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Rajoy says “Catalonia is not going anywhere, nothing is going to break”
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy announced on Monday his government would file an appeal with the Constitutional Court to ensure that an independence declaration backed by the Catalan regional parliament has “no consequences”, he told a news conference. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSomeone's in a state of denial.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Someone's showing fear.
Someone's probably not going to win the next election.
I wonder who that is?
Rajoy, a bit like Gorbachev as Yeltsin rose to power, or Milosevic in the crumbling Yugoslavia.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for the Catalans, for too long they've been footing the lions share of the debt burden of the rest of Spain. These oppressed people should be free as should the criminally held Spanish enclaves in Morocco. All this from the Rajoy conquistadors who itch to get their grasping, corrupt and debt ridden hands on Gibraltar...where there are 30,000 more people he would like to bully.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where's all our SoAm trolls to scream about “imperialist colonialism”. Because, reading the history, that what the association with spain was always about.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Rajoy is stupid. The resolution says “process of democratic disconnection not subject to the decisions by the institutions of the Spanish state.” So Rajoy refers to the constitutional Court and the Catalan parliament tells it to get lost.
I hope the Catalans have made suitable arrangements with the police and army.
I'm wondering.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 063 out of 135 voted against this resolution. That is 47%.
So, this vote isn't exactly a unified, 100%, unified call for secession, is it?
Does the 47% of the people get to take their piece of the pie and “democratically disconnect” with the rest of independent Catalan?
If the 53% believe in democratic disconnection, what would their response be to letting the parts of Catalan, where a majority do not support independence, stay a part of Spain.
Would the independence people say, “No, you must stay with Catalan” as Rajoy is saying, “No you must stay with Spain.”?
Would the independence people support that independence too?
#3 Actually Ceuta chose to be part of Spain. It was given the option upon Portuguese independence in 1640 whether to revert to Portugal (having been Portuguese prior to being Spanish) and it voted to be in Spain. Had it not, all other things being equal, it would almost certainly have been handed over to Morocco in 1974 when the Estado Novo fell, despite having been ruled from Iberia since 1415.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*3 “ The oppressed people” are you s joke or what??!! these oppressed people
Nov 10th, 2015 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the best autonomy government in the world!! they have their their own parliament/education/police force/language/.and in reference...
to corruption..tell that to the Catalan nationalist party who has been in power 30 years stealing from the ignorant supporters and making themselves rich...like any typical latin leader in power!!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/former-catalan-president-jordi-pujol-to-be-stripped-of-his-titles-after-admitting-to-more-than-30-9636343.html
I get the feeling the Catalans are going to keep doing this just as long as Madrid keeps trying to block them.
Nov 10th, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ultimately Madrid cannot win this argument, but then Rajoy never was the sharpest tool in the box.
What price “territorial integrity” now eh, the Francoistas in Madrid are about to learn some hard lessons on the subject methinks.
@7 “Aussie”sunshine,
Nov 10th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“....who has been in power 30 years stealing from the ignorant supporters and making themselves rich...like any typical latin leader in power!!!
Ha ha, thanks, ”aussie“sunshine !!
Well folks, you heard it here first, straight from the Troll's mouth!!
”aussiesunshine” who has consistently denounced Gibraltar for not being part of Spain, is now telling us Latin leaders are inherently crooked and corrupt!!!
Nice 'own goal'!!
@9. Quite right. “making themselves rich...like any typical latin lead
Nov 10th, 2015 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0er in power!” Isn't that good? Best received from “brainless slob of the world”. Next there will be something on the lines of “incorrect interpretation”. Where is “aussiesunshinee”? Anywhere he can be reported to the Australian Immigration Service? Australian Special Branch? Australian Intelligence Services?
10 conqueror
Nov 10th, 2015 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Likely he is actually in Spain
*9 There is another latin leader in Gibraltar.Isn´t there?????
Nov 11th, 2015 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0keep an eye on the dude!!??
12 aussie sunshin ee
Nov 11th, 2015 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0as usual, your point makes no sense - you have told us that by dint of being a latin leader, Rajoy is corrupt thief, as is CFK, Dilma, Maduro, and how many others...?
@5 bushpilot
Nov 11th, 2015 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well in a democracy the majority rules.
But should the minority (even if it is a large minority) be allowed to stand in the way of democratic process?
It's like saying that if 53% of the people vote for a particular political party to be in power, then that political party shouldn't be allowed to form a government because 47% of people didn't vote for them.
Would you still be making this argument if 47% of the population voted to cede from Spain? Would you be saying that it's not a unified call for Catalonia to remain part of Spain, so the parts of Catalonia that want to cede should be allowed to?
But that's not how it works in a democracy, is it? Majority rules.
I do sort of understand what you are saying, if a particular region of Catalonia wants to remain Spanish then they should be allowed to, but it depends on where the '47%' of the population who voted against it came from. Now if they're all mainly from one particular area, then maybe they could choose to remain part of Spain, but the chances are that this 47% are far more likely to be spread around the whole of Catalonia, which makes things far more complicated.
As Winston Churchill once said, “Democracy is the worst form of government...that is except for EVERY other form of government.”
In other words it's not perfect but it is still better than the alternatives.
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