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PM Cameron asks for flexibility from EU leaders; confirms 2017 referendum
Britain's David Cameron has urged EU leaders to show “flexibility” and “work together” to help him reduce migration numbers. The PM said “unprecedented” levels of immigration were “undermining support for the European Union” in the UK. Cameron presented his bid to reform the EU for over half-an-hour at dinner at the European Council summit in Brussels. Read full article
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Dec 21st, 2015 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Portugal wants freedom of movement and residence between Portuguese-speaking countries, Brazil sees idea with caution.”
Some Luso-Brazilian sources have even admit the restoration of the old broken political ties in 1822.
Apparently the EU is no longer unanimously.
Or have any interest behind it all?
If it does not lead to backdoor immigration to the rest of Europe, fair enough.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil only accept such an agreement if Portugal leave the EU. And of the Schengen Treaty.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Cameron also revealed that the Referendum Bill had received Royal Assent, meaning the UK vote would definitely take place by the end of 2017”
Dec 21st, 2015 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That may be so. but WHAT is the government doing to secure no strong arm tactics to 'ensure' the UK stays shackled to the EU?
Camoron is already facing a revolt by his own ministers who have warned him that unless they are 'free to vote against the EU' it will be very serious for the party. Sod the 'partY' who clearly are not Conservatives but more like a bunch of wet rags, WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTRY!
@1. Brazil and Portugal are irrelevant.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3. Here's the deal. Brazil takes all migrants. Gives all of them free housing. Free healthcare. Free education. Unpaid for in-work benefits. Unpaid for unemployed benefits. And benefits for all “relatives”.
@4. We must get OUT. The EU pulls stunts all the time. Anybody see “ever closer union” coming if we didn't want it? How about EU diktats that can't be resisted? Who told the EU it could take control of British roads? Or rename the English Channel? Demand British money? Perhaps it would it would enjoy British aircraft bombing Berlin, Brussels, Paris and Strasbourg? Perhaps German, Belgian, French individuals would enjoy arriving to a storm of bullets?
Our way, or no way.
We know Cameron's mind. There will be no more migrants. Perhaps many already here will be expelled. Don't get in our way.
@5 England is the European Union. And Germany is the boss.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil and Portugal is the same thing!
#6
Dec 21st, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try that in understandable English please.
England is the European Union itself, that is does not have its own identity. Within the European Union the leading nation is Germany, so I think natural that the German supremacy determine the way forward.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the eight Lusophone countries they all have the same identity.
#8
Dec 21st, 2015 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to agree with you. England does not have it's own identity in the EU.
It is NOT a member of the EU.
The UK, of which England is the largest country, does.
Germany can propose or suggest changes but needs the votes of the other member states to implement them.
@8
Dec 21st, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasso will you not learn? Cameron is negociating for the UNITED KINGDOM not just ENGLAND, Christ you are uneducated. Cameron is the Prime Minister of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. And no we are NOT the European Union.
Interesting to see Brits get so excited about EU immigration when most of the immigrants in GB are from non-EU countries.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God damn EU flooding the place with Pakistanis, Indians and Aussies.
Why can't they be more like the Brits and just stay at home*.
*does not include the 900,000 Brits living in Spain, because .... well thats different.
Notice the eerie absence of thousands of marching citizens in Paris or Berlin pleading with Brussels to adapt to GB's demands lest the precious GB leave.
Silent streets.
No special treatment for you. Get back in line or hit the road.
.Can I just say? Something I read.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No race or nation has ever in history has witnessed a phenomenon where its own government leaders express a hatred and self-loathing of its own people
The EU and the west have deliberately and knowingly joined a cultural suicide pact created by stealth and evil people, letting in millions of immigrants
Especially the British elite and government and now the opposition who for some suicidal reason seem to be anti-British and ashamed, to be proud to be British and can’t wait to sell its own people down the drain,
No government has a right to give away our freedom and independent sovereignty without consulting the British people without lying, All they ever do on immigration is lie upon lie,
Churchill made a quote that said-
Nothing can save Great Britain, if she will not save herself, if we lose faith on ourselves, in our capacity to guide and govern, if we lose our will to live, then indeed our story is sold,
Vote to get out, or become part of a future united states of a failing union..
Oath of Supremacy part of, Text of the Oath as published in 1559 re-text in 2015
Could say in part we the British government do utterly testify and declare in our conscience that the Queen's Highness is the only supreme governor of this realm, and of all other her Highness's dominions and countries, as well in all spiritual or ecclesiastical things or causes, as temporal, that no foreign prince, person, government state or potentate European union hath or ought to have no power or any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority ecclesiastical or spiritual within this realm; and therefore we do renounce and forsake all foreign jurisdictions, powers, superiorities and authorities, and do promise that from henceforth we shall defend this realm forever for the British people, and only for the British people, so say we all,
My version..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy9_lfjQopU
Dec 21st, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its time for us to go,
Dec 21st, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the ship is sinking,
and we have the only lifeboat,
bye bye.
see ya.
Dec 21st, 2015 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Dec 21st, 2015 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, there are 900,000 Brits in Spain, but they are mostly retired people who have bought their own property and are spending their lump sums and pensions there. The same cannot be said about the people coming to live here. I would be happy with a million wealthy retired Spaniards coming to the UK to live, but we have an endless flood of eastern european unskilled people wanting to live here that are a massive burden to us, there is a big difference.
16 - no no no. an immigrant is an immigrant.
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0sudden change in policy aside, how do you know they're all so rich and retired.
i'd much prefer a hard working Pole for neighbor than some of the choice specimen... dirty immigrant types... from Benidorm. Who dont seem very rich, refined, or retired.
17 Verbiage
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“... - no no no. an immigrant is an immigrant”
No, you don't get to choose - we do.
#11
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting to see Brits get so excited about EU immigration when most of the immigrants in GB are from non-EU countries.
Could you direct me to the Statistical information from the UK Stat. office that backs up your assertion. I tried to confirm this but could not .
Is it perchance one of your throw away remarks based on nothing but your Troll behaviour ?
@11. Have you perchance noticed that, one way or another, the EU gets to sticking its grubby little nose into all migration matters. Directives, regulations, EctHR, ECJ. You'd think that the UK could do what it liked about non-EU migration. But the EU has a “common” policy, and rules, on asylum seekers. And visas. Want to get rid of a convicted murderer, rapist, paedophile, illegal immigrant? Time for the ECtHR and greedy lawyers. Could we perhaps have a law that legal aid is not available to such people? The lawyers got all upset as they saw legal aid being reduced. The unqualified ECtHR got the jitters.
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And there's the small matter of WHO gets in. In the YE March 2015, non-EU migrants increased by 39,000 to 196,000. EU migrants increased by 53,000 to 183,000. See how many EU migrants are flooding in? How EU and non-EU are now much the same? When you're rabbiting about 900,000 Brits living in spain, it's now down to 800,000 as the PP increase the cost of living. And here's a bit about benefits in spain.
http://www.lanzaroteinformation.com/content/benefits-available-british-citizens-spain
Note that, for the most part, you have to have contributed. No contributions and you're on your own. I expect those 800,000 Brits took their UK benefits and their money with them. So they aren't really relevant to a discussion centring around freebie benefits in the UK, are they?
Probably best if you knew what you were talking about.
12. No race or nation has ever in history has witnessed a phenomenon where its own government leaders express a hatred and self-loathing of its own people
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The EU and the west have deliberately and knowingly joined a cultural suicide pact created by stealth and evil people, letting in millions of immigrants
Obama is doing the same thing here in the USA.
Hopefully it will stop with the next Prez
I want an immigrations system built on points and only let in those qualified people who we need to make our economy better.
18 - Define immigrant how you will, it won't make any difference, your own dictionary will have the last word.
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On here it works a bit like this:
'stupid immigrants'. 'dirty immigrants'. 'all immigrants are the same'. etc.
And then yours truly points out the 900,000 British immigrants .... or is that “ex-pats” :) ... and it quickly changes to ....'yeah but...'.
Conq wants to blame the EU for the court of human rights keeping in psychos let in by GB. Maybe don't screw up in the first place and it wont be an issue.
19 - http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_346219.pdf
page 6, if you want the 2015 version then google is your friend.
Vestige,
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do not speak for me how immigrants are defined. Nor do you speak for anyone, but yourself. You can chose to point out any poster on here, but you know nothing about them.
Countries have a process for accepting immigrants. It is based on what that government wants to do to filter applicants.
In developed Democracies policies are shaped by professionals as well as the Electorate.
Economic and Humanitarian factors are taken into account.
Keep your hatefulness and playing the victim to yourself.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/immigrant
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
“A person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country”.
Like those many hundreds of thousands of British immigrants in Spain.
Vestige, the vast majority of British people have no problem with immigrants, we are a very tolerant people. The problem is that because our economy is so successful and needs many new workers millions have arrived in the space of 5 years. This has caused a housing crisis and overloaed public services. Immigration has to slow down.
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In contrast SA is extremely intolerant. Dont tar us all with a racist brush its just not true.
It may have to slow down, but what I've seen is Brits get all uppity about the EU in the context of immigration debates, cursing Brussels .... while most of Britain's immigration isn't even from the EU.
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its from non-Eu countries.
So stop shaking your fists at the evil EU, they didn't put the halal shop or the mosque on the corner of your street - you did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_immigration_to_the_United_Kingdom#Comparison_with_other_countries_from_European_Union
3.6% .... very slightly above EU27 average, nothing remarkable.
Thank you come again.
@26 Vestige,
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your self-entitled righteous indignation is hilarious!
WE decide who and how many enter our countries - NOT YOU.
When it comes right down to it - if it doesn't work for us, however we decide who is 'eligible' or 'worthy', then the doors will close.
You can scream “its not fair!” all you like - you don't set the terms. Did you get turned down??
I hear that Spaniards and “EUians” are flooding into Arg. once again - are you taking the educated, the wealthy, are yoou discriminating against the unskilled and the poor, or just admitting them as a sub-class, like the derided Bolivian immigrants to Arg.?
There is a great difference between a retiree supporting the real estate values in another country, employing people and supporting the economy through purchases than one who comes to live off the State.
Dec 22nd, 2015 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't see Brits going to Spain or anywhere to live off the State.
Its a false analogy
and a very poor argument.
27- I never claimed to decide who enters GB.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to close the doors then good luck to you. (Just remember you do have maybe 2 million British immigrants in Europe).
28 - what stats or reliable info are you working off. I don't know of any Spanish people who emigrated to GB to live off the state.
As for all of this - the main point is that Brits are whinging about EU immigration, when most of GB's immigration is from non-EU countries.
Its misplaced butthurt, and blaming someone else for your own screw ups.
A quick shoutout to the good folks of Magaluf and Benidorm a+e departments for what they'll have to face in the coming weekends. Inflated property indeed.
@29 verbiage
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“... the main point is that Brits are whinging about EU immigration...”
The UK is quite right to be concerned. Why not - they will have to bear the cost and consequences if it is not implemented properly.
The UK would be foolish to allow somebody else to dictate their immigration policies if there are potential problems.
What are you crying about?
29@
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if one is thinking that one should open the doors to let anyone and everyone in,
perhaps you should take the million plus,
then come back and tell us all how nice and welcoming you were,
perhaps we might change our minds,
but I doubt it.
but please feel free to set a fine example and let the millions into your country.
Immigration is not a right it is a privilege. Lefties often don't know the difference. We're having the same issues here in the USA. The left wants to grant 'Constitutional” rights to people who don't even live here.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not a smart group.
Sometimes I think Lefties are out to destroy the USA and everything we've built.
,All day, this crap on the BBC,
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talk abt unbiased brainwashing.
Leaving EU could lead to break-up of UK, scaremongering top Tory warns
TORY William Hague has warned the UK could break-up if it leaves the EU while “gravely weakening its former continental partners”.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/628988/William-Hague-European-Union-Referendum-David-Cameron-Britain-UK
Mr Haig who wrote this back in July 2008 after brown signed away our country via the Lisbon treaty without telling parliament till 24 hours after the deed was done ,you said “Gordon brown has no democratic right or moral authority to sign it
I quote you Mr Haig you went on to say” A NEW CONSERVATIVE GOV WOULD TAKE BACK THE INSTRUMENT OF RATIFICATION AND PUT THE TREATY TO REFERENDUM RECOMMENDING A NO VOTE!” and yet here you are scaremongering, when if you did your jobs decently you could have stopped the Lisbon treaty in its tracks, but you are all Bilderbergers, who care not a bit about us your speech proves what hypocrites you all are
- I remember clearly that Hague was anti-EU in the run up to the 2010 GE, but immediately after (like 24 hours after) was despatched to the continent by Cameron to be brainwashed to say we Tories are all in the pro-EU camp.
Out out.and sod em all..
we are being brainwashed ,
so they say.
vote to get out.
@5
Dec 27th, 2015 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Our way, or no way.”
What I have been saying here since my arrival 4+ years ago: it's the Anglo way or no way.
Well, I rest my case.
Britain: The “EXIT” sign is that way!
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