where Argentina gains sovereignty over the islands......end of story. That is why there is no point in wasting time with you, or the Argie government.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @76 Frank

    You are correct. There are two hands from the left holding the poster and the pope's left hand is in front of the poster and not holding it. Can't see the pope's right hand so no evidence that he is holding the poster at all.

    It has been pushed in front of him and the photo taken. He's just been photobombed!

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @74 Enrique,
    We do NOT want Argentine citizenship.
    We did want a good neighbourly relationship with Argentina, but due to the RGs attitude, l doubt that that will ever happen.
    The ball is in your court, Argentina.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NFLD

    @73 Enrique

    You seem like a sincere and reasonable person, despite having swallowed the malvinas myth hook, line and sinker. Not completely your fault by any means, as nationalistic indoctrination from birth can cause some pretty warped (and often very illogical) perceptions. That said, some people have the personal fortitude and possess the independent reflection necessary to cast-off such ugly yokes, despite being brainwashed for life alongside the other lemmings.

    There are at least 17 such individuals in Argentina (who where instantly labeled traitors, by-the-way).

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1450787-una-vision-alternativa-sobre-la-causa-de-malvinas

    I would find your interpretation of the statement rather interesting.

    Aug 21st, 2015 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Enrque Massot - 74. Interested that you mention“ the Interests of the Islanders will need to be taken ibnto account”

    Good old classic Facist Dictator talk!

    Anybody with a gun or big fist can decide what is best for somebody elses “interests”

    Most of the world these days prefers the more modern and open approach called “democracy” - where the people concerned themselves decide what is best for their interests - they are called free vote elections or referendums.

    Aug 22nd, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    #74 “Just to be clear, I believe any negotiation will need to take into consideration the Islanders' interests.”

    How ‘Argentine’ is that? We are going to take over your country, but we will ‘consider’ your interests. Very considerate, and the implication is; since you are just a bunch of squatting, usurping non-people, we don’t have to offer any concessions, but we will because we are such fine, decent upstanding people. But once the ‘Islander’s interests have been considered, we will behave exactly like we did in 1982 and to hell with you.

    And these nazi deadbeats are given a hearing at some international forums, how pathetic.

    Aug 22nd, 2015 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    87 downunder
    Unfortunately, the U.K. established a population on islands that Argentina has been claiming as part of its strategy to keep them. The 2013 referendum was part of the same strategy.
    Argentina's strategy is, of course, to obtain enough international support to its claim and make keeping the islands increasingly costly for the U.K.
    Presidential candidate Mauricio Macri had, in 1997, hinted he may not be interested in Malvinas, however more recently he turned around as he did on a number of issues. Reality is, no Argentine president will ever want to be recorded as the one abandoning the claim.
    The request for negotiations will of course continue, and Pope Francisco's gesture was in just in support of such dialogue--he took no position on the matter of sovereignty. No doubt the islanders' interests should and will be a matter of consideration once negotiations start.

    Aug 22nd, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @88
    Do you seriously think that the FALKLANDERS are going to sit around a table with representatives of a country that allows citizens to piss and shit in plastic bags and throw said substances into the crowd at a pop concert in BA. Also your soldiers representing your country shit and pissed in the homes of the FALKLANDERS. Are you serious, the FALKLANDERS have long memories I am sure.

    Aug 22nd, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @88 Reekie
    “Reality is, no Argentine president will ever want to be recorded as the one abandoning the claim”.

    Aside from the fact that Argentina has no legitimate claim over the Falklands, you actually admit that it's a purely political thing.....the fact that the political strategy has nothing to do with history, or the facts, is quite beside the point, isn't it, Reekie ???? silly wanker....

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  • lsolde

    @88 Enrique Massot,
    “The request for negotiations will of course continue,………”
    And of course will continue to be ignored.
    What you malvinistas have to finally realise, is that there will be NO NEGOTIATIONS about OUR Sovereignty.
    Hope this helps.

    Aug 22nd, 2015 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    Jack @ 90

    Reekie's right I'm afraid. What you say is logical enough, but please bear in mind that in Argentina the “Malvinas” myth is an unfortunate fact, rather like a rainstorm when you wanted to picnic. Except that the rain would be actual, not contrived for political purposes.

    Aug 22nd, 2015 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @74 Enrique
    “Perhaps--although I believe the Islanders' situation will prodigiously improve if negotiations lead to they acquiring Argentine citizenship”

    What has an Argentine nationality got to offer the Islanders that a British nationality can't?

    Argentina's offers so far appear to be:
    The right to elect a representative to the Argentine government.

    The Islanders already have the right to vote people to serve in the FIG.

    So there would be a deterioration of life quality by being Argentine.

    Promoting a air service from Argentina

    The Falkland Islands are already served by the RAF's up to date aircraft and by LANChile's up to date aircraft, and the alternative offered is a service from an airline that has problems servicing it's aircraft.

    So by having Argentine airlines service the Falklands, the Islanders would be worse off.

    That Falkland Islanders could attend Argentine universities for free.

    But, they can already attend univerisities, better than the ones Argentina can offer, usually in the UK, for nothing, now.

    So the Argentine offer would be worse than the one that the Islanders experience now.

    “Just to be clear, I believe any negotiation will need to take into consideration the Islanders' interests.”

    What in Argentina's opinion are the interests of the Islanders?

    It appears to me that Argentina are interested only in Argentina's interests.

    @88Enrique

    “Unfortunately, the U.K. established a population on islands that Argentina has been claiming as part of its strategy to keep them.”

    Argentina made no claim for the Islands from 1850-1888 (and that for only one year), then none until the 1940s.

    Therefore any emigrants to the Falkland islands during that time cannot have gone there to counter any claim.

    “The 2013 referendum was part of the same strategy.”

    The 2013 referendum was not initiated by the UK government but by the Falkland Islands Government.

    The strategy you talk of is a fantasy created by the masters of fantasyland, Argentina.

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  • downunder

    88 Enrique Massot (#)

    Unfortunately, you and the rest of your crowd are missing the point!

    Aug 23rd, 2015 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    88 Enrique Massot
    “Argentina's strategy is,.. keeping the islands increasingly costly for the U.K.” Apparently,the cost of the Islands issue is greater to Argentina than Briton.
    It costs Argentina more than the UK in their conflict according to Carlos Escudé. He warned: “If Argentina had power, I would not be doing these proposals,” but reasoned that “pursue policies of power without power is counterproductive” because “leads to losing more than you earn systematically”
    “La reivindicación argentina de Malvinas solo sirve para comprar el voto de ciudadanos poco educados”
    http://www.infobae.com/2014/11/10/1607855-la-reivindicacion-argentina-malvinas-solo-sirve-comprar-el-voto-ciudadanos-poco-educados
    Falklands War Cost-Benefit Analysis

    The price of war
    ”Although the Falklands War had a very noticeable short-term impact on defence expenditure, the impact was not long-lasting. Notwithstanding the first few years after the conflict, when South Atlantic expenditure was greatly consumed by the construction of RAF Mount Pleasant (operational from 1986), the amount spent wasn't overly significant. In 1986-7, it was only 2.23% of total defence expenditure, and by 1989-90, a mere 0.33%. At their height (1982-3), the war's effects represented only 6.76% of total defence expenditure.
    http://www.infobae.com/2014/11/10/1607855-la-reivindicacion-argentina-malvinas-solo-sirve-comprar-el-voto-ciudadanos-poco-educados

    Aug 23rd, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @88

    Isn't this strategy of “keeping the islands increasingly costly for the UK” somewhat inconsistent with your other strategy of complaining about militarization of he South Atlantic? If it's cost that's the issue, shouldn't you be encouraging the UK to spend more, not less?

    Aug 23rd, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    In spite of the plethora of worldwide support which Argentina alleges to have in its foolish machinations to colonise the Falkland Islands it is no further forward in its quest than it was in 1982. When will Argentina realise the “Malvinas” is a lost cause and that it does not possess even one legal position to support it?

    Boludos todos!

    Aug 23rd, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    I take issue with the above article's misleading headline:
    “Pope Francis quashes any attempt to foster Falklands/Malvinas dialogue.”
    Nothing in the story or elsewhere suggests Francisco's gesture would hamper dialogue. On the contrary, dialogue is all the sign in question was requesting.
    MP's headline competes in misleading readers with Bloomberg, which originally published the same article headlined:
    “Pope Francis Tricked to Pose With ‘Dialogue for Malvinas’ Sign.”
    One may agree or not that Malvinas are Argentine, however it's unhelpful to poison the issue more than it is using fictitious statements.

    Aug 23rd, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PDG0192

    @88: “...will be a matter of consideration once negotiations start.” Why “negotiations”? All that's asked for is a “discussion”. There is nothing to negotiate. The principle is what the Falkland Islanders want, which is non-negotiable; we have decided on “self-determination”, a basic tenet of the charter of the UN, an inalienable right.
    All that is needed, once Argentina sits down at the table is a discussion about the way forward, a stop to harassing and bullying and acceptance that the wish of the people is that we remain as we are, British. And then we can all just get on with living, without the constant, disruptive threatening behaviour, and try to build a bit of trust. It's all pretty straight forward really.

    Aug 23rd, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @99 PDG0192,
    Don't confuse them with straight forward logic & rational thinking.
    lts more than their overloaded brain & fragile egos can stand! lol!
    They desperately want our lslands & will do anything to get them.
    Lying straight to your face(or anyone else for that matter) is justified to them if the end result is possession of their mythical “malvinas” & the ability to crow to the world how they defeated the dastardly British & “recovered” what was stolen from them.!!!!!!
    Shower of misfits.
    Who on earth would want to be part of their society? No thank you, Argentina.

    Aug 23rd, 2015 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @98

    You're right about the MP headline, but the Bloomberg headline was an entirely fair summation of the statements from Father Ciro Benedettini. The photos would also bear this out. The Pope is obviously not posing with the placard, it bears all the hallmarks of having been thrust in his hand and a snap taken, one of the oldest tricks in the book, that most celebrities have long been wise to.

    And if the Pope really meant to openly support the Argentine claim for dialogue (which is in fact anything but), he has had ample opportunity with Kirchner, Castro et al turning up on his doorstep every five minutes.

    Aug 23rd, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    ynsere @ 92
    I agree with everything you say. “ Las Malvinas Argentinas ” is a myth. But my point was that Reekie actually admitted it....inadvertently.

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  • Enrique Massot

    #102 Jack Bauer
    Just to be clear:
    Argentines consider the Islas Malvinas to be Argentine territory.
    Politicians of all stripes will support this. Candidate Macri toyed with dropping it, then turned around to avoid losing votes.
    Most Argentines believe Malvinas will become part of our territory--sooner or later, and through a peaceful process.
    The current government's offensive in the international arena will continue. Sooner or later, the U.K. will have to do something about it.
    I sincerely believe and hope that those who live in the islands will be better off as members of a progressive Argentina. As a citizen, I never approved the 1982 invasion.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (101) HansNiesund
    My dear brainwashed Falklandist fellow...

    You say...:
    “... the Bloomberg headline was an entirely fair summation of the statements from Father Ciro Benedettini”

    I say...:
    The Bloomberg Anglo spin on this story was...:
    “...The Pope swiftly quashed the attempt to link him to the cause after a spokesman said the small poster was handed over during a weekly public gathering when lots of people give him things and that ***HE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE ITEM WAS***
    “The Holy Father ***DID NOT EVEN REALIZE HE HAD THIS OBJECT IN HIS HANDS. HE HAS DISCOVERED THIS JUST NOW AFTER SEEING THE PHOTOGRAPH***, Father Ciro Benedettini said in a phone interview on Wednesday night.”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-19/pope-francis-tricked-to-pose-with-dialogue-for-malvinas-sign

    But............. what did sweet Father Ciro Benedettini REALLY say ???
    Let's have a look at his OFFICIAL, WRITTEN riposte on the OFFICIAL VATICAN NEWS NETWORK..., shall we?...:
    ”...Interpellato dai giornalisti, il vicedirettore della Sala Stampa vaticana, padre Ciro Benedettini, è intervenuto sulla questione della foto apparsa su molti giornali in cui è ritratto il Papa con un cartello che invoca il dialogo tra Argentina e Regno Unito sulle *Malvinas.
    Si tratta di una foto – ha detto – “scattata nel contesto di un’udienza generale (mercoledì 19 agosto) in cui molti fedeli porgono al Papa vari oggetti, spesso per farsi fotografare”.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-19/pope-francis-tricked-to-pose-with-dialogue-for-malvinas-sign

    Also, NO MENTION, whatsoever, about the Pope “having no idea what the item was” nor about the Holy Father “not even realizing he had this object in his hands”

    *(Please also note sweet Father Benedettini's proper use of the Spanish word...: “MALVINAS”, not the Engrish “F” word...)

    Anglo Brainwash anybody?

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @103 Reekie.
    You were very clear. You don't need to convince me that probably the majority of Argies, as well as all the Argie politicians, either really do believe that The Falklands are Argentine territory (based on what, no-one knows) OR, they say it only to look good in the photograph...
    For those who actually believe that the Falklands will one day belong to the Argentine, just one word of advice ....don't hold your breath.
    The UK will do something about it. The Falklands will be declared a sovereign country, and will probably have some military defence agreement with the UK....how's that sound to you ?? As to being part of a what do you call it, “ a progressive Argentina” ? you are stark raving mad ....... Don't you believe in self-determination ?? If the islanders wanted anything to do with Argentina, they could, but they DO NOT WANT TO ! how difficult is that to sink into your thick skull ??

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (101) HansNiesund

    By the way...:

    You say...:
    “The Pope is obviously not posing with the placard, it bears all the hallmarks of having been thrust in his hand and a snap taken...”

    I say...:
    O'REALLY?...:
    http://cdn01.ib.infobae.com/adjuntos/162/imagenes/013/200/0013200013.jpg

    http://cdn01.ib.infobae.com/adjuntos/162/imagenes/013/200/0013200013.jpg

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 106 Lunatic!

    You are back!

    What a damn shame, I thought and hoped you were dead. Better luck next time.

    BTW, the Dope of a Pope doesn't really know what he is doing, does he?

    Still many kiddie fiddlers aka 'men in dresses' doing what they want to with the members of their church!

    I didn't realise you are a delusional RCC member: that answers a lot of questions!

    Ha, ha, ha.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    103 Enrique Massot
    “The current government's offensive in the international arena will continue. Sooner or later, the U.K. will have to do something about it.”
    Why will the UK have to do something about it? They seem to be satisfied with the status quo, and there is no legal obligation to compel them to do otherwise.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @104

    The Bloomberg article quotes a **telephone interview** with the good Father Ciro Benedettini. Unless the good Father is in the habit of reciting translations of Vatican press releases that have not yet been released, or the Vatican press release is an unacknowledged transcript of the telephone interview translated into Italian, I don't see any basis for doubting the veracity of the Bloomberg report, apart of course from the fact that it's inconvenient for certain Argentines.

    As for the pics, here is an example of a person deliberately posing with the placard :

    http://www.nacionalcalafate.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/11891034_10207069469673564_8037910573476986572_n.jpg

    and here is a picture of an elderly gentleman who has just had a placard thrust into his hands and a snap taken while he can't possibly have read what it is

    http://www.nacionalcalafate.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/11891034_10207069469673564_8037910573476986572_n.jpg

    All this being said, there can't be any doubt that the Holy Father is a Malvinista through and through, but that just makes it all the more reprehensible to have pulled a fast one on one of your own.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MK8 Torpedo

    Sooner or later the UK Government will have to do something.
    Stop it please my sides are splitting!
    For me that something should be a mix of Storm Shadow and Tomahawk missiles.
    More likely we will just continue to tell you to go forth and multiply.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @104 & 106 Think,
    Who cares what the pope or any other deluded malvinista says?
    They, like you, can prattle on forever.
    lt makes none difference.
    The Falklands are STILL OURS & you are peeing into the wind.
    @107 ChrisR,
    He must have been tired of the limited intelligence of the paulcedron character that he had to play, so has decided to resurface.
    At least we'll be spared the filthy language.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 111 lsolde
    “At least we'll be spared the filthy language.”

    I couldn't possibly comment having been accused of having a filthy mouth myself by someone who has been know to use the 'F' word (very infrequently I have to say) herself!

    :o)

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Hmmm Pork Cedron vanishes, Think and Nostril appear! Says it all.. RGs are desperately short of troops and when the going gets tough they run away! That sounds familiar. LOL!

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    Irrespective of any papal involvement the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Aug 27th, 2015 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    100 Hepatia You will continue to suffer from Delusional disorder as long as you fail to take your meds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
    How long have you had these delusions that you have the power of prophesy? You must have a huge need to compensate, for your feelings of inadequacy, to have such unrealistic fantasies.

    Aug 27th, 2015 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @114 Hepatia,
    Ha ha ha ha ha!
    ls that the best that you can do?
    As always,
    I

    Aug 27th, 2015 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @103

    “I sincerely believe and hope that those who live in the islands will be better off as members of a progressive Argentina. ”

    Easy Question.

    What has Argentine nationality got to offer that makes the Islanders better off than they are now, run by their own government?

    Your answer=?

    If you believe you are right you will have no problem answering this.

    @114 Irrespective of any papal involvement, Argentina will be returning Ushuaia and Santa Cruz to the Falkland islands within 25 years.

    (Settled first by the British, in relation to Keppel Island and the latter by Falkland Islanders, long before the siesta lovers woke up and moved south.).

    Aug 29th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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