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Argentine election: the Kirchners' Falklands policy has backfired spectacularly
By Dr Alasdair Pinkerton - For the first time in 12 years, the new occupant of the Casa Rosada, the presidential palace in Buenos Aires, will no longer bear the surname Kirchner. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYears of Kirchners in power: 12
Nov 24th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Concessions gained from the Falkland Islands: 0
If that doesn't scream massive failure, then I'm unsure what does.
The CFK policies backfired not only with respect to the Falklands, but in most other areas of management as well. Argentina is poorer and weaker today for her failed governance. Fortunately, Macri is not the populist sort who lives for the applause of the descerebrados.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Until Argentina once again treats the Falklands-Malvinas issue as both a diplomatic and fundamentally human problem and not an object of domestic political opportunism, the islanders will continue to turn away from their nearest neighbor and forge their own future.” This is an important comment that all Falkland Islanders should note and remember.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of all, remember that argieland and argies lie habitually. Argieland spent a period of about 10 years trying to be “friendly”. Then Kirchner (deceased) realised he wasn't getting any closer to sovereignty. And tore up co-operation on fishing and hydrocarbons.
Remember that argieland is an enemy. Even maintains its claim to your homes. Even if they get rid of that bit of their constitution, they can put it back an hour later. Do not trust for at least 50 years. Remember mythology “I fear Greeks, even those bearing gifts”. All being well, they don't have the patience. What have they done FOR you in the last 50 years?
RKH and FOGL are going to merge their shares 1 RKH = .2993 FOGL shares what a good deal.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never trust rats, they bring disease and destruction into your lives.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Kelpers are not alone in their dislike of the Kirchners and arrogant useless windbag Argentinians, all their neighbors feel the same way
Nov 24th, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Conqueror
Nov 24th, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do those of who are British no favours at all with your sick description of ALL Argentines. Not all of them are as you describe them nor, indeed, are all of US like you! You are as sick as the ISIS lunatics who seek to destroy everything we believe in. Cretin!
@7 gordito, of course there are fine, upstanding, educated, responsible, honest, somewhat trustworthy, respectable Argentines, who of course know better than to live in Argentina. And I have met both of them.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0London based political commentator describes Argentina as failed villain in mercopress piece.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How shocking and unexpected.
I wonder if the doctor/lecturer in geopolitics would like to now give the Argentine point of view, or how he sees the situation playing out in the long term.
Might be something like this: The malvinas are a reatively low priority issue and Argentina can afford to simply ignore them short or long term at zero cost, on occassion poking them casually with a mercosur stick. Unlikely to grow by more than two people per decade, if lucky, or ever to be fully recognized by mercosur countries, they are still waiting on the magic oil as their seasonal residents grow older on average.
Costing the mainland British taxpayer millions every year and needlessly causing animosity between UK and the growing south american market theyll eventually need 2 troops for every colonist. As with the history of imperial vestiges the islands are likely to follow the long term trend of decline and handover. Colonists kicking and screaming til the end, victims of their own myopia.
As Argentina builds new nuclear plants, dams and skyscrapers, takes in record crops, signs accords with China, and grows steadily the best bet for the colonists would be to look to the future and think of what the younger colonists will one day face, as well as the probability that Argentina will suddenly drop its historic claim.
Something along those lines.
Why does this site only ever have columns by some conservative propagandist.
Get Galloway or Corbyn to do a piece, or at least someone who can see beyond that sham 'Turkeys against Christmas' referendum. It would make for a change. And make this site look less like a pamphlet prepared by conqueror.
@7. It might help you if you were to try “thought” and “intelligence”. Over a considerable period of time I have differentiated between “Argentines” and “argies”. “Argentines” can be described as intelligent, properly educated, thoughtful people. Like you, “argies” are the rest. You are indeed a cretin. I wonder if you have enough brain to recognise that YOU have created the opinion of the rest of the world. Even if you are what I refer to as an “Argentine” where was the courage to reject Kirchnerism and Peronism. You're just a coward trying to avoid your responsibility. That would be typical Kirchnerism and Peronism. Could it be time for the new approach called honesty? Could you manage honesty before you die?
Nov 24th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9:
Nov 24th, 2015 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“London based political commentator accuratley describes Argentina as failed villain in mercopress piece.”
Fixed that for you.
What parts are incorrect?
“Bilateralism deliberately excluded Falkland Islanders from participating in discussions on their own future; the charter flights issue revealed a new willingness in Argentina to undermine the Falklands’ economy by restricting connections to other countries.”
Was such an attempt to exclude the Islanders made? Yes.
“...secretly filmed advert which showed Argentine Olympic hopeful Fernando Zylberberg “training” on the Falkland Islands during the run up to the London Olympics in 2012.”
Did this disgusting event happen? Yes, and the Islanders are still awaiting their much-deserved apology.
Have the Argentinian attempts at “dialogue” included further attempts to exclude the Islanders? Yes.
Have they lied about a “usurpation” of the Islands for years? Undeniably yes.
Hate to point it out, but you *are* the villains in this dispute. All the article does is show a factual telling of the actions of the Kirchners, and hopes for a more reasonable tack in the future.
What's wrong with that?
Thousands of Argentines are living happily in England and since Macri's stunning victory over Kirchner's puppet they have been celebrating almost as joyously as the Falkland Islanders. Let us all hope that once Macri feels secure in his position of President that he will order an investigation into the overseas bank accounts of Kirchner, Timerman and other members of the corrupt cabal that has proved such a catastrophe for Argentina. These criminals have raped and pillaged their country for years. Justice must be done to them.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9
Nov 24th, 2015 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The worse thing you did was not post that or even expect others to believe it.
The worst thing you did was to believe it yourself.
@ 8 Marti Llazo
Nov 24th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And I have met both of them.”
That sir, is brilliantly funny.
My next door neighbour and his extended family are Argentines and all lovely people.
I think, now TMBOA is gone, he will stay in Argentina. I am convinced had the Peronistas won he would have moved permanently.
Someone infinitely more clever than I (if that were possible) observed that the losses in opportunity and other costs to Argentina by refusing to pay the hedge funds in a timely manner have created far more damage to the Argentine economy than the value of the amounts to be paid. This begs the question: how much more potential income has Argentina foregone by their embargo of the Falklands? The answer is in the millions, though I wonder just how many.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Conqueror
Nov 24th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your British troll behaviour is such that it is impossible to discern the difference between your “argies” and your “Argentines”. As a proud British citizen I am appalled by your hateful references to decent people and your excuses in @10 are unacceptable.
Election map of Argentina:
Nov 24th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please note that the Falkland Islands on this map are shaded the same colour as the Pro-Macri provinces.
http://www.bubblear.com/interactive-map-ballotage-elections-results-province/
@8. lol.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Liars.
Deadbeats.
Serial defaulters.
Forgers.
Thieves.
Braggarts.
Blame shifters.
These are the argentines.
#9 Vestige
Nov 24th, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't have said it better!
@9
Nov 24th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Unlikely to grow by more than two people per decade, ”
Crap bathos. The population is very likely to increase, but overcrowding is not an economic priority as a relatively low population ensures the Islands can fund free university education and proper healthcare, a relatively low population is not detrimental to the Islands.
“or ever to be fully recognized by mercosur countries,”
The Falkland Islands run at a surplus, therefore there is money for the islands to spend. If the mercosur countries don't want that money it is welcome in the other locations in which it is spent.
@9
“Costing the mainland British taxpayer millions every year ”
The Second World War pushed Britain into debt but it was still worth it to beat fascism, and British defence expenditure held back Kirchener's facism. As explained before, if British forces were not deployed in the Falklands the defence assets would be deployed elsewhere and still cost the British taxpayer millions.
Afghanistan cost the UK far more than the Falklands ever will.
“the growing south american market theyll eventually need 2 troops for every colonist”
Why? Are the Argentine colonists there? I think you'll find on average it takes 1 British serviceman to take out or make 3 Argentines surrender. The UK do not need a ratio of 2:1 to defeat Argentine colonisers, more like 1:3.
“As Argentina builds new nuclear plants, dams and skyscraper”
The islands will (unassisted) develop a deep water port, and if the oil revenue is good (it may not be of course), the Islanders will be able to afford their own sophisticated military with plenty of ex-RAF pilots willing to fly their aircraft and well paid mercenaries. Also the Islands produce 40% of their power through renewable sources, and this proportion will increase.
The difference is that the Falkland Islanders will not have to beg to China to get the money to further develop their infrastructure.
@20
Nov 24th, 2015 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My sentiments entirely.
I'm positive the islands will go from strength to strength.
As Churchill said:
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
@9: Holey Vest - “ as their seasonal residents grow older”. Care to explain what this means? Seasonal residents? The vast majority live all year round in the Islands.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm surprised you're still peddling the same old shit, to be honest.
And as for asking Gorgeous George or ideologically-challenged Jerry to write something, they probably know as little as you do about life here.
“ ...history of imperial vestiges the islands are likely to follow the long term trend of decline and handover”..... This comment could equally be applied to the colonial remains of Spain, Argentina! Although to be fair, we did have a budget surplus at the end of the financial year, again.
Vestige is just so eaten up by hate & envy that he/she/it cannot think straight.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l stopped worrying about his/her/its views quite awhile ago.
So nice that Vestige has the British taxpayer at heart.
How false.
Well Vestige then we can only hope that Argentina ignores the Falklands and lets all this happen.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all it is the Falklands that have to live with the consequences of their situation. This has nothing to do with Argentina and Argetina should let your supposed dystopian future happen.
A point of argument to debate
Nov 24th, 2015 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure?! Argentina's largest newspaper claims Falklands voted in country's election
ARGENTINA's most popular newspaper has bizarrely claimed the Falkland Islands took part in the South American country's presidential election
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/621762/Argentina-presidential-election-Falklands-vote-Daniel-Scioli-Mauricio-Macri-Kirchner
David Cameron and the defence review – cartoon
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/621762/Argentina-presidential-election-Falklands-vote-Daniel-Scioli-Mauricio-Macri-Kirchner
David, our leader…
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Hey now, lots of back talk and rants.
Nov 24th, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont over-react. My comment was just giving a look at the other side of the coin, the one oh so strangely missed by the reputable and totally not for sale lecturer who specializes in this kind of thing with scientific objectivity.
Im sure the objective truth rests somewhere between the two.
And yeah it would be nice to see a similarly qualified individual do a counter-piece, a change of tune for this site, which is ...ever so slightly ...lacking neutrality in its stance.
In response to those waving their fists I can't comb through all the counter points (or rather lack the motivation to). Im into the whole brevity thing man.
For an orderly numbered list or something.
@26 voice/think ... We um.. “Vestige”
Nov 24th, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I “Think” we know your motives.
These are all points that have been argued countless times before, and you are familiar with all the points, as are we.
Your goal is rather obvious - list a bunch of contentious points to confuse new visitors to the site, and preoccupy and exhaust us as we explain away your falsehoods, whilst expending as little time and effort possible yourself.
Does Tobi work with you over at Sputnik News?
Vestige/voice/think/Dover sounds positively relieved to see the back of Kirchner. Skyscrapers, dams, Chinese accords etc...
Nov 24th, 2015 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes you wonder how on earth Kirchner ever got elected.
Next British Kirchner will declare he's been to specsavers and agrees Cristina was one ugly old hag all along.
28 England
Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Vestige/voice/think/Dover sounds positively relieved to see the back of Kirchner. ”
Yes, they are only on here to aggravate and undermine us - they don't really stand for anything or advocate anything.
they/he are offshore Trolls.
this probably just one venue they/he trolls, and one 'cause' they/he attach themselves/himself to.
Very consistent with the propaganda and conspiracy theories of RT and its 'public' posters.
Now we are rid of her she can escape to theFalklands where she can run for governor.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 09 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Nov 25th, 2015 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Costing the mainland British taxpayer millions every year every year and needlessly causing animosity between UK and the growing south american market” I will simply show how erronious you can be in one speculative sentence.
It costs Argentina more than the UK in their conflict according to Carlos Escudé. He warned: “If Argentina had power, I would not be doing these proposals,” but reasoned that “pursue policies of power without power is counterproductive” because “leads to losing more than you earn systematically”
“La reivindicación argentina de Malvinas solo sirve para comprar el voto de ciudadanos poco educados”
http://www.infobae.com/2014/11/10/1607855-la-reivindicacion-argentina-malvinas-solo-sirve-comprar-el-voto-ciudadanos-poco-educados
Falklands War Cost-Benefit Analysis
The price of war
”Although the Falklands War had a very noticeable short-term impact on defence expenditure, the impact was not long-lasting. Notwithstanding the first few years after the conflict, when South Atlantic expenditure was greatly consumed by the construction of RAF Mount Pleasant (operational from 1986), the amount spent wasn't overly significant. In 1986-7, it was only 2.23% of total defence expenditure, and by 1989-90, a mere 0.33%. At their height (1982-3), the war's effects represented only 6.76% of total defence expenditure.
http://www.infobae.com/2014/11/10/1607855-la-reivindicacion-argentina-malvinas-solo-sirve-comprar-el-voto-ciudadanos-poco-educados
@30 Klingon,
Nov 25th, 2015 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Now we are rid of her she can escape to theFalklands where she can run for governor”
If that's the case,
The UK will return the “Malvinas Governor” to Argentina well within the next 25 years.
The “Malvinas” is the French name for the Falkland Islands.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too many words seem to fluster Vestige.... so to keep it simple:
Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're
wrong
again!
@31 HEPATITIS
Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0¡BASTA! ¡YA ABURRE!
Skip
Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige is too lazy - he's just trying one on, with no intention or ability to defend his statements
Vestige/voice/Think @26
”...I can't comb through all the counter points (or rather lack the motivation to). Im into the whole brevity thing man.”
I know Troy. Vestige has shallow understanding on most points he raises.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0After admitting he lacks motivation to actually read.... well can't say I'm surprised.
@36 gordo1,
Nov 25th, 2015 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just ignore her.
She thrives on attention.
l used to answer her & refute her ridiculous barbs but have decided not to respond anymore.
Have you noticed that most of her posts are in the wee hours?
Either can't sleep because she's eaten up with hatred for us, or she's a night worker somewhere.
l'm only saying that its a “she” because she said she was.
lt could be a bi-sexual budgerigar for all l know!
I'm sure that everything that Mr. Pinkerton has to say is true but he might as well have saved his breath. Mr. Macri has much more important things to deal with than the Falkland Islands. And whatever he personally thinks about the situation, he is going to be governing a country which has been on the receiving end of multi-generational brainwashing where the Islands are concerned. I think we can count on him not pursuing the open belligerence of the Kirchner regime, and he may even quietly normalize relations with the UK. But you are not going to see any olive branches. Why upset your electorate unnecessarily ? The FI right now has nothing of importance to offer him so his best bet is just to ignore the place and get on with solving the myriad problems his predecessor has left him. Unfortunately, that probably means that the avid commentators in these columns will have little material to talk about.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#34 actually no, “ îles Malouines” was the French term, which comes from malouins, or inhabitants of Saint-Malo, in Brittany, which in turn takes its name from the Welsh, Maclow. So not only are the islands British, but some of the fictitious alternative names are ultimately British in origin.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was the rich imagination of the come-lately Argentines that created the mythical Malvinas.
@41 Marti Llazo aka (in English) Mr Hammer Blow - right?
Nov 25th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From your very funny @8 you can only be a chileno! But, I may be wrong!
Saludos.
The truth! On the subject of Argentina's farcical policy towards the Falklands, President Mauricio Macri said: “I never quite understood the sovereignty claims of such a big country as ours. We don't have a space problem such as Israel, for example”.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corruptina Kirchner was kind enough to draw attention to this honest statement during the election campaign in the hope it would damage Macri. Yet another failure by the Botox disaster.
Macri also said: “As far as I know it costs quite a bit to the British Treasury to keep the Falklands”, so if they are recovered for Argentina, “they will become an additional deficit for the country's accounts”.
Now he is having to face up to the massive financial black hole left for him by gorgeous Corruptina. Good luck, Mauricio.
@42 - gordito, the translation would be correct: martillazo. O sea, la confesada falta de sutileza.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment on the sense of humour was very gracious, but I assure you that I have found only a poorly developed and rudimentary sense of humour among most of the chilenitos. Por lo que valga, antes de venir a Argentina (cuando los dinosaurios dominaban la Tierra) yo había vivido en Espanya ( y sabés vos quienes lo escriben así).
un abrazo
40 - your comment seems quite neutral and objective, and makes a fair point.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Macri will likely do as you say, without olive branch, and Argentina will indeed occupy itself with its myriad problems.
What I wonder (and get ranted at for suggesting), is can we expect Argentina to solve major problems and grow stronger over time.
In reality I think it can and will. Argentinas consistent trend of growth and advancements, despite any negatives, proves this.
As with #21 - there it is.
@44 Molt bé! Fins demá!
Nov 25th, 2015 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gordito,
Nov 25th, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salut i pessetes, que tot lo demés són punyetes
@47
Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0D'acord! Adeu!
Maybe you can have a quick look at this website and think for yourselves: https://factsandfictionsofmalvinasislands.wordpress.com/
Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 -missed you. Yes like I said millions. And of course the islands would be a factor in the overall defense budget. So they are a cost, and id argue a liability. Any facility/function they offer is surely available already elsewhere.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Millions annually. Ships/troops/equipment dont just arrive for free.
@41
Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So not only are the islands British, but some of the fictitious alternative names are ultimately British in origin”.
Nice one.
If Brittany like Normandy was once a British possession then the UK could usurp the French claim on Port Louis.
But as it isn't, Argentine theory is inapplicable in this case.
Though as France and the UK were joined before the Ice Age, the Argentine continental shelf theory could work, and the UK could claim St Malo, thus eliminating the Spanish claim.
Returning to Planet Earth, thank you CFK for forcing the Falkland Islanders to be more diplomatically savvy and active to counter- act you.
Has work started on her statue yet?
@49 marasilva
Nov 25th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have all seen this before - just fairy stories, myths and lies presented by another member of the Ruda family. You may care to peruse this concerning the Ruda family and their first attempt http://www.falklandshistory.com/historia-falsa.pdf
50 vestige/voice
Nov 25th, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pffft... yer a bit late to the game, good try.
That old saw has been dealt with numerous times over the years.
Ok Troy Ill believe you.
Nov 25th, 2015 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it might have factored in the bottom line but hey. Brevity ... maan.
54 vestige
Nov 25th, 2015 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not “brevity” - just “not going to defend your statements.”
If you are going to make contentious statements and tell us it is a wasted effort to defend them - you tell us you have no confidence there is any substance to them.
You have already lost, and made yourself look stupid... and lazy.
Ive lost ? ... lol.
Nov 26th, 2015 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok then round 2. Make 1 concise accusation or question.
Prime minister Vestige's questions. Do your worst.
This professional Russian Spanish Argentinian paid by Kirchner and/or Putin troll can take it.
You've already lost.... and now, you've lost again.
Nov 26th, 2015 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get... “lost”!
@56 Vestige,
Nov 26th, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0We could be related, Brad……oh well, you win some & you lose some.
Wont they now have to change that silly constitution.
Nov 26th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Falklands will eventually be an independent country like Malta Bermuda Jamaica and many other island states, why wait?
Nov 26th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vultures spring to mind..
Nov 26th, 2015 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60.... if those other island-states like Malta, Bermuda, .... Cuba, Hawaii, Guam, the Spratleys, whatever.... were anywhere near Argentina, they would be in danger of being colonised by the argentos. Just for being close. Just look at the baseless Argentine “claim” to British Antarctica.
Nov 26th, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 058 - doubtful Isolde, don't you live on the islands ?
Nov 26th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, I only have 10 toes.
63
Nov 26th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and short a few other things... !
dweeb
@63 Vestige,
Nov 26th, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said/inferred that you had Russian blood.
So too, have l.
Twas a jest, there are 150million in Russia, so its very unlikely that we are related.
@64 Troy,
LOLZ!
photographic evidence will prove you wrong.
Nov 26th, 2015 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Coming to terms with reality. A very good and sensible start to begin a better bilateral relationship!
Nov 27th, 2015 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Prime Minister called President-elect Macri of Argentina this afternoon to congratulate him on his recent election win. The leaders agreed that this was an opportunity to strengthen relations between the UK and Argentina and to develop existing trade and investment links. ACKNOWLEDGING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE 2 COUNTRIES, BOTH LEADERS AGREED THE NEED TO PURSUE AND PATH OPEN DIALOGUE, and to work towards a stronger partnership.
Discussing Argentina’s economic reform programme, the Prime Minister pledged UK support, as a fellow member of the G20. He also expressed UK support for an EU-Mercosur free trade agreement to be concluded as soon as possible.
Finally, the Prime Minister wished President-elect Macri well with forming his new administration and both leaders looked forward to meeting in the future”.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-president-elect-macri-25-november-2015
Did he offer millions to help out,
Nov 27th, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0he normaly does.
@67
Nov 27th, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ACKNOWLEDGING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE 2 COUNTRIES, BOTH LEADERS AGREED THE NEED TO PURSUE AND PATH OPEN DIALOGUE, a”
The UK offered Timmerman dialogue a few years back.
He refused because shock, horror, people who lived on the Islands were present.
Macri is skilled in business, If there are talks over the Falklands he will not be stupid enough to deny the Islanders exist and will attend talks with Islanders present(as pre-1982 when Islanders were present at sovereignty talks).
There clearly are differences between the two countries. But the UK, as a country used to dealing in reality rather than incredulous myths, realises that. It would be stupid not to acknowledge that.
This does not negate the fact that Argentina has for years being spewing lies about Falklands history. It does not negate the right of the Falkland Islanders to self determination. It does not negate the fact that the C24's purpose is for de-colonisation of NSGTs and to facilitate their independence not to transfer NSGTs to another coloniser.
The UK holds all the aces here.
It is Argentina that needs help in the G20-not the UK.
It is Argentina that wants to be in a trade agreement with the EU.
Argentina is not a member of the EU, but the UK is, and one of it's largest contributors.
It is Argentina that is in need of help from the UK, indeed it is in receipt of aid from the UK.
Argentina is not sending £millions of aid to the UK-just Malbec, which is inferior to my homemade Elderberry Wine.
Argentina cannot presently even buy out of date jet aircraft to defend itself, unless those aircraft do not use UK equipment.
And if they use equipment made in the USA all Cameron needs to do is remind the USA of Ascension Island and Diego Garcia.
I bet Macri has taken all this into account.
But if your capital letters assume that the Falkland Islander's rights are up for grabs because you get a President who will talk sense, you are mistaken.
The UK holds the cards.
@69 Pete Bog,
Nov 27th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly so,
The U.K. holds ALL the cards,
Argentina merely holds some soggy wet tissues
We will have to wait to see if Macri recognises the truth or if we get more “demands” & theatrical hysterics.
45. In reality I think it can and will. Argentinas consistent trend of growth and advancements, despite any negatives, proves this.
Nov 27th, 2015 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is the only country in the world that is devolving and has been for 70+ years.
Gads you're as delusional as they come.
71 YB
Nov 27th, 2015 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina may well progress with Macri in charge.
What “vestige” @45 fails to mention, is that Macri's fellow Argentines, CFK and the Peronists Party, are doing their best to dig in, and then undermine that recovery.
The worst 'enemies of the people, are from within.
72. It will be interesting to see how it rolls out. Argentina's history is like an anchor around its neck.
Nov 28th, 2015 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's a lot of people, forces and vested interests that will want to make sure he doesn't succeed.
DUMB CONQUEROR, THAT AGREMENT WAS ILEGAL WITH NO PERMISSION FORM THE CONGRESS WHATSOEVER(MENEM-CABALLO POLITICAL ECONOMIC FAILURE) WE DINDT EXPEND 10 YEARS FOR NOTHING, WE WERE CLAIMING .AND THE QUESTION IS: WE WANT TO BE FIRNDS OF THE SQUATTERS?? NOPE.WE JUST NEED TO RESPOLVE YOUR INFORTUNATE ILLEGAL CLAMING SINCE 1833.WE WENT ANMD STILL ARE IN THE UN ASKING DIPLOMATICALLY AND FROM THE BEST HONESTY TO SEAT AND CHAT ,GUESS WHAT?? YOUR DUMB NATION REJECTS, SCARES?? OF WHAT??.WHAT HAVE BEEN DONE UK FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS IN THE UN , ??? SHIT, WE DID SOME BACKM ON 70S FOR THE SQUATTERS, LIKE MEDICENS -HISPITALS IN BS, GAS OIL, AND THE IDEA OD DOUBLOE NATIONALITY.REMEMBER WE ARE ARGIES -ARGENTINES AND WE WONT RENOUNCES TO OUR CAUSE, EVER. DOESNT MATTER WHO IS INT HE PINKY HOUSE
Nov 28th, 2015 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 074 georgeneurus (#) “REMEMBER WE ARE ARGIES -ARGENTINES AND WE WONT RENOUNCES TO OUR CAUSE, EVER. DOESNT MATTER WHO IS INT HE PINKY HOUSE”
Nov 28th, 2015 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, now that is a hard act to follow! NOT! :>
@74
Nov 28th, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“WE JUST NEED TO RESPOLVE YOUR INFORTUNATE ILLEGAL CLAMING SINCE 1833.”
The UK has claimed the Islands since landing in 1690 and first settlement in 1765. What's you nonsense about 1833?
Try looking up some history
“LIKE MEDICENS -HISPITALS IN BS, GAS OIL, AND THE IDEA OD DOUBLOE NATIONALITY.REMEMBER”
Hello! IT. IS. NO. LONGER. THE. 1970s. THE. YEAR. NOW. IS. 2015.
So what can Argentina offer the Falkland Islanders now that they can't supply themselves or get from someone else?
Why is a country of 40 000 000 incapable of persuading ONLY 3000 people that it is better to be Argentine?
You can't answer that can you?
A BIG BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS CLUE- Lionel Messi doesn't play for Boca Juniors but in the country of Argentina's previous colonial masters-WHY?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work this out. Can you?
“AND WE WONT RENOUNCES TO OUR CAUSE”
You've got a long wait. When the sun finally turns into a red dwarf and burns the Earth, the only people that won't have climbed aboard the spaceships that escape earth will be the Argentines who will plant their white national flag on the scorched remains of Scragg Paddock Point.
Argentina will decolonise Tierra del Fuego and return it to the natives within the next 25 years.
Nov 28th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 074@
Nov 28th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0finger stuck again..
@74 georgeneurus,
Nov 28th, 2015 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JUST GO AWAY, IDIOT!
IMBECILE!
I see some parallels here, with the way Anti-British feelings are generated in Argentina
Nov 28th, 2015 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige, Magnus, NOSTRILS, Marcos etc. are dupes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IchGuL501U
80 Troy Tempest
Nov 29th, 2015 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is a good link and you have a valid point.
“Extremism only makes things worse.” The thinking of the 'dupes' that you mention is characteised by indoctrination, intolerance towards other cultures and rabid nationalistic attitudes, i.e Extremism.
CLAIMING WITH NO POSETION ISNT VALIS, INTERNATIONAL LAW, PET BOG.FIRST SETTLEMENT IN 1765 NWAS IN PUERTO SOLEDAD ONLY, THE SAME PLACE WHERE YOU WAS KICKED OUT FINALLY BY SPANIARS IN 1774.THE 1833 ILLEGAL ISURPATION TO A LEGAL GV OF 13 YEARS , AND ACRCHIVES IN BS DONT LIE .AND NOT ONLY WE CAN GIOVE THE SQUATTS MEDICEN DOBLE NATIONALITIES FREESCHOOLS , HIGH SCHOLS, UNIVERSITIES, TEHCNICALS ETC, MUCH MORE TOO, FACILITOES TO GET HOUSES AND MORE, GREAT NATION WE ARE EVENTHOIUGHT OUR INTERNALCONFLCITS.WE NOT INCSPABLE , YOUR NATION UK IS INCAPABLE AND TOO IGNORANT TO SEAT AND GIVE UPO ITS MENTALITY OF IMLERIALSM STILL GOT, THEY WANT BOTH OCEAN TO CONTROL AND THE OIL, WELLL LETS SEE BOUT THE OIL CAISE ISNT GETTING PROFITABLE , AND THE THING IS UK NEVER WAS INTERESTED IT IN THE SQUATTERS AT ALL, THEY JUST GOT THE BRIT NATIONALITHY IN AFTER 1982. GREAQT NATION IS OYURS1!!!.I DID ANSWER YOU DUMMY, SUCK UP NOW LOOSER.SO FUNNY USING MESSI AS AN EXCUSE WHEN YOUR FIRST LEAGUE DOESNT COIUNT THAT MUCH AROUND THE WORLD, DOESNT IT? THE ONLY IDIOT WHO COSTED 100 MILLION IS IN BARZA AND NOBODY NOTICED HIM CAUSE IOT SEEMS THE 100 EAS TOO MIUCH FOR HIM, WHILE OURS PLAYERS ARE RECOGNISED IN EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD, EVEN YOUR DUMB LEAGUE IS FULLM OF FOREGINERS EXPECAILLY LATINOS, DUMB IGNRANT.TRY TO SEE IF WITHOUT LATINOS , FOREIGNERS YOUR LEAGUE WILL COUNT JUST A BIT, JAAAA!.WEN GOT THE BEST PLAYERS ON THE WORLD WITH BRZILIANS AND YOU? AFTER 1966 NOTHIG HAPPENED.... WHY?? HAAAA!!!.IT DOESNT TAKE A ROCK SCIENITS , IT TOOK SOME ROCKEST WIHT COMMUNICATIONS SINCE 1960S AND TODAY ARE ARSATS O THE AIR, THE SAME SPACE YOU WAS WAITING TO OCCUPOY ,SORRY BUT IS TOO LATE BRITS.HAAAA.WONDER WHO BUENED THE EARTH IN 1982?? AA AIR FORCE 8 SUNK AND MANY OUT OF COMBAT, WHEN YOU STUDY HISTOEY WEELL COMABCK DUMB IGNORANT SHIT!!!!
Nov 29th, 2015 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 082
Nov 29th, 2015 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You sound racist.
If Latinos are better than whites, and you have achieved so much, why are you unhappy?
Enjoy your accomplishments.
What are you trying to prove?
Why are you angry?
@83 Troy,
Nov 29th, 2015 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whew! that idiot post before yours really takes the cake.
l'm glad that there are idiots like georgeneurus posting their drivel on here.
lt makes me feel so much more superior to them.lol!
lts a raving loony.
lt must really offend their macho egos to have been defeated by us.
Hey georgeneurus, suck it up, baby. ha ha.
@ 72 georgeupyouranus
Nov 29th, 2015 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Calm down dear, take the capitals off, it seems that you want to shout all the time.
Now when you have done that, leave whilst urinating.
Glad to be of help.
The use of the screaming all-caps by georgeasaurus seems to suggest a coded message that he was choking on his choripan.
Nov 29th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 082 georgeneurus
Nov 29th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all have to acknowledge that some sad individuals on here have only a basic education and suffer from an extremely poor command of English. Because of their reduced intellect they are incapable of forming human relationships and so seek an outlet for their failures by writing childish nonsense here in ignorant, pathetic CAPITAL LETTERS!!!! We just need topity them.
@ 72 Troy Tempest
Nov 29th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OOOPPPSSS!!
I was laughing so much when addressing 'georgeupyouranus' that I inadvertently put the wrong reference!
Please accept my apologies. :o)
82,
Nov 29th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0la la la la la bla bla bla.
88 ChrisR
Nov 29th, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No problem. It was quite apparent.
Thank you.
@82 George
Nov 29th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“FIRST SETTLEMENT IN 1765 NWAS IN PUERTO SOLEDAD ONLY”
No it was Port Egmont.
And Spain weren't at Port Louis UNTIL 1767.
Notice the difference?
We were on the Islands TWO years before Spain.
“SAME PLACE WHERE YOU WAS KICKED OUT FINALLY BY SPANIARS IN 1774.”
Wrong again-Spain kicked us off in 1770, however they allowed us back on because they didn't fancy all out war with Britain.
In 1774 the UK left leaving a plaque of claim, as Spain did in 1811.
Incidently we have Spain to thank for almost causing a war because Britain mobilised a massive fleet and Horatio Nelson joined up then.
“A LEGAL GV OF 13 YEARS”
How come?
Your first claim was made in 1828 by Vernet who SOUGHT PERMISSION FROM GREAT BRITAIN for his colony.
And Britain protested the sending of your militia in October 1832 that ended up murdering the commander while raping his wife. In January 1833 they were asked to leave BY A POLITE LETTER, so your administration (i.e. the people who had NOT asked permission from the British Consulate in Buenos Aires to be in the Islands) had been there THREE MONTHS, not 13 years.
“AND NOT ONLY WE CAN GIOVE THE SQUATTS MEDICEN DOBLE NATIONALITIES FREESCHOOLS , HIGH SCHOLS, UNIVERSITIES, TEHCNICALS ETC, MUCH MORE TOO, FACILITOES TO GET HOUSES AND MORE,”
HELLO, PLANET EARTH CALLING! The Falkland Islands have their own hospital and if they need better facilities they go to C.H.I.L.E or the U.K
They don't need you!
If they wanted double nationality, they would ask for it, but you are too STUPID to understand WHY the Islanders don't want Double nationality.
Your country can't run itself properly, why join it?
The Falkland islanders have funded and built their own high school about TWENTY FIVE years ago. they don't need yours.
Facilities to get houses-?????????????? Do you think the Islanders live in caves?
Universities. The FIG can afford to send their citizens to UK UNIVERSITIES FREE OF CHARGE-why would they want to go to an Argy Uni?
91
Dec 01st, 2015 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be so quick to correct...
I think you will find that Port Egmont wasn't settled until 1766...
“1766– January 8th, John MacBride arrives at Port Egmont with 100 settlers and 25 marines. He erects permanent buildings including the blockhouse for the garrison and names the blockhouse Fort George. The settlement is called Jason’s Town. Cattle, goats, sheep and pigs are put ashore.”
So the only settlement that existed in 1765 was... Port St. Louis....established 17th Feb 1764...
@92 voice
Dec 01st, 2015 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0wee voice can't be honest about anything, Port Louis was indeed settled in 1764, but by France - Spain came later.
What an odd omission, even when he obviously researched dates and histories.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Louis,_Falkland_Islands
D'oh....ya don't say...
Dec 01st, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and where in my post did I say that it was Spain...
Maybe the name was a clue...Louis....
What a numbskull....
I have never understood why anyone thinks what happened or who held what, 200+ years ago matters today.
Dec 01st, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't
Don't even bother bringing it up
Nobody is ever going to move the Falklanders from their property.
Nobody.
They'll never associate with a country in South America
Why would they?
Its your territory only if you can defend it.
All this back and forth nonsense is tiring.
94 wee man
Dec 01st, 2015 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“.and where in my post did I say that it was Spain...
Maybe the name was a clue...Louis....
What a numbskull”
The original poster's point was that the Spanish were there before the British and had a better claim.
Your oily incomplete response was an attempt to give the impression that the Spanish founded Fort St. Louis and were therefore, ahead of the British. You did not mention the French for a reason.
A kack- handed snide wee subterfuge - but that's what you're all about.
Speaking of numbskulls, your whole post was a supposed cou
2015 and Falkland Islands are British.
Dec 03rd, 2015 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Being somewhere first doesn't give any rights to reverse a current reality. Just ask the natives of the Americas and Australia.
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