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Falklands' salvage rules apply to Argentine yacht La Sanmartiniana; contacts for its return
Rules of salvage will apply to the Falklands’ Patrol Vessel’s recovery of the abandoned Argentine yacht La Sanmartiniana, Falkland Islands Government (FIG) Attorney General Peter Judge confirmed to Penguin News on Thursday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“... as part of a political stunt a few weeks away from the presidential election...”
Oct 16th, 2015 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0A cunning stunt clearly Maximo!
If you compare La Campora's original intention with the actual outcome, you'd have to say it didn't go well.
A La Campora rep will have to go the FI and deal with the FIG if they want to sort this out...given that the owners and crew of Protegat have a very solid claim for close to 100% salvage the RGs will pretty much have to buy their boat back... and then go and eat a bit of crow when they go to collect it... oh joy oh happiness!!
Oct 16th, 2015 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Frank. There is very little chance that La Campora will try to reclaim this yacht so it will become Crown property.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I think that they should fi. It, rename it Dalklands Freedom paint it in Falklands colours and sail it around South America so everyone can have a good laugh at Argentina.
@1. Seems like the salvage will cost the “owner” more than 20,000 dollars. See the Pure salvage section of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_salvage#Pure_salvage
Oct 16th, 2015 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Loaning your boat out or not knowing how it works may be mistakes. Then there's the cost of towing it 143 miles. That won't be cheap. Wages of the crew. And so it goes on.
Wonder what happens if the argies can't get permission to enter the Islands.
Oops.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Should read 'fix it and rename it Falklands Freedom. But that's what happens when you use your iPhone to post!
Rename it Tiger Bay 2?
Oct 16th, 2015 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It was scheduled that the yacht be examined by a Bio-security Officer and the water inside pumped into containers.”
Oct 16th, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha and there is the answer to my previous question....
Did they pump out the water after it was towed in.....
No they didn't....
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Ever heard of insurance and insurance companies....? That's their job....
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Liar.... if you used an iphone to post regularly.... it would have automatically corrected the D to an F....
Judging by the photo, the boat has been bobbing around for quite some time and was in poor condition before it set out on its last voyage - just look at those rusted and bent rails! Probably the salvage cost will be more than the value of the boat, which is nowhere near $ 90k.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you keep it?
Oct 16th, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Consider it as a gift from peronist party that is something a not very common thing. Peronists usually take things from people instead of giving....
”If the vessel is unclaimed it will ultimately become the property of the Crown.”
Oct 16th, 2015 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When they say Crown....do they mean..the British Crown as in belonging to Britain...?
@7. Ever heard the phrase “target practice”? Unauthorised argie presence in the Falklands EEZ. Want to watch it turned into splinters? You should. Then you'll know what to expect when the Royal Navy destroys the scotch rowboats.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 011
Oct 16th, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do I really have to educate you...?
Ok...for the sake of the dumb...
“The difference between the territorial sea and the exclusive economic zone is that the first confers full sovereignty over the waters, whereas the second is merely a ”sovereign right” which refers to the coastal state's rights below the surface of the sea. The surface waters, are international waters.
Now, do you feel enlightened...do you..?
Should have followed my advice and sunk it.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conq- 4&7 IF the Arg owners- whoever they maybe- duly pay up in time to the Court as and when it is resolved - they will be allowed in to collect the vessel or earlier to inspect it - There is no ban on Argentines visiting the Islands - unless they have caused trouble here before and had a court order against them.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was not unauthorized presence in the outer Fisheries Zone - that area is Int waters - only thing that can be unauthorized there is fishing without a licence from Falklands Fisheries- any vessel can transit through such an area- even a fishing trawler so long as its nets are not in the water!.
If not claimed etc in due course of time - most likely end will be any valuables removed for sale locally, fuels and oils removed and taken out and scuttled at sea.
The water removed is likely to be contaminated bilgewater and perhaps from the fresh tanks - to ensure no pollution into Stanley harbour - as well as making the boat less smelly.
Such water would then be treated to kill any bacteria etc and disposed of.
Standard Int practise I would imagine.
Return it...don't fall for the obvious ploy by Argentina to wrangle.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don´t forget the United Kingdom and Argentina signed a treaty on these issues, under sovereignty formula, in 2001. Bilateralism at its best!
Oct 16th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 015 101- nothing to “return” - standard international salvage on the high seas rules and custom apply - if someone can show they are the owners - then they make an application to the salvage court and pay the sum agreed.
Oct 16th, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All very simple.
@7 Voice
Oct 16th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, they didn’t pump it out yet it is not low in the water.
So, either it hasn’t shipped any water (difficult to believe after being a month adrift down there), or the pumps are working fine.
Clearly the crew were wise to abandon ship, as they obviously had no idea what they were doing at sea in the first place.
Insurance, ha, get real, wot insurance is that then?
Underwritten at Lloyds do you think?
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Oct 16th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't give in....now use some common sense....
Would 9 crew plus the skipper really make a noticeable difference to how it would look sitting in the water...?
No....
Now replace the crew with water....
10 crew at an average of say 180lbs...that would be the equivalent of a possible 216 gallons of water sitting in there with no noticeable difference to how it would look sitting in the water....
A gallon of water weighs 8.34 lbs....
I'm sure anybody in their right mind would abandon the boat with that amount of water sitting in it....with an ineffective pump....
Besides that boat, I reckon will be written off to the tune of about $30k (£20k)....
Hence my offer of £20k....
Sounds about right....
@ 19 Voice
Oct 16th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, it is not low in the water because the weight of 1,000L of water being on board, has been offset by the crew abandoning ship. Maximo must have been on board then.
As for any significant amount of water being on board, look up plimsoll line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterline
Then go back and look at the picture of it at harbour.
Then you can try and argue “it’s the mooring line holding it up in the water”
“the owners had made some indications that they wished the yacht returned to them”. What insurance company is that then?
Asperger’s or what!
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Oct 16th, 2015 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reading your posts reminds me of a quote made by Lord Justice Clerk , Lord Braxfield
“Ye're a vera clever chiel, man, but ye wad be nane the waur o' a hanging”
@7 Voice
Oct 16th, 2015 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No insurance company, assuming La Campora bothered to have the yacht insured, is going to pay out.
Why?
Because the idiot Maximo stated the other day that it wasn't the same yacht, and that it was all a 'plot' against 'Kirchnerism' and La Campora.
And insurance tend to go to any means to avoid paying out. When will you idiots in Argentina learn that what you say and do can be heard and seen around the world?
So no there will be no insurance pay out. And if Maximo wants his toy back he'll have to cough up the dough.
It's not like he hasn't embezzled enough money from the people of Argentina to be able to afford it. But if he wants his toy back then he'll have to deal directly with the legal authority here...the Falkland Islands Government.
Betcha he won't. Betcha they'll never claim the yacht. Betcha the Falkland Islands Government sell it or sink it.
But on the positive side, as least the 'brave' crew who abandoned the ship whilst it was still in Argentinian waters, will no doubt be given a medal and a pension for their extremely failed and embarrassing attempt.
Yet more of YOUR tax money going to a bunch of lazy, cowardly spongers. Oh wait, I forgot Voicey, you ARE one of the lazy, cowardly spongers in Argentina. I bet you've never paid tax in your life.
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Oct 16th, 2015 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That pic above....it looks pretty damn low in the water on the back end....
Aren't those masts supposed to be perpendicular to the water....
I don't see any large waves causing it to lift at the front...
...look for a graceful exit...you know you want to...
For the worlds press and media, it was a publicity stunt,
Oct 16th, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the Argentine secret service, it was a test boat,
Send it and see what happens,
Hoping that if they do it again, and again, the islanders might re-act more slowly, as it’s only a stunt,
Then hey presto, the next one is full of argy special forces awaiting to invade you again,
So they say. Chuckle.
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Wow. That boat looks like it has seen better days. The port authority should leave the Arg flag hanging on the boat. Invite the Islanders down to the harbor to look at it - just in case the question ever comes up again if they want to be part of that glorious workers' paradise known as Argentina...
Oct 16th, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians are consistent losers, everything they do ends up wrong
Oct 16th, 2015 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The method of calculation and determination of the level of fees, charges and ‘rewards’ is, unsurprisingly quite complex and I am afraid there is no easy rule of thumb for determining what these will be at the time a vessel is reclaimed (if indeed it is)” said Mr Judge
Oct 17th, 2015 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm... I suspect you were right Tim.
27 Jo Bloggs
Oct 17th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Jo!! I caught the weather forecast for the Falklands on Forces TV this morning and, wow!! I hope you've got everything all tied down and waterproofed!!
Couldn't believe this story when I first read it. It kept me smiling all day.... Just think about it Jo, if those swindlers, crooks and ne'erdowells in La Campora want their boat back, they are going to have to deal with the very same people that they say “do not exist”.
Oh the thought of that!!! It is just comedy gold, wouldn't you say?
Between you and me though, I think that friend LEPRecon said it @ 3. The stupidity and arrogance in argentina is such that, rather than actually admit that they are wrong, they would let La Sanmartiniana become property of the crown rather than talk to the FIG.
What a bunch of losers La campora are!!
Take care Jo.
@23
Oct 17th, 2015 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have you ever heard of rake?
...'blah blah masts are supposed to be perpendicular to the water blah blah'...
landlubber.
@23.... Geeze you are Think..er ...thick....
Oct 17th, 2015 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only water it was 'taking ' was when the crew pissed themselves when it got dark....
It didn't sink... it floated and was salvaged....
There is nothing in those photos to suggest anything wrong with that boat... well nothing more than anything else owned and operated by the RGs...
30 Frank
Oct 18th, 2015 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 “voice”/“Think” is just like, or simply 'is' “Marcos” - a malevolent wind up artist and troll - it's not likely he believes anything he says himself!
From El Clarín Sunday 18 October 2015
Oct 18th, 2015 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/La_Sanmartiniana-velero_de_La_Campora-Julio_Urien-Alicia_Kirchner-Malvinas_0_1451254915.html
Will somebody please explain what “la Corona Inglesa” is? Another Argentine misunderstanding - right?
Leave this worthless tub to sink. It has served its purpose of giving Latin America and the rest of the world another chance to laugh at Corruptina Kirchner and her stupid son.
Oct 19th, 2015 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 032-Gordon. You don't understand- In “Argie -speak” there is no such place aa the Falkland Islands - let alnone The Falkland islands Govt” - we do NOT exist in their little mindset!
Oct 20th, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore while in FACT and REALITY the vessel is now legally under normal Int salvage rules - under the control of the Receiver of Wrecks and the Salvage Court, in the Falkland Islands -
In their fantasy World,Argentina will claim that the bastardly colonial British in London have seized their ship in an act of Piracy and the Queen will not let them have it back.
You can safely say that in 12 months time this vessel will still be in Stanley - as Argentina will not formally make contact with the authorities in Stanley to start proceedings to get it back- because that would mean them having to admit to reality - that we exist!
And they far prefer to carry on living in their fantasy world!
@34 Islander1
Oct 21st, 2015 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0May I assure you that I DO understand! I quoted “la Corona Inglesa” from the link just to show another example of the CRASS stupidity and ignorance shown again and again by Argentina.
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