Prime Minister David Cameron hailed on Friday a landmark special status deal for Britain in the EU, and pledged to campaign heart and soul to stay in the block in a historic referendum scheduled for June. Read full article
I will be wholeheartedly campaign for the YES vote. I want to see then how they deny the Scots SELF-DETERMINATION in the immediate call for a new referendum that would ensue.
@2
I am with you on this, special status we already are a special status we are an island that wants to take care of our own. I can't see us staying in the EU with a complete mess that it is , the UK gives too much money to these deadbeats.
What about ALL the big guns who are stating the UK NEEDS the EU:
Branson, Easy Jet (dearer flights to where the UK's money is being robbed to), Big Business (but NOT the smaller SME's who are fed up with having to employ people to deal with the crap coming out of the EU) AND of course EMMA THOMPSON (former wife of Branagh).
Considering how pathetic Britain looks after agreeing to this compromise (where? ... they don't even have a right to starve the migrants as they wanted to do, seven year period my arse, and only one-time applicable? What a humiliating diplomatic whooping)
Merkel: didn't give them too much (crumbs)
Hollande: no exceptions to the rules (not one)
Grybauskaite: drama over (drama queens)
Yikes. I don't recall Britain ever looking so egged in the face.
Well the EU is far from perfect, and the manipulative power brokers high up just love the idea of captaining the lives of Europes little people to benefit industrialists and bureaucrats and themselves.
So I cant say the out campaign are all that bad or necessarily wrong.
What is very satisfying though is seeing a certain sub-demographic of the out campaign losing their sht constantly, I think the right message is finally getting through to the right select people, and is evidenced by the rest of the EU's population repeatedly ignoring them and telling them to get back in line like everyone else or simply leave (possibly without your scottish girlfriend)
God bless this referendum - yes result or no result, I win.
Looks like it will be close.
9
You pay tax on UK based pensions...so what so does every ex-pat...
Council tax on property...that's a new one...
I seriously doubt it...
The Council tax would be paid by the person occupying it...
Or are you saying it's been empty for all these years...and you are paying a reduced tax as a second property...
You would have sold it to better your chances with increased revenue to get into your preferred options of retirement...
You are telling porkies I reckon...
What vote... you are not resident...you don't know the rules of the referendum yet...
It will probably be like the Scottish Indyref...You have to be resident and on the electoral roll....
Don't try and fool me...I am a resident and I know the score...
UK special status ,
As if,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
they, our overlords still control our
borders , parliament , laws , courts , immigration , human rights,
and our money,
and we want out,
it will be uphill struggle,
lets hope the people wake up and vote to leave this corrupt gravy train.
besides,
the EU can reverse what David has just agreed,
but not until the mugs have voted to stay,
then the revenge squads will make us suffer,
but hey, let wait and see,
-vote to leave. And take our country back...
I'm actually a supporter of the EU. I think it is a great project that is still finding its feet after existing for only a very short time. Whereas large countries like China, India and Russia have subsumed multiple nations into one large empire, Europe's history has created a multitude of small nation-states that is rare in the world. The EU works for these smaller states.
However I don't think it works for the UK. If the EU had taken a different path, a more confederal arrangement with the aim of keeping power devolved then it would have been perfect.
But it is taking the super-state path and this doesn't fit with the UK's legal, political and civil society traditions and the UK's role in the world.
Germany used the EU to help create a world role it lost in WW2 and France used it to help bolster its waining world role that was hastened by WW2. The UK needed neither. While its power has diminished relatively due to new rising powers (some of which may have already peaked).
The UK is on track to become the second most populous European country after Russia.... and considering its demographics.... probably the first.
With or without Scotland, the UK will survive outside the EU. Scottish secessionism is more emotional and related to some warped idea of prestige than something that will severely weaken the UK. There is some idea that the UK has failed if Scotland wants or gains independence. The fact that London faces and accepts the self determination of Scotland is a sign of strength not weakness. Supposedly powerful countries that are 'up and coming' such as India, China and Russia are too scared to even contemplate the question let alone ask it.
Your CommentNothing more bemusing than to return from a soiree of unrestrained wine sampling in the worldest largest Wine festival, and discover that someone makes even less sense than I do half intoxicated.
It is the epitame of Anglo self-centrism to have the gall to asseverate the nonense that Germany and France lost world status after wwii but the British, somehow, did not.
Back on planet Earth everyone knows the UK is much diminished from before, and from its own dexline, not because other powers rose to overtake it. Nonsense. These aee the pithy facts:
You have no evidence for your preposterous population forecast. And let us asume it actually does pan out... do you really believe there is any advantage in being overcrowded in a small damp island, that has been virtually bare-stripped of valuable resources? Against far larger nations that do have resources and still will have more population? Lets also assume the EU becomes a superstate, it also has far more resources much larger territory. And while population decline will make things econimically challenging for a generation or two, then things will stabilize and all those countries will emerge leaner and with more stable room for growth and resourcess.
And if I were a Scot I would be utterly sickened by your abominably benighted commentary on why Scots want to be independent. In your statement you basically denigrate them to the status of immature youths, whose yearnings and aspirations as a people are nothing more than jejune misnotions, and not at all because maybe, just mtaybe, they have a cultural heritage of their own, values of their own, and projects of their own that may diverge from the narrow, insular (pun certainly intended) policies from some far off capital with both a diva complex and a penis envy complex all in one bizarre mentality. After all who would ever even ruminate the possibility of leaving the paradise on Earth that is the UK as imagined by the Anglo supreacists here?
You should stop banging your head against the wall and start to think.
I am most certainly not telling everyone on here my detailed financial situation in the UK but this is one thing I will tell you: you are wrong on everything!!!
AND, unlike you, I don't tell lies.
BTW, the Embassy tell me it's very unlikely that I will be disenfranchised because I am a British Citizen and am registered with them as such.
So, what are you? Did an argie invade the nest and you were the result or are you just a imbecilic Scot who hates the Brits, there are masses of those stupid bastards north of the border, soon to be 'armoured' to keep you lot out!
Just imagine, when you lot are in the EU (10 years minimum processing time) your 'country' will be about the size of Uruguay but with even less sense as far as your 'government' is concerned and THAT is saying something.
The EU has clearly failed. It will try negative interest and will lose. Germany as an economic powerhouse is over. Without Germany there's no money. to hid the huge cracks in the economic system.
UK needs to get out now.
Scotland is a non-entity. Nobody cares if they stay or go. They just need to quit whining about it.
Back on planet Earth everyone knows the UK is much diminished
correct, other powers have grown at our expense,
we need out,
we need to control our future,
and leave Europe to its own devises,
BESIDES, if the lying politicians are right, and the unmighty EU are the biggest trading block in the world [they aint]
then they wont miss us will they.
I think it is successful. It has just been too unrealistic in its goals.
The UK isn't a good fit for the EU but that doesn't mean that it isn't a good fit for other countries. Ignoring the EU successes and only concentrating on its problems and failures isn't being honest.
It does seem to have provided a fugacious interlude from 3000 years of endless war, intermission which I am quite confident will speedily come to a close soon enough, and you EUian beasts can resume your endless barbarism. You can put lipstick on a pig, or monkey, but soon enough...
I'm sure in the next 30 years we will see another massive invasion of boat people into Argentina.
Using terms in English that are out of fashion does not impress anybody.
The only invasion locally to Argentina in the last 30 some years was when they invaded the Falklands and had to be handed their arses to 'encourage' them to run away, the 'officers' that is. They left their army behind.
We have, it seems always end up defending democracy in Europe,
when we vote to leave this cesspit, others will follow, and hopefully the evil EU will collapse and just leave to the begging bowls and Germany to fight over the scraps.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI will be wholeheartedly campaign for the YES vote. I want to see then how they deny the Scots SELF-DETERMINATION in the immediate call for a new referendum that would ensue.
Feb 20th, 2016 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1. How are you going to campaign? Don't bring it on here. Besides most British people want OUT. And scotland can go anytime.
Feb 20th, 2016 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Feb 20th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am with you on this, special status we already are a special status we are an island that wants to take care of our own. I can't see us staying in the EU with a complete mess that it is , the UK gives too much money to these deadbeats.
What about ALL the big guns who are stating the UK NEEDS the EU:
Feb 20th, 2016 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Branson, Easy Jet (dearer flights to where the UK's money is being robbed to), Big Business (but NOT the smaller SME's who are fed up with having to employ people to deal with the crap coming out of the EU) AND of course EMMA THOMPSON (former wife of Branagh).
I mean. who can ignore such illustrious people?
Vote LEAVE!
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Feb 20th, 2016 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says the Ex-pat...
Not your concern...
Mind your own busyness...
Considering how pathetic Britain looks after agreeing to this compromise (where? ... they don't even have a right to starve the migrants as they wanted to do, seven year period my arse, and only one-time applicable? What a humiliating diplomatic whooping)
Feb 20th, 2016 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merkel: didn't give them too much (crumbs)
Hollande: no exceptions to the rules (not one)
Grybauskaite: drama over (drama queens)
Yikes. I don't recall Britain ever looking so egged in the face.
Well the EU is far from perfect, and the manipulative power brokers high up just love the idea of captaining the lives of Europes little people to benefit industrialists and bureaucrats and themselves.
Feb 20th, 2016 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I cant say the out campaign are all that bad or necessarily wrong.
What is very satisfying though is seeing a certain sub-demographic of the out campaign losing their sht constantly, I think the right message is finally getting through to the right select people, and is evidenced by the rest of the EU's population repeatedly ignoring them and telling them to get back in line like everyone else or simply leave (possibly without your scottish girlfriend)
God bless this referendum - yes result or no result, I win.
Looks like it will be close.
Scotland can go for independence any time it likes. Saves England about £5 billion per annum.
Feb 20th, 2016 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nostril - shut up. Medoza has no say and your influence is zero.
@ 5 Voice
Feb 20th, 2016 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no idea what I am as a British ex-pat, do you?
I pay tax in the UK on my several incomes and I have property interests which also remit revenue to the local authorities.
AND I have an extended family there and cannot see how some so-called 'Scot' as yourself can dare to castigate me. I probably pay more tax than you.
BTW, I have a VOTE, arranged by the UK Embassy in MVD.
So STFU, your moron.
9
Feb 20th, 2016 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You pay tax on UK based pensions...so what so does every ex-pat...
Council tax on property...that's a new one...
I seriously doubt it...
The Council tax would be paid by the person occupying it...
Or are you saying it's been empty for all these years...and you are paying a reduced tax as a second property...
You would have sold it to better your chances with increased revenue to get into your preferred options of retirement...
You are telling porkies I reckon...
What vote... you are not resident...you don't know the rules of the referendum yet...
It will probably be like the Scottish Indyref...You have to be resident and on the electoral roll....
Don't try and fool me...I am a resident and I know the score...
UK special status ,
Feb 20th, 2016 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As if,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
they, our overlords still control our
borders , parliament , laws , courts , immigration , human rights,
and our money,
and we want out,
it will be uphill struggle,
lets hope the people wake up and vote to leave this corrupt gravy train.
besides,
the EU can reverse what David has just agreed,
but not until the mugs have voted to stay,
then the revenge squads will make us suffer,
but hey, let wait and see,
-vote to leave. And take our country back...
I'm actually a supporter of the EU. I think it is a great project that is still finding its feet after existing for only a very short time. Whereas large countries like China, India and Russia have subsumed multiple nations into one large empire, Europe's history has created a multitude of small nation-states that is rare in the world. The EU works for these smaller states.
Feb 20th, 2016 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However I don't think it works for the UK. If the EU had taken a different path, a more confederal arrangement with the aim of keeping power devolved then it would have been perfect.
But it is taking the super-state path and this doesn't fit with the UK's legal, political and civil society traditions and the UK's role in the world.
Germany used the EU to help create a world role it lost in WW2 and France used it to help bolster its waining world role that was hastened by WW2. The UK needed neither. While its power has diminished relatively due to new rising powers (some of which may have already peaked).
The UK is on track to become the second most populous European country after Russia.... and considering its demographics.... probably the first.
With or without Scotland, the UK will survive outside the EU. Scottish secessionism is more emotional and related to some warped idea of prestige than something that will severely weaken the UK. There is some idea that the UK has failed if Scotland wants or gains independence. The fact that London faces and accepts the self determination of Scotland is a sign of strength not weakness. Supposedly powerful countries that are 'up and coming' such as India, China and Russia are too scared to even contemplate the question let alone ask it.
Your CommentNothing more bemusing than to return from a soiree of unrestrained wine sampling in the worldest largest Wine festival, and discover that someone makes even less sense than I do half intoxicated.
Feb 21st, 2016 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is the epitame of Anglo self-centrism to have the gall to asseverate the nonense that Germany and France lost world status after wwii but the British, somehow, did not.
Back on planet Earth everyone knows the UK is much diminished from before, and from its own dexline, not because other powers rose to overtake it. Nonsense. These aee the pithy facts:
You have no evidence for your preposterous population forecast. And let us asume it actually does pan out... do you really believe there is any advantage in being overcrowded in a small damp island, that has been virtually bare-stripped of valuable resources? Against far larger nations that do have resources and still will have more population? Lets also assume the EU becomes a superstate, it also has far more resources much larger territory. And while population decline will make things econimically challenging for a generation or two, then things will stabilize and all those countries will emerge leaner and with more stable room for growth and resourcess.
And if I were a Scot I would be utterly sickened by your abominably benighted commentary on why Scots want to be independent. In your statement you basically denigrate them to the status of immature youths, whose yearnings and aspirations as a people are nothing more than jejune misnotions, and not at all because maybe, just mtaybe, they have a cultural heritage of their own, values of their own, and projects of their own that may diverge from the narrow, insular (pun certainly intended) policies from some far off capital with both a diva complex and a penis envy complex all in one bizarre mentality. After all who would ever even ruminate the possibility of leaving the paradise on Earth that is the UK as imagined by the Anglo supreacists here?
The real
@ 10 Voice
Feb 21st, 2016 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should stop banging your head against the wall and start to think.
I am most certainly not telling everyone on here my detailed financial situation in the UK but this is one thing I will tell you: you are wrong on everything!!!
AND, unlike you, I don't tell lies.
BTW, the Embassy tell me it's very unlikely that I will be disenfranchised because I am a British Citizen and am registered with them as such.
So, what are you? Did an argie invade the nest and you were the result or are you just a imbecilic Scot who hates the Brits, there are masses of those stupid bastards north of the border, soon to be 'armoured' to keep you lot out!
Just imagine, when you lot are in the EU (10 years minimum processing time) your 'country' will be about the size of Uruguay but with even less sense as far as your 'government' is concerned and THAT is saying something.
Too much wine Nostrils?
Feb 21st, 2016 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0That was a great attempt at a rebuttal.
The EU has clearly failed. It will try negative interest and will lose. Germany as an economic powerhouse is over. Without Germany there's no money. to hid the huge cracks in the economic system.
Feb 21st, 2016 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK needs to get out now.
Scotland is a non-entity. Nobody cares if they stay or go. They just need to quit whining about it.
Back on planet Earth everyone knows the UK is much diminished
Feb 21st, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0correct, other powers have grown at our expense,
we need out,
we need to control our future,
and leave Europe to its own devises,
BESIDES, if the lying politicians are right, and the unmighty EU are the biggest trading block in the world [they aint]
then they wont miss us will they.
I don't think the EU has failed.
Feb 22nd, 2016 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think it is successful. It has just been too unrealistic in its goals.
The UK isn't a good fit for the EU but that doesn't mean that it isn't a good fit for other countries. Ignoring the EU successes and only concentrating on its problems and failures isn't being honest.
@ 18 Skip
Feb 22nd, 2016 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please describe three successes that the EU has achieved.
I voted for the UK to join the Common Market. I did not vote to join a communistic entity and lose powers that should rightly be the UK's to it.
@19
Feb 22nd, 2016 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does seem to have provided a fugacious interlude from 3000 years of endless war, intermission which I am quite confident will speedily come to a close soon enough, and you EUian beasts can resume your endless barbarism. You can put lipstick on a pig, or monkey, but soon enough...
I'm sure in the next 30 years we will see another massive invasion of boat people into Argentina.
@ 20 'clever' dickhead
Feb 22nd, 2016 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Using terms in English that are out of fashion does not impress anybody.
The only invasion locally to Argentina in the last 30 some years was when they invaded the Falklands and had to be handed their arses to 'encourage' them to run away, the 'officers' that is. They left their army behind.
You must be so proud.
19
Feb 23rd, 2016 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were warned of the consequences of joining...
The vote No campaign clearly stated these in the leaflets in 1975...
Could you not read then..?
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/08/there-was-no-excuse-for-thinking-the-common-market-was-just-a-free-trade-group-in-1975.html
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/08/there-was-no-excuse-for-thinking-the-common-market-was-just-a-free-trade-group-in-1975.html
So it was your fault....
Me...I was a wain in wee breeks.....
We have, it seems always end up defending democracy in Europe,
Feb 23rd, 2016 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when we vote to leave this cesspit, others will follow, and hopefully the evil EU will collapse and just leave to the begging bowls and Germany to fight over the scraps.
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