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Malvinas chapter of “Back to the Future”, script by Argentine pope Francis
Argentina's Patagonia’s National University of San Juan Bosco (UNPSJB), based in Chubut province, officially introduced on Tuesday an academic scholarship program geared toward Falklands/Malvinas residents, and during a panel presided by Malvinas Affairs Secretary Daniel Filmus, Argentina's Under-Secretary of University Policies Laura Alonso and the university’s chief Alberto Ayape. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules'If the scholarships' initiaitve is true and effective'....
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dream on, Diego......
“It all looks like a replay of that eighties film “Back to the future”, only this time the script was most probably masterminded by Argentine born Pope Francis, who among other things is one of the very few people in Argentina that can manage to influence and change President Cristina Fernandez mind and determination, and why not obsession.”
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0If it can be proved that the Pope has, in any way, been involved in the planning of this “intervention” then I, a Catholic, vehemently deplore his action. This contrived “offer” is an insult to the people of the Falkland Islands and should be rejected out of hand.
The Pope should NOT become involved in the nefarious efforts of Argentina to further its laughable claims to sovereignty of the Falklands archipelago; furthermore, he should be SEEN NOT TO BE INVOLVED!
When he was elected Pontiff I posted my reservations about his suitability for the post because of his historical support, as an Argentine citizen and Archbishop of Buenos Aires, for the Malvinista cause and, if the above report is true, then my misgivings were correct.
This is a sad day for the Catholic Church if the report is correct.
Argentina finally admits it has failed!
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Laughing so hard right now.
The dimwits have finally realised that invasion intimidation economic war and blockade have failed so they are now trying to be nice. Reminds me of Red Riding Hood!
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0What young person would trade a University Education from the UK for one in Argentina? Will they find themselves sitting in lectures with Malvinista thugs?
Any takers ?
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can see how this is going to go.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody will take up the offer and Argentina will then bemoan how unfriendly the islanders are.
@6. I hope you're right. Let's not forget that argieland tried the “friendly” approach after the war. Until Kirchner (deceased) realised it wasn't getting him any closer to sovereignty. Then he threw his dolly out of his pram, tore up the fishing and hydrocarbon agreements and flounced off.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0We must not forget that there's a new generation on the Falklands with no direct knowledge of the war. To whom, perhaps, the idea of getting off the Islands and experiencing a “modern” society may be attractive. More than ever the Islanders will need support. Probably to help the younger generation understand how much argies lie.
It's not even one of the top 200 Universities in South America (QS 2015), and none of those make the top 100 list globally. In contrast the UK has 18 on the top100 list, Australia has 9, Canada 5 and the US 28.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 040 Hit the nail! All Falklands Student Residents(don't have to be born here) who get the grades at 16yrs get Free Higher Education- plus travel plus a decent cash allowance to go on to 6th Form or Tec College - and then University etc - all paid for by Falklands Govt anyway.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most go to UK where we have education direct links. A lad of Spanish family origen chose to go to a Spanish University- paid for by F.I.G - he graduated and is now in a good job back here.
My nephew was one of those who went to College in Arg in the 1970s - it only lasted a few years as it all blew up in Argentina,s face - furious Arg families wanting to know why their taxes were being given to all these kids who basically did not like Argentina anyway! Within a few years it all stopped.
Of course young Falklanders will need to learn & understand the RGs (oh too obvious)agenda. !
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0What did the Trojan Princess say?- “beware of Greeks bearing gifts” & look how that turned out.
Remember, the Devil will want his payment.
l see it as a ploy to divide us.
Not the least, the young against their elders.
@10 lsolde
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt this tactic will work. Why get a 3rd rate education, where a foreign government 'might' pay for some extras, when they can go to the UK, USA or ANYWHERE else and get a 1st rate education, with all the extras paid for by the FIG.
And this attempt to 'build bridges' is far too little, far too late. The Argentines have had 33 years to build true bridges of friendship and trust, and every time their true nature comes out. They can't keep up the 'nice' act for more than 5 minutes.
I'm sure the Argentine government will be back to insulting and threatening the Falklanders before too long.
Haha, this is an all too obvious Argie ploy which Filmus knows will be rejected out of hand by Islanders and designed by Filmus to try and build his flimsy case for a takeover.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We hold out the hand of friendship and they reject it” you can just hear their cries to all and sundry.
The Islanders can then refer onlookers to CFKs “squatters, non people etc” comments, the blockade, tyre burning, Malvinista insults, and stupid purile campaign.
Argie so called Universities only produce morons anyway. Who would want to swap Oxford, Cambridge, Reading or London for them.
The argieas had their chances and blew them, now they want to have the children of the islanders in their so called 'universtites' (ask ElaineB about them, she knows) for their 'education'.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0We all know how the children of Argentina get educated, don't we.
Any youngster who wants to do this must be a bit dim and will fit in right away and will probably be Chancellor within six months. :o)
Can't stop laughing at this :-)
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I always thought it was common courtesy to liaise with the Education Authority of the nation you were wishing to make such an offer to.Considering that no-one from the Islands attended this “event”it is evident that no such courtesy has been extended. It would there-for not be unreasonable to question the academic attainments and political sentiments of those involved. So perhaps the first recipients of this supposed “award” should come from a little closer to themselves than they would find comfortable.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“named after Thomas Bridges, an Anglican Missionary who lived in Malvinas and Ushuaia in the 20th century”
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or, more accurately
Named after Thomas Bridges, born in the UK, lived in the Falkland Islands, was one of the founders of Ushuaia as a town in 1869, before it was ever part of Argentina, died in 1898, before the 20th century started.
Last week aggressive diplomatic push
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This week seduction
Next week re-aggression
Fortnight attempt at invasion, a sunk Argie naval ship and Argies trying to cheat at football
seen it all before
These people are getting so desperate, patronising vile attempts to garner favour after years offensive remarks and insults. Why would they want to risk their lives in Argentina, when the FIG will pay to send them to the UK for a world class education?
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey! Come to Argentina young Falklander. They giva you smack in the face, lotsa insults, poora education, try brainwash..
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a mistaka to maka!
16 Molly - Yes its such a laugh and a farce! Idiot Tittlemouse does not even know his own Country.s history - let alone what happened in the 1800s!
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even more of a laugh - How can his Dept contact and talk to the Education Dept of the Government of the Falkland Islands to formally make the offer?
According to the Argentine Govt - There is no such thing in the world as Falkland Islands Govt!!!!!!!
It sure is a laugh and yet another sad argentine farce! Poor little lot!
“The program will offer 10 scholarships to Falklands/Malvinas residents that will include free flights between the Islands and Argentina, a stipend and the possibility of lodging in a university residence.”
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Islander
”All Falklands Student Residents(don't have to be born here) who get the grades at 16yrs get Free Higher Education- plus travel plus a decent cash allowance to go on to 6th Form or Tec College - and then University etc - all paid for by Falklands Govt anyway.”
Filmus is so ignorant he may actually think this is offering the Islanders something they have not got.
Shutting the door after the horse has bolted springs to mind.
The induction day at Argy Uni would be interesting...
Professor of Induction: Welcome to our world class university, with our ground breaking teaching techniques. Now repeat after me, 1,000 times, Las Malvinas = Argentinas.
And now the brain washing approach begins,
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0next will be FREE travel on the mainland, and education lessons on the argentine masters,
but like all thing from the un-master race, it will fall flat on its face.
I think it is a good option to get in touch with the people who lives in the islands.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably it is not better than the options that youngs have in England but it has the advantage that it is quite near that England... You could see your child more often than if they have to go to England.
This is not a seduction measure, this is a way of getting in touch and know each other.
In addition imagine one islander come to the continent to study, fall in love with a boy or girl and make a family with children... they make a bond that will never be broken... It is very good way to start leaving behind the hatred...
“We must not forget that there's a new generation on the Falklands with no direct knowledge of the war. To whom, perhaps, the idea of getting off the Islands and experiencing a “modern” society may be attractive. More than ever the Islanders will need support. Probably to help the younger generation understand how much argies lie.”
I wonder, Isn't it brainwashing?????
this is a way of getting in touch and know each other.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,
lol, Another chair broke after falling of amid laughter.
there's a new generation on the Falklands with no direct knowledge of the war.
this also goes for the argies also, but alas CFK keeps reminding them.
perhaps, the idea of getting off the Islands and experiencing a “modern” society may be attractive
,,
are you saying the islanders live in an Un modern society, what an insult.
...........
More than ever the Islanders will need support.
well certainly not from the bloody devil they don't..
how much argies lie.”
Very true YO very true.
I think it is a good option to get in touch with the people who lives in the islands.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably it is not better than the options that youngs have in England but it has the advantage that it is quite near that England... You could see your child more often than if they have to go to England.
This is not a seduction measure, this is a way of getting in touch and know each other.
In addition imagine one islander come to the continent to study, fall in love with a boy or girl and make a family with children... they make a bond that will never be broken... It is very good way to start leaving behind the hatred...
“We must not forget that there's a new generation on the Falklands with no direct knowledge of the war. To whom, perhaps, the idea of getting off the Islands and experiencing a “modern” society may be attractive. More than ever the Islanders will need support. Probably to help the younger generation understand how much argies lie.”
I wonder, Isn't it brainwashing?????
Yep
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or at least attempted brainwashing...lol
Thanks, Yo, but no thanks.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aren't we squatters now?
How transparent.
@25
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ It is very good way to start leaving behind the hatred...”
Yes but why does your country hate them? What have they ever done to you? And if it is them hating you that you are worried about then why don't you try a) apologising for invading them and b) dropping your claim to their country? You might find they are perfectly friendly to people who are not trying to steal their the home.
Yo- Sorry to disapoint you but all students from the Falklands that go overseas get their return airfares paid each way at the end of each term or semester - so that is 3 times a year they are back home with their families and friends. Just the same as if they went to study in South America.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In practise some don't come back every break - they stay in UK get a job and work for extra money - or travel around other countries with friends etc.
We are not talking about children that need close parental support - we are talking about teenagers 16-20yrs. Intelligent young adults.
Oh- I can assure you that the young generation of today who are Post 1982 - they actually HATE Argentina even more than my generation that can remember when there was a civilized relationship between us pre 1982.
You see all they have ever known of Argentina is all the hatred - vile insulting remarks-economic warfare etc etc that has come out of your Government for the last 15 years.
their ya go yoyo.
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any islander who takes up this “kind” offer will be the centre of Argentina's next propaganda campaign. I wonder if the Third Reich made similar overtures to young Sudetens in 1938? The obvious differences being that Germany had good universities to offer and many Sudetens were pro-Nazi.
Sep 04th, 2015 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont think you are squatters... I believe you have the right to live on the island but not under the uk goverment... We dont want to steal your home.....
Sep 04th, 2015 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The real fact is that now you have a new door opened... Now it is your choice if you want to enter it ir not....
Yo- Filmus can easily find out the email address of the Director of Education in the Falkland Islands. Why has he not been in touch with our Education Dept to make the offer officially and directly?
Sep 04th, 2015 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your University in question has openly stated that this would be a POLITICAL
based scheme!
I and my family have lived here for 170 years - I live 100% under the Islands Govt - in which I have a vote - I do not live under the UK Govt in any way at all.
We are a very small place and with a large neighbour who threatens us - we need to “belong” ultimatley to a friendly bigger country for defence - we choose the UK in this- but the UK has no say in how we live our daily lives.
@32 YO
Sep 04th, 2015 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0No one wants your shitty 'education'. No one needs to enter into 'dialogue' with you. That ended in 1982. You killed some of our people. The British never forget.
It is not for you to 'open a door'. It is for you to apologise, pay repatriations for the war, and then humbly beg the Falkland Islanders to become friends.
Oh, and change your Constitution which claims Imperialistic 'rights' over a foreign land.
Think on that.
@Yo
Sep 04th, 2015 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You tried to sound reasonable and progressive in 25 and I wasn't sure if you were being naive or disingenuous. But then you revealed your true motive in 32. You don't believe your neighbours should have the right to live as they please - you would rather your government took your neighbour's country and ran it than them. That's called Imperialism. You want what they have - that's called Envy. And you want them to live under the same miserable Peronist governments as you have to - that's called Cruelty.
This is just yet another publicity stunt from Filmus. I wonder if he and his office will carry on under the new government?
Sep 04th, 2015 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I believe you have the right to live on the island but not under the uk goverment”
Sep 04th, 2015 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0An Argentinean can BELIEVE all they want.
However a Falkland Islander has an actual right to choose what they want.
They don't choose Argentina.
Why oh why is it so difficult for Argentineans to get their head around accepting what the people affected BELIEVE.
@37 Skip
Sep 04th, 2015 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe because the Argentines are systemically-indoctrinated, maybe because they are not taught that to be a 'Free-Thinker' is a Human Right?
well?
It would explain a lot if my thesis is true....
@32 Yo Yos go up and down on a piece of string. Who is operating yours, Filmus?
Sep 04th, 2015 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can believe whatever you want, but you, or your government cant steal our Falkland Islands, we are watching and we have big boots. If you drop your false claim, man up and extend the hand of friendship instead of constant threats and attempted intimidation perhaps one day we can talk as neighbours with a mutual interest in our neighbourhood.
Their whole attitude gives them away……
Sep 04th, 2015 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we have the right to live here, BUT not under the government that WE choose……!!!!!!!!!!
The cheek of the creature is just unbelievable.
Who do you think you are, Yo?
Trying to play God, are you?
Well we don't like you or your government or your country, so get lost.
And close your door on your way out.
Their is a lot of comments to reply. I cant answer to all of you because a matter of time. Sorry.
Sep 04th, 2015 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do not want to be god, i only say what i think. It is just an opinion, my opinion.
You can say what you want too.
33 Islander1
We will not talk to your Education dept, because we do not recognice it. For us it is not an official department.
I think you could get a bit angry if we had tried to open an university on the island, but we haven't. We only have opened the chance for the ones who want to study here to do it and for free (including travelling costs). I do not think it is something bad.
@37 Skip
Maybe because the Argentines are systemically-indoctrinated, maybe because they are not taught that to be a 'Free-Thinker' is a Human Right?
I believe that to be a Free-Thinker is a Human Right, so why dont you accept i think as i do?
Sorry Yo but you just attributed a quote to me that I didn't say.
Sep 04th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are free to believe and say (within your own country's laws) whatever you please. However I doubt that you could say certain things about the Falkland Islands in your country without potentially soliciting physical harm.
Anyway, just as you have certain “human rights”, so too do the Falkland Islanders. And one of those rights, which has never been removed, reduced or qualified, is the right to self-determination.
It only took several comments for you to quickly cry out for respect for your “human rights” and yet after decades of abuse and threats by your country, you wonder why Falkland Islanders wish to have little to do with Argentina and EMPHATICALLY reject any possibility of becoming part of Argentina.
The question is therefore; why, after asking for understanding about your human rights, you feel it is so easy to ignore someone else's human right.
Indeed, I would have to say that the ultimate example of free thought is the expression of self-determination. For this expression is a pinnacle that almost all other rights within a state can be subsumed by.
Self-determination (which Falkland Islanders recently expressed in a referendum) is a way of saying to the entire world that a person is not only in control of their lives but free to voice their ideal way of living in controlling their very future.
Unfortunately (especially for you that will have no ability to counter argue) Argentina has for decades since confecting its claim in the 1930/40s always denied this right.
The fact that you (through your education and its indoctrination) support such a suppression of human rights means you forfeit the moral high ground when asking people to recognise your own human rights.
@41 Yo
Sep 04th, 2015 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me parece que Usted carece de conocimientos correctos de la historia de las Falkland Islands.(It seems to me that your knowledge of the history of the Falkland Islands is very limited)
http://www.falklandshistory.com
Tenga la bondad de leer este link para aprender la verdad. (Please read the link in order to learn the truth.)
Yo- Very very Very sorry I have to inform you that you and any Arg Govt backed idea will get NOWHERE unless you talk to the relevant authorities here in the Islands.
Sep 04th, 2015 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you will not talk to our Dept of Education and Senior(High School) - How on earth could you ever find out which student has got which basic education standard? Or what they may want to study? or even what age name and sex they are?
I know Filmus is as thick as a brick - but you sound a bit more intelligent.
There is no way our Govt would even consider allowing an under 18 person going to an education establishment in another country that our Dept of Education had not been indirect communication with and checked out for all grounds- educational and personal safety etc.
Islander1 @ 44
Sep 04th, 2015 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think the Argentine authorities can truthully guarantee students, whether local or foreign, either quality of education or personal safety.
43 gordo1 (#) I have read the link you shared me.
Sep 04th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont think that is the truth....
You have repeated that our arguments are lies so much times as you complain our people has said them on the UN.
In this story the UK appears as Bambi and Cinderella together.
You are forgetting all the english interventions on argentines goverments on their favour. Helping to bring down those that did not suit UK's interests.
If you think we had cheated UN and all international forums that give us their support, so you think that we are genius or the other countries are fools.
The resolutions calls for dialogue because they recognize that a conflict exists and must be solved.
Otherwise i think we are talking of the sovereingty issue but i only commented about the new possibility of malvinenses to study in the continent.
@40 Yo
Sep 04th, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. You are very arrogant - a typical trait of malvinistas! It is quite clear that you have never read www.falklandshistory.com
2. If Argentina is so sure of its position(and it's alleged international support) why does it not take its case to the International Court of Justice which is the ONLY forum qualified to make any judgement in the matter?
3. The Falklands/Malvinas archipelago has NEVER been part of Argentina and NEVER will be!
“The Pope should NOT become involved in the nefarious efforts of Argentina to further its laughable claims to sovereignty of the Falklands archipelago; furthermore, he should be SEEN NOT TO BE INVOLVED!”
Sep 04th, 2015 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Popesy should probably avoid politics altogether since he is so clueless.
@40 Yo
Sep 04th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just in case you missed it in your haste!
http://www.falklandshistory.com/historia-falsa.pdf
4-Yo So if Dialogue is what Argentina wants to encourage happen - Why does Argentina refuse to talk with us? - after all we are the people who are the “problem”.
Sep 05th, 2015 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 46 Yo writes: “... or the other countries are fools”
Sep 05th, 2015 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You got it in one!
Not the countries, but the politicians, whom Argentina! claims support the claim on the Falkland Islands.
Nobody expects a president, a cabinet secretary or a foreign minister to lie the way yours do - did you notice that Cristina claimed that poverty in Argentina is at 5 percent? and that Aníbal Fernández claimed that poverty in Argentina is below that of Germany and Scandinavia?
Tell us, Yo, precisely what makes you think the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina?
YO
Sep 05th, 2015 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no 'conflict', only a secure and stable people, and some whinging Argentines.
Please explain “all the english interventions on argentines goverments”
A list, please.
@52 ilsen
Sep 05th, 2015 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's case is nothing but fairy tales, myths, misinterpretations of historical events and, of course, just plain lies! Coupled with their innate arrogance!
53 gordo1 (#)
Sep 05th, 2015 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you think that being arrogant is to believe that the history you are telling is “THE TRUTH” and others are false?
That story has been written by UK if a give you the one written by Argentina, which would be the real one?
I always say that what i write is what “I THINK”, and i understand you have a different point of view i do not share.
@Yo
Sep 05th, 2015 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Evidence based IE from letters,documents,maps and witnesses.
What are the Argentine claims based on?
The evidence has been provided to you in a link.The link provides the evidence.
Please provide in full the Argentine link with evidence proving the claim!
https://www.mrecic.gov.ar/es/la-cuesti%C3%B3n-de-las-islas-malvinas/antecedentes#01
Sep 05th, 2015 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is the official webpage of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
The one you shared me is official? I could not see who has writed it.
@yo
Sep 05th, 2015 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I suspected I can find no corroboration of the claims made on that site,no cross reference to documents,no maps or witnesses.
The other document has a very large number! It's not IIR official but was put together with evidence from various sources including Argentine ones.
@56 Yo
Sep 05th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first part of Argentina's claim is false . It asserts that the areas allocated to Spain via a papal bull were legally Spain's.
However, non catholic countries were not under the pope, who did not rule the entire world, therefore the Papal bull had no relevance to the Falklands claim.
If the papal bull was in legal effect, why were the UK allowed to take Canada and the USA?
And why do Argentina claim South Georgia, when according to the papal bull it falls under Portuguese jurisdiction?
Also explain this. As Argentina claim that they inherited the Falkland islands from Spain, can you explain why a Spanish naval force sailed into Stanley in 1863 and saluted the Union Jack?
Why, if Spain had signed a document transferring Spanish to Argentina sovereignty, did they salute the Union Jack instead of protesting of the absence of an Argentine flag?
I find the idea that the Falklands was inherited from Spain a bit odd.
Sep 05th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 Argentina did not exist at the time.
2 The people that eventually became Argentine were in rebellion against Spain.
3 Why then would Spain Wish to give them anything?
Any opinions Yo?
@54 Yo
Sep 05th, 2015 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) In fact the two British academics, Messrs Pascoe and Pepper, whilst researching antecedents for their presentation were allowed access to government files in Argentina.
2) “The one you shared me is official? I could not see who has writed it.” This must be confirmation that you have not read the link Viz - on the from page is the legend “How Argentina misled the UN in 1964 – and still does
by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper © 2012” And, yes, it is sponsored by the Falklands Government.
Yo won't be able to think for himself about the Falklands because he has had the “malvinas myth” drummed into his brain since primary school.
Sep 05th, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lts now a part of his psyche.
Also this type of people cannot accept that they are wrong & cannot accept that they cannot win all of the time.
The “malvinas myth” festers away like a huge malignant tumour inside their braincase.
l doubt that they will ever accept us on our terms so we must be eternally vigilant, never forget & never let our descendants forget either.
Sad that its come to this, but thats the reality of it.
@62 “Also this type of people cannot accept that they are wrong & cannot accept that they cannot win all of the time.”
Sep 05th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny that you say that, you always get away with everything you do.
@61 Isolde
Sep 05th, 2015 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The malvinistas are similar to the Germans under Hitler. They had Joseph Goebbels, the Minister of Propaganda who propagated myths about National Socialism just as successive Argentine Governments promote the lies about the Falkland archpelago.
Yo, like most Argentineans, is the product of a system that has 2nd rate education but 1st rate indoctrination.
Sep 05th, 2015 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's not even a need to change his/her mind because the Falklands don't need Argentina.
tbf Goebbels was premier league propaganda malvistas more conference league.
Sep 06th, 2015 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seemed a nice idea Argentina finally attempting to be reasonable but of course I was naive. YO you need to be a lot more subtle than that I suggest you watch yes minister and yes prime minister to see how its done.
Also drop the papal bull nonsense the British have a habit of thumbing their nose at the pope something to do with the Spanish armada getting defeated.
@62 Magnus,
Sep 06th, 2015 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we do, don't we?
Especially when it comes to refuting Argentina's lies.
You acuse us all the time of brainwashing... But you are the ones who every time remind yourselves of teaching new generations the bad people argentinians are.... Doesnt it be brainwashing???? If we were bad people you shouldnt need to teach them it because they would realice it alone... So why do you fear it???
Sep 06th, 2015 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Martin Woodhead
Sep 07th, 2015 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/indig-inter-caetera.html
The above link will take you to the Papal Bull. Basically, Pope Alejandro VI - the infamous Borga Pope(A Spaniard from Valencia) ceded the New World to his captive audience - the two Iberian nations, Spain and Portugal. The Bull has no value as, of course, the newly discovered lands were not his property and thus he had now legal power to dispose of them.
The naive Argentines include this nonsense as part of their claim, as successors to Spain, of the Falklands archipelago. Just part of the lies, myths, fairy tales they utilise for their lost cause.
@67Yo
Sep 07th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to inform you but in the UK we don't and never teach young people that Argentines are bad.
Maybe in Argentina they teach that Falkland Islanders or none people and squatters but I suspect it's only your politicians that do that?
The average Brit knows very little about Argentina,except this clearly made up claim,this Brit simply can not understand why you are so obsessed by a group of islands the size of Wales when you live in the 5th or is it 6th largest country in the world with a population of only about 40 million .
That's probably why some think you are brain washed.
@67 Yo
Sep 10th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But you are the ones who every time remind yourselves of teaching new generations the bad people argentinians are.... ”
Maybe on these posts, but go into a UK school and you will not find children repeating zombie like mantras and singing the WORST SONG EVER WRITTEN that Argentine children are forced to sing as if they were the Hitler Youth.
In short, children are not indoctrinated to hate Argentines in British schools, your politicians do an excellent job of inviting hate by 'Crying Wolf' about submarines that don't exist,unarmed yellow helicopter pilots being a live threat, pretending the Falkland Islanders are a non people when many of their families have lived in the South Atlantic a lot longer than most Argentine families have lived in Argentina, and you think that a British captain who reconstitutes a previous claim on the Islands is violent by asking a bunch of cut throat mutineers to leave by means of a politely written letter. And the whole joke in that is Pinedo's crew who were mostly British refused to resist their own countrymen-was Pinedo stupid?
An analogy would be like for argument's sake, the British task force in 1982 sailing down with most of their crew as native Argentines and doing goldfish impressions when the Argentines refused to fight their mates.
And although your country claims a weird type of democracy where your president rules by decree rather than having to face difficult questions in public from her opposition, 30 years ago, 30,000 of your own people were murdered by crackpots stupid enough to think that a major NATO power wasn't going to turn up to the gig to liberate it's people.
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