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Corbyn favors Falklands' 'power-sharing' deal with Argentina, says ex ambassador Castro
United Kingdom's leader of the opposition Jeremy Corbyn is in favor of making a power-sharing deal with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, according to an Argentine diplomat. Outgoing Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro says that the Labour leader is “one of ours” and that he told her he supports a British-Argentine power-sharing deal in the vein of Northern Ireland. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAlicita - do you really think that Corbyn has any influence? He will disappear before the next General Election as he has no support amongst the British electorate at large.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair, it's all “says ex-Ambassador Castro”, and Alicia was never the most truthful pencil in the box. Nor the sharpest either. Not just has she torpedoed any putative Corbyn scheme by calling him “one of ours”, bur she is clearly devoid of a clue as regards the Good Friday agreement, in the interests of which Ireland struck out its territorial claim from its constitution, and honoured the referendum in the North.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is how sane, mature, democratic societies behave. Over to you, Argentina.
Even the Labour MPs who nominated Corbyn for the leadership - albeit in the hope of widening the debate in the Labour Party - have recognised what a fool he is:
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/24/labour-risks-another-election-walloping-frank-field-says
This is the problem with the Regressive Left: in seeking to lay the blame for all the world's problems at the feet of the UK or US, they acquire some strange bedfellows. This ends up in the ludicrous situation where fools like Corbyn and Suemas Milne support not only colonialism (as with Argentina / Spain re: Falklands / Gibraltar), but also Putin's Russian expansionism (Ukraine: west's fault), and ISIS (all the fault of the US).
They support the concept of 'safe space' whereby any discussion of, say, the pros and cons of Islam is off-limits in case we 'disrepsect their culture'. As a result, they support the denial of rights to women in an even more insidious way than they support the denial of rights to the people of the Falklands or Gibraltar.
Thankfully, the people of the UK can see their perverse 'morality' for the idiocy it is.
While the people of the Falkland islands favour democracy.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you look up Seumas Milne on Wikipedia, you find he is a far leftist nutter. So fits in really well with Corbyn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seumas_Milne
As with a lot of the neo-communists they actually hate democracy, particularly when it disagrees with their world view.
The free and fair Falkland Island referendum was internationally monitored and shown to be all above board.
But easy for Corbyn's cronies to make spurious claims.
Wonder how much longer that The New-Old-Labour party can claim one position while their leader says something quite different.
The Conservatives are going to have a landslide at the next general election at the rate this nutter puts his foot in it.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0We used to put the heads of people like him on pikes. I do miss those days
Jan 25th, 2016 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Castro said the same thing in September 2015. No new ideas then, ducky. But it must be hard to summon up enthusiasm when you're out of a job. Still, she may well be right. He's stupid enough.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Attitudes are indeed changing. For years, Britain got by with a certain level of preparedness. Now we've changed the old VC-10 tanker for a brand new Voyager, returned two Chinooks, and are improving the radar and upgrading the missile defences. Attitudes changed!
Seumas Milne is, of course, a joke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seumas_Milne
Life is so easy for columnists as they get time to make up what they say. And Milne is blatantly anti-UK and US. One wonders how he justifies his attitudes and then takes a position in the British establishment. Wonder why Milne didn't bother to visit the Falklands and observe the referendum for himself? Instead of casting aspersions for which there is no evidence. Read the wikipedia article. Wonder why he's not a communist?
Keep going, Milne, you can ensure Corbyn never gets into power.
Dream on. It ain't going to happen.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corbyn, stop teasing the Argentines.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're giving them wet dreams.
Another reason to keep Jeremy Corbyn out of Number 10.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“She said: “[Corbyn] is saying that dialogue [is] possible ”
Jan 25th, 2016 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Falkland Islanders are present at any discussion, of course it's possible.
Except the Argentines are scared of the Islanders and the truth.
So is Castro now speaking for Mr Corbyn ? We would prefer he spoke for himself and clarified his inconsistencies.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Labour Party policy is perfectly clear, it supports the right to self determination of Falkland Islanders. Mr Corbyn said on Marr that Falkland Islanders had the right to determine their own future. He then muddied the water by suggesting there should be talks without an agenda, but not what about.
Falkland Islanders have always been consistent in offering to discuss with Argentina all issues of mutual interest, excluding sovereignty. That remains the case. If that is what Mr Corbyn means then that is fine. If he thinks there is some “imaginative” joint sovereignty arrangement available then he remains mistaken.
Time for Mr Corbyn to be clear and open, and for Mrs Castro to bog off back home and mind her own business.
Power sharing if you win an ICJ court case first.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corbyn is a wet willie
Corbyn is a left wing loony in the tradition of Michael Foot and Wedgie Benn. While we are all confident that the British Electorate is proof against electing clowns to power, people like the RGs give him credence because he appears to support their position. He is really just a nuisance - maybe a source of amusement. I mean, he couldn't ever actually become prime minister could he ? Could he ?
Jan 25th, 2016 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When is that ugly cow Castro going to be put out to graze and just spend the rest of her useless life chewing her cud ? and how about exiling Corbyn to Argentina ? Or better, as he has suggested, why isn't he sent to have peace-talks with ISIS....maybe they could treat him to a bit of their customary hospitality...
Jan 25th, 2016 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only problem for Castro is that Corbyn has less electoral appeal than Ed Miliband, and we know how that ended.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#12 To understand it well islanders , we have “ issues of mutual interest” with you , that's the name that you would islanders put their priority concerns. Our agenda is to talk of sovereignty and only if there is space to talk about the nonsense that you call “ issues of mutual interest” .. !!
Jan 25th, 2016 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Turtle Island
Jan 25th, 2016 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK won't talk on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands without the consent of the Falkland Islanders.
So Argentina has 2 legal options:
1. Persuade the Islanders to voluntarily become Argentine. I mean all you have to do is convince them. A good way of starting this process would be to cooperate in areas of mutual interest. Then you would have to build trust. To do that will take decades because of Argentina's belligerent and unfriendly attitude towards the people of the Islands. Of course we are talking of at least 50 years of Argentina being friendly, trustworthy and sorting itself out so it is no longer a corrupt basket case of a country.
2. Take you sovereignty case to the International Courts of Justice, the ONLY body in the WHOLE world that can order a change of sovereignty. All you have to do is explain why a military penal colony, that was set up years after the Islanders colonists ancestors arrived, and lasted less than 6 weeks before collapsing into mutiny and anarchy overrides previous possession by the UK by more than 100 years, and the Falkland Islanders right to self determination as enshrined in the UN Charter.
So in short, Argentina will never get it's corrupt, thieving, imperialist colonialist hands on the Falklands Islands, or South Georgia, or the South Sandwich Islands, or Queen Elizabeth Land, or the British Antarctic Territories.
Keep on crying Argentina because you having nothing to offer the Islanders except slavery and contempt, and you have nothing to offer the UK, the UN or indeed the rest of the world, that we can't get somewhere else cheaper and of better quality.
Corby is just the latest in a long line of leftist/socialist/commie treasonous bastards that would betray the sovereignty of the land that sustained them in favor of one world governance. A pox and a curse on all that enabled him.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Turtle Island
Jan 25th, 2016 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I shall be grateful if you would kindly rephrase your input as, frankly, I do not understand what you trying to put over.
Le agradecería mucho si muy amablemente pudiera repetir su contribución en vista de que, francamente, no entiendo lo que quiere decir.
Gracias.
The New / Old Labour party: specialists in internecine war, long may it continue!
Jan 25th, 2016 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Still bragging about how you are the good guys?
Jan 25th, 2016 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17. I don't think I understood a word you said. Could you try English in an understandable form? In the meantime, I can offer you a British response at the same level. Corbyn, knife, throat. Get it?
Jan 25th, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18. I agree with most of what you say. BUT, at item 2, the UK has already offered argieland three opportunities at the ICJ. Argieland refused every time. Both parties to a “dispute” have to agree to ICJ jurisdiction. Given argieland's history, would the UK agree?
But there is a possibility. The UK could massively reinforce the Falkland Islands British garrison. A couple of squadrons of Typhoons, another two Voyagers and, let's say, four Astute-class submarines. And then every argie “position” in Antarctica gets wiped out. No survivors. Justification? In 1942, when argieland decided to unilaterally “claim” British territory, Britain was busy defeating the nazi soulmates of argieland. In 1982, the UN told argieland to get off of British territory. Argieland, consumed with a desire to be a spanish “conqueror”, didn't.
Britain should respond. No more argie stations. Let argieland learn that THEY will have to pay.
@22. So much better than you slugs. Still doing genocide?
Corbyn favors Falklands' ,
Jan 25th, 2016 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this shows why corbyn is a very dangerous loony,
and will never get to power, yet TV and the papers seem to jump at his every whim all for profits and publicity
labour did not win the election , labour is not in power, and labour has no power so his words should be ignored,
all he is doing is giving argentine government false hope for a false claim and is doing nothing but inciting others to steal what is not theirs.
just my opinion.
And it is my opinion too, Briton.
Jan 25th, 2016 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also a lot of other people's as well.
Corbyn will never be elected he is a surrender jockey after the next election he will be lucky to remain an MP never mind the Labour party leader! Corbyns days are numbered! the only thing he will attain is giving Argentina false hope!
Jan 26th, 2016 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Outgoing Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro says that the Labour leader is “one of ours” and that he told her he supports a British-Argentine power-sharing deal in the vein of Northern Ireland.”
Jan 26th, 2016 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would have thought that the leader of the opposition in the British parliament would be capable of speaking for himself and not allow himself to be verballed by an ex Argentine diplomat who has a reputation for telling porkies and acting in a very undiplomatic manner.
@27
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps now he's been stabbed in the back, he'll have a better idea of who his friends are.
Corbyn is and probably will never be a true leader of the opposition .Months since his election and the only opposition is from his own MP,s.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Labour?
Jan 26th, 2016 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Call it what it is.
Socialist/commie/leftist/anticapitalist
@17
Jan 26th, 2016 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Our agenda is to talk of sovereignty and only if there is space to talk about the nonsense that you call “ issues of mutual interest” .. !!”
YOU are the people asking for talks.
The Falkland Islanders don't give a 'flying' Loggerduck whether there are talks or not.
But then, they haven't asked for dialogue with you.
So, as your country WANTS talks, how many have actually taken place?
Your agenda doesn't seem to be very successful does it?
Try three things.
1/-Persuade the Islanders it is a good thing to talk with Argentina.
2/- Force them to have talks by threatening the MPA garrison with your latest FRONTLINE interceptors=machine gun equipped turboprop Tucano trainers. (Hint-we have JET powered Typhoon interceptors).
3/-Keep your demand agenda going for the next 200 000 years and achieve ZERO talks.
their are many mysteries in the world that are never understood or solved,
Jan 26th, 2016 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina point of view and argument is one such case.
How do you talk to someone ? that you don't recognise exist, has no rights,
and whom you don't want to talk to ??
Lets make it clear, RGs.
Jan 26th, 2016 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will be NO TALKS about Sovereignty.
Have you got that firmly in your little fluffy heads?
Do you want me to tell you again?
OK, If you insist,
There will be NO TALKS about Sovereignty.
Got it now?
@32
Jan 27th, 2016 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“How do you talk to someone ? that you don't recognise exist, has no rights,
and whom you don't want to talk to ??”
I can't fathom that logic, Briton I'll leave it to a psychological expert to understand. Your point is bang on the nail though.
Also, “We don't want to talk to the Islanders, only to the British in the UK.”
“But you claim the Islanders aren't from the Falkland Islands, but sent from the UK and British?”
“We don't want to talk with Islanders because they are born in the Islands”
“But you say they are British are implanted from the UK, so if you want to talk to the British, how can you not meet with people who you say are from the UK?”
“Because they don't exist.”
“Are you afraid of ghosts then?”
Ha ha,
Jan 27th, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they are totally deluded.
They are hoping to be able to talk to people like J.Corbyn & people from the UK who have no idea about the Falklands or about Argentina's ridiculous, lying “claims”.
Jan 27th, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some in the UK believe the lslands belong to Argentina simply because they are closer to RGland than the UK, & know nothing of the history of the lslands. As a famous PM once said, “he who knows nothing about history, is doomed to repeat it”.
One thing l do know.
The RGs will never stop their troublemaking until they are destroyed.
@ 36 lsolde
Jan 28th, 2016 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't worry about the argie yellownecks (like Yank rednecks but being argies they are even bigger cowards) and don't forget that their armed forces are down to 35,000 army but with no functioning ammunition even for small arms and as for field guns, forget it.
As for getting to the Islands they have no functioning ships either.
Macri is walking a tightrope between TMBOA and her 15M Peronista scum supporters and the stinking poor who have yet to see the 'rewards' they expect he will provide for them actually arrive.
If Macri is lucky there will be one hell of an internecine war between that lot.
Far more difficult is his position in the political forum. I am not surprised he is playing it like this by not jumping on the stupid malvinistas, but their day will come, probably if he manages to get a second term.
I must admit that executing the core of the Peronistas (probably 100,000) now rather than later IS appealing.
:o)
33 -
Jan 29th, 2016 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0eager the UK public have no say in a venture it started and funded aren't you.
UK citizens pay tax for the isles yet get no say on their future.
If I was a UK citizen I'd consider the pro's and con's of this overseas colony.
Thereafter I'd want a say on something MY money was being spent on.
Why exactly would anyone object to that.
Happy to take my money while denying me my say ... why would I want that.
Vestige,
Jan 29th, 2016 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf it bothers you that much, you can always make donation or set up a monthly direct debit to lnland Revenue Service.
l'm sure that they would be delighted to receive your money.
But why should a malvinista be worried about the affairs of another country?
lt seems to me that you have far too much loose time on your hands.
Regards, l.
#38: Your logic is flawed. UK citizens fund lots of things they have no say in. Many of these are overseas.
Jan 29th, 2016 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK Overseas Development Aid budget totals 11.6 bn. (figures in GBP)
This includes 900m assisting Syrian refugees, and 250m fighting the Ebola outbreak in West Africa. Pakistan is the biggest recipient, followed by Ethiopia and Bangladesh.
By contrast, the Falklands and Gibraltar receive no development money. The total that is spent between them on defence would not put them (together) in the top 20 recipients of UK money. And the defence money is only required because of hostile neighbours.
Speaking of which: Spain receives far more UK money than Gibraltar. Total UK miitary spend in Gib is about 25-30m p/a, mainly running the airport, naval base and on exercises (which would be conducted anyway). Meanwhile, through the EU Development Fund, the UK gives Spain about 600m p/a.
Which Spain then spends on harrassing UK citizens.
So - your argument is plain stupid.
Well corbyn already supports a 'power-sharing' deal with EU,
Jan 29th, 2016 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the guy should be in an asylum.
@38
Jan 29th, 2016 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UK citizens pay tax for the isles yet get no say on their future. ”
“Thereafter I'd want a say on something MY money was being spent on.”
My tax money goes to overseas aid spent on Argentina, but I get no say that I would rather that money went to develop the BOTs
This country wastes billions of pounds to the EU that goes to fund scroungers like Spain-I get no say in saying that none of our money goes to Spain.
I object that some of my tax money funds MPs expenses for things they could afford to get out of their extortionate wages.
I get no say in that expenditure.
For your information, the Falkland Islands pay for themselves, and the defence equipment in the Falklands would not be scrapped if Argentina could be trusted not to attack the Islands, if it was removed it would go somewhere else-so still have to be paid for.
The costs of powering the MPA airbase will be reduced thanks to the Falkland Islanders paying for a wind farm to help power the base-so the Falkland Islanders are giving money back TO the British taxpayer .
The Falkland Islands Defence Force receives no funding from the UK taxpayer, neither do its public services.
I am thankful that some of my tax goes to the BOTs and defence. Most of the fellow British taxpayers I talk to would much rather defend the Falkland Islands, than gift money to Spain and Argentina.
@38 Vestige
Jan 30th, 2016 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If I was a UK citizen I'd consider the pro's and con's of this overseas colony”.
You are either very naive or plain stupid to think that you, or any other private citizen, has a 'say' in what Governments decide and do.
But I think that if your head was opened up, they find no 'vestige' of a brain.
The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Feb 01st, 2016 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 044#
Feb 01st, 2016 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Somewhere in Argentina there is a village without its idiot!
The Argentina will return the land they stole from Paraguay within 25 years.
Feb 01st, 2016 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@44 Hippy
Feb 01st, 2016 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For how many years have you been saying that baloney ? if you started in 2014, shouldn't it be 23 years now ?
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