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Argentine province court orders new governor elections, annulling 23 August polls

Thursday, September 17th 2015 - 10:10 UTC
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The Administrative Court of the Argentine northern province of Tucuman has ordered fresh elections for governor, annulling the polls which took place on August 23, in which a close ally of Cristina Fernandez and former Healthcare minister, Juan Manzur allegedly won by a considerable margin. Read full article

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  • ChrisR

    Good grief, the argies are doing the right thing.

    Must be a bad day for TMBOA, this AND a judge demanding truthful answers to poverty and the like.

    “How dare these people question the carefully craft lies I tell” you can imagine TMBOA saying.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Can you imagine being in the same room right now as la kretina? Oh...the gnashing of teeth and the pulling of hair...must be quite a scene.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I honesty don't think they had any choice. The overwhelming stench of corruption and the refusal by people to accept the result forced their hand. See, Argentines, never forget you have the real power.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    1 ChrisR
    So suddenly, for Chris, the “argies” are doing the right thing!
    No more “korrupt” justice, no more government's commanding the agenda, no nothing! Thanks a lot for positively reviewing Argentina, Chris.
    Anyway. If this ruling is confirmed in appeal (some of its considerations for it were based on journalistic articles) both contenders have lost their wins and a new election will take place, with extreme safeguards for the ballots.
    And the sovereign will, once again, speak.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    ...and of course the government is now trying to sack the two judges.

    Doing the right thing gets punished in Argentina.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    The Kirchner-scumbags are now threatening with “an intervention in Tucumán”. That's right, cowards - show us your true colors! Democracy my a**.

    Had the opposition not been so hapless, they would all have been in jail, just like Leopoldo López.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @4

    Have you ever imagined Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Chavez or Maduro losing an election and surrendering the power to a successor?

    Peronist Party, with the leading of CFK, will not surrender the power of ruling the country. Never !!!!....it see it quite clear now....

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 4 Kiki MPH

    I say it as I see it because I don't lie.

    Are you saying that I am wrong and there is corruption (note the spelling) after all?

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (4) Exactly Enrique

    As a matter of fact I would wish that the Peronists wouldn' even appeal and a new provincial election be called ASAP...

    The winner would be the same, with an even ampler margin...

    AND... that would totally destroy the ONLY strategy the right wing seems to have for the October presidential election, that is...: “Crying Wolf”...

    Saludos sureños...
    El Think...

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @9@4

    Think

    I totally agree with you. New elections should be held in Tucuman. That is the only right thing to do.

    Saludos porteños ...
    El Tarquin.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    The K's clearly won't let that (new elections) happen, Alporivich has now stated that, in fact, it is impossible (!)

    The few of you on this board that STILL supports this criminal, corrupt, anti-democratic and Venezuela-bound government:

    - Are you 100% sure that you are not committing the biggest mistake of your lives (supporting the Ks)?

    Just think about the 100 millions of people before you who believed in Communism, Fascism, Maoism, Pol Potism, Chavism etc, etc

    What make you better suited to not commit the same error as these people did?

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @11
    Jonaz,

    If they don't let a new election to happen, it will show their real face. If Tucuman gets an intervention we might probably be looking at the first spark of a civil war.

    They've still got the appeals to the provincial and national supreme courts. They will try to pressure the judges first. They know the last thing they want to do is an intervention.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @4. Oh yeah. And which “sovereign” spoke the last time? Seems like the Kirchner ship is sinking.

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tik Tok

    Amazing when the winning party who are corrupt cry corruption themselves. What a complete bunch of twits

    Sep 17th, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Since MP won't publish it: Have this board' distinguished writer heard about Fernando Niembro, main candidate in the race for national deputy for the province of Buenos Aires?
    Niembro resigned his candidacy after it was revealed his production company, La Usina, was awarded over pesos 21 million in contracts by the Buenos Aires City government.
    Dropping the candidate has been interpreted as an admission of guilt by presidential candidate and current Bs. As. city governor Mauricio Macri, under whose watch those contracts were awarded and never disclosed in the official bulletin as the law requires.
    So much for the alleged and never proved “korruption.”
    Saludos a los amigos de Bs. As. y del sur.

    Sep 18th, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @15

    I totally understood your post, and the message implied, that is: “we are all corrupt people”.

    Let me add that Peronism , FPV and CFK have some rare priviledges in a western republican country: they are protecting the first former president found guiltly, and sentenced, in argentine history (Carlos Menem); they are protecting the first vice-president in activity being processed in argentine history (Amado Boudou); they have the first son of a president in activity processed for money laundering and tax evasion in argentine history (Maximo K); they had the first Economy Minister found guilty and sentenced in argentine history.

    In addition, CFK is the first argentine president in activity officially accused by an official prosecutor of destruction, and concealment, of the evidence of a terrorist attack with the with the aggravating that the prosecutor (Alberto Nisman) was found assasinated.

    Summing up, it is quite evident that Fernando Niembro is involved in a corruption case but, as in any decent country, he was forced to quit the party.

    Unfortunately for you: FPV is an association for crime. PRO is a regular democratic party with some corrup people inside

    Sep 18th, 2015 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @Enrique

    You are right about the whole “Niembro” affair. That whole thing stinks. You're also right about that story never getting published here or just being briefly commented in TN. Macri sucks. So does “Yoli” and the whole FPV apparatus.

    Want to hear more? George Clooney was also involved with the “vote” buying business in Tucuman. That is precisely the reason why people should go to the polls again.

    Sep 18th, 2015 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    La Campora thugs surrounding the courthouse and threatening the judges. Hope they aren't suicided!

    Have the Ks not realised that when you are in a hole it is not a good idea to keep digging?

    Sep 18th, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #16 pgerman
    I did not mention alleged corruption on Macri's side as a way to condone alleged corruption on the FpV side.
    The courts still have to issue rulings on the cases you mentioned, including two previous processes against Macri.
    However, Macri and the rest of the opposition have made a case of accusing the Kirchnerism of being “korrupt,” as they say.
    You would expect their conduct to be totally honest. The contracts with no competition and other sums of money “lost” in black holes seem to be cracking their image.
    Meanwhile, the latest poll notes that Daniel Scioli has slightly over 40 per cent of vote intentions, while Macri and Co. go under 30.
    That explains the opposition's desperation and their decision to win or else.

    Sep 18th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @19

    Enrique,

    One side is “Korrupt”, the other side has been “PROcessed” ...

    So what?

    A court has ruled that people should vote again in Tucuman. The court hasn't ruled that the opposition won.

    Sep 18th, 2015 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #20 Tarquin
    Indeed, two judges ruled a new election must happen in Tucuman.
    However, both the ruling and its reasons are grossly irregular and totally unprecedented. By seeking this ruling, the opposition sought to gain legitimacy it could not obtain through the ballots and discredit its rivals.
    The judges have ignored a clear majority result that could not be changed by any possible amount of fraud. By doing that, their ruling quashes the popular vote.
    The judges may have stepped over the Election Authority commission's authority.
    The foundation for their ruling lays on opposition media articles--something that has no judicial validity.
    As it should, an appeal is in course, and rigorous analysis should overturn this joke of a decision.

    Sep 19th, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @19

    Enrique, you, like all the peronist/fascist don't understand what you don't want to understand.

    While it is impossible to have a government, or a party, totally “corruption free” the difference is that FPV is totally corrupted from the lowest levels to the top levels (former president, vice-president, president, son of the president, Ministry of Economy, etc)....

    Yes, Scioli seems to be first in the poll notes but...Who cares?...if he is not the most voted they can cheat the election as FPV did in Tucuman. As Benito Mussolini or Adolf Hitler I have never immagined FPV accepting an electoral triumph of the opposition....it is simply impossble...it isn't in FPV nature or ADN.

    Sep 20th, 2015 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #22 German
    ”As Benito Mussolini or Adolf Hitler I have never immagined FPV accepting an electoral triumph of the opposition....it is simply impossble...it isn't in FPV nature or ADN (DNA).”
    Dear German. You are either ignoring history or trying to be deceptive. I hope it's the former.
    If there is a tradition of the Victory Front is the acceptance of electoral defeats.
    I will give you just one example and please feel free to cite any case backing up your claim.
    In 2009, former president Néstor Kirchner ran for governor of the Province of Buenos Aires. He lost--for the narrow margin of...two per cent!
    He recognized defeat on the same night of the election. There is abundant online material about that night--you can read a sample by following the link below:
    http://www.andina.com.pe/agencia/noticia-nestor-kirchner-reconoce-derrota-electoral-y-afirma-no-hay-dramatizar-240476.aspx
    Let me add something:
    It's well known that Juan Perón admired Benito Mussolini and adopted some of his practices. However, no serious person has attempted to label Kircherism as fascist or Nazi. If you believe that just mentioning the hated names of Hitler or Mussolini you may convince anyone, think again. Anybody can type key words and look for the appropriate resources online. I suggest you do the same to avoid ridiculing yourself.
    Opposition is a very useful part of democracy. However, the same as a party in power, opposition must be credible to get results. For example, Macri spoke of corruption for years and now we learn he gave away millions in unpublished, sole source, contracts to his friend and (former) head candidate to the Legislature, Fernando Niembro.
    And that is just one example.

    Sep 21st, 2015 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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