MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Brazil's opposition files new impeachment petition against Rousseff
Brazil's opposition filed a new impeachment petition against President Dilma Rousseff on Wednesday, accusing her of illegal accounting practices. The much-anticipated petition, whose authors include a founder of Rousseff's Workers' Party, was handed over to congressional lower house speaker Eduardo Cunha. Read full article
Comments
Disclaimer & comment rulesAgain?
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She AND Lula will be pursued by the justice system until they both end up rotting in a prison for their crimes against the Brazilian people, especially the poor.
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talk about what you do not know is educational deficiency. Lying is moral deficiency. What's your problem?
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 You are blind. You cannot believe it because you do not want to admit you have been robbed by the people you worship.
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simply because we have not been stolen or by Dilma or Lula. And yes, we love you because they are part of the few honest politicians of my Brazil.
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Honest? You truly are blind to the truth.
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not me who says this. It's the law. After two years investigating every Lula and Dilma steps .... and not found anything at all...
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you want more honesty test?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGERUbJqXgQ&index=30&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
@7 I do not ever form an opinion based on youtube clips and neither should you. I don't click links.
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The investigation of Lula and Dilma has hardly begun yet. Mark my words, you are going to be very disappointed when your heroes fall from grace.
Ok.
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every nation has currupt politicians and one time or another. It's what happens to them.
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nixon had followers, but ultimately conceeded he was a bad seed.
Spiro Agno also removed from office
Blagovich went to jail
James Traficante Jail
Randy Cunningham jail
Whether it's tax evasion or kickbacks, you are corrupt you go to jail. In South America, they seem to believe everything and anything. Drink the kool aid Tobi a la brasole.
@ 3 Brasileiro
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Talk about what you do not know is educational deficiency. Lying is moral deficiency.”
Reading your posts on here, you are clearly a master exponent of both types of deficiency :)
@1 Brasshole (the one with 'merda' for brains)
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Again ? ”
Until she is kicked out.
@3 brasshole
Talking of deficiences, what's your's ? mental deficiency ? how did you escape from the looney bin ??
@5 brasshole
“Simply because we have not been stolen or by Dilma or Lula. And yes, we love you because they are part of the few honest politicians of my Brazil.”
I have met many ignorant and/or stupid people in Brazil, but you take the prize. Lula honest ? Sure, just like his pal Paulo Maluf , who despite tons of proof of his corruption, despite having been condemned, still walks free....what about José Dirceu, Lula's closest aide ? what about Vaccari Bosta neto....both condemned and serving prison terms ? Go on fooling yourself...
@7 brasshole
Wait until the BNDES investigation becomes public....there are already signs of wrongdoing by Lula with regards to the PB corruption scheme, but let's leave him alone until the really damaging proof surfaces. What are you going to do then, brasshole ? Stick your fingers up your ass and rip yourself apart ?
When that is about to happen, please give us all a heads-up so that we can open our shit umbrellas.
My question for Brasshole is simply: what is a greater crime?
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. To be a corrupt politician that steals?
2. To be a Socialist-Marxist politician who swindles the downtrodden destitute helpless poor into believing that he/she will improve their lives while robbing them blind and ruining their chances for the future?
I lived though the Allende government in the 1970's and remember their swindling our poor into believing things were going to get better under Socialism while bankrupting my country.
Dilma, Lula and the Worker's Party leaders should all be put up against a wall and shot.
Dilma, Lula, PT = THIEVES
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justice for Brazil will prevail
@13 Chicureo
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suggest you get a nice bottle of wine, open it, let it breath , then drink it slowly, and forget the brasshole.. he'll never reply...anything sensible.
Jack,
Oct 22nd, 2015 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be clairvoyant as I just opened up a bottle of Marques de Casa Concha Cabernet Sauvignon 2011, waiting for dinner. (Served 21:00 hours in my home)
(Then again, at 19:30 you'll normally find a bottle open at my home on most evenings.)
¡Muchos Saludos!
this is fun!
Oct 23rd, 2015 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0watching my predictions come true....
@16 Chicureo
Oct 23rd, 2015 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salud !
Have you already had - and I presume you have - some of Viña San Pedro's “1865” 2011 carmenère ? or their recently launched “1865” 150th anniversary edition ( a blend) ? Both damned good.
Jack,
Oct 23rd, 2015 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I know the wine well. It's a part of what I think is the second largest winery group in Chile owned by Chile's wealthiest family. (Concha y Toro being number one.) Viña San Pedro, 1865 Single Vineyard, Castillo de Molina, 35 SUR y GatoNegro are their most well known brands and I highly approve your selection.
As you know, Carmenère is an icon variety that was rediscovered in Chile after thought being lost forever after the 1800s Phylloxera wine devastation in Europe. Chile is one of the few places on earth Phylloxera free.
As it's Friday, the “nana” here has advised me that we'll be having baked razor clams with Parmesan cheese as a starter followed by Conger eel with scalloped potatoes and baked artichoke hearts.
I'm chilling a couple of bottles of Viña Carmen 2011 Sauvignon Blanc and of course will open the first at 19:30. (House rules as none of us wants to admit being winos...)
My very best regards
Cunha's position as speaker is looking very insecure. Conversely, Dilma's impeachment is looking more unlikely with Cunha's latest statement. The business community does not want impeachment and it looks like they are exerting control over the PMDB. And, of course, Cunha is hoping that the PT congressmen and women will somehow save him.
Oct 24th, 2015 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jack
Oct 24th, 2015 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Past midnight here, but I have to crow about dinner. We had our son-in-law's parents here and the meal was far better than I mentioned.
Appetizers were very thinly sliced cold marinated laminated slices of octopus, with a carpaccio of salmon and baby eels in a hot chile garlic chili olive oil dish. This was followed by baked razor clams with Parmesan cheese with a touch of cream and white wine, followed by Conger eel with scalloped potatoes and baked artichoke hearts. Dessert was from one of the first Cherimoya harvests in Chile of the season with a drizzle of clementine syrup.
The important details: We began with Peruvian style Pisco Sours, followed up with the two bottles of Viña Carmen 2011 Sauvignon Blanc that mysteriously somehow evaporated before the main course. Fortunately, I took the precaution of earlier icing down 3 bottles of Viña Bisquertt 2013 La Joya Gran Reserva Viognier that were just perfect and I highly recommend.
Our guests brought a bottle of Gran Duque d’Alba Brandy de Jerez Solera Gran Reserva as a gift and we finished consuming nearly half it this evening. Really a perfect pairing.
15 Jack Bauer
Oct 24th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talking about “ he'll never reply...anything sensible” I'll give you the rest of your denouncement to go with your bottle of Sauvignon. 8 Jack Bauer “She has committed offences which the Constitution considers criminal” http://en.mercopress.com/2015/10/18/rousseff-s-reelection-campaign-alleged-irregularities-investigated-by-federal-police
“The TCU is an autonomous organ of the state, but it's ruling in this case is not legally binding. In effect, it's ruling is merely an opinion. The ruling does not, in fact, establish that a crime has taken place, as some opposition politicians have attempted to claim.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/10/18/rousseff-s-reelection-campaign-alleged-irregularities-investigated-by-federal-police
Fiscal Responsibility Law
“On Wednesday, the Federal Court of Accounts said that the Administration of president Dilma Rousseff was fiscally irresponsible and might have even committed accounting fraud.”
Forbes http://en.mercopress.com/2015/10/18/rousseff-s-reelection-campaign-alleged-irregularities-investigated-by-federal-police
“To behave with Fiscal Responsibility is to manage government expenditures, revenues and debt in such a way to keep public finances healthy.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/10/18/rousseff-s-reelection-campaign-alleged-irregularities-investigated-by-federal-police
Article 112 of the Brazilian Civil Code provides: “When interpreting statements of intention, the intention of the parties will prevail over the literal meaning of the words.”
So we have a law that's main purpose is a rein on the accumulation of government debt. The government hasn’t breached any law, though such practices may be problematic. They have simply followed the same procedures enacted by former governments.
@22 Terence
Oct 26th, 2015 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How rude of you to interrupt my conversation with Chicureo. Have you no manners ? tut, tut, a rude moron.
Ok, I need only 30 seconds to dispatch you back to your ignorance : I never said the TCU's ruling was “legally binding” . I said that because the TCU had rejected Dilma's 2014 accounts, this now made it possible for the Lower House to open impeachment proceedings, and which, if voted in favour of by the majority, then the matter would go to the Senate which has the last word.....nothing more, nothing less. You having trouble understanding English ?? The fact that you always get your knickers in a twist, doesn't mean you have to twist my words...
@19 & 21 Chicureo
I apologise for the moron's uncalled-for interruption @ 22.
But getting back to wine and good food, it seems you and your family know how to treat yourselves.
I love salmon carpaccio but can't say the same about the octopus....perhaps it's because here it's known as 'lulas'.....and I'm kinda allergic to that name. LOL ..
At a restaurant here in SP, about 2 years back, we ordered a Chilean sauvignon-blanc and was surprised at its similarity with NZL sauvignon-blanc. It was Clava Quintay , by Viña Quintay , in Casablanca.
When we were in Chile 2 years ago, we went to visit the Undurraga winery, and were shown around by a fantastic guide. He knew his wine but was a real joker. At the end of the visit, he told us that we were very important visitors - because we all bought and paid for our wine...differently to important political figures, who only wanted presents.....and that 2 years before us, Lula had been there, and was given 10 bottles of wine, but that he had the nerve to hold up his nine fingers and claim he was missing one bottle...
Keep up the good living !
23 Jack Bauer
Oct 26th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, chew on this, as you're no position to lecture anyone on manners, with your liberal amounts of personal vindictiveness, such as moron, ignorance, and numerous other similar words against posters who you don't agree with. I was simply posting on a public forum, so I don't need your permission to do so. My personal pet peeve is intolerant fascists like you and Chicureo, who have both indicated you wish the deaths of politicians who don't share your jaundiced viewpoint. So if I can this put as succinctly as I can, fuckyouand the horses you rode into town on.
“..an appeal against a Supreme Court decision on the rules of how the impeachment procedure can go ahead. ..”
So the TCU does not appear to have given a definitive ruling on the legal merits. It appears they issued an obiter dicta, by the way they're hedging with use of the words 'might have,' other than using the unambiguous 'did commit' if it was an explicit judgement against the Administration.
It definitely would have been illegal if the Central Bank was involved, but it wasn't only state banks were. Article 164 of the Constitution: Paragraph 1 - The Central Bank may not grant loans (directly or indirectly) to the National Treasury and any agency or organization that is not a financial institution;
Manipulating accounts not enough to impeach Brazil president, speaker says Thu Oct 22, 2015
“The fact that accounts were manipulated does not necessarily mean that the president committed a crime. They are two different things,” Cunha told reporters.
Cunha,..said an impeachment process would have to prove the president broke the law by violating budget laws.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/22/us-brazil-politics-rousseff-idUSKCN0SG2R920151022
@24 Terence
Oct 27th, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“My personal pet peeve” ?? what homo trait is that ??
Terence, I have no idea why YOU try to twist the words of the Law, as well ??
Just to read your name makes me feel like puking. Your personality is so despicable, I honestly think you can't have any friends at all....maybe your poor family has no choice but to put up with you , but I don't have to.
So please be as succint as you can, to the point of saying no more.
The rational posters on here thank you. Now piss-off you little poofta...
25 Jack Bauer
Oct 27th, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“succint?” Don't try to be smart and use big words you don't understand, yet alone know how to spell. Stick to your area of expertise, which is biased ignorance. LOL
So in spite of your attempt “to move the goal posts re: post 23 ” “I never said the TCU's ruling was “legally binding” ” and neither did I claim you did. So the only evidence of someone who was “to twist...words” is you. What I claimed you said is: #8 Jack Bauer “She has committed offences which the Constitution considers criminal” en.mercopress.com/2015/10/18/rousseff-s-reelection-campaign-alleged-irregularities-investigated-by-federal-police So unless you meet the burden of proof, and offer validation. Your unsupported claim reveals yet another lie from you, and your further guilt as a result of your attempted evasion.
“The New Contours of Latin America's Right
...As the progressive governments solidified important transformations, the right's desperation has led them to openly call for, and attempt, coup d’états.... are now focusing on corruption, human rights, security and other issues that affect society as a whole, and in which the left has failed to deliver long-term solutions.
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/The-New-Contours-of-Latin-Americas-Right-20151026-0029.html
LEMBO: IMPEACHMENT IS THE 'NEW DISEASE'
”.. The military coups of the Cold War era are being replaced by impeachment The function of Congress is to oversee governments, not knock them. This is the same as knocking on doors the barracks,...the law requires a liability crime...” law professor at USP and Mackenzie...former governor Cláudio Lembo
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/The-New-Contours-of-Latin-Americas-Right-20151026-0029.html
@26 Terence
Oct 28th, 2015 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you ever read your own crap ? you try to sound superior, but it's easy to see through you. Just an idiot with an enormous inferiority complex, trying to compensate.
To defend your points of view - God forbid saying you have an opinion - you need to attack others' opinions...and demand 'proof'...of what ? of an opinion ? You deny what is written in the Law because you can't bear the thought of your socialist heroes having committed a crime.....
But, it's probably best to agree with everything an idiot like you says, just to get rid of you. Worse than a sticky fly .
As to your ridiculous comments # 29 @ “Rouseff's relection campaign...”, didn't even bother reading to the end.....just more bs and quotes...
27 Jack Bauer
Oct 28th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...You try to sound superior…” Compared to you, that unfortunately will inevitablely appear to be the reality. But, don't worry unlike you. I'm one hundred per cent democratic. Would you like me to slow down so you can catch up?
Oh! Your opinions, I hate to break to bub, but opinions are like derrières everyones got one. “If it is a Miracle, any sort of evidence will answer, but if it is a Fact, proof is necessary” Mark Twain. I love it you have not one itsy bitsy fact you can claim for the support of your posts. That consists entirely of fallacies and fiction. Especially pleasing is when you are reduced to mere argumenta ad hominems, which means you have nothing to support your assertions. So your claim of “She has committed offences which the Constitution considers criminal” must be a lie because you cannot validate it.
Don't feel bad. A lot of people have no talent!
“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.” Harlan Ellison
“No way of thinking or doing, however ancient, can be trusted without proof.” Henry David Thoreau
“We must make a personal attack when there is no argumentative basis for our speech.” Cicero, Pro Flacco, c.58. B.C
“We tend to idealize tolerance, then wonder why we find ourselves infested with losers and nut cases” Patrick Nielsen Hayden
I would have liked to insult you, but the sad truth is that you wouldn't understand.
I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works
@28 Terence
Oct 28th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““If it is a Miracle, any sort of evidence will answer, but if it is a Fact, proof is necessary” Mark Twain”.
Read it again and try to understand it - I know it may seem too subtle for you to grasp, but even MT says “if it's a fact ...it needs proof”....see the connection ? 'fact', and 'proof' ?......... well, if 'opinions are like derrières, everyone's got one', that would explain why you have no opinion and just crap out of your mouth instead. And while your wiping the crap off your mouth, why don't you take some of your own advice, and just “ fuck yourself and the horses you rode into town on” ?
29 Jack Bauer
Oct 28th, 2015 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So your claim of “She has committed offences which the Constitution considers criminal” must be a lie because you cannot validate it.
There is no vaccine against stupidity.
I heard that you changed your mind. So, what did you do with the diaper?
All that you are you owe to your parents. Why don't you send them a penny and square the account?
You spent so much time trying to get rid of that halitosis that you had only to find out that you are not popular anyway.
In the dictionary under the word, “stupid,” it says, “see you.”
You have a good family tree, but the crop is a failure.
You are a man who always sticks by his convictions. You will remain a fool no matter how much you get ridiculed for it!
You have no trouble making ends meet. Your foot is always in your mouth!
Some people are has-beens. You are a never-was.
Why don't you go to the library and brush up on your ignorance?
If you were twice as smart, you'd still be stupid.
I admire you because I've never had the courage it takes to be a liar, a thief, and a cheat.
You're not yourself today. I noticed the improvement immediately.
You are so dishonest that I can't even be sure that what you tell me are lies!
Someone said that you are not fit to sleep with pigs. I stuck up for the pigs.
This is no battle of wits between you and me. I never pick on an unarmed man.
If your IQ was any lower, you'd need watering
I see Cunha is threating to start impeachment against Dilma if proceedings are started against him. Cunha's problem is that he is in a one sided Mexican standoff. He's finished!
Oct 29th, 2015 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's face it, Latin America's largest banana republic is kaputt- no longer good,
Oct 29th, 2015 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0even for the brincadeira!
PS. It has a “president” who is a nut, and a maoist defense minister! No kidding.
Philippe
Philippe
@30 Terence
Oct 29th, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the Laws I referred to. If you can't understand them, consult a lawyer.
Your post is 30 lines of pure bs - doesn't say much for your brain.
But since you believe you are the judge, jury and executioner, offer your services to Dilma, she'd love you......a stupid, stinking socialist and a habitual liar.
33 Jack Bauer
Oct 29th, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Read the Laws I referred to” If you had you would be showing where, since you can't it must be one more porkie. I know that in your closed environment you're not bound by the rules of logic like the rest of us. So your claim of “She has committed offences which the Constitution considers criminal” must be a lie because you cannot validate it. “stinking socialist and a habitual liar.” Oops! Not bad four porkies in one post, as you have failed provide evidence to support any of your assertions as being truthful, deep thinker.LOL
Deep thinking, Philosophy; Burden of proof
Burden of proof (or onus probandi in Latin) is the obligation on somebody presenting a new idea (a claim) to provide evidence to support its truth (a warrant). Once evidence has been presented, it is up to any opposing “side” to prove the evidence presented is not adequate. Burdens of proof are key to having logically valid statements: if claims were accepted without warrants, then every claim could simultaneously be claimed to be true.
Abuse
Burden of proof is often abused in rhetoric and arguments.
Shifting the burden
Fallacious shifting of the burden of proof occurs if someone makes a claim that needs justification, then demands that the opponent justify the opposite of the claim. The opponent has no such burden until evidence is presented for the claim.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
Terrence. Dilma and her PT party are scum (plus others like half the PMDB). You are stupid for defending them. Do you understand what pedaladas and corrupção are? Obviously not. Both impeachable abuses of power. Proof is coming out further every day with ongoing investigations.
Oct 30th, 2015 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 035 Tik Tok
Oct 30th, 2015 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Proofs may yet appear, but thats still within the realms of speculation. Sorry I prefer a rational society, whether or not I agree with the government of day. So I'll stick with “the rule of law” and try to avoid forming opinions based solely on the hysterical knee-jerk responses that you reactionaries appear to favour.
There was a large 'Women against Cunha' demonstration in Cinelandia yesterday. One of Cunha's least attractive qualities is that he is a misogynist big time.
Oct 30th, 2015 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bloomberg is reporting that Cunha is trying to use the impeachment requests as a get out of jail pass. But its not going to work. Its penitentiary time for Cunha!
@35 Tik Tok
Oct 30th, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Proofs may yet appear”......the stupid cnut really believes he knows more about what's going on than the Federal Police and Judge Moro. You must forgive him, he's old and senile. From now on, I think I'll just ignore the idiot. Let him blow his mouth off.
@37 Hippy
About 1,000 women showed up for the protest.........That's “large” ? that's less than o,00001 % of Brazil's female population....very representative....
Their gripe against Cunha is the fact that he's trying to push (more) anti-abortion legislation through Congress ; according to the Penal Code, abortion is already considered a crime, with two exceptions : 1) if based on a doctor's recommendation when the mother's life is at risk, and 2) if the pregnancy is the result of rape, in which case, the mother can decide what to do ; Why don't these women get real ? most of them already do whatever they want with their bodies, and I've never heard of anyone being jailed because of it.
38 Jack Bauer
Oct 30th, 2015 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! Great wondrous maker of illogical and invalid statements, if it warrants a warrant where is it, deep thinker? “Burdens of proof are key to having logically valid statements
”Proofs may yet appear“ as being completely proof less you couldn't produce a ”logically valid statement” if your life depended on it. You're simply a producer of fifth rate fiction.
So your claim of “She has committed offences which the Constitution considers criminal” must be a lie because you cannot validate it. As for your reference to Petrobras, the investigators were the Federal Police. So that ship has already sailed, as usual you've missed the boat. “Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff and her predecessor Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva have been exonerated of all responsibility in the Petrobras scandal in a report released this Monday by the parliamentary commission in charge of the investigation.”
www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Brazilian-President-Rousseff-Exonerated-in-Petrobras-Scandal-20151019-0036.html
Commenting for this story is now closed.
If you have a Facebook account, become a fan and comment on our Facebook Page!