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'Cristina Fernandez 2019' and a Scioli 'constructive transition' burst into the presidential campaign

Wednesday, September 23rd 2015 - 06:55 UTC
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Estela de Carlotto, the president of Argentina's Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo human rights organization, considered Daniel Scioli a “faithful and different man” whose triumph in the October presidential elections could pave the way for a “constructive transition” toward the “return of Cristina” Fernández to power in four years time. Read full article

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  • Skip

    Please, please, please, please, please, please, please!

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    How many more Nismans will it take?

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    All good news for the Falklands - makes our foreign policy plans so simple and easy to continue.

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    TMBOA returning to the presidency?

    Ha, ha, ha.

    This old twat is clearly off her rocker.

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Fuck, I just spat coffee all over my keyboard when I read these headlines!

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    God help us...

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Been expecting to hear that.

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    ... and this, ladies and gents, is the true face of these so-called “human rights supporters”, nothing but boosters-for-hire who turned their alleged pain into a lucrative mask.

    They make me sick.

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    As a result of the public declarations of the woman, sent by CFK to said this, Daniel Scioli will start a policial campaign against CFK and her people since the very first moment he stats ruling the country (if he wins).

    It will be a very nice spectacle to an internal fight among peronists...some poeple (like Nisman) might commit suicide.....

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    I love reading this kind of news just to see the gallery becoming apoplectic.
    In addition, a return of Cristina in 2019 would make perfect sense, especially when you see the sort of crooks that are vying to replace kirchnerism!

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @10

    Stop dreaming Enrique. Stop hating. Nobody other than CFK is responsible for her failure as a president of Argentina.

    TG we are a republic (against the will of peronist/fascist that wanted to change it) our National Constitution protects our people from those who want to rule the country forever. CFK has only less than two months of ruling the country and them she will be part of history (and certainly not the best part of our country).

    In addition, once Scioli catches “la caja” all Peronist/fascist will follow him and accept his orders a dogs. As it has always been with Peronism/fascism.

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Enrique; you probably haven't heard that thanks to this bloody woman and her corrupt government the Central Bank is now bankrupt. Kudos to them for busting what is a wonderful country

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    CFK will not be coming back as the country has no money left to steal. I truly feel sorry for the next president of Argentina as he will have a mountain to climb. A bit like in the UK when Labour left office they left a note saying that there was no money left.

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @12

    Yes you are right. The current monetary base in U$D (at the offcial forex rate) is U$D 58.000 millions (this is the pasive of the Central Bank) but the “nominal” reserves are U$D 33.000 millions (this is the active of the Central Bank)...it seems that there are U$D 25.000 million missing.

    In addtion, the “real” reserves are between U$D 20.000 millions and U$D 15.000 millions....so a mega-devaluation is awating for argentine people and workers.

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mick23

    Clear evidence of senile dementia....!

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    the dream of many of her ministers and advisors

    ooo, how the puppies will miss their master.

    Sep 23rd, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    As long as any next president slowly continues implementing the establishment of modern day Sakoku in Argentina, then I will welcome their leadership.

    Sep 24th, 2015 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Sakoku (鎖国?, “locked country”) was the foreign relations policy of Japan under which no foreigner could enter nor could any Japanese leave the country on penalty of death

    bad news for argies that want to go on holiday then..lol

    Sep 24th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    @18
    You forgot why Sakoku was needed:

    In 1647 Portuguese warships attempted to enter Nagasaki, and had to be stopped by 900 Japanese boats.

    In 1778, a merchant from Yakutsk arrived in Hokkaidō with a small expedition.

    In 1787, Jean-François de Galaup navigated in Japanese waters. He visited the Ryūkyū islands and the strait between Hokkaidō and Sakhalin, naming it after himself.

    In 1791, two American ships commanded by the American explorer John Kendrick, the first known American to visit Japan, arrived. He apparently planted an American flag and claimed the islands.

    In 1792 the Russian subject Adam Laxman visited the island of Hokkaido.

    From 1797 to 1809, several American ships traded in Nagasaki under the Dutch flag.

    Another American captain John Derby of Salem, tried in vain to open Japan to the opium trade.

    In 1801, Spanish vessels and troops attempted to set up a supply base at Mirakoyima, and held the area for about 4 months before deciding to abandon the enterprise.

    In 1804, the Russian expedition around the world by captain Adam Johann von Krusenstern reached Nagasaki. The Russians attacked Sakhalin and the Kuril islands, prompting the Bakufu to build up defences in Ezo.

    In 1808, the British frigate HMS Phaeton, preying on Dutch shipping, sailed into Nagasaki under a Dutch flag, demanding and obtaining supplies by force of arms.

    In 1811, the Russian naval lieutenant Vasily Golovnin landed on Kunashiri Island, and was arrested by the Bakufu and imprisoned for 2 years.

    In 1830, the Bonin Islands, claimed by Japan but uninhabited, were settled by American Nathaniel Savory, who landed on the island of Chichijima and formed the first colony.

    In 1844, a French naval expedition under Captain Fornier-Duplan visited Okinawa on April 28, 1844.

    In 1848, Half-Scottish/Half-Chinook Ranald MacDonald pretended to be shipwrecked on the island of Rishiri.
    --

    As I always say... EUians will be EUians!!

    Sep 24th, 2015 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Viva la perronistas!

    Kswine forever!

    lol

    Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekie go home!

    Sep 24th, 2015 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I can't see it. CFK is plagued by ill health, at least whenever there is a disaster in Argentina and she has to take to her bed.

    It is possible she will return if it looks as if she may be facing criminal charges and she has lost control of the judiciary.

    Enrique, you only have two month to get back to your beloved homeland whilst your idol is still in power. Surely you can afford a ticket by now.

    Sep 24th, 2015 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    19
    nice history lesson,

    and very informative,
    but what has it got to do with CFK of present Argentina.

    Sep 24th, 2015 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Sakoku

    Bahahahaha oh the joys that an Argentinean education give me in the morning.

    The Sakoku was implemented to reduce and eliminate SPANISH influence.

    Spanish colonialism meant the introduction of Catholicism and the reduction of natives to subjunctivism so they could be exploited and wealth extracted.

    Hence Argentina's existence.

    Sakoku failed spectacularly. By cutting themselves off, Japan failed to advance and incorporate new technologies. Eventually they were unable to resist the technologically advanced nations that forced them bow to their demands even though that had been militarily equal for centuries before.

    So please Nostils help to implement your autarkic dreams. Sakoku is perfect.

    And in 100 years when every current Argentinean is dead, the most advanced nations of the world (that would be the west - including Japan) will forceable open your country up and pretty much do whatever we wish.

    The one thing we won't be doing is to replace the Argentinean education system. Because frankly that works too much in our favour.

    Sep 24th, 2015 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    Hahahaha, just because the Spanish where first in messing around Japan, does not mean Sakoku was implemented specifically against the Spanish Empire you Ozzer! Had it been England, or France, or any other lousy EUian same thing would have happened and you know it. It was both religion and economic trade the Shogun was concerned about.

    As for “forceable” opening.... so what happened to Self-Determination??

    I rest my case.

    Anglos will be Anglos, EUians will be EUians, Jappers will be Jappers, NorthAmoans will be NorthAmoans, Ozzers will be Ozzers, Sinosians will be Sinosians, Brazzos will be Brazzos, and all the rest of the damn foreigers will be like that... DISONEST, CORRUPT, WICKED fiends.

    Sep 25th, 2015 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Who said the English and French weren't around?

    Also didn't mention self-determination, just the consequence of Sakoku on a country. At least my education allows me to realise that self-determination was not an international law or concept at that time.

    Argentinean will be Argentinean...... is there a point to pointing out the obvious that each country is inhabited?

    Perhaps there is, but as I don't have an Argentinean education I am not aware of it.

    Sep 25th, 2015 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    If you have not noticed, while the UK opens more consulates and increases relations with all our neighbors, and EU increases trade links and tries to sign accords, the UK has made ZERO inroads into Argentina, as has the EU.

    If you are so essential to life as we know it, how come Argentina just wants nothing to do with either of them?

    UK and EU can trade and open a trillion offices but without Argentina it's futile to have completion. And you are not going to get it of course.

    Sep 25th, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Hey coratroll...are you and brasshead one and the same? Maybe think too??

    Sep 25th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    the UK has made ZERO inroads into Argentina, as has the EU.

    and your point is what.

    the British Falkland's are still British, and Argentina are still the losers.

    Sep 25th, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Great_coral_aTrolL : Dear oh dear!!!!! have you got a load of manure between your ears!!!!!!

    Sep 25th, 2015 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    28 Briton

    Nostrils @26 states,

    “the UK has made ZERO inroads into Argentina, as has the EU.”

    Does he not realize that if they want those goods now, they cannot get them without buying them from a neighbour

    Brazil, Uruguay, and Chile, will happily add a % to the price, for themselves.

    Without competition from EU or UK suppliers, the SA or Chinese vendors can flog inferior products to Argentina, and gouge them good.

    China probably makes good money on the goods alone, but even more so, by supplying one-sided financing, knowing full well
    Arg. can't get credit elsewhere.

    Sep 25th, 2015 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Wow!

    The U.K. has increased commercial, social and diplomatic relationships deeper elsewhere other than Argentina.........

    It is a amazing to see what an Argentinean education makes of that!

    AUTARKY

    Except it isn't.

    Sep 25th, 2015 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Trouble is, Argentina's hatred for us is blinding them.

    Sep 26th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @32

    Truth of the matter is not so many people in this country are aware of the connection between London and the independence wars in south am.

    Sep 27th, 2015 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    33. You are absolutely correct

    Sep 27th, 2015 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    London did absolutely nothing, repeat, NOTHING, in Argentina's independence war.

    In Chile and Uruguay, and other parts of South America? Yes, I am aware. But that came after, in 1818-1822 (Chile and Peru), and Uruguay (1826). Argentina did it all on her own, against the European powers trying to steal our territory.

    Sep 27th, 2015 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    35 Nostrils/Brassiero

    “ Argentina did it all on her own, against the European powers trying to steal our territory.”

    I'm sure Simon Bolivar, the Amerindians that lived there, the African slaves and the Spanish, would all have something to say about that.

    Why have you lost everything to the Chinese?

    Sep 27th, 2015 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    Your CommentPlease tell me what Simon Bolivar accomplished in the Argentine independence war.

    Sep 27th, 2015 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    37

    You know everything - outline Arg history of Independence and 1800's expansion - should be good for a laugh

    waiting....

    Sep 27th, 2015 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    33 Tarquin Fin

    Truth of the matter is not so many people in this country are aware of the connection/

    You may be right, but this is purely down to the argentine government, is it not.

    Great_coral_aTrolL
    London did absolutely nothing, repeat, NOTHING, in Argentina's independence war,

    On a lighter note,
    Please note,
    1, Argentina did nothing absolutely nothing to help us in our independence war against the Normans, ??

    2, now you know ,,or should do,, what its like to be invaded,
    We did not like it,
    You did not like it,
    And the Falk landers don’t like it.

    And yes,, its Sunday..

    Sep 27th, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    The idea of crossing the Andes was already developed by Masonic lodges in England seeking the independence of South America, and was part of the Maitland Plan designed by Thomas Maitland. San Martín learned of it during his brief time in Britain, before sailing to South America. After becoming aware of the difficulty of attacking the royalist stronghold of Lima across Upper Peru, he decided to proceed with such a plan.

    Sep 27th, 2015 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @40 Yes, that idea did was not original to San Martin. However, it was highly regarded as impossible and San Martin had little to no support from BA and he accomplished the task by raising funds amongst Mendoza, San Juan and Santiago (yes, that is Chile) patriots.

    @39 Briton

    I'm not sure if my words came across the way I wanted. I didn't mean to portray the London connection as negative. Quite the opposite, the whole of the Viceroyalty was prey of Spanish imperial castration and San Martin et al. were lucky enough to be exposed to some very liberating ideas. That on itself wasn't enough. Belgrano -a mere lawyer with very limited military training-and others had helped to sow some very “liberating” ideas amongst the intellectual segments of the city.
    On the other hand, of course, some British commercial interests got involved. They clearly wanted to scoop out the Spaniards from the Pampas and open up some additional trade streams. Nothing wrong with that either.

    Sep 29th, 2015 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    41 Tarquin Fin
    i understand what you are saying, thanks

    Sep 29th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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