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Cameron rules out reparations for slave trade and urges Caribbean countries to 'move on'

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Prime Minister David Cameron has ruled out making reparations for Britain's role in the historic slave trade and urged Caribbean countries to “move on”. Cameron acknowledged that “these wounds run very deep” during his visit to Jamaica, where he faced calls to apologize from campaigners. Read full article


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  • Stevie

    It's only when they invent something they are all responsible...

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Horrible as the slave trade was, would the Jamaicans of African descent rather live in Africa OR are they much better off where they are now ?
    I don't see any evidence of boat loads heading for Senegal, Gambia, Nigeria or any other west African state.

    As to compensation, how far back in history do we go. Do we demand from the Romans, Scandinavians, N.Africans compensation for enslaving Britons and selling them in slave markets. African tribes made a fortune out of slavery of neighbouring tribes. The Arabs are still at it.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Well, at some point Europe stopped sacking Africa for human beings, never did they stop the sacking of natural ressources...

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I want compensation for the misery inflicted on my ancestors by those ghastly Romans when they invaded. I'm pretty sure I'd be landed gentry if they hadn't stolen it all.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Oh I didn't realise Britain INVENTED slavery.

    Must have missed that class....... or perhaps I just have a better education and know more.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Like I said, Skip, you are only collectively responsible when you invent stuff.
    Like ilsen inventing electricity.
    Chris inventing www.
    London inventing oxygen... you know....

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Stevie inventing idiocy………

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Now, that one is personal...
    I change my statement.

    You lot are collectively responsible only when you invent good stuff.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    So, Argentina, Brazil , etc.did not rape, colonise most of S. America?
    How come most of S.America speak Spanish or Portuguese.
    They, by and large, cut out the middle men by enslaving or slaughtering the indigenous peoples . Get real !!

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Well, I have no issues at all spitting on my ancestors graves for doing what they did...

    Get real yourelf.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Corbyn making the right call again. An apology is free and could mean so much to the memory of those who were enslaved.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @3. Seem to recall the Romans sacking Britain for tin, lead and gold. Should be billions there from the Italians. On to the Scandinavians. Pretty worthless. Only went for metals already mined and refined. But more billions there. Then Ireland can pay for its depredations. Iceland can pay for the fish it stole. The French can pay adequate compensation for the land it stole. Maybe the best will be spain. Having signed a treaty, it then proceeded to breach it. Each breach (siege) should be worth €1 billion per day. And how much for the unlicensed and illegal spanish seabed raking in British Gibraltar Territorial Waters? Rogue criminal state spain likes to proclaim the 1713 Treaty of Ubrecht. Why doesn't it ever mention the 1958 UNCLOS?
    @6. The spanish inventing concentration camps in 1868 in Cuba?

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    “... that the money could be provided in the form of debt relief.”

    ahhh, now we get to the truth....

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Trying to correct serious imbalances in today, whose roots go back to that period, which many do, is a legitimate responsibility and a moral duty for countries that were involved in that horror.

    Asking people today to accept responsibility and pay reparations for something that ended 200 years before they were born, because they are white, is simply racist.

    If Barrack’s Grandfather’s, Grandfather’s, Grandfather’s, first cousin had slaves, would they be asking him about an apology.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    So Britain ISN'T responsible for all the slavery in the Americas?

    Always difficult to get to the point Stevie never actually seems to make.

    Well Jamaicans it could have been worse, you could have ended up in Argentina and pretty much just disappear from history.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    As much as you are responsible for inventing electricity, Skippy :)

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Evil Colonialist Pirate

    Can these money-grubbing opportunists actually provide anyone who was personally held in servitude by the British Empire? No? Then try improving your own country for a change rather than just whinging about something that happened to your ancestors 200 years ago.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Away I get it now Stevie.

    So Britain neither invented nor were the only one responsible for slavery.

    Thanks for clarifying that.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    If David Cameron wants Caribbean countries to 'move on' I suggest apologising for Britain's role in the slave trade might be just what they need to do just that. As to financial compensation...forget about it. It will never happen and it's just not worth worrying about - investing time and energy in a fruitless cause is just another way of keeping their angst alive.

    It occurs to me that it must be a rather surreal experience meeting a descendant of someone who once owned your ancestor and benefited financially from it. Even if it was 200 years ago.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Britain, as any other state, never invents anything, nor is it capable of trading any slaves.
    The people responsible of trading slaves where those trading slaves, and those who benefitted from such activities.
    The achievements in the area of invention is the inventors alone, although you to, as any other, benefits from this other kind of activity.
    You see Skip, you didn't trade any slaves, nor did you invent anything.
    You are responsible of neither.

    Heisen, it must be indeed, just the thought of having vermin blood in ones vein makes one cringe... At least history will spit forever on their legacy.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    Not 'vermin blood' Stevie. Just ordinary human blood, with all that entails...

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I spit on it likewise

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    Whatever turns you on Stevie, it's your saliva after all. Empathy is more productive than vitriol though, if my experience is worth anything.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Well, you have a lot of experience discarding the other options... (Why discontinue a good bashing)


    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    Stevie, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Never heard a Brit say that before...

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    Not a Brit kiddo.

    Oct 01st, 2015 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Sorry, I don't keep track... All I remember is that Anglolatino was South African.
    You think he owes any apologies?

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    I dunno Stevie, why don't you ask this Anglolatino dude, whoever that is?

    p.s. Have you been dipping into your stash? This 'discussion' is getting weird.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Can we start a charity fund, to buy Stevie a lifetime supply of adult diapers? So he can stop crapping himself all-over MercoPress?

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Skip is South African....?
    I thought he was from OZ....
    Could be worse...he could be dipping into your stash....;-)

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext


    Doubtful...unless he likes smoking White Ox.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pcIV

    “He said Britain's role in wiping slavery “off the face of our planet” should be remembered”

    is that an irony?
    a bad joke?

    britain invented modern slavery.
    and even when it was “abolished” the crimes committed by that joke of british empire in the colonies were countless.

    maybe fatty camoron should read this:
    Britain destroyed records of colonial crimes

    and this:
    Deny the British empire's crimes? No, we ignore them

    and shut it permanently

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    I'm South African?

    Wow I feel so cosmopolitan all of a sudden. Well guess my Grand Final barbie is now a braai.

    What am I saying!!!!!!

    I obviously don't follow AFL but RUGBY!! Rugby......... leeeeague..... or maybe it's Union?!?!?!

    Wow being South African has bought nothing but confusion to my weekend!

    Anyway, glad to see that no country ever invented anything and no country ever traded slaves...... or am I still confused?

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @19 Heigsenburgcontext

    Should Britain also apologise for ending the slave trade? Which we did, and forced other countries to do too? After the Battle of Waterloo, the victors (which usually asked for large swathes of land and/or money in those days), being the British only asked for recognition of land that they already held, and the ABOLISHMENT of the slave trade. Britain had already abolished it internally.

    In fact the UK almost went to war with the US because the RN intercepted slave ships headed to the Americas and freed the people aboard them.

    @33 paulie no 4 (got kicked off again did you?)

    Britain didn't invent modern slavery, you dolt. Modern means today, or recently, and there is plenty of slavery still ongoing in the world, much of it in the middle east and Africa.

    200 years ago the 1st European nation to involve itself in the slave trade was....the Netherlands! And they moved in on an already established slave trade in West Africa, where one tribe would raid an enemy tribe, capture people and then sell them to anyone who would pay.

    Prior to European involvement the main buyers for these slaves were the Muslims in North Africa.

    So you can't even get any of that right.

    Oh, and if you really want to make a valid point don't quote the Guardian. It's facts are usually as accurate as INDECs figures. Surely if what the Guardian stated where true there would be other, more reliable and qualified sources you could draw upon?

    I wait with baited breath.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @35 LEPRecon

    I have no opinion whether the British Govt should or should not apologise to Jamaican citizens who are the descendants of slaves transported from Africa. It's up to them.

    But just because Britain ended it's involvement with the slave trade and just because it nearly engaged in armed conflict with the USA, and just because it demanded the loser of The Battle of Waterloo end it's own involvement in slavery, and just because it apologised for Britain's involvement in slavery...doesn't necessarily mean it has taken full responsibility for that involvement.

    12 000 000 humans were transported from Africa to the New World. Britain's share was 3.4 million, only the Portuguese exceeded that number. It lasted for 245 years and both in numbers of people and commerce dwarfs any comparable slave trade. It helped finance the industrial revolution and the Bank of England. The number of deaths occuring during transportation is estimated at 1.2 - 2.4 million, not including those who died soon after arriving in their new country, or those who died evading capture in their country of residence.

    Put it this way: were I David Cameron and aware of my own families' involvement in this great crime, apologising, directly, to the the Jamaican people for what my ancestors did to their's would be a priority.

    But that's just me and I don't expect either David Cameron or the British Govt. to share my values.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    There you are, Anglolatino!
    You are not confused. In your rainbowy world, you managed to get it right. No country has ever invented anything, nor has any country ever traded with human beings. It was some people representing those countries.
    Just like it isn't South Africa's fault somebody, regardless origin, spit you out.

    I hope this clarifies a lot.

    Heisen, now you are talking like a human being!
    Setting guilt, origin and inventions aside, focusing on the solution. Beautiful!

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @36 Heisenbergcontext

    Was David Cameron personally involved in the slave trade?

    Were any of the current Jamaican people held in slavery by David Cameron?

    The answer is no.

    Why should the UK apologise for something that happened before anyone in the UK was born, and a time that had different morals and standards? I don't expect Germans who weren't alive during the second world war to apologise for it and the terrible crimes that were committed. Why should they? It wasn't them. The same for the Japanese.

    I don't expect modern day Italians to apologise for what the Roman Empire did, again why should they? It all happened before they were born.

    And why should only the UK apologise? It was African people selling the slaves to the Europeans, and that slave trade was well established prior to any European being involved, mostly to North African and Middle Eastern countries. Why not demand an apology and compensation from ALL of them? Why just the UK?

    Just how far back should these 'apologies' go? 200 yrs? 500 yrs? 1000yrs? 2000yrs? 3000yrs? 10000yrs? 1000000yrs?

    Quite frankly the whole thing this ridiculous. These people who bemoan how their ancestors where held in slavery need to grow up and get over it. Lots of people, of all races, religions and colours, had ancestors who were held in slavery and servitude against their will.

    Instead of looking at the past, and demanding compensation for something that didn't even happen to them, perhaps people should be concentrating on the now, and trying to stamp out modern day slavery, which is still rife around the world. Surely THAT is a priority.

    And it isn't to do with values. No child can be held accountable for the sins of the father. That is a moral principle and a legal one too. So why should David Cameron be held accountable for the sins of his great, great, great grandfather? Why should he apologise for something that he didn't do? Ditto for modern UK.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Can anyone please tell CaMoron that he forgot to set free 3000 slaves in the South Atlantic???

    Thank you!

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    “Just like it isn't South Africa's fault somebody, regardless origin, spit you out.”

    Yes well Stevie, at least the woman who gave birth to me was gracious and cultured enough to grant me an upbringing where I need not stoop to denigrating someone's mother.

    Quite a feat considering the young age at which I, without warning, lost her.

    I am ashamed to realise that you were seemingly not accorded the same sort of upbringing but will not ruminate on whether this deficiency is due to your mother or yourself. And I sincerely hope that your daughter does not as a teenager endure finding her mother passed away one morning and then have someone refer to her as somebody who spat her out.

    No if you will all excuse me, I do believe it is time to take a break from this website.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    Lovely typical bit from Camoron.

    “Britain's role in ending slavery should be remembered”

    Even if that was true (not true), so what do you want from that, a cookie??

    What an imbecilic comment. It's like a rapist telling the woman he raped “hey, at least I'll give you $100 a month to feed the kid”.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @38 lEPRecon

    You have twice assumed I think David Cameron and his government should apologise despite my explicitly stating that I believe it is entirely their choice. It's obvious you either don't understand my point of view or don't want to. Everything I need to say on the subject I've already said. It doesn't bother me if you disagree.

    @37 Stevie

    I always talk like a human being, regardless of whether that passes your moral standards or not. I don't need your rather patronising endorsement to affirm my humanity thanks all the same.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Aww Skip!
    You managed you slip in the touching story of your mother... Again.
    I am so touched, I wait impatiently for your return.

    Heisen, now you talk like a man as well!!

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @19 Heisenbergcontext
    Tony Blair did make “an expression of regret” which in my view is correct, it should never have happened.

    However it did, but asking people 200 years afterwards to apologise, and in this case accept liability for it, simply because they are white and the slavers were mostly white, is racist at the end of the day.

    Which is not to say that there isn’t a responsibility to deal with the legacy of slavery, which is still with us today.

    @20 Stevie
    Given the history of humanity since we swung down from the trees, who in this world do you think doesn’t have some or other “vermin blood” in their veins.

    Historically speaking no one, as in absolutely no one alive today, is innocent, ask the Neanderthals.

    @33 pcIV
    Britain spent a lot of money stamping out slavery.

    Maintaining Navel squadrons patrolling of the African coast to stop slave ships.

    When they should have been plundering Spanish colonies of the Gold and Silver they had looted from the natives.

    Money we still haven’t been paid back, I’ll have you know.

    @36 Heisenbergcontext
    There were three routes for slaves in W. Africa, the local market (still there today), the Atlantic route which was the biggest whilst it was running and the Sahara route which was the most brutal by far, all males were castrated.

    In the thousands of years the local and Sahara routes have been operating, ultimately many more slaves went that way than the Atlantic route.

    Slavery was/is much bigger than just the European involvement.

    Just an observation, not intended as any sort of justification.

    @41 Great_coral_aTrolL
    Of course you Creole Planter Bastards put all your slaves in the Army, sent them to fight the Indians and let them wipe each other out.

    Still starving to death the Indians that were left, to this day.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    “.......where national commissions have calculated the sums could run into trillions of dollars. One suggestion has been that the money could be provided in the form of debt relief”.

    Mrs Simpson Miller's rationale : “we need some debt relief because we have squandered and stolen all the money. But we can't admit to corruption, so I have an idea : Let's invent some BS about the slave trade and try to pin it on the UK, the USA, on anyone with deep pockets”.
    And, of course, conveniently forget that it was the warfaring natives in West Africa who were responsible for the capture and sale of millions of slaves. Sounds a bit like black-humour. (Excuse the pun).

    @10 Stevie
    “Well, I have no issues at all spitting on my ancestors graves ....”
    Not surprising, considering they were microbes.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I never said the opposite...

    I lost my ancestors... They got.... I... need a break....

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pcIV

    pugol en contra
    “Britain spent a lot of money stamping out slavery.
    Maintaining Navel squadrons patrolling of the African coast to stop slave ships.”

    what's your level of education?
    you couldn't approve kindergarten??

    “The history of British slave ownership has been buried: now its scale can be revealed”

    britain and its stinky colonies have promoted slave trade and slavery for ages.
    and they still do it.

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Such a shame Britons...

    Yesterday trading slaves, later stealing territory and also some else garden and now what?

    Drug trafficking???

    Ah! I forgot that you boys are alredy into that business...

    Just wonder... Don't britons know how the meaning of honesty and legality???

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    l think that after the next war that we have with you that we will make quite a profit in selling Argentine prisoners as slaves.
    That is, if there is a market for them.
    Would anyone want the useless creatures?

    Oct 02nd, 2015 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pcIV

    and here we have the true isolda...
    all she thinks about is in having wars, taking prisoners and selling them as slaves.
    exactly what the english have done with africans for centuries. is in their genes

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @50 pcIV,
    You do not know my genes,
    May come as a surprise to you.
    But irrespective of that, you sound like slave material.
    Soon knock that cockiness out of you.
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, indeed! lolz

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I know your genes.
    They are repeated

    Again and again.

    From the same genepool.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Stevie & pcIV,
    Take it as you like,
    Have you no sense of humour?
    FYI, Stevie, l have a very diverse set of genes.
    My children are in no danger of having parallel genes from their parents.
    You assume so much, yet know so little.
    And yourself?

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I agree, you have a very diverse set of genes.
    From your mother's side, your father's side, your uncle's side, your cousin's side...
    Thinking about it, you share 96% of your genes with a muslim's leftover...

    No sense of humour?

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “Britain's role in ending slavery should be remembered”

    Mr. Cameron, Britain's role in sending 3 million slaves to the Americas should be remembered.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I am sure you are outraged about what happened about 150 years ago as you are the spawn of a perfect society who have NEVER done anything reprehensible.

    The descendants of these slaves probably have a much better standard of living now than their African antecedents - except of course in Latam.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @54 Stevie,
    You make no sense,
    but if it amuses you, then carry on.
    @55 Marcos,
    Where do you get that figure of 3 million from?
    Did you just make it up?
    btw- What happened to the black people of Argentina?

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @46 Stevie
    “I lost my ancestors... They got.... I... need a break....”

    yeh, right. They got lost. Microbes are hard to see. How awful !

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL


    England out of their own world cup, thanks in large measure to an ARGIE coach that taught the Ozzers how to beat the Brittos at their own game in the mud (scrum).

    Double humiliation for the Anglos. Brittoland out at the hands of Ozzer all in great part thanks to an Argie.

    Skip and the Brutish platoon here are gutted and embarrassed thanks to their blind racial hatred of argies. Love it!

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pcIV

    England 13______________33 Australia
    in their own backyard............
    sad sad sad

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    You win some, you lose some.
    We can take it, not like Argentines who think that they have to win all the time.
    How you've never got over being defeated in the Falklands in 1982.
    You stupid malvinistas often crow about the failed British “invasions” of 1807.
    Do you hear us whining about it?
    Just grit your teeth & move on-well we do, but you seem incapable of it.
    A sign of great immaturity on your part.
    Sad, Lolz

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pcIV

    dont be such a bad loser isolda.
    you remind me of the english crowd leaving twickenham before the final whistle.
    a strong sign of disrespect for both englamd and the wallabies.

    sad sad sad

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @47 pcIV
    What are you saying, the British didn’t stamp out slavery, because they did FACT.

    Then look up “sarcasm” or “piss taking” and re-read the post.

    England lose a rugby game to Australia, and all the Mavilnazi Tossers think all their birthdays have come at once.

    If this is what passes for “good news” to you, desperation springs to mind, things must be pretty dire.

    Time to try and get a life somewhere PaulitoNoMates.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Just my opinion.

    It’s always someone else’s fault,
    In this case, it’s the fault of the dreaded British, despite the fact that Britain did not even exist when slaves were being traded,

    If you are, going to blame someone, then at the very least start at the beginning and not half way through history,

    Personally I blame the bloody ape who stood up and walked humans into history and the bloody mess we are in today.

    Just an ancient opinion..

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FitzRoy

    Hi Paulie!! Nice to see you back after all this time! Shall we talk about who “invented” slavery? Let's talk about most of the countries that form what is now Europe.......Let's talk about ancient Egypt......Sumeria......Abyssinia....Most of the countries of the world indulged (and some still do) in slavery. The vast majority of what is now South America thrived on slavery. Britain was just one of many countries. On the other hand, whilst Britain gave up slavery in the early 1800s, most of the rest of them (South America included), carried on. Have a chat with one of your favourites; Vernet. He wasn't above employing, if that's the right word, slaves, now was he?

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    65 FitzRoy
    they are to brainwashed to blame anyone other than us.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pcIV

    dear fitz roy,
    you should read THIS, and then talk.

    and do not forget THIS

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Ignoramus. There is no British team in the World cup. There are 3 Home nation teams involved. As from Saturday there are still 2 left.
    From a person who is continually telling us about his/her superior intellectual ability, you do make a lot of simple inaccuracies.

    If Argentina make it to the finals, it will be interesting to see how they fare against the Boks, Australia or new Zealand.....assuming that one of these teams will be there.
    Enjoy your moment in the sun, it will be over soon.

    As to the slavery question, are the descendants of the slaves wishing to go back to Africa with financial assistance OR are they better off where they are.
    Africans in their tens of thousands are migrating N. desperate to get to Europe for a better life.
    Remember, the rise of Spain was due to the enslavement of the native peoples of S.America and the looting of gold and silver.
    As Latams in the S.American continent, don't you think YOU should apologise
    for the despicable actions of your forefathers? Probably not as you were not born then. So, why should the current generation of Britain be expected to do so ? Usual Latam double standards.

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pcIV

    grandpa clyde
    argentina did pretty good against the other 3 big SH teams.
    it seems you do NOT watch the rugby championship (4N for you) too much.
    anyway, mixing sports with politics/ diplomatic issues is nonsense.
    thats why im pretty glad to see the improvement of scotland.

    as for slavery and slave trade (which are 2 different things), it seems you dont know too much.
    the british have treated the africans, indians, aborigines in general, like things and not like human beings.

    britain, in that aspect, represents the worst of the world.

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @59 Trolley
    “.....thanks to their blind racial hatred of argies. Love it!”

    'Racial' hatred ? and what “race” would the Argies be ??

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL


    Argentines belong to the Neutralian race. All others are non-neutral races. English-speakers from anywhere from London to Dublin to Jamaica and North America are Anglo (Michael Jordan, Kate Moss, Bono, Tiger Woods). Asians, Africans, ditto.


    Moment in the sun? I'm talking about Brittos here. Remember in the world cup last year and this one I did not say a WORD about my country (even though I would have much more right to talk about sport results than YOU).

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Neutralian race

    proof please.

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Neustria was a 9th century kingdom in northern France. lf thats any help.
    @71 Troll,
    l think that you've finally lost it, Nostrils.
    Just leave quietly will you.

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  • Briton

    ah so 71 is an ANGLO FRENCHMAN lol

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  • Jack Bauer

    If I'm not mistaken, the word 'anglo' nowadays, in a general sense, designates a white English-speaking person, not from Hispanic heritage....which automatically excludes Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. I admire them for what they represent to sport, but they are not white....th4, not 'anglos'....
    As to your claim that the Argentines are Neutralian, does that mean that they are neither male, nor female ?? pretty sorry state of affairs for your countrymen ...or country neuters. I take it then, that 'sasquatches' are also neutralian ?

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    Its is interesting. In the 1830s the UK outlawed slavery and paid the slave owners a huge amount of money. In fact the sum involved was the largest payment made as compensation by any country up to that time. And, I believe, it is still the largest payment ever made.

    In contrast, the US enacted the Fourteenth Amendment which explicitly forbade any similar compensation to be paid the slave owners. Given that in 1860 the capital value of slaves comprised the largest item, by far, 'on the books' of the US this would have to have been the greatest destruction of wealth made by any government in peace time. It was this destruction of wealth that ensured the present greatness of the US.

    The fact is that the UK has paid compensation. It just paid it to the wrong people.

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  • Great_coral_aTrolL


    In North America “Anglo” may be of the definition you state. In Argentina is any one of the English-speaking races.

    You mentioned Hispanic, which I think is a good analogy to Anglo in Argentina. Hispanics are a race of Spanish speakers, according to United States Eugenic laws. Kinda the same idea.

    Though in Argentina no one uses this term, and few that have not traveled to NorthAmoland would even have heard of this term.

    “Neuter” is the word you are looking for in terms of male/female. Neutralian is a racial term, denoting we don't have a particular look, but everyone else in the world has a particular physical feature. Like we have a neutral accent when speaking, but everyone else in the world who is non-Argentine does.

    Oct 07th, 2015 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @77 Trolley
    Well, even according to 'your' claim, that in Argentina an 'Anglo' is “any one of the English-speaking races”, neither Michael Jordan, nor Tiger Woods would fit into that classification . Or, are you under the impression that they, being Afro-Americans that speak (American) English, are descended from English-speaking races, instead of from natural African ones ?

    Your definition of 'Neutralian', as a 'racial term' is quite 'original', members of that race, i.e., the Argentines, dont have “a particular look”, but everyone one else does....and, as “everyone else in the world” obviously includes the Italians, whose desendants make up two-thirds of the Argentine population, the fact that they were born in the Argentine, makes their “physical features” different to the Italians...why's that ? maybe the water, the beef ? the lousy state of the economy which makes them look pissed-off all the time ?

    Why do you claim that your accent is neutral, if within the Hispanic countries, it is Argentina, along with Uruguay and Paraguay, i.e., the minority of Spanish-speakers, that have a different, regional accent (harsher-sounding, ex: two 'l's, as well as 'y', pronounced like a 'j'), not found in any other Hispanic country, not even in Spain ? I'd say that the rest of them are the ones with a neutral accent.

    Oct 07th, 2015 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Are the Maori people of N.Z. Anglos. They speak English as their primary language as do many South Africans.

    Neutralian is a racial term, denoting we don't have a particular look, but everyone else in the world has a particular physical feature.

    Where do you get this from ? Looking at pictures of Argentinians they are as varied as any other country who have had continuous immigration throughout the centuries.

    Oct 07th, 2015 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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