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Malvinas sovereignty question is a 'State objective', says Argentine deputy foreign minister
Malvinas Islands sovereignty claim is a “State objective”, and Argentine diplomacy “will do everything possible to reach a political consensus to design a State strategy” underlined Argentina's Deputy foreign minister Carlos Foradori during an open debate on the 50th anniversary of the UN General Assembly Resolution 2065 Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhats new? Same agenda - same wolves only dressing like sheep - for them moment!
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are they really that thick.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Discussion..Argentina...We want the Falklands.
UK ....Certainly NOT.
Discussions concluded.
I had thought Macri may have been in better control of this than it appears.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know he has to walk the line for the numbnuts who have been indoctrinated in true Nazi style by Bug Eye and TMBOA but surely he can control his own junior minister?
As for the idiot who 'recalls the pope blah, blah, blah', I recall the Dope of an Argy Pope being suckered by supporters of TMBOA and the photograph only showed the poster apparently being held by the popesicle, he was never holding it in reality. But this pompous twat knew that, didn't he?
No dispute as far as we are concerned. And in anycase the Argys got that resolution by deceit and as such it makes the resolution null and void. By invading the islands in 82 they also broke the rules of the resolution. End of story nothing to even get a sweat over
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 buffoon
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your paranoia with the pope continues, I see! Do you have erotic dreams about him?
Quotes pulled from above.......
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0said Foradori, who then added that reaching a dialogue with the US on the Malvinas question constitutes a “State objective”.
Valdés who asked the Argentine government to take the issue to the European Union and insist on the UK to sit and dialogue.
It would be good if that accord also calls on the EU to convince the UK to sit and dialogue“, he added.
Well, that would be interesting if it came about.
Would the USA intervene ? They would have to choose between Argentina and the UK. Losing favour with which would damage them the most?
We would NOT look on the USA as an honest broker.
Getting the EU to insist on a dialogue between Argentina and the UK.
Result... A 100% vote by the British public to leave the EU.
Would the EU risk it and for what advantage ? A free choripan for all it's members ?
Platitudes for the idiot Malvinistas
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The matter is already settled.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-bottom-line.pdf
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/the-bottom-line.pdf
I guess the british polititians will eventually underestand that Argentina will always claims the Malvinas Islands, no matter the government or the economic situation.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The british polititians always says that we claim the islands when there is a crisis. Well there is always a crisis here but even if there is not crisis we have always claimed them and always will.
@3
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“he was never holding it in reality.”
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/08/20/controversy-after-francis-photographed-holding-falklands-sign/
@8. Perhaps, one day, you mobsters will eventually understand that you have NO valid claim. It's various small items like international law at the relevant time, international treaties, history, the war you started and lost, the wishes of the Islanders. So you can claim for the next 10,000 years. Makes no real difference to us.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember the weeks it took to get a Task Force there in '82? Imagine how many hours before the Voyager tanker transports start landing with troops and equipment, the C-17s landing with tanks, artillery, helicopters and more troops. Watch for the 8,000 personnel of 16 Air Assault Brigade. You'll enjoy the Apache attack helicopters. Then the additional Typhoons will be arriving. In the meantime, the submarines will be launching their cruise missiles. Look on the good side. In almost no time you'll have lots more “museum ships” sitting on the bottom somewhere.
Once again, for domestic consumption
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11. Then let the British reaction also be for “domestic consumption”. Years back I told the Islands how to respond to argie lies during the Overseas Territories Consultation. Did they read my advice or just figure it out for themselves? I don't know. I'd like to think that I helped the Islanders. In '82, the argies thought that Britain wouldn't respond. We did. Only fair that argies should know what we'll do to them. Attack our territory and nothing of theirs is safe. Argie naval bases attacked by Typhoons, submarines and maybe Apaches. Air bases attacked by whatever can reach. Buenos Aires targeted. One stupid mistake in '82. Next time it could be for real! Worth remembering the First and Second World Wars. After the First, Germany was given and chance. After the Second, no chance.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine just sees the British as weak livered,
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Camaro and tail crawling to the EU masters begging for crumbs,
corbyn who loves Argentina and hates us,
the libdems still floating in cuckoo land,
no wonder they never give up,
Britain should ?????
and end it once and for all,
but we wont.
just saying like.
Silly kelpers. Macaroni is just another rottingroadkillian.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone that references a UN document as pretext for right is an idiot.
Might makes right.
The rottingroadkillians failed in their exercise of might.
When paper will impede the progress of a .50 caliber projectile a document issued by a weak, corrupt world “ peace keeping body ” will mean something.
The UN has done more to perpetuate the festering unresolved conflicts of
the world than it has done to stop them. Anyone that argues otherwise is an idot. All you have to do is look at their administered buffer zones. Clueless twits.
@8 Liberato
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“even if there is not crisis we have always claimed them and always will.”
That's up to you.
But being unable to conclusively refute the British claim which preceded yours isn't going to help.
Trying the force the US on your side will simply result in the Islander's meeting the USA and proving the claim is false.
If Argentina think that they can force the EU to get the UK to discuss the Falklands against the will of the inhabitants (who you must realise GET EU GRANTS), this will stir up anti-EU hatred in the UK.
The EU might not care if the UK leave, but they will miss the UK's money, whereas what have Argentina got to offer the EU to replace the £6 billion they get off the UK?
If push comes to shove, does Argentina really think the US will back Argentina over the Falklands when the UK could say OK then, get the hell off Ascension Island and Diego Garcia?
What has Argentina got to offer the US to compensate for that?
A military base in the River Plate or Tierra del Fuego perhaps?
If you go to the ICJ on the basis of the false information that Ruda gave in the 1960s, it will be demolished in court.
All Argentina can prove is that Spain had a previous claim, which is true, but you have been unable to conclusively prove that Spain transferred their claim to Argentina, especially regarding that Spain did not recognise Argentina until the mid 1800s
Any nation that is deemed a direct threat to us should be met with the British military, for our own protection,
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So they say, aint that right David,,,
Afghan, Libya , Iraq , Syria , even some countries in Africa,
Perhaps the government should send troops and the like into Argentina,
She is a threat to us, aint that right David, ..oops
#8 Argentina can claim for the rest of eternity Liberace - it will not change anything.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and the USA recognised British de jure sovereignty in 1945 :-)
June 24th, in Washington, the State Department summarises US policy towards the Falklands; “(a) The United States accepts and works with the de facto situation; (b) It accepts tacitly but by unmistakable implication the de jure sovereignty of the United Kingdom over the Islands, although there has been a tendency even in intra-departmental statements to avoid clear cut, categorical recognition of British sovereignty; (c) It seeks to avoid exacerbating Argentine sensibilities by refraining so far as possible from public explicit commitment on the dispute.”
(The United States Position Respecting Argentine-British Claims to the Falkland Islands Research Project No.55 p.8 quoted in Perl 1983)
The USA just lies to you :-)
https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/chapter-pdfs/
@ 5 Fatty01
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep calling me a buffoon when I have posted the complete truth and I will continue to state your nick in English.
SO IT'S UP TO YOU!
@18 Buffoon
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then you will be making a great mistake because I am British and very unlikely to use a Spanish word as a nick - right?
The “truth” as you see it is a load of rubbish - you are an uninformed buffoon!
@ 19 Fatty01
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now read this carefully for I will post it only once: you have on several occasions bragged about going every few months to some LatAm shithole and going to Spain itself. Now you claim that lowercase gordo does not represent Spanish?
So is this your abridged first name or the second name or is it your favourite dogs name?
Tell you what I don't GAF.
Sixty six world leaders agree with Argentine sovereignty of the Falklands? Who are these 66 (are they all serving heads?) and do they all have their nations' mandate and support for their alleged support or is this just a bunch or retired looney tunes who have their own little fantasies?
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 017. If rottingroadkill trusts Obamy they are bigger fools than the Egyptians.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That a number of countries in Letrine America and the habitually unshod of the rest of the Third World might wish to believe something fanciful and shout it from the tops of their dung-heaps, does not have any perceptible impact on the workings of the civilised world.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 20 buffoon
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike you I am NOT a “bragger” - I shall be grateful if you would kindly produce evidence that supports your allegation that I “have on several occasions bragged about going every few months to some LatAm shithole and going to Spain itself.” I have never stated anything even approaching that - your recollective skills are clearly failing! Furthermore, you brag about living in Uruguay - is that, too, a LatAm shithole?
I have worked in and have travelled to Latin America and Spain BUT not as frequently as you suggest or as your tiny mind has interpreted. And, I reiterate, my nick is totally unconnected from the Spanish word for fat! Furthermore, I know of no Latin American or Spanish destination that can be considered a shit hole!
And just to finish I couldn't GAF about you either. Keep on dreaming about your secret love - the Pope!
Falkland Islands... they are called the Falkland Islands. F-A-L-K-L-A-N-D I-S-L-A-N-D-S. None of this Malvinas rubbish
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinazi gangsters keep out of the Falklands! Or you'll be taught another British lesson. Keep that in your f. mind!
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
I always thought Gordo was short for Gordon.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ChrisR, you need to calm down. Calling someone Fatty????? Really this is the sort of defensive position you want to always take?
Gordo1 don't be a farckwit. You wanna call someone a name? Then man up and accept the medicine back.
Clip your fingernails and stop both being arseholes.
@ 27 Skip
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I know I shouldn't wind him up but the 'fatty' thing started as a joke when, in my Spanish lesson, gordo came up as fat.
gordo was being his usual 'sensitive' self over something or another and I used 'fatty' as a direct replacement and he blew up because he hadn't put it together and I queried whether he did know Spanish or not.
I will have to try harder not to 'poke the bear (cub)'.
Chris and Gordo... get a room you two!!!
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile..... Macri is first generation... how many of his team have one RG grandparent? I would wager none have four.
Its all a bit like me ( a foreign born Strayan ) laying claim to New Caledonia because some sandalwood gatherers were there before being kicked out by the French.
The fight goes on! Argentina the Malvinas is yours!
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Block all companies and British objectives!
We have to show the English how much money it costs stubbornness them.
Any product that originated in 5 Eyes should have a black band on his label for the South Americans know that buying these products will be supporting the invaders of the Falklands.
“the NGO ”Dialogue with Malvinas””
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have they actually had - or tried to have - any dialogue, or is it just their name?
Brazil is here to support our sister nation. Give back the Malvinas to Argentina and all will be peace in the West.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 03000 people is not difficult to find a new home, even in England. People uqe want to stay will have their rights respected within the sovereignty and Argentine law.
Hi, with all due respect, reading all your post with military threats of retaliation with Typhoons, Apache, modern brigades, etc. I can only think in one of two reasons: Or you are a bunch of 12 yo kids that have not even learned to tuch yourself less to touch a woman. Or you are grown men, which wifes are already busy with the neighbour. If you are smart enough, you should underestand that i give a s..t about your armed forces. And not becouse of a macho thing, but becouse you we consider the islands ours and nothing you can do will change that.
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#17: Tonton, I dont even care to investigate if what you say that the USA recognized british de iure rights over Malvinas in ww2, becouse the USA have its own right to be with the UK or to be with Argentina. He is not juridically involved in the dispute. And for the record, it is not Argentina that is furious with the USA for adopting a neutrality position.
@33
Dec 23rd, 2015 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not have answers to your personal attack. My goal is not to talk about what you think of me, but talk about the Argentine sovereignty over the islands.
PS.: You are not intelligent.
@Buffoon
Dec 24th, 2015 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kindly respond to my request!
Brasshole, this may be difficult for you to understand, what with your bathtub navy and all that, but no Argentines actually want to live in the Falklands. It's cold, windy, rainy, you must drive como diós manda, on the left, and you have to work productively and politely. No Argentine could tolerate that for one minute. Besides, the islands belong to somebody else. Get over it.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0#34: It was a general view of all participants in this topic. Not about you and not a personal atack. There is no reason to measure the lengh of our d...cks by whatching who has more weapons. or who can have militarily a piece of land.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your inability ton investigate is fast becoming legendary Libarce.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The USA does as it will but the chances of it siding with argentina against the UK is remote. and you shouldn't believe what you read in the newspapers - nobody is “furious” with the USA over the image it portrays to South America. Having recognised Britain's de jure rights, we are quite confident in the relationship.
If this article is to be believed, it is strange how this mass of debaters seems to have forgotten that Timerman ran away when he had the chance to sit down and talk in London.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@32
How can the Fatherland be a sister nation?
“People uqe want to stay will have their rights respected within the sovereignty and Argentine law.”
Dec 24th, 2015 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0...and, of course, Argentine governments are renowned for their adherence to Argentine law and respect for rights.
It will take decades of deprogramming before there is a marked change in Argentina's position.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Either that or events will overtake Argentina and finally negate their entire stance. Maybe independence. Who knows.
Not sure that even decades of deprogamming will achieve anything. Chronic silliness is in the DNA here. Remember that this is a country that can't even pronounce “llave” and “desayuno” properly.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@42 Marti Llazo
Dec 24th, 2015 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you mean “jave” and “desajuno”?
Saludos.
#38: Like i said, the USA have its right to side with the uk or Argentina, i dont care. Its like if we talk about Uruguay or France. You think the USA stance is a show for Latin America. Well believe what you want. Im not seeing them supporting the uk.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0#40, #41: When your polititians tells you that Argentina claim the islands when there is an economic crisis to hide their reality with a common cause, is the most absurd and pathetic form of lying to you. Argentina have always claimed the islands and always will be.
When your polititians says that the war of 1982 settled the dispute is another indoctrination with zero basis in international law.
When your polititians makes you believe that there is only one form of colonialism where the subjugated people are the islanders and that they are letting them free, they are lying to you.
When all this programming ends, you will be underestand the dispute and sit down, again, to the negotiation table.
@44 Liberace
Dec 24th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0When you and your fellow citizens state that “las Malvinas son argentinas” you utter “mentiras, mitos, y cuentos de hadas”! There is nothing to dispute - the Falkland Islands are a self governing territory associated with the United Kingdom situated in the South Atlantic well outside any territorial limits of Argentina. Its citizens have voted, as is their right, overwhelmingly to maintain the status quo.
Liberace, we understand perfectly. We sat here in our homes and watched when you sent in 11000 thugs to subjugate our people and steal our land. Hundreds of families cried when their sons were killed or injured by your weapons. We were disgusted at the actions of your thugs when they locked innocent islanders up,threatened them with guns and used the post office as a shithouse. Unlike Argentina, you wint see posters or slogans at the railway or bus station. And we dont brainwash young children at school. Ships with innocent tourists arent greeted with pot banging, intimidation and burning tyres. Argentinians can visit Britain or the Islands quite freely without hindrance with no mention of this dispute.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0YOU ARE A BRAINWASHED TWAT WHO KNOWS NOTHING!
Would islanders care to educate this idiot?
@44 Liberato,
Dec 24th, 2015 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like you, we also do not care what you think.
You want us to sit at the “negotiation table”.
What do you offer?
What can you possibly offer that we would want?
You have nothing to offer except threats & intimidation.
We don't frighten easily so you might like to have a rethink.
“When your polititians says that the war of 1982 settled the dispute is another indoctrination with zero basis in international law. ”
Dec 24th, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's Utis Possesitis, the same 'international law' that Argentina used to justify it's annexation of territory.
Also 2065 stated that the dispute was to be resolved peacefully, which you interpreted as using force.
Argentina broke resolution 2065 by invading and broke resolution 502 by not withdrawing forces.
What settled the dispute is self determination. All you had to do was persuade the Islanders how good it was that Argentina was sending in rotten fruit to the Islands, and how you revered them by making them wave a white card, and no British forces would have been sent.
Oh and it was nice of your country to persuade the Islanders to be Argentine by bumping off 30 000 of your own nationals, how convincing a hearts and minds campaign was that?
I have always wondered why there are not more Argentines who recognise that their Falklands whingeing has helped to make them the leading laughingstock of the region that has produced so many sophomoric laughingstocks. Rather like one of their latter-day Falklands War memorials in Sta Cruz province that curiously symbolises one of their fighter aircraft flying directly into a concrete wall.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#45: Fat1, quote:“.... the Falkland Islands are a self governing territory associated with the United Kingdom situated in the South Atlantic”
Dec 24th, 2015 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. For the United Nations, they are a NON self-governing territory, which administration power is the uk and is located in the continental shelf of Argentina. Its british citizens have voted as could have voted the British Antartic Survey a “government” in the Antartic: illegally.
#46: I didnt choosed the war nor the dictator. we couldnt. Nevertheless, your government shouldnt have supported those dictators instead of complaining if some of those “friendly” dictator change their side.
You were disgusted. but you were not disgusted with Pinochet, you were not disgusted when bombs and modern ships made in Britain was brought by the argentine junta.
You should been disgusted seeing argentines Camberras bombing british sons or fathers.
British can also visit Argentina freely, with no hindrance too. And many does. They can buy a property, ask for citizenship, etc. In Malvinas you cant use any argentine sign, nor flag,becouse they are kidnapped by the police. You cant buy a property, nor inherit a property.
#47: The UN wants the uk in the negotiation table. It is not only Argentina.
#48: Wrong. It is not Uti Possidetis. take a dictionary.
quote:“What settled the dispute is self determination.”
Nope, the dispute is still alive in the UN and still waiting for the UK to comply with UN resolutions.
@44 Liberace
Dec 24th, 2015 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ When your polititians makes you believe that there is only one form of colonialism where the subjugated people are the islanders and that they are letting them free, they are lying to you”
How do you know, have you been there?
Did you see subjugated people?
@1. Not wolves. Hyenas or jackals perhaps.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21. Does it matter? That's forty that don't. And has anyone met a truthful argie?
@30. You're just a stupid, uneducated arsehole. Try avoiding people's whose intelligence is about 5 times yours. Do you know how to do anything except steal and kill?
@32. As an alternative, 43 million argies can be shovelled into the ocean. They might be missed. The air would be cleaner for a start. Brazilians can jump in with them.
@33. Hahahahaha. Got a ship? Got an aircraft that can get off the ground? Here's some tips. You had your chance. We were reasonable. You were stupid. Do you have the intelligence to understand what the UK can do? Your country can be destroyed. Totally. No-one could stop us. You might think of a military “threat”. Or would that be military retaliation? In 1962 (Cuban Missile Crisis), the British V-bomber force took off. Now the weapons are smaller but more powerful. You'd better understand that the Islands aren't yours and never will be. You don't have enough ability, of any sort.
@39. Haven't forgotten. Timerman = argies = cowards.
@44. Then you'll just have to die unsupported, won't you? You really think the US would fire on the UK for the sake of argieland? You pitiful little pipsqueak.
And 1982 does have a basis in international law. Try this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis Ignorant pillock! No negotiation. But you may get death.
And I think nearly all of you deserve to die. Time to exterminate latinos from the world!
I can't be bothered with a point by point repudiation of your view. You don't have the education or intelligence. Still a brainwashed braindead moron.
Interesting story in Argentina today about a Falklander who was deceived and “used” for propaganda purposes by the Kirchner government for just getting an Argentina DNI so that he could visit his children. He ended up ripping up the DNI. A warning to others who try to deal reasonably with Argentina on such matters. Article in Spanish.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Los dramas del malvinense que pidió el DNI argentino”
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1856859-los-dramas-del-malvinense-que-pidio-el-dni-argentino
@52. Hey Conqueror:
Dec 24th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't hold back, man!
How do you really feel about thoses lying rottingroadkillians?
@50 Liberace
Dec 24th, 2015 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me where the UN definition takes precedence over UK law.
#50
Dec 24th, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I see Argentina can ignore UN when it suits it BUT the UK must comply when it suits Argentina. Seems fair by Argentine logic.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 502 was a resolution adopted by the United Nations Security Council on 3 April 1982. After expressing its concern at the invasion of the Falkland Islands by the armed forces of Argentina, the Council demanded an immediate cessation of hostilities between Argentina and the United Kingdom and a complete withdrawal by Argentine forces.
Resolution 502, which was in the United Kingdom's favour, gave the UK the option to invoke Article 51 of the United Nations Charter and claim the right of self-defence. It was supported by members of the Commonwealth and by the European Economic Community, which later imposed sanctions on Argentina.[
Apart from your lick spittle chums, the UN does not give a damn about Argentina's continual whining claim. They have much more important things to deal with. It's like tinnitus ...an annoying whine that you get used too but of no real consequence.
#50 Liberace - the UN recognises the use of plebiscites/referendums to determine the will of a people. The 2013 referendum in the Falklands fully complied with UN requirements and the UK, as is required by the UN, has spent the last 30 odd years bring the Falkland islands to a “full measure” of self-government.
Dec 24th, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do not seem to know very much about the UN.
The only aspects lacking in the issue of “full independence” of the Falklands is the matter of reliance on the UK for defence of the islands. Which is something that is rather easy to understand and is not a feature that keeps reasonable people from understanding and appreciating the independence of the island. Such understanding of course escapes Argentina and the other unshod Third World types at the UN.
Dec 25th, 2015 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50. So? We (UK) are not responsible for how the UN designates territories. However, it is noteworthy that the incompetent C24 has been invited to visit the Islands on a number of occasions. Part of its duty. Article 87 c. It never has!
Dec 25th, 2015 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't choose(d) the war, eh? Bet the Junta didn't either. UN Security Council resolution 502 refers. And I bet you weren't out singing and dancing in the streets either. We're not interested in your “It wasn't me”. Your country, your responsibility. Do you get the idea that you aren't welcome. I wouldn't let argies on to the Islands at all. Where's the official apology? Where are the reparations? £150 million would be a good start. That's in pounds sterling. 2,963,549,664.46 pesos. As a first instalment. Perhaps another £150 million as a down payment on the cost of mine clearance.
The UN, and the world, can want what it likes. Britain has promised the Islanders that there will be no negotiations without their permission.
Uti possidetis DOES apply. So does self-determination. There are no binding resolutions with which the UK is required to comply.
@54. I have to tone down how I “feel” these days. But, you see, I understood that there was insufficient time for me to volunteer, get trained and be shipped to where I wanted to go. Instead, I had to sit in front of the television and watch. I had to watch the cowardly, disrespectful actions of argies against Royal Marines ordered to surrender. As though the argies had “won”. I understand that Margaret Thatcher did consider nuking the place. Wouldn't have had any argument from me. Then there's all the whining since. As though argieland has any honour. As though it should believe that it should be listened to by civilised countries.
@58. Defence treaty. No change in British garrison. No change in British naval forces. Falklands as training area. Falklands contribution will have to wait for the oil. Perhaps British nationality remains a plus!
A Merry Christmas to one and all. A Prosperous New Year to everybody especially to ALL the Argentina Malvinistas - may they open their senses to commonsense and accept that their claims to the Falkland Islands archipelago are just “f---s in the wind.”
Dec 25th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the cold, windy, forsaken patagonian outpost town of Río Gallegos, the dusty little pago chico of La Yegua CFK, here in Sta Cruz province, os deseo una muy feliz Navidad, sean que sean vuestras vanas y equivocadas creencias.
Dec 25th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Happy Boxing day to all Anglos.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only culture on planet earth that has a holiday after a so-called day of peace (“Christmas”), specifically dedicated to a violent and bloody sport.
61 Marti
Dec 26th, 2015 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0From another cold and windy, recently pioneered land of Europian immigrants - Merry Christmas.
@62
Dec 26th, 2015 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha ha typical argento understanding of the world....
“ Boxing Day is a holiday traditionally celebrated the day following Christmas Day, when servants and tradesmen would receive gifts, known as a ”Christmas box“, from their bosses or employers, in the United Kingdom, Barbados, Canada, Hong Kong, Australia, Bermuda, New Zealand, Kenya, South Africa, Guyana, Trinidad and ... ”
@62
Dec 26th, 2015 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet you seem mighty fine when ANGLOS bay out Argentina gained independence on October 7th 1863. Typical Anglo double standard.
@62 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Dec 26th, 2015 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ specifically dedicated to a violent and bloody sport.” What an ignoramus you are! Well done, Marti Llazo! You beat me to it!
64,66
Dec 26th, 2015 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh,
I figured NOSTRILS was being deliberately stupid, to elicit a response - it's likely I overestimated him,
Feliz dia de los inocentes... en especial al Martin Llazo.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Eso si, durante el resto del calendario, de inocentes no tienen ni un pelo.
68
Dec 26th, 2015 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0...says the fool, himself.
Aw leave Nostrils alone.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0He can't help it that English is not his native language & he doesn't know old English customs.
He also can't help it that he is a blithering idiot who thinks that “the whole world” is against him.
OK Nostrils, “the whole world” hates you.
There it is, out in the open……do you feel better now?
The characteristic ignorance shown by Capital Troll is certainly a parable of the narrow degree of argento knowledge of the world outside of their blindered perspective and limited experience, believing that a matter enjoyed around the civilised world is some sort of pugilistic practice when in fact it is a matter of quaint charity and unambiguous humanity. Further evidence of the Argentine Weltanschauung being diametrically opposed to the most fundamental realities. No doubt they, the argentos, purposely teach such deliberately false notions in the neo-Stalinist curricula of their precipitously declining schools.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have just spent the past 10 years building the most sophisticated subs and destroyers on the planet, state of the art drone technology and air defence systems and two brand new supercarriers, the largest anywhere outside the US. Not to mention a very advantageous air base on St Helena
Dec 26th, 2015 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does any country with an ounce of sense believe we did all this from a stance of wishing to negotiate or territories away or that the EU would want us show weakness to a tin pot banana republic with Russia breathing down Europe's neck and picking off eastern EU territories as they see fit.
The EU will be on their very best behaviour when it comes to dealing with the UK over the next 12 months, as the realities of us walking away from them starts to sink in.
Just for the information of the various trolls who are awake today waiting to have a pugilistic faena
Dec 26th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12068319/Booming-Britain-to-become-worlds-fourth-largest-economy-as-France-and-Italy-face-G8-exclusion.html
@73
Dec 26th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the funniest article I have read in AGES. Thank you for the good laugh. Oh and the Telegraph...
@71
Actually you are overanalyzing a bit. It's just not that important to know what Boxing day is or what Anglo-saxon culture features. Actually is pretty irrelevant in these parts.
@72
The realities of you walking away is that they are begging for you to go away, that's how meaningful you have become within the EU. What has all the puffing and huffing by the UK and Cameron gotten you in 10 years?
NOTHING.
Enjoy your new toys. Small penis complex much?
@62. Hunting argies and watching them being torn apart by dogs? Does argieland think that's “immoral”? But argieland is immoral. Has been since 1833 when it tried to steal a British territory. Time to bring this illusion to an end. Reducing the argie population to a manageable number. Like 5,000. Time to make it obvious that argieland is just effluent.
Dec 26th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73 Gordo,
Dec 26th, 2015 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and others.
It's quite obvious that during this season of good cheer and harmony, whilst we have supped in the warm company of our loved ones and families, one sad lone Troll @74 has been left out in the cold and starved for attention.
Let's preserve the peace just a little longer, wish him well and pay him no further mind.
Merry Christmas, Nostrils.
@74
Dec 26th, 2015 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the EU lose the £6 billion the UK give them annually, they'll ask Spain to cough up.
Argentines overwhelmingly think Boxing day is about celebrating the violent agression of another human being, we find it very odd that one would pick that sport to celebrate out of all the others.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0And we are not the only ones.
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/12/26/10668740/robin-lopez-claims-to-have-learned-the-meaning-of-boxing-day-after/in/10432387
@78 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Dec 27th, 2015 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentines overwhelmingly think Boxing day is about celebrating the violent agression of another human being, we find it very odd that one would pick that sport to celebrate out of all the others.
This statement shows just how dreadfully and ”overwhelmingly” STUPID you all are!
@78
Dec 27th, 2015 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0idiot...
@78 Am I correct in assuming that modern benefits such as Google and Wikipedia haven't made it to Argentina yet? Such a shame.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boxing Day is the oft used modern term for what is actually Saint Stephen's day. Boxing Day has nothing to do with pugilism. It has everything to do with the largesse of employers.
@81 HughJuanCoeurs
Dec 27th, 2015 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Be careful your “nick” doesn't turn round and bite where it really hurts!
Saludos.
Perhaps we should call December the 26th “Box” day so not to confuse the Argentines.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0On second thoughts we should try to confuse them as much as possible!
Nostrils, the “Box” refers to a box of goods, eg clothes, that the Employers would give to their apprentices as a gift on Dec 26th.
Well thats how it all started.
Nothing to do with the sport(?)of Boxing.
Clear now, my little chum?(well he does need friends!).
TTT never fails to amuse. Why would he want to display his ignorance so freely and then attempt to defend it with 'Argentines overwhelmingly think ' the same as him. I don't think he is that stupid as he is a slave to the internet for information on a world he doesn't understand. He is merely desperate for attention and he got it.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0That has got to be an all time classic from Toby...
Dec 27th, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boxing day indeed...;-)))
You don't hear it that often, but I have heard the term Christmas Box......as in “I got them a wee Christmas Box”....meaning present...
@74
Dec 27th, 2015 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You needn't think i'm a big fan of Cameron and i'm going to rush to his defence if you call him names. I can't stand him, the way he has destroyed our public services to pay back debt his banking chums ran up with dodgy loans is a national disgrace.
However, I fully support his stance on benefits which in my view he can get much tougher on and as regards where the last 10 years have got him huffing and puffing, I guess you mean with respect to the Falkland Islands
They are British are they not?
I think vicariously you should conclude how well CFK's huffing and puffing has get her.
86
Dec 27th, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How's the flooding down your way...?
Rumour has it, that England can't cope with a bit of rain....
That's what we call a light shower....
Oh dear....
Continuing rains in Argentina: more than 20,000 evacuated due to flooding, at least two reported dead. Provinces of Santa Fe, aptly named Corrientes, Entre Ríos (now not just entre) and Charco, I mean, Chaco.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marti me old fellow....
Dec 27th, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being a foreigner you are not seeing the underlying Skit....or Slight if your prefer...
I'm sure the Brits could help you out with this one....
A clue is ....Scotland....
@86
Dec 27th, 2015 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”the way he(Cameron) has destroyed our public services to pay back debt his banking chums ran up with dodgy loans is a national disgrace.”
So Gorgon Brown and Ed Balls et al had nothing to do with it???????
How you people run your own country is none of my concern.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you not noticed in my years here not once I have criticized how UK, French, Spanish, German, Italian, US American, Australian, Chilean, Canadian, Brazilian citizens handle their pensions, health, and veteran services, etc?
NEVER.
I do criticize cultural traits like violence and duplicity, as well as misplaced priorities (like spending on shiny gunboats when your sewers are clogged or your bridges crumbling), but what you do with your internal policies is none of my business.
My business is to defend my nation from verbal attacks, the worst kind of attacks, and lies. And to tell it how it is when your nations have taken actions beyond your borders, which is indeed my business.
@89
Dec 27th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “wee man, voice” is just like NOSTRILS.
He wanted attention and didn't get it, so he came back with a lame follow up, “look at me, look at me, look what I said...”
You couldn't make it up.
rottingroadkillians. lol.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had paid you debts recently the U.S. would not even acknowledge your existence.
If the UK pulls out a can of whoop ass on you - don't expect America to intervene as you are of zero strategic importance.
Similarly: Kelpers, the socialists in Britain will betray you in a heartbeat.
Interesting story in argento media today concerning their fanciful relationship to the Falklands, and -- what could be more Argentine than... theft! I mean, that “manga de ladrones” sobriquet came from somewhere.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems as though this photographer took a photo, which is what photographers do, of a rather exuberant horse and rider. Posted it. Another argento, this time at the fancifully titled publication “El Malvinense” stole it in turn and reposted it -- claiming it as their very own (sound familiar? - it's the national disease here ).
Then the argento government, or rather the Banco Central -- under the Kirchners, naturally -- stole the image again (multiple/serial theft is a sacrament in Argentina). Only they, the Argentine government, used that rather unique and recognisable and stolen image to fancifully depict the mythical gaucho malvinense Rivero on the increasingly worthless 50-peso billete currently in circulation!
Véase http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1857422-un-plagio-de-50-pesos-el-misterio-del-gaucho-rivero-en-el-billete
“Los argentinos son una manga de ladrones, del primero al último”.
Re El Gaucho Rivera - please see below adapted from wikipedia.
Dec 27th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rivero was born in Concepción del Uruguay, at that time a rural village in Entre Ríos Province, Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata, now part of Argentina on November 27, 1808.
When he was about 20 years old, he was taken to the Falkland Islands by Luis Vernet, to work as a gaucho. Conditions of employment caused discontent among Vernet's workers. They were paid with promissory notes which Matthew Brisbane, Vernet's deputy, devalued following the reduction in Vernet's fortunes. On 26 August 1833, five Indian convicts and three gauchos led by Rivero embarked on a killing spree which resulted in the deaths of Brisbane and the senior leaders of the settlement. Thomas Helsby, a clerk in the employ of Vernet, wrote an account of the murders.
At around ten in the morning, Helsby departed Brisbane's house to buy some oil from William Dickson, whom he found at the house of Antonio Wagner. Other people there included Daniel McKay and Joseph Douglas. On leaving, as he passed the house of Santiago Lopez, Helsby encountered the murderers. The gang was led by Rivero and comprised the gauchos José María Luna, Juan Brasido and the five Charrúa Indians Manuel Gonzales, Luciano Flores, Manuel Godoy, Felipe Salagar and Lattorre. They were armed with “muskets, pistols, swords, dirks and knives”.
He is no national hero - he was a murderer.
@95 .. .. “ He is no national hero - he was a murderer.”
Dec 27th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the Argentine manner, one celebrates criminals. Thus El Gaucho Rivera is both a national hero and a common murderer.
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@ 95 “ ... which Matthew Brisbane, Vernet's deputy, devalued following the reduction in Vernet's fortunes...”
Only a devaluation? I would have guessed that this was really just another in an endless series of defaults, this being an Argentine matter.
@89 v0ice, er... voice,
Dec 27th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that you???
Gosh, why did I think it was ...?
Because it is totally in character for you.
Nice guy, hope you did your part to spread joy and happiness at Christmas.
...was it the ellipses....?
Dec 27th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are a bit of a giveaway....
Me or Mr. Think....
...and Think begins with a T not a V...that might help....
Think/Voice, there is a difference?
Dec 27th, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well not really, Guv'nor.
VoiceofThink trolls all night,
Dec 27th, 2015 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even Christmas vents his spite,
Voice defender of whats right?
He's just spoiling for a fight.
Don't be fooled by Voice of Think,
From afar you'll smell the stink
Don't worry he'll be back soon with an ageist quip. Thats while he isnt taking the piss out of thousands of poor souls who have had their Christmas ruined by having their houses and businesses flooded.
Noxious twat.
mini-v,
Dec 27th, 2015 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poisonous, callous, and laughably self-righteous, attention whore.
Was not someone here making fun of the flooding in Formosa just the other day?
Dec 28th, 2015 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0AS IT ALWAYS HAS HAPPENED, not 24 hours after some Anglo, EUian, or NorthAMOAN makes fun of misfortune in Argentina... it happens in their own country!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/northern-england-floods-prompt-emergency-government-talks-103245228.html
It happened after the train accident in Buenos Aires: in a week there were like four wrecks (one in New York or Boston, other in Belgium, Switzerland)
It happened after the La Plata flooding, then I think Texas or some other place got deluged.
They never learn!
The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Dec 28th, 2015 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It would be good if that accord also calls on the EU to convince the UK to sit and dialogue“, he added.”
Dec 28th, 2015 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since the UK is part of the EU, do they seriously expect it to ‘convince’ itself?
When they say ‘dialogue’ they really mean discussing the arrangements to hand over control of the Falklands to Argentina. Can they tell the truth about anything?
But, given that the great Malvinas myth is based more on whimsy than substance, they need to continue to tell more lies to support the ones they have already told.
Once again like a broken record, Argentina calls upon the US, the EU, 63 ‘alleged’ heads of State and even the Pope to do something that that it cannot do itself - deliver up the Falklands.
Why should they? This is a problem that is entirely within Argentina’s gift to resolve, all it has to do is abandon its fascist pretensions and start behaving like a civilised nation and deploy what other nations have been doing for centuries - pragmatism.
@ 103 I wonder if Hepathetic understands the meaning of “ one-trick pony” ?
Dec 28th, 2015 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hep C you are either :
Dec 28th, 2015 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A - A complete idiot
B - An Asshole
C - A Manchurian Candidate
D - All of the above
My choice is all of the above. You've been saying this for 3 years now. I have no concern for the Falklands, it's AN Argentine and UK think but really, provide some proof or shut the fuck up you blathering imbecile. You're like a zit that never goes away. You need to be popped!
@105 Marti Llazo
Dec 28th, 2015 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that Hepatitis lives only in Groundhog Day!
Until Argentina removes the Falklands issue from their constitution and agrees to parley with the Falkland inhabitants, their Fourth-World gestures are indistinguishable from pissing up a rope, only less dignified.
Dec 28th, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hepatia is just trying to irritate us.
Dec 28th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l don't answer the silly thing anymore.
@103 Hepatia
Dec 28th, 2015 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Chinese will own Argentina in 25 years!
CFK will hang for Nisman!
Argentina, pay your debts!
If Hepatitis has been saying the same thing for three years, should it be 'The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 22 years' ? Or is it like tomorrow that never comes?
Dec 29th, 2015 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@111 It may well be that Hepathetic is just as bad at math as he is at prognostication and civilities.
Dec 29th, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2015/12/23/malvinas-sovereignty-question-is-a-state-objective-says-argentine-deputy-foreign-minister#comment425507: You are plainly forgetting that the Chinese already own you Brits. We recently discovered an instance of you British trying to sell a US base to the PRC. Such are our allies. We should dump the bums ASAP.
Dec 30th, 2015 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@113 hoppy
Dec 30th, 2015 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is “we”?
Show a link to prove it.
CFK will hang for Nisman's murder.
Falkland Fact
Dec 30th, 2015 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1829 in an attempt to establish some semblance of order and authority in and around the Islands, Louis Vernet, a businessman, obtained from the Buenos Aires government the title of ‘Military and Political governor of the Islands’. This appointment was disputed by the British Government.
In 1833 while trying to assert his authority as the reputed governor he seized three United States vessels that were fishing in waters that Vernet considered exclusively his. Vernet accompanied one of these vessels to BA so that the master could stand trial for illegal fishing.
This act so angered George W Slacum the US consul in BA that he complained to Silas Duncan the Commander of the USS Lexington which, unfortunately for Vernet and the BA government, just happened to be in the River Plate at the time of Vernet’s arrival. The Lexington sailed to the Falklands, arrested six Argentines, destroyed the battery and armaments and Commander Duncan declared the islands “Free of all Government”
The US consul justified his actions on the grounds that BA had no right to the Islands and that in arresting the US ships, Vernet had acted as a pirate. US President Jackson approved of these actions.
Diplomatic relations between the US and BA were broken off for 11 years and the US never paid the reparations demanded by BA.
With respect to Argentina’s sovereignty claim, the important point about this incident is that the US government did not take seriously BA’s claim to the Islands.
(Metford J.C.J Falklands or Malvinas? The Background to the Dispute July 1968)
@113 Hepatitis
Dec 30th, 2015 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Such are our allies. We should dump the bums ASAP.” Is it possible that this “jaundiced” individual is a US Citizen?
I've given up on posting on this site for the most part but had to comment here.
Dec 30th, 2015 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hep C, you fucking ignorant asshole. Stop claiming to be an American. No one believes you first off. Secondly, you know jack shit about ANYTHING in the states. If you're going to fake it at least know something. And, picking wrapper tobacco in the Connecticut River Valley as a migrant worker does not qualify as being an American. Someone is going to ruin your afternoon one day for impersonating an American you fuckwad.
@116 gordo1,
Dec 30th, 2015 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l suspect that Hepatia is a hate-filled anti-British Argentine, living possibly in the USA. Possibly in some ethnic enclave somewhere.
lt seems that she is very butt-hurt by the Argentine defeat in 1982.
And soundly defeated they were, weren't you Hepatia?
She said that she was a she, so, innocent as l am, l accept her word. lol!
Quite a while back, she was crowing how, with a higher birthrate, the Latinos were going to take over the US.
So guess its a Latino of some description & as she obviously hates us over the Falklands, l'd guess that its an Argentine.
But really, who cares?
118
Dec 30th, 2015 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hep C is clearly anti - Brit and an anti-white racist.
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