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Falklands' sovereignty issue “was settled more than thirty years ago”, says Fallon

Friday, February 19th 2016 - 08:04 UTC
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The Falkland Islands is one of Britain’s biggest military bases and as part of the UK was, “entitled to its cut of the defense budget,” Secretary of State for Defense Michael Fallon MP said on Tuesday as he visited the Falklands for the first time. Read full article

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  • Brit Bob

    But the islands were usurped? And then there's the UN resolution?

    Drat: https://www.academia.edu/21721198/Falklands_1833_Usurpation_and_UN_Resolutions

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Did he just imply that Sovereignty is settled by war...?
    Did he say the Falklands are part of the UK...?
    Is he having discussions with the CBFSAI and the Governor about Expanding Commercial operations and not including Islanders....?

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    voice

    Did you just say that the Argies can determine sovereignty of the Falklands by military action, but the British cannot?

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Livepeanuts

    The Minister's position is the correct one. Argentina can't militarize the South Atlantic, invade, talk about ethnic cleansing population, remove all the Islanders' culture, cause a huge amount of deaths and damage to the UK and then when it fails.. oh .. no .. we have changed our mind.. now we want to talk!
    This is absurd.. there are 255 additional reasons why the issue was settled in 1982 as the Minister says
    .

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Carrick1

    Falkland Islanders views first, it's their home!
    Gladly backed by Britain, doing what is right and just.
    (NOT for colonisation by ”has been (past it) conquistidores. Out of date now by two centuries+. Argentina handing Patagonia back to the native traditional Indian population anytime soon?)

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Voice

    “Did he just imply that Sovereignty is settled by war...?”
    No, you did!

    Perhaps he was alluding to the Falkland Islands Constitution Order 1985?
    Or perhaps he was alluding to the effects of Argentine military occupation?

    “Did he say the Falklands are part of the UK...?”
    Yes!

    Something that I have previously stated. BOTs are part of the UK. Straight from a cabinet minister's mouth.

    “Is he having discussions with the CBFSAI and the Governor about Expanding Commercial operations and not including Islanders....?”
    Does every discussion require every person to be present? Seems a little silly.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Firm clear statement of the British Government reiterating its position. Lots of good news for the Falkland Islanders and bad news for the would be Argentinian colonialists. Say no more, Boom Boom..

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    2 Voice (#) Did he just imply that Sovereignty is settled by war...?

    No.
    Remember it was Argentina that illegally invaded in 1982
    And it was Argentina that ignored the legally binding UN resolution to remove their military forces.
    It is THE uncomfortable truth that by initiating the military conflict and failing to comply with the ONLY binding Resolution issued by the UN with the regards the Falkland Islands. Argentina lost all credibility whatsoever.
    Subsequently adding to the Argentinian Constitution that the only position you will accept id control of the Falkland islands shows the world that it is Argentina who is not willing to negotiate.
    It will be interesting if Argentina makes any play at the C24 this year.
    I think the Falkland Islands delegation should formally request to be removed from the C24 listing. Stating Argentina has no sovereign rights over the Falkland islands.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    You are wrong Mr. Fallon,

    the Falklands issue was settled in 1850 (British sovereignty = “no pending issues”) , it was raised again during the 1940´s (“can we get some clay there?”), and it was totally messed up in 1982 (the Argentinian invasion), ruining any chance to re-open the 1850 agreement in Argentina´s favor.

    You are welcome.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Lucan

    7 Boom Boom? Is that the British Government's answer to Argentina's false sovereignty claim?

    Seems an appropriate unmistakeable signal to those of us down here!

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Princess Margaret Rose

    Seems VOICE as lost his VOICE yet again.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Just look at who is 'supporting' the (old) argie government:
    Voice
    ER, that's it!

    Not even The Lunatic of Chubut (the laughingly self-styled 'El Think') has dared to make himself look a complete prat: well done Voice, and you should be - over an open spit.

    Once the new works enabling full-field firing for all classes of large guns are complete it will signal the end of any chance of a successful military attack by any country in the Southern Cone.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Once the new UK submarine comes on line it will be possible to instantly unclog all the toilets on the second floor of the Pink House with little more than the turning of two keys, should such a measure be considered necessary to convince certain greasy sudacas of the need to leave the neighbours alone.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 13 “.....certain greasy sudacas...”

    oh boy, another prussian-wannabe from the other side of the Andes .... let me remind you that you are glued to our side here in south america, for better or worse, so be careful when you use that disgusting word.

    Gee I miss Chicureo, he was a very down to earth, polite and well educated Chilean. I thought you were on the same line that him but your recent post have really let me down :/

    Wise up Sir.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    2 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    What he stated was the issue of sovereignty was finally decided by a state of belligerency initiated by Argentina but completely pacified by the UK.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    12
    Having reread my post I'm not seeing support for anything, merely asking three questions...rhetorically ...
    Highlighting Fallon's fallacies...
    I'm sure the UN is specific concerning settling disputes by war...
    The Falklands are not part of the UK...
    The third being typical of the UK excluding the Falklands Govt members from discussions ...not matters of Defence, but commercial expansion for commercial interests...
    Who's da boss...?

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #16
    “The Falklands are not part of the UK” ... and neither are the Falklands part of Argentina.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Glad to see you back Clyde...
    Thought something had happened to you...perish the thought...

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captainsilver

    Funny, Mr Fallon is saying exactly the same as the Labour Party's Business Secretary Angela Eagle? And, the vast majority of the Labour Party supports the same view too.

    Where does that leave the Argies - dead in the water just like their Navy!

    End of… .any discussion. The Voice of the British people has been heard.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Princess Margaret Rose

    My darling Voice(or lack of it) Reality can often be painful my dear.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Lucan

    #20 Fancy a G&T sometime?

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @2Voice
    “Is he having discussions with the CBFSAI and the Governor about Expanding Commercial operations and not including Islanders....?”

    When Argentina have discussions about the Falklands (gladly fewer under Macri), NO Islanders are included.

    Quite obvious to see what the Islanders prefer-at least Fallon has talked to them at length.

    If Fallon has discussed something with the governor that the Islanders do not like, he will be rebuked-re: the governor in the 1970s that was sent packing at the Islander's requests.

    And that was when the Governor had legislative power!

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Voice 16.
    Hate to disappoint you but NO secrecy or division between Islanders and UK/MOD over economic co-operation and airterminal etc. Been an ongoing discussion point between local businesses and FIG and MOD for 5 yrs at least¬ just perhaps needs a senior UK Minister to give the MOD a “nudge” towards decision time.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Falkland Islands is one of Britain’s biggest military bases and as part of the UK ,
    Settled 30 years ago,

    we won, you lost=30 years ago,
    you were prevented from stealing what was NOT your 30 years ago,

    30 odd years ago you became a parasite and a stain on south America ,

    30 years ago,
    can ya read , do ya hear, are ye brainwashed,
    30 yeas ago,

    GET OVER IT.

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JuanGabriel

    Stick to taking selfies with dying endangered dolphins Argentina

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jo Bloggs

    Poor old Think (Voice, Dove, etc.), bitter as ever . The U.K. isn't excluding us from any discussions about terminal expansion. I've been very involved in discussions with the FCO, MOD and DfT about it. Nice try old man.

    Credibility check anyone?

    Feb 19th, 2016 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brasherboot

    Argies colonialism is at an end lol

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord O. Cromwell

    Hear ye Hear ye -
    Falklanders need to get used to the idea that the UK is the rightful owner of the Islands and without them, they should get their Spanish books out. The UK and not the Islanders beat off the Argie saps and kept the Isles...now pay up. It is only nice to know that they 'think' they are in control....self determination and all such nonsense.....God save the King!

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Oh poor new poster!

    So many mistakes in one single post.

    Can't even get Cromwell's title correct.

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @28 Lord O (Ringpiece?)

    “Falklanders need to get used to the idea that the UK is the rightful owner of the Islands ”

    You need to get into your head that the people who were born and live on the Islands hold the cards-not people like me born in England or Argentines born in Argentina.

    “The UK and not the Islanders beat off the Argie saps and kept the Isles...now pay up.”

    How about this for an idea? The Argentines pay up for the twotype42s and Lynx helicopters they didn't pay for, and pay war reparations for a war they started-that should go nicely toward the costs of the defence of the Falklands.

    And following your logic, when are Iraq, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone and Libya going to pay back the money it cost us to liberate them?

    That money would keep the Falklands defended till the following century.

    Another point, S for brains, unless it has been taken out, in the 1990s the FIG apparently wrote it into law that if there was ever sufficient money forthcoming from oil discoveries , that the FIG would fund their defence and pay back the UK all the money it has cost to defend the Islands since 1982.

    “self determination and all such nonsense”

    But you cannot prove it is nonsense, so go do one.

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    our peace region should condemn more investment for militarization the south atlantic in the international organizations and everywhere, specially after the minister of defense says clearly and loud Arg is not (and not in last gov was either) a threat.

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @30 Pete

    I don't think that the ridiculously named Lord O. Cromwell (Lard-O) is no more English than “Chronic” is American, “voice” is Scottish, or “Think” lives in Chubut.

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Or that Troy Tempest is a Supermarionation Puppet...
    The proof is a simple Google search...Troy Tempest...

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Arg is not (and not in last gov was either) a threat

    Until the next time,
    The reason the south Atlantic is what it is today, was because of argentines aggression,

    You may have nothing now,
    But give it time,
    When the time comes, you argies would do it all over again,

    A right nasty piece of you lot are,
    Real nasty.
    .

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    33 voice

    weak

    Feb 20th, 2016 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord O. Cromwell

    Well then, I think the Falklanders, who owe the UK quite a bit o' money should put it to a vote....self determination and all that whimsical nonsense....the second we leave you will prove just how much you are unable to crawl. So just get used to the idea of unilateral decisions by us as a way of maintaining your 'self determination'.

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    36 Lord O. Cromwell
    “So just get used to the idea of unilateral decisions” I don't believe they would give the recommendations of an Argentine troll any consideration.
    “III. TYPES OF SELF–DETERMINATION
    In other words, ‘Internal self-determination’ can take the form of participatory democracy,federalism, confederalism, unitarism, regionalism, local government, self-government within the existing state or any other arrangement that accord with the wishes of the people but compatible with the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the existing state.
    ‘External self-determination’ on the other hand can take the form of independence or separation or secession or self-government outside the existing state, or any other association that accord with the wishes of the people, which may not be compatible with the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the existing state.”
    RIGHT OF PEOPLES TO SELF-DETERMINATION IN THE PRESENT INTERNATIONAL LAW By Chinonso Ijezie

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • VoiceOver

    @ 2 VoiceTellingUsThatSheIs-aFool

    “Did he just imply that Sovereignty is settled by war...?”

    How was sovereignity over Spanish America settled?

    How was sovereignity over Argentina settled?

    How was sovereignity over the provinces Chaco, Formosa and settled?

    How was sovereignity over Patagonia settled?

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Scraping the bottom of the barrel Terry..
    big deal...you are now quoting the opinions of...
    Chinonso Ijezie
    I am a Consultant Solicitor (Legal Consultant) practicing in England and Wales. I am also qualified to practice as a Barrister & Solicitor in Nigeria. My areas of expertise include: Business & Commercial Contracts Law; Technology & Constructions Law; Data Protection & Privacy Law;
    E-Commerce & Maritime Law; Trademarks, Copyrights & Patents Law; Immigration & Employment Law; Landlords & Tenants Law; Civil Litigation & Dispute Resolution; and Advocacy (Lower Courts &Tribunals). I have successfully represented clients in the County Courts/Tribunal, and have on two occasions and with special permissions, argued Judicial Review cases at the High Court, London.

    What is missing there...?
    International law...UN Law...?
    The guy is an ordinary solicitor with opinions...

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord O. Cromwell

    Mr. Hill, enjoy all your lawyer speak and give yourself a pat on your shoulder. In the mean time, we will help ourselves to the many raw resources unilaterally, since we are your protectors...but the decision is ours...like it or not. You actually thought that the British Empire is actually really dead? - This is just another 'naughty deal' that Winston would relish.....Cheereo.

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @40 Lard-o

    “Cheereo”??

    Ha ha ha ... you're as English as ThinkVoice

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    39 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    Since you can proffer nothing from the ICJ that refutes Chinonso Ijezie's assertion and you place your reliance solely on a personal attack. I must conclude his assertions are correct. Thanks for the confirmation.
    “…Seemingly, in the Court’s view erga omnes obligations with respect to the right to self-determination include the duty to promote, through joint and separate action, realization of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter, and to render assistance to the United Nations in carrying out the responsibilities entrusted to it by the Charter regarding its implementation. ...”
    Self-Determination through the Lens of the International Court of Justice by Gentian Zyberi
    “The Court recalls that it has repeatedly stated that the fact that a question has political aspects does not suffice to deprive it of its character as a legal question”
    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/141/16010.pdf
    40 Lord O. Cromwel
    Other than outing you as phoney as three dollar bill is there some point your trying to make?

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    All the rheteric makes no difference, the FALKLANDS are a BOT and will be such until the FALKLANDERS decide otherwise and that will be a VERY LONG TIME, so move on next subject.

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @40 Tobias, TTT the troll.

    Don't you ever come up with anything new?

    FAIL yet again.

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @36 Lord O ring
    “Well then, I think the Falklanders, who owe the UK quite a bit o' money ”

    No. They have not been the recipients of aid (other than from the EU), and have always run at a surplus, so they don't owe the UK a penny.

    And most of their purchases are from the UK , a lot of which tax is paid for into the British Exchequer.

    And the defence is Argentina's fault so they should be made to pay war reparations which would pay for the Islands defence quite adequately.

    If the Falklands owe the UK money for defence then so do Afghanistan, Iraq, Sierra Leone and Libya to name a few.

    If one pays, they all must pay.

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    We must not feed the argy newby.

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @14 Seba

    “oh boy, another prussian-wannabe from the other side of the Andes”

    I can assure you he (@13) is not one of ours thankfully. He is an Anglo and claims to live on your side of the Andes.

    Saludos.

    Feb 21st, 2016 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord O. Cromwell

    Oh boy - what a bunch of ingrates...to think that we in the UK will freely protect those poor downtrodden Falklanders; expend millions of pounds and political capital to defend the rights of few thousand castaways half way around the world and expect not to receive anything in return. How many Falklanders perished in 82...3? from heart attacks...how much did they expend in military hardware and personnel...that's right none. Pay in fish and oil; relish your self determination.

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @49 Lard-O

    Are you seriously expecting readers to swallow the nonsense about you being English??

    Trying to undermine the UK FI friendship???

    LOL, try again!!

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @49 Tobias, TTT, Nostrils or whatever the hell you want to call yourself today.

    You're not fooling anyone.

    Those of us taxpayers in the UK don't mind paying a paltry 60 pence or so a year to defend the people of the Falklands from Argentina's imperialist colonial ambitions.

    If you were British you wouldn't either.

    I find it fascinating that only Argentines worry about how much the British taxpayer has to pay to defend the Falklands. You see, we British don't put a price on freedom. Only you Argentines do that.

    And if our troops and equipment weren't based in the Falklands they'd only be based somewhere else.

    Your usual childish efforts to try and divert the thread won't work.

    The Falklands are British. They were British 180 years ago. They were British in 1982. They were British during the your beloved Cristina's 'won' decade (how is that working out for you?), they're British now today, and they'll be British tomorrow, and the day after and the day after and so on and so forth.

    But they'll never be Argentine, will they? Why? Because us nasty Brits won't let you steal them.

    Run away and cry now Tobias, TTT, Nostrils or whatever your calling yourself now.

    Run away and cry about the nasty Brits picking on you.

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Yeah it makes me laugh!

    The relationship between the UK and Falkland Islands already exists and works.

    The Falkland Islands are part of the UK.

    Why would they choose Argentina if this warped view of their current situation is supposedly already so bad..... Argentina could only be worse.

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 47 Condorito

    Thank you. Apologies for my comment then.

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord O. Cromwell

    Funny how when anyone who has a different view than the 2900 or so Falklanders that it is some Argie or Britosexual; I never said you weren't Brits; just not from the UK and now we will retain some return on our investment. Now just shut up and be a good colony and Loyalist.

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @54 Lard-O

    You seem a lot like a poorly disguised Argie La Campora, Malvinasexual

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Hepatia
    hep, hep , and away.

    Feb 22nd, 2016 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @49 Lord O ringpiece

    “and expect not to receive anything in return”

    You mean like all the supplies that are bought from the UK by the Falklands ?

    Like all the UK taxpayers that are employed in the Falklands ?

    “how much did they expend in military hardware and personnel...that's right none.”

    That's wrong-usual Argentine zero/no one which means something different.

    FIG have invested a lot of money in the FIDF proportionate to their income.

    The FIG have invested money at MPA proportionate to their income.

    If the Falkland Islanders have to pay for liberation/ defence costs the so do Afghanistan,Iraq, Sierra Leone, Libya etc et etc

    You are an Argy but your lot aren't in power.

    Suck it up.

    Feb 24th, 2016 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sceptic64

    #54: Seumas Milne: is that you?

    You were always a retard when you wrote your drivel in the Grauniad. Now that you are an adviser for Corbyn, you remain a retard.

    You, and your fellow travellers in the Regressive Left, should beware of the bedfellows you keep: terrorists, dictators and their ilk.

    You pathetic trendy lefties are an embarrasment to democrats worldwide.

    Feb 24th, 2016 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord O. Cromwell

    hahhhaaaaa BOG - what a marrooonn....“You mean like all the supplies that are bought from the UK by the Falklands ?” ”Like all the UK taxpayers that are employed in the Falklands ?; How much stuff can sheep herders buy???? How much money can 4000 sheepherders spend on defense? haaahha....tears are coming out of my eyes. BOG - the quicker you realize that you have fish and oil that you cannot re create on the planet - then pay up. That is right, the Argies arent in power and neither are you; It is us Brits from the UK.

    Feb 25th, 2016 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @59 Lard-O

    aks Paul Cedron ??? LOL

    not British, not UK poster.

    Feb 25th, 2016 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    @48 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I needed a good joke to end the day.

    Feb 25th, 2016 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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