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Argentina's presidential baton, sash, Zamba and a last minute protocol soap opera

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A growing spat between Argentina's outgoing president and president elect over inauguration day logistics took a strange turn Friday, with the silversmith responsible for crafting a ceremonial baton saying an assistant was threatened by possible police action, and fears the whole transfer ceremony could turn into a shouting contest between supporters from the two groupings. Read full article

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  • ElaineB

    Cfk is infantile and a bad loser.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    As reported in BubbleAR Thursday, Maximo
    Kirchner is preparing his La Campora activists for a massive street demonstration in front of Congress, to mar the “normalcy” of the transition and Macri's swearing-in and baton presentation.

    He wishes to avoid that.

    CFK is a childish attention seeker who will be an irrelevant has-been, after the morning of the 10th.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Argentina is not used to peaceful and democratic transfers of power between different parties...... and it is showing.

    It does surprise me. For someone who is so vain about her looks and legacy, her final act as president will go down as petulant.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    A stupid sash and magic wand don't make you a President. Its probably a good time to give up that outdated ceremony.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    CFK is like a spoiled brat 13 year-old teenager. What a disgrace. The people of this country should hang their heads in shame.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    Oh boy, what a pathetic bad loser.
    I'll be in Congreso and Casa Rosada that day celebrating our next president taking charge. Hope i can get a selfie xD.
    But honestly, not only i will have to be on the lookout for possible terrorist attacks, but also keep and eye for camporist thugs.
    We'll kick their asses if they start rioting or boo'ing the new president.
    To hell with these scumbags.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Did anyone think this narcissistic hag would go quietly?
    Shes a troublemaker like Obama.
    The two are very very similar

    Macri needs to get all the filthy K scum under indictment immediately after he takes office.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Earthfarmer

    She can keep her royal nipple rings. They will not be needed.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (6)

    I have news for you...

    The transfer ceremony will be on the 10th. of December 2015...; not 1976...

    if you “kick anybody's arse” just for booing at that ceremony..., I can guarantee you that you will do time in either Ezeiza or Marcos Paz federal prisions...

    Try to grow up...
    El Think...

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Now that the dirty Ks are gone it will be interesting to see where the Nisman case and the Ephedrine (40 TONS are missing) leads.
    My guess it leads right to the Kirchners.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    “Many of us look at this and think, ’How embarrassing’,” said Martin Bohmer, former dean of the law school at the University of Buenos Aires. “It’s amazing that we are having so much trouble transferring power.”
    ...
    News columnists and social media pundits have speculated that Macri will refuse to bow to Fernández, and will simply put on his own presidential sash or ask a top official in his administration to do it.

    Ignacio Fidanza, director of popular political website lapoliticaonline.com, said Fernández was being “whimsical”.

    “She is in a state of shock after 12 years in power and doesn’t understand that she’ll no longer be president,” said Fidanza.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/04/argentina-mauricio-macri-cristina-fernandez-baton-inauguration

    Very interesting report here;
    Maduro’s Sisters Hold Secret Meeting with Kirchner in Buenos Aires
    Clarín Journalist Reveals Private Encounter with Outgoing Argentinean President.
    “María Adelaida and María Teresa Maduro Moros, Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro’s sisters, traveled on Friday, November 27, to Buenos Aires, Argentina, and left the country the next day. The reason for the trip is still unknown.”
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/04/argentina-mauricio-macri-cristina-fernandez-baton-inauguration

    I will post more about this on the Venezuela threads later.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willi1

    the kretina gang - stick them all into a bag, beat on it - and you always hit the right person.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Narcissism is the essence of the leftist, socialist, commie, marxist, perronist, psuedopopulist regime. Obamy affirms this everyday in every way. Every crisis is a mega selfie opportunity to inject one's self into fore of every legimate need and denigrate conservative Republican solutions in the process. When trying to craft the cult of personality to define your legacy is more important than governance/statesmanship your true agenda is revealed.

    Here is the difference between Obamy and Cretina. Cretina at least pays lip service to the sovereignty of rottingroadkill and espouses a love for it. Obamy has repeatedly articulated that he wishes to subrogate America to a world order and can barely conceal his loathing of the values and traditions that have defined the United States.

    Obamy - like Cretina - a lawyer, values the law only when it serves his agenda and otherwise seeks to usurp legislative authority. Similarly, he appears to be trying to inflict as much damage as possible on America and its institutions in his waning days. A similar political effect is witnessed. Liberalism is being rejected for Conservatism at a pace unprecedented since the 1800's.

    Bye, by Cretina.

    So long.

    A'dios.

    Ciao.

    You aren't ever coming back.

    Even the crazies don't want you.

    Even your son the Toad - you think he isn't embarrassed by you?

    I'm thinking that Africa is going to be your exile.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    The sun is glinting just below the horizon in BA, a new day will soon dawn and sanity and justice will get a new chance to blossom. Lets hope it shines into Venezuala too and SA begins to rid itself of fools and reach its full potential.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vero's_guy

    I have to laugh at this, the last desperate act of a (almost certainly) mentally ill woman who after 12 years or so in the Casa Rosada cannot bear the thought that she, and all she stood for, has been rejected. She reminds me so much of Thatcher, who after a decade of power, and the deluded trappings of office, could not see that nobody wanted them any more, and had to be dragged kicking and screaming from the official residence.
    And dear me, dear me, there is some really sick and twisted individuals posting here...

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    #9
    >Thinks booing a president makes him look civilized
    >Tell other people to behave.

    Also, i'm pretty sure these prisons will be overcrowded with campora thugs, just fyi.
    It's funny to see a K still bleed by its wound.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Think IS a Campora thug, He should know. Child of a Nazi War Criminal too..

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (15)

    Booing at a President, Prime Minister (or anybody else for that matter) may not make the booing person look civilized.., but it is a traditional, acceptable and peaceful way of showing ones disagreement in parliamentary democracies...

    Kicking a person's arse for booing in a democracy is a crime... in Buenos Aires..., in Bradford... or in Bujumbura...

    Yes..., I'm telling you to behave or do your time if you commit the crime...
    CAPISCE ???

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    @15
    ''Turnip? ''
    Oh look, i call people names so the other posters think i am a smart person.

    Also, no. Booing is not acceptable. Learn to accept a defeat and grow up
    With that being said, you don't get to tell me or people how to behave, it's you and your ignorant gang that should take your business elsewhere or might end up in jail. Your as a government freeloader is over, just like your salary. Enjoy your last days.
    Meanwhile, do like your peers at the FPV bunker, start looking for a job.

    Capisce? Yeah, very common from thugs like you, too bad, that doesn't work anymore here.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (18)

    Would you please tell me how a normal, socially engaged Argentinean citizen like me can differentiate between a poster like you, that publicly threatens other people with violence for expressing themselves from the worst thuggish elements of the Peronist party???

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    @19
    You don't seem very normal tbqh, and not very socially engaged either considering you spend most of your time here.

    Not a threat, just learn to know your place. Simple as that.
    Learn to respect what the majority has voted.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Livingthedream

    Such a backward country!

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (20)

    I only judge posters by their comments in here...

    Contrary to you..., I don't make wrong assumptions... nor threats...

    You say it is NOT a threat telling people you will “Kick their arses” if their express themselves peacefully... huhhhh???

    A bit like Videla telling us “ They are not dead... they are desaparecidos”..., remember?

    As I thought... No difference whatsoever between an unwashed Gorilla like you and the worst thuggish elements from the Peronist party...

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Peronists are like street dogs.
    They'll act up in a pack but get this one by one and they're like a scared rabbit.

    In their hearts they are cowards.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    Gorila, such an old term, typical peronista name calling whoever thinks different. No wonder we're stuck in the past.
    Peronismo is the cancer that destroyed this country. It should have never happened. Videla didn't finish the job. That's the problem.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    11 ilsen

    Good post, but troubling about Maduro sisters.

    Think

    An organized public protest to boo the new leader is definitely NOT acceptable - it is not only disrespectful of the new President who was popularly elected by a majority of citizens to hold top office and represent the country, but is disrespectful of the process and concept of Democracy itself.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Well I think you people are to harsh on the old witch,

    I think she should apply to run the unmighty UN , after all she spent most of her life crying outside the place,

    im sure David will help her out,
    she could be appointed our overseas ambassador to Argentina....lol
    chuckle chuckle...

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (24)

    “Videla didn't finish the job”, you say in Argentina...
    “Adolf didn't finish the job”, your “coreligionists” say in Europe...
    I have nothing left to say to your kind...
    Have an interesting life...

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    So what sewer did “El Think” crawl out of this time? Maybe he will join la cretina in her hideout.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (29) Kanuk Ex-Pat Turnip living in Mendoza...

    Still enjoying the hospitality of my Country, paying us back with insults huhhhhh?

    How very Anglo of you...

    Wonder what your excuse for being such an ignorant Turnip will be now that we got an Anglo friendly administration...?

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Elected representatives booing the Argentinean president..... can't wait to see that.

    Great image for Argentina.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Rgs are not really known for their civility.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @30 ThinksVoice,

    “Still enjoying the hospitality of my Country, paying us back with insults huhhhhh?”

    LOL !! Oh, the fake indignation... the delicious irony !!!

    “Think”, you do not live in Argentina any more than that other Troll, Enrique.

    Dec 05th, 2015 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Think, child of Nazi War Criminal, paid troll is now washed up. Who is the turnip now? Falkland Islands are still British, Falkland Islands GDP per head more than double that of Argentina. Peronism is finished, its just a failed philosophy backed by a minority of losers and noxious thugs.

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @30
    Drink, have you started looking for an Afro -Argentine to stab for that very Argentine Martin Fierro Christmas? Remember, if you cannot find one to kill, you are less than a man!

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vero's_guy

    Goodness me, there really are some people posting here that have some “issues”.
    Onwards and upwards, eh?

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @32
    Rgs are not really known, how could one possibly know what goes on in an Argentinians mind? A bit like flipping a coin.

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    It seems that Macri has told CFK that the handing over ceremony will be at the Casa Rosada with or without her.

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Reports say CFK is determined that Macri should bow in front of her, and the public, to receive the Presidential Sash.

    However, this is thought to be unlikely to occur...
    :-)
    She just can't let it go, can she?

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    What a load of tosh, all this fuss over a piece of wood with silver accoutriments and a piece of cloth called a sash. The Argies are so up their own arse.

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    I know what I would do with tbe staff and sash if I was Macri. Tbe staff would go where the sun don't shine and the sash would make an ideal gag. In England we have the crown, the orb and mace far more classy..

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    CFK believes she has the entitlements of an aristocratic, yet displays none of the refinement or the breeding.

    She's on a par with the “last King of Scotland” - Big Daddy, Idi Amin.

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    “What a load of tosh, all this fuss over a piece of wood with silver accoutriments and a piece of cloth called a sash. The Argies are so up their own arse.”

    A BRIT calling out others for overly pompous aggrandizing of meaningless symbols, regalia, and figure heads is like a skunk calling out a pig for bad smell.

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @42 Indeed. The 'woman of the poor' is very attached to the trappings of aristocratic class.

    Macri spoke about his telephone conversation with CFK and implied that she was fixed in her opinion so he said they would use someone else to take part in the ceremony. Highly amusing.

    Interestingly, Peron held the ceremony in the Casa Rosada. This is everything about the planned disruption of events by La Campora and nothing else.

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Nostril, you are up against 1000 years of history and tradition, something with which your grubby little habitat cannot compare. Bet you are a Downton Abbey fan!

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @43
    Ever seen the Queen having a hissy fit, grow up. I spent nearly 3 years in Argentina and can say you lot are just something else, again grow up and grow a pair.

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Apparently Spain and Argentina conspired to assist Hitler in 1945 , and apparently Hitler died in Argentina sometime in the 1980s,

    so they say,

    After all, that's what friends are for....

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    47 Its Mr Hitler according to Think. You can see where his sympathys lie..with the fascists. Seig Hiel!

    Dec 06th, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    It's sieg heil, you fucking idiot.

    For some reason you think you're better than people like Think or Nostrils. At least they got an original name and post original crap unlike your continually recycled shyte.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    @45

    Oh so NOW history does count, doesn't it?

    It's like I always have said with EUians, when it's about achievements and tradition, then we are supposed to count in all the “great things” their countries have done. But when it's time to tally up the wrongs and the crimes, then “that happened 10 / 20 / 100 years ago, let's just forget about it ok?”

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    EUians......

    Poor Nostrils, he never can persevere. He always slips back into his familiar grooves.

    Such a weak, weak personality.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @51 Yup, and he has not the intelligence to keep up the pretence. In fact, non of the trolls have.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    The K gov't is a farce to the very last second. I love it!

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Why is it that the countries with the least power make such a song and dance about the president having 'symbols' of power?

    I don't think the US hand over a 'baton and whatever' at the inauguration of the President and Camoron doesn't get to have the gigantic dummy that he richly deserves to complete his infantile 'rule'.

    They are children these rulers of SA.

    TMBOA seems to have forgotten that picture of her grasping the stick with both hands whilst behind her Bug Eye was holding the silver end and smiling at the camera as if to say 'don't worry, the Mad Bitch will be held in check'. Well that worked out well, didn't it?

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    So CFK has said she won't be attending the ceremony at the Casa Rosada but will instead be taking an Aerolineas flight back to Rio Gallegos to attend the inauguration of his sister, Alicia Kirchner, as governor of Santa Cruz. (As far as I know Aerolineas only have coach class on domestic flights). You can see why CFK is scurrying back to where she still holds some power. Do you think she has any concept of how childish she looks?

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    I think Macri played it well, actually. CFK looks bad.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    This is such a joke...Elaine...I think she is rushing back to Rio Gallegos because that is where her husband stole most of his money...and maybe she is hoping that some might show up in the governor's office....
    CFK looks worse than bad, she looks like a damn fool. Then again...you are what you eat.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    She looks bad if she does this and how will it look to all her adoring La Camporas? If they really are intending to congregate to give her a send off and jeer at Macri, it will look like she is abandoning them. Which, of course, she is. They are no use to her now.

    Rio Gallegos is where she still has some power and probably still feels important. I would like to see her in economy though. I seem to remember it was pretty snug with 6 seats across. I can't imagine Max would fit into one seat if he is travelling with her.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (49) Meine liebe Aussie Rübe...

    Auf Deutsch fangen Hauptworte immer mit Großbuchstaben an...
    “Sieg Heil” heißt es dann...

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tHroUGH_THE_lOOKING_GlASS

    @54

    No, they put their hand on a BIBLE and if that's not Delusions of Grandeur (as if God gives a hoot about it), then heck what else can be?

    Maybe some silly goosestepping guards changing a flag in front of a giant fence palaced for a subsidized family could top it, maybe some country out there fits the bill.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    60 You sound like “Semper” and “Mack” - unintellible!

    Still, it beats the German nonsense of Idiot ThinkVoice

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    TMBOA could always take up practising law, if only she could that damned Law Degree that seems never to have been issued as she did not finish the course.

    Bit like running the country: she could never cope with the 'downs' without needing surgery of a spell in hospital hiding from reality.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @58 ElaineB

    “She looks bad if she does this and how will it look to all her adoring La Camporas? If they really are intending to congregate to give her a send off and jeer at Macri, it will look like she is abandoning them. Which, of course, she is. They are no use to her now”

    Surely they will miss the weekly CFK Adulation Fest and “spontaneous” rallies.

    Dec 07th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @62
    ChrisR, she could always have a fake one made, seems nothing is impossible in Argie land. I recall that anyone who attended classes ( evenings ) so called Universities ( Night school ) were given a diploma and called Professora de whatever.

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @60

    “Maybe some silly goosestepping guards changing a flag in front of a giant fence palaced for a subsidized family could top it, maybe some country out there fits the bill”

    Yes, North Korea whose dictator has the Peaky Blinder haircut.

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    @58 “If they really are intending to congregate to give her a send off and jeer at Macri, it will look like she is abandoning them. Which, of course, she is. They are no use to her now.”

    And now CFK won't even attend Congress! She is so ungracious in defeat that she cannot face Macri's ceremony so she's doing a runner. I'm sure she never intended to attend at either location and wanted to try and blame Macri for her non-attendance. That didn't work when he said she was welcome to attend. She hasn't realised that not everyone has the same hissy fit mentality as her.

    Her claim that Macri was screaming at her seems to have backfired too - even her own supporters don't believe this one. My wife used to work for Macri (in his Boca Junior days) and she says she saw him very angry on occasion but he never once raised his voice.

    And now they appear to have gone completely mad and are accusing Macri of leaving the country without authorisation for 12 hours and a coup. No idea if these 2 claims are somehow related, but I guess when you've completely lost all reason nothing much makes sense any more.

    Dec 08th, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    66 Zaphod

    Interesting background info - Thx

    Dec 09th, 2015 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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