In a new set of pastoral guidelines for the upcoming Holy Year of Mercy Pope Francis has made some significant moves, allowing all priests to forgive the sin of abortion and granting SSPX priests the faculty to forgive sins. Read full article
@1
I can't hate something that doesn't exist. I don't hate any of the 'gods' in any pantheon. In fact I find ancient mythology to be most interesting.
However, can the world forgive the Catholic Church for it's multiple crimes?
@1
I don't hate God, or Unicorns, or Fairies, (or the Malvinas!).
In fairness, it's hard to read about Indulgences, and Excommunication for women, in the above article and not feel revulsion for the people who peddle this moral blackmail and superstition. But if people get comfort from this then fair enough. I used to be religious when younger so understand exactly how the faithful can focus on the good bits and block out of their minds the hateful bits and the obvious fallacies.
@3
Not being English I don't think we should let them off the hook just yet, though in fairness they did give us Atomic theory, Computers, the World Wide Web, Beta Blockers, Viagra, Football, Rugby, Habeas Corpus and all kinds of other legal and democratic freedoms. Otherwise, they're a complete waste of space. Oh and Graphene and Tamoxifen and mass industry etc etc etc.
I see The Dope of a Pope has made a concession for the Jubilee of Mercy year, what happens after that?
It will be interesting how many women fall into the potential trap that has opened up here.
Unfortunately for the RCC attendances are dropping almost everywhere except for SA, which says more about the poor education, low intelligence and subservice character of the 'poor' throughout the continent.
Abortion is not a sin.
Unfortunately it is still a crime in most of South America. A legal issue, not a religious one.
The true crime, and any 'sin' (!), is that the Papacy claims autonomy over millions of women's bodies.
Now that is a Shame.
Thousands of women and girls die every year in LatAm, due to illegal 'backstreet Abortions'.
The Pope is ultimately responsible for these deaths. Equally responsible for the spread of HIV/AIDS due to his stance on condom-usage.
I appreciate the jokes here, you all know I do, but Catholicism is causing untold deaths and damage in Latin America.
I understand the historical context, but surely all these 'modern democracies' are able to reject such out-dated notions, and actually empower 50% of their populations?
Can we think on that for a while?
The Church of England combines strong opposition to abortion with a recognition that there can be - strictly limited - conditions under which it may be morally preferable to any available alternative.
Interesting, but not hugely relevant.
Anything from the Baptists, or any other sect? Try the mid-west USA for something radical maybe?
The Catholic Church holds no sway of political decisions/law-making in the UK.
Unlike in Lat Am.
So, do you have a point to make?
What is your view on thousands of dead or damaged women and girls in Lat Am due to this Popery?
PS: who, or what, is TWIMC ? Is it 'To Whom This May Concern'?
Doesn't concern me. Rule of Law does, not opinions of superstitious folk.
@14
Yes, the ethical questions are numerous. Particularly when it comes down to timing. I accept this.
But surely the person expecting childbirth, and the subsequent majority responsibility for said potential child, have the main-say in the decision.
Not some foreign demagogue?
PS: Fathers? Of course! Within a stable, healthy relationship these decisions are arrived at equitibly, often based on financial circumstances.
Also,do not discount the sheer number of errant 'fathers', and rapists in LatAm (and elsewhere).
What's a poor girl to do? Especially when the odds are already stacked against her?
What about the ethics of bringing more potentially undernourished, desperate children into the world?
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Sep 01st, 2015 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't hate something that doesn't exist. I don't hate any of the 'gods' in any pantheon. In fact I find ancient mythology to be most interesting.
However, can the world forgive the Catholic Church for it's multiple crimes?
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Sep 02nd, 2015 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, can the world forgive England for it's multiple crimes?
@1
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't hate God, or Unicorns, or Fairies, (or the Malvinas!).
In fairness, it's hard to read about Indulgences, and Excommunication for women, in the above article and not feel revulsion for the people who peddle this moral blackmail and superstition. But if people get comfort from this then fair enough. I used to be religious when younger so understand exactly how the faithful can focus on the good bits and block out of their minds the hateful bits and the obvious fallacies.
@3
Not being English I don't think we should let them off the hook just yet, though in fairness they did give us Atomic theory, Computers, the World Wide Web, Beta Blockers, Viagra, Football, Rugby, Habeas Corpus and all kinds of other legal and democratic freedoms. Otherwise, they're a complete waste of space. Oh and Graphene and Tamoxifen and mass industry etc etc etc.
Nothing but fantasy and fairy tales.
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0In real life, abortion exists. It´s a public health issue and it´s not going to be solved if its addressed from magic.
I can not express how much hypocrisy you can see when it comes to this topic here in Argentina.
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Sep 02nd, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0What have the English ever done for us?
I see The Dope of a Pope has made a concession for the Jubilee of Mercy year, what happens after that?
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will be interesting how many women fall into the potential trap that has opened up here.
Unfortunately for the RCC attendances are dropping almost everywhere except for SA, which says more about the poor education, low intelligence and subservice character of the 'poor' throughout the continent.
Abortion is not a sin.
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately it is still a crime in most of South America. A legal issue, not a religious one.
The true crime, and any 'sin' (!), is that the Papacy claims autonomy over millions of women's bodies.
Now that is a Shame.
@6
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....oh and Monty Python too!
And Hardy Bros. tackle!
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Rudge- Whitworth cycles!
;-)
Thousands of women and girls die every year in LatAm, due to illegal 'backstreet Abortions'.
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Pope is ultimately responsible for these deaths. Equally responsible for the spread of HIV/AIDS due to his stance on condom-usage.
I appreciate the jokes here, you all know I do, but Catholicism is causing untold deaths and damage in Latin America.
I understand the historical context, but surely all these 'modern democracies' are able to reject such out-dated notions, and actually empower 50% of their populations?
Can we think on that for a while?
TWIMC
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Church of England combines strong opposition to abortion with a recognition that there can be - strictly limited - conditions under which it may be morally preferable to any available alternative.
https://www.churchofengland.org/our-views/medical-ethics-health-social-care-policy/abortion.aspx
@12 Tink
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting, but not hugely relevant.
Anything from the Baptists, or any other sect? Try the mid-west USA for something radical maybe?
The Catholic Church holds no sway of political decisions/law-making in the UK.
Unlike in Lat Am.
So, do you have a point to make?
What is your view on thousands of dead or damaged women and girls in Lat Am due to this Popery?
PS: who, or what, is TWIMC ? Is it 'To Whom This May Concern'?
Doesn't concern me. Rule of Law does, not opinions of superstitious folk.
TWIMC
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ethical questions are many...
Until when is it an abortion and when does it become a killing...?
Three months after conception...?
Six months after...?
Nine months...?
Ten...?
PS...:
Do Fathers have a saying?
@14
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the ethical questions are numerous. Particularly when it comes down to timing. I accept this.
But surely the person expecting childbirth, and the subsequent majority responsibility for said potential child, have the main-say in the decision.
Not some foreign demagogue?
PS: Fathers? Of course! Within a stable, healthy relationship these decisions are arrived at equitibly, often based on financial circumstances.
Also,do not discount the sheer number of errant 'fathers', and rapists in LatAm (and elsewhere).
What's a poor girl to do? Especially when the odds are already stacked against her?
What about the ethics of bringing more potentially undernourished, desperate children into the world?
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