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Malvinas: All Argentina Is Saying Is Give Dialogue a Chance
By Cecilia Nahón (*) (**) - Over the last few months the United States has reached two historic agreements that have dominated media headlines and the local political debate: the re-establishment of diplomatic relations between the United States and Cuba after more than 50 years and, more recently, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action agreed by the US, China, Russia, France, United Kingdom and Germany, along with the European Union, with the Islamic Republic of Iran about the latter's nuclear program Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBut the only acceptable outcome to the dialogue for Argentina would be full sovereignty handover, that is just not going to happen, so maybe if Argentina dropped their ridiculous claim, changed the constitution and admitted their errors, that may be a basis for talking about the future with the Islanders.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and having a foreign minister that doesn't run away from meetings would also help with the dialogue too, just a thought!
The UN have designated the Falkland Islands a non-self-governing territory (NSGT)
Sep 07th, 2015 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
The UN has also determined that all NSGTs have the right to self-determination http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
This has been re-affirmed by the United Nations International Court of Justice (UNICJ). The UNICJ General Report 1971 (page 31) states the following:- ”the subsequent development of international law in regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them”.
I repeat - both the UN and the UNICJ proclaim that the principle of self-determination, under the UN Charter, applies to ALL non-self-governing territories. They do not say it applies to all of them except the Falkland Islands.
Christ this ugly battered looking hag really is out of date! She is still harping on about all the so called citizens who were apparently expelled in 1833!! I thought even Twitman her boss had accepted that line was a load of bullshit!
Sep 07th, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Marcos - can you please phone her and ask her to list the occasions when her Govt has REFUSED talks because Islanders were going to be present.
I know of 2 occasions - one with Twitman in London and another when Kirschner refused to accept a written offer from our Govt to sit and talk- made to her in the UN.
You would think this apologist for TDC would have managed to wash her hair by now.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0She could also do with having her mouth washed out to remove the lies she says every time she opens it.
I think I am correct is stating this is the first time since her inaugural 'miss-speak' that she has made the papers, clearly a winner for TDC.
If her looks keep deteriorating she will be able to takeover from TMBOA as The First Hag of TDC.
The Falkland Islands Government (and the UK Government) have offered to talk to Argentina on many occasions, and the offers remain open. There is no offer from either party for discussions with a pre-determined outcome.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Continuing to try to deceive the world on this issue will not work. The facts are different.
Cecilia, you're breaking my heart,
Sep 07th, 2015 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Cecilia, l'm down on my knees,
l'm begging you please to stay home
To stay home & stfu, you hag(thanks Chris!)
Comedy gold!
Sep 07th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A vibrant democracy!
Invasion of 1833!
Accused Argentina !
Refused Dialog!
Milterised the South Atlantic !
Argentina is like one huge never ending Monty Python sketch.
There's nothing to negotiate. The Falklands Islands are as much British territory as Buenos Aires is Argentine territory. Why would we negotiate just because Argentina's been whinging over it for the last seventy years?
Sep 07th, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 6 lsolde
Sep 07th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's just too funny! :o)
International Law no longer applies so far as the Falklands achieved independence is concerned.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As confirmed by the Secretary General of the UN, the UK is not in breach of any 'relevant' UN resolutions. UNGA 2065 XX from 1965 is dead: https://www.academia.edu/10573354/UNGA_2065_XX_Question_of_The_Falkland_Islands_16_Dec_1965
Sep 07th, 2015 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RIP
They just don't see it. Falkland folk wouldn't trust them with a dead ferret!
Sep 07th, 2015 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is quite possibly the most idiotic statement to come from Argentina in many a moon. Just casually reading it I found 28 errors of fact, omission and downright lies and no doubt there are others
Sep 07th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't say much for Huff & Puff that they published this tripe.
As usual they are bending over backwards to emphasise that it is a bilateral issue between UK and Argentina.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times must you be told Argentina that there can be no discussion of sovereignty without including the Falkland Islanders? and how many times have you refused to engage in dialogue because you will not aknowledge that the Falkland Islanders have a say in the issue as well?
You accuse the UK of having an anachronistic colonial attitude yet you would treat us as a colony of Argentina, your hypocrisy is incredible.
'This year marks the 50th anniversary of the adoption of Resolution 2065 by the UN General Assembly, the first of its kind to recognize the existence of the sovereignty dispute and to call upon its sole two parties, the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom, to reach a settlement by means of negotiations.'
Sep 07th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So typical of the Argentine propaganda machine. 2065 was not about a sovereignty dispute, it only took note within the preamble of a sovereignty dispute. The actual resolution was about the 'Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples relating to the Falkland Islands'.
Hold on shouldn't that be... 'and the population relating to the Falklands'
When will this woman buy some Head and Shoulders and give that lank dirty hair a good wash
Sep 07th, 2015 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing new here of course, but As a neutral observer I can't help but point out the following:
Sep 07th, 2015 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The islands were uninhabited in 1833 - there was no “argentine population” to expel.
2. The country of Argentina did not exist in 1833.
3. Argentina's entire claim to these islands are based on delusional and wishful misinterpretation of inaccurate charts and documents that the Spanish left behind.
4. Argentina's continued insistence that the residents of the islands are “illegal squatters” and “an implanted population that has no right to be there” strongly suggests that the Argentine government would engage in ethnic cleansing of the islands if they gained sovereignty of the islands.
I understand that the UK government is not obligated to respond every time one of these delusional nitwits starts squawking about the “Malvinas” but it would be good if they would occasionally point out some of the Arg's more problematic arguments.
What arrant nonsense!
Sep 07th, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but how many times is Argentina going to delete with her elbow what she has just written with her hand?
Sep 07th, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sunshines, you were given talks and you invaded treacherously a defenseless population with no aggression nor provocation on territory of an up to then ally of Argentina! After that you were given talks.. you agreed on the Madrid Treaty.. and now you have thrown it in the bin.. in 1849 you were given talks and this resolved the Falklands problem totally as Argentina had nothing to do with the islands .. and you tore up the Arana Southern treaty in 1941! .. You also ignored the international arbitration TWICE regarding the Chilean Islands of Picton Nueva and Lennox which just like the Falklands-Malvinas they were on all your maps from 1850 to 1940 as not part of Argentine Territory.. what is more part of the Chilean evidence is also valid for the Falklands.. ! So what is the point in talking if you tear up everything, ignore what you have signed and agreed.. ! Talks by UN resolution 2065 were killed on April 2nd 1982, so talks have failed.. Next step in the judicial proces: International Court of Justice! Stop messing about put your scan evidence to the Court.
“This has been so since 1833, when the United Kingdom invaded the islands expelling the Argentine population and authorities and implanting its own instead”.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many people were “expelled”...what was the longest any of those “expelled” had been on the islands...
Tell the truth
How many times?
Sep 07th, 2015 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No bilateral talks and sovereignty transfer is not on any agenda.
Yeesh!
Why is the Arg ambassador to the U.S, in the U.S., making politically charged statements about the UK and the Falklands?
Sep 07th, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unrelated political grandstanding...
I don't understand argies. International law says the Islands are British.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argieland and argies can, legally, be obliterated anytime.
The Falkland Islands will NOT be relinquished. They will pass from British sovereignty to Falklands sovereignty. And argieland can be obliterated anytime.
The word negotiation is key, and as Cecilia Nahón says, the world is walking on that direction. Better have your eyes open to reality than be surprised at the last minute.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 024. You, and that woman are soooo dumb. We dont need advice from anyone least of all Argies squatting in friendly Commonwealth countries. Hypocrite! Go home.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 024 Enrique,
Sep 07th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British and the Falklanders were , “surprised at the last minute” by Argentina, in 1982.
They have their eyes open now.
Is that what you mean?
Are you alluding to a threat from Argentina if sovereignty of the Falklands is not ceded to them?
It is in the Argentine constitution that the Arg government MUST obtain sovereignty-is this “negotiation”?
How do the educated people of contemporary Argentina feel about this?
Or do you not know?
All Argentina Is Saying Is Give Dialogue a Chance,
Sep 07th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ok ok, lets talk abt this Patagonia then.Give Dialogue a Chance
All Britain is saying back is “get stuffed”.
Sep 07th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely thats enough dialogue for anyone.
The word negotiation is key
Sep 07th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She [ CFK ] talks to herself in the mirror everyday,, what more do you want.lol
Where is this on Huff Post? I can't find it anywhere!
Sep 07th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In answer to this silly woman and her idiot claims:
Ban Ki-Moon stated ‘I don’t think Security Council Members (UK) are violating relevant UN resolutions. The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their own future. And that is the main criteria of the main UN bodies. Having independence or having some kind of government in the territories. I don’t think it’s an abuse of relevant UN resolutions.'
I've also searched the history books and find no indication that Argentines were expelled from the Islands in 1833, nor were they “invaded”.
They live in cuckoo land,
Sep 07th, 2015 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0every day they imaging things that just don't exist.
Enrique,
Sep 08th, 2015 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Facts
You had the chance of talks in London- Your Foreign Minister ran away instead!
Our Elected Assembly members gave your President a writtenoffer of talks when they met at the UN- She refrused to accept.
Prior to our referendum Argentina was offered the option of sending a delegation to explain their case and proposals before we voted - they never came.
Get a life little chap and stop living in fantasialand.
Enrique lives in Alberta - same thing.
Sep 08th, 2015 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Enri the world is negotiating in order to avoid war, that is what the world is negotiating. They are not negotiating because some little impotent, dictacrat demends a negotiation.
Sep 08th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders are sick of hearing the rants of the crazies in Argentina,
I am sick of hearing and so are many others. Tell your imbecile leaders to take them to court if they will not negotiate.
Because someone demands a negotiation does not need that their is a rational cause for one. I can make a better claim for Cuba being the USA's the Argentina owning the Falkland's. Hell, American's fought and died for Cuba's fight against Spain....AND, American's taxpayer's money bought and paid for the island's independence. Do us all a favor old man.....hurry up and die or go back to Argentina. You are nothing more than a groveling hypocrite sucking off Canada's overly generous tit.
Go back to Argentina or shut your mouth......practice what you preach.
#34 Cptn Poppy
Sep 08th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Islanders are sick of hearing the rants of the crazies in Argentina.”
I know there is a human cost in all of this. Britain brought people to live in the islands and now the Islanders are feeling the uneasiness of living in a disputed territory.
However, I trust the transition can be done with minimum disruption. The U.K. should be able to take back those who would like to live under the British flag, and Argentina should offer advantageous conditions to those wanting to stay, including citizenship.
Hey, you can't beat living in the islands within a stone's throw of Buenos Aires and Mar del Plata!
Argentina giving back to the original inhabitants.
Sep 08th, 2015 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know there is a human cost in all of this. Spain brought people to live in the Americas illegally and now the Argentines are feeling the uneasiness of living in a disputed territory.
However, I trust the transition can be done with minimum disruption
in handing the stolen country back.
Why would the people of the Falklands give to Argentina what is rightfully theirs? You know as well as I do that the Falklands makes NO NEWS whatsoever in North America. In fact, in the USA the only knowledge of the Falklands is basically.....that rock the Brits kicked ass over. Now, the most liberal rag in the USA is calling Nahon and her RG cohorts “bullshitters”. You've lost before anyone in the USA even knows what's going on there.
Sep 08th, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Amb. Nahón claimed that the UK refuses to enter negotiations about issues other than sovereignty. But it is untrue. The UK has simply said that Islanders need to be involved in any discussions, and we have extended numerous invitations to talk to the Government of Argentina. These go unacknowledged. In February 2013 then- British Foreign Secretary Hague agreed to meet with the Foreign Minister of Argentina in London. Timerman refused to attend because my colleague and I, as elected members of the Falkland Islands Government, were present. The empty chair at that meeting speaks volumes about the sincerity of Argentina's call for dialogue.”
What kind of negotiating you RG's perform?
No thoughts on my statement of claims to Cuba being the USA's?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jan-cheek/dont-be-fooled-by-dialogu_b_8102580.html
I am starting to think that, despite my family connections, Argentina or at least you peronist idiots, should get you asses kicked just because.
@35: “Hey, you can't beat living in the islands within a stone's throw of Buenos Aires and Mar del Plata!” How far? You must have some throw if you can do that! If that's how you measure distances, France belongs to the UK! It's more than 300 miles to the coast of S. America and a thousand miles to Buenos Aires!
Sep 08th, 2015 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The population came here by choice. So did I and my wife. We weren't transported here like you Argentines. How many times do you have to be told the truth and when will you stop believing the garbage that comes out of your government's collective mouth?
@35
Sep 08th, 2015 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does a country that is broke and corrupt offer “advantageous conditions” to anyone except the corrupt leaders?
Troll
Sep 08th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders are our brothers and sisters.They fell no unease as they have the British armed forces backing them up all the way,
Please remember that the 4 Typhoon fighters have 8 missiles each.That will take out all but 1 of your 1950,s designed Skyhawks.
Our Astute and Trafalgar class submarines could take out your entire Navy with Tomohawk missiles from 300 miles east of Stanley.
So please please have a go!
The islanders have more to fear from Penguins than your pathetic country.
Come on Quique.........typing fingers cramping up?
Sep 09th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Enrique
Sep 09th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain brought people to live in the islands and now the Islanders are feeling the uneasiness of living in a disputed territory.”
Exactly how many men did HMS Clio and HMS Tyne leave behind in January 1833 then?
How many British sailors (the majority of Pinedo's crew) were kicked out in 1833?
The british goverment should cut all ties and break of relations with Argentina and get this over with,
Sep 09th, 2015 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it will save going thought the pain later,
you just cant keep on feeding these delinquent children,
tell them to either grow up or break all ties with them.
@43 Briton,
Sep 10th, 2015 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Completely agree.
Stop playing games with them, a clean break, then ignore them.
In the top photo:
Sep 10th, 2015 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't decide if Cecilia looks more like a younger Christopher Lambert or a hatchet?
Crazy British and Argentinians taking their argument to the pages of HP will change nothing. The fact is that the UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Sep 11th, 2015 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's wrong with dialogue? Yes please, the world needs the UK and Argentina to talk. But . . .
Sep 11th, 2015 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0- Since 1974 Argentina has refused to discuss anything except the transfer of sovereignty.
- In 1994 the Argentine constitution was amended to make the Falklands an integral part of Argentina's territory, diplomats are now constitutionally barred from negotiating anything but the transfer of sovereignty.
- Argentina has persistently refuse to include the Falkland Islanders in any discussion even though the UN has repeatedly suggested that self determination is a principle that cannot be denied.
- the last time either party made a formal invitation for negotiations, as opposed to a rhetorical invitation without any intention of actually sitting down, was in February 2013 when the British formally requested talks when Argentine foreign minister Timmerman was in Europe drumming up support for Argentina's position. Timmerman refused.
- In 1978 Argentina refused to be bound by the decision of an international tribunal over the Beagle Channel dispute because it didn't go her way.
- In 1979 Argentina refused the findings of a papal council on that same dispute. How can we assume that Argentina would abide by a decision of the ICJ if it handed sovereignty to the British?
And finally, what is with South Georgia, South Sandwich and South Orkney Islands. They were never Spanish (indeed are in the Portuguese sector under Tordesillas), never Argentinian and have always been British. They aren't even on the continental shelf. That is a colonial land grab pure and simple.
Last year you said 25 years and 2013 you said 25 years.........a rolling 25 years no doubt. 2016......25 years, 2017....25 years.............2018.....
Sep 11th, 2015 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Sep 11th, 2015 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cap it's because Hepatia lives in 'wonderland' where the red queen said 'jam yesterday and jam tomorrow' which of course means no jam today.
Or it could be related to a notice that used to be frequent in British & Irish pubs - ”free beer tomorrow'
Assholes like her(?) have said that so often no Iran is saying 25 years about Israel.
Sep 11th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0((Laughter))....I really cant help it....Is this silly bitch on some thing...?..I mean..come on now just more of the same tired old bullshit....besides that the only thing I have noticed...She is just as ugly as any other Argie worn out old broad looking for her 15 minutes of fame...!
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