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Despite Malvinas, “we want to accord and collaborate with the UK” to the benefit of both countries
Argentine president Mauricio Macri said he wants to reach an agreement with the UK that will enable collaboration in areas of mutual interest, despite the dispute over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands, although 'we will never drop Argentina's historic claim on the issue'. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“We will never drop Argentina's HISTRIONIC claim on the issue.” There President Macri, fixed that for you, no charge.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its not a problem for the islanders we can wait. Maybe 3033
Feb 24th, 2016 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Macri wants to restore confidence he can a) withdraw the unilateral ban on charter flights crossing Argentine airspace; b) repeal punitive hydrocarbons laws with putative extra-territorial application; c) withdraw laws against fishing interests; d) say that he respects Falkland Islanders and their right to exist; e) provide environmental data to the FI Fisheries Directorate to assist improved fisheries science; f) give back her job to the Argentine fisheries scientist who was sacked for daring to visit..............g) h) i) j) k).
Feb 24th, 2016 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are plenty of options for confidence building Mr Macri. Choose one or two and get on with it and we might start to believe some of the rhetoric.
“We're committed to a solution through dialogue” said Macri admitting that solving the South Atlantic Islands difference”
Feb 24th, 2016 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0This language could be interpreted in different ways. If the solution is a flexible one, solving the difference rather than a' we demand, Macri is covering himself by not promising the impossible and opening a door to a real solution, that does not automatically include Argentine colonialism (which the Peronists are not going to like),rather than an Argentine fantasy.
“we want to open a new era of relations with the world” which will allow Argentina to develop “intelligent, mature relations for mutual benefit”
In other words, instead of loosing everything and going down the shitter, we want to get something for Argentina even if it isn't all we want.
Poison to Peronist ears, who's project since the 1940s has been to destroy Argentinaa.
I think he is trying to placate the Peronists whilst opening the door to trade. Even Macri must know he will never get the Falklands but doesn't want to waste money on a fools errand like CFK's government.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And today, as reported, after the attack by a dragon on Mauricio Macri
Feb 24th, 2016 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0his burnt ashen soaked body was examined and a note in carbon was found in place of his brain,
it said, the islands are British, get through your bloody head,
so they say.
Macri has a general good idea but he is limited by his constitution, by law he has to defend the Argentine Empire of the South Atlantic of which the “Malvinas” or Falklands sovereignty is a crucial part, or change the Constitution.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Macri himself wouldn't even be able to put the issue in to the hands of the International Court of Justice... Not even the President has freedom of opinion, he wouldn't be able to say that he agrees that the 1850 peace treaty tacitly recognizes the sovereignty of the Crown over the Falklands or / and that Rosas was told he would not be “compensated” for this because the Crown wouldn't grant Argentina what it didn't grant neither France nor Spain before it... So Macri is doing what he can in the circumstances.
The Crown can't negotiate with a constitution already written, and the Crown should not be compelled to accept the indoctrinated views of previous fascist Argentine governments who invented a claim in the 1940's , set indoctrination of this in to the education system and forty years latter caused a war in 1982.
We must continue to support the Falklanders and the UK sovereignty, without unduly attacking Macri for what he has to do according to his constitution written by the indoctrinated and which advocates the Argentine Empire of the South Atlantic and which has the homes of the Islanders and HM's Military Base Mount Pleasant right in the middle.
One must give Macri what is due to him, even though he inherited Argentina in quite a state, he has never used the “Malvinas” (Falklands) smoke screen even once as the Kirchners did all the time.
I'm surprissed by the comments of some people here. Based on some posts made in the past “Islanders don't need anything from Argentina”. Nothing means nothing..not charters, no fisheries cooperation.....
Feb 24th, 2016 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saying that we, Argentina and the UK, must work in common interest areas is “the pollitically correct speech” repeated several times by UK PM and UK Ambassadors. So, Macri is just repeating it. Who can be offended by it?
Reading @3 comment it seems that he will be happy just with one thing: Argentina leaving vacant the Patagonia.
If the Islands are British, why is Ireland not all Irish? They don't get the right of self determination?
Feb 24th, 2016 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is now into it's 3rd month of a new progressive , pro business government that is looking to get the country back to work , come to a deal with it's creditors , restore it's standing in the world , make it the leading economy of Latin America and a worthy member of the G8 . Yet we still get the same sad little pipsqueaks on here demanding “ dialogue ” about some disputed islands 400 Kms from the mainland that would be an economic drag on their country for the next 4 decades if they belonged to Argentina .
Feb 24th, 2016 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are so concerned about what's been robbed from you , why not complain about the wholesale rape and theft of the country for over a decade by Cristina and her government ?
And Voice , the Northern Irish do get self determination , more of them want to be British than Irish , you know , like Uruguay wanting to be independent and not Argentine ?
My darling voice you really do leave yourself open to ridicule-so let me tell you this Northern Ireland remains British because THE MAJORITY of its people want it to be-it's the will of the people my dear.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Macri appeared to have gotten off to a good start, but when you hear something stupid like “'we will never drop Argentina's historic claim on the issue'”, it makes you wonder. If he believes that crap, why doesn't he simply go to the ICJ ? He won't, for the same reason TMBOA didn't. The fact is he knows the Argies have no claim, but thinks he can bullshit the UK into sitting at the negotiation table....will never happen.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice
Feb 24th, 2016 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ireland is all Irish, you dimwit. It's just that in an act of self determination (long before the UN was formed) the people in what is now the Republic of Ireland wanted Independence from the UK, and the people in Northern Ireland wanted to remain a part of the UK.
Therefore 100% totally self determination.
p.s. Did you know that there is a movement in the Republic of Ireland to reunify ALL of Ireland by saying that the Republic should rejoin the UK! Who'd've thought it!
Oh and you do know that anyone from the British Isles is British didn't you? And you do know that the British Isles includes the island of Great Britain and the island of Ireland, plus many different smaller islands, including some that are British but not part of the UK. Like the Isle of Man isn't part of the UK, but the inhabitants are British.
And the people of the Falklands are British, but the Falklands aren't part of the UK, although they could be if the people of the Falklands wished to be.
I've often wondered why people say it's so hard for the stupid clause in the Argentine constitution regarding the Falklands to be removed. I mean, CFK altered the Argentine constitution whilst in office and it took her a day.
The Argentine constitution must be written in pencil to allow easy alteration, so it can't be that difficult to remove that part. They only have to be willing to do it, which they aren't.
Macri might be sane (compared to CFK anyway), but even he's keeping the malvinas myth going, as I'm sure it will be useful at some point to distract the great unwashed masses when things start going wrong.
Time will tell.
It's all over now baby-blue as any and all discussions between the UK and Argentina based on any UN Resolutions are at an end, as they are ultra vires(beyond the powers). As they conflict with the UN Charter and the following determination by the ultimate legal authority. As further finality the ICJ in Kosovo stated “The Court recalls that it has repeatedly stated that the fact that a question has political aspects does not suffice to deprive it of its character as a legal question“.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Also in the decision of June 30, 1995, concerning the East Timor Case (Portugal v. Australia) the International Court reaffirmed that the principle of self-determination of peoples is recognized by the UN Charter and by its own jurisprudence as being “one of the essential principles of contemporary international law.” Self-Determination vs. Territorial Integrity by Ara Papian
“the Court … confirmed that the principle of self-determination was an obligation erga omnes” Akehurst's Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk.
@13 “I've often wondered why people say it's so hard for the stupid clause in the Argentine constitution regarding the Falklands to be removed. I mean, CFK altered the Argentine constitution whilst in office and it took her a day.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine constitution must be written in pencil to allow easy alteration, so it can't be that difficult to remove that part. They only have to be willing to do it, which they aren't.”
CFK didn't change the Constitituion, she violated it, which is different. But anyway, if Macri tries to go against the Constitution in regards to Malvinas, his political career will be over, if he isn't ousted inmediately.
@9 'If the Islands are British, why is Ireland not all Irish? They don't get the right of self determination?'
Feb 24th, 2016 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 referenda were held in both Northern Ireland and in the Republic of Ireland so that the people of both could have their say.
Interestingly enough, one of the main questions put to the voters in the Republic was whether Ireland should amend its constitution. Under the proposed amendment the blanket claim to Northern Ireland would be removed and replaced by a hope that Ireland would be reunited one day, while accepting that a necessary pre-requisite would be a democratic decision by the majority of NI's people that they wished reunification.
The NI referendum passed with over 70% of the vote: the Republic referendum passed by nearly 95% of the vote and the Irish constitution was duly changed in 1999 to embrace the principle that NI's people should be free to democratically determine their own future.
Self-determination...it's such a beautiful thing...
LEPRecon
Feb 24th, 2016 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks, that told em,
they are totally brainwashed, and refure to listen to reason,
and do you notice, when they have no answer, they slag us and our past and the old empire off,
poor fools.
Guys that's fake V0ice with a zero in its name.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, even the idiot behind the name who only feels validated by impersonating someone else, helped others to raise some good points.
Own goal!
Folks- dont read into what Macri says - what you want or do not want him to say.
Feb 24th, 2016 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He IS tied by his constitution and Public Opinion - but he knows also what is
is best and sensible for his Country.
That is to improve relations with places like UK - and just simply put the Sov issue aside and onto a backburner for the time being as it is insoluble, and in due course allow temperatures to drop, and some sensible agreements reached which are of simple economic benefit to both sides.
At the same time to keep internal public opinion happy - there are certain things he has to say at time.
Is Cristina Argentinas Lady Macbeth? Menem calls for autopsy on Nestors corps.
Feb 25th, 2016 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1945 the Germans had to give up their claims for domination of the territories of their neighbours.
Feb 25th, 2016 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's time that Argentina did likewise.
Faker @9...
Feb 25th, 2016 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I once asked a guy from Northern Ireland...“what do I call you...Northern Irish,,,?”
He said...just Irish...
Apparently he gets asked that quite frequently...
So it's not such a dumb question...
Yes it was. As has been pointed out by a number of posters, #9 question is just plain dumb.
Feb 25th, 2016 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your question is a loaded question that presumes that their is something wrong with coming from Northern Ireland, so it is also dumb.
V0ice with a zero in his name doesn't have the intelligence level to understand that identity can be multi-faceted and someone can easily be concurrently British and Irish.
Feb 25th, 2016 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0One stems from a nation and one stems from a state.
tbf Northern Ireland is complicated and one of many legacy's of empire that didn't exactly go swimmingly too put it mildly.
Feb 25th, 2016 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#19 exactly he will do the bare minimum about the Falklands knowing he hasn't got a hope in that direction but not yet able to drop it completely.
No, Crimea, Ukraine, Georgia, Chechyna, Tibet, Taiwan...... they are “legacies of empire that didn't exactly go swimmingly”.
Feb 25th, 2016 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As soon as the majority of people in Northern Ireland wish to leave the UK, they will simply...... leave.
You always know when the argies have run out of replies,
Feb 25th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they bring up any and all parts of the British isles,
you know when they have run out of truths,
the insults start coming,
you know when they are frightened,
hey start running.
its not yours , never has been and never will be.
Faker @22
Feb 25th, 2016 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it when you ask a Scotch resident anything they get irritated? But then you are not Scotch and dont know the answer.
23
Feb 26th, 2016 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just love it...I just love it when some idiot thinks they know more than me...
Try Googling...“Are people from Northern Ireland Irish...”
It isn't a dumb question as it all depends on who you ask....
Try asking an Orange Man..and see what he says....
A small sample...from Google...
“In Northern Ireland, national identity is complex and diverse. The three most common identities are British, Northern Irish and Irish. Most people of Protestant background consider themselves British, while a majority of people of Catholic background consider themselves Irish.”
”The difference between Northern Ireland and other parts of the UK is that people in Scotland would consider themselves Scottish and British (not all mind you) or the people of Wales would say they are Welsh and British whereas British Unionists very rarely refer to themselves as Irish and Irish Nationalists rarely ...“
”SIGNIFICANTLY more people in Northern Ireland consider themselves British as opposed to Irish, answers to a new census question have indicated.
However, the question on national identity showed that 40% of the population said they were British only, 25% said they were Irish only and 21% said they were only Northern Irish.“
”In a major speech shortly after announcing his resignation, Bertie Ahern declared that one of the saddest developments in recent decades has been “the reduction in the number of people in the North from a Protestant unionist and loyalist background who regard themselves as Irish, or as both Irish and British”.
“Are people from Northern Ireland considered British or Irish?
Hi, this is welcome to anybody who wants to share an input on this discussion.
I'm asking this because several times on the internet I've encountered people going mad from N.Ireland if you call them ”Irish“ and the response is ”I am British mate”.
Have you had enough or do you want more...?
#29“I just love it...I just love it when some idiot thinks they know more than me...”
Feb 26th, 2016 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then you must be a very happy man then.
But, if it makes you happy, keep on googling, its easier than using your brain!
and the response is ”I am British mate”.
Feb 26th, 2016 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0says it all.
#30 I think that “Alta Vista” is more their style.
Feb 26th, 2016 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GLALLAMOSA: DEJA DE HABLAR MIERDA, PEDAZO DE HIJO DEPUTA, TE VOY A PARTIR TODOS LOS HUESOS POR TRAIDOR , HIJO DE REMIL PUTA.ISLANDER:DONT DREAM TO MUCH , SQUATT.LEPRECON: MACRI ISNT A PRESIDENT , HE IS A MONKEY WHO TRY TO ADMINISTER A NATION AND HE ALREADY BEND DOWN INFRONT OF THE ANLGO LAW, BUT ONE THING IS SURE , CONSTITUTION WONT CHANGE AT ALL, SO DONT GET TO CONFORTABLE...PGERMAN:PATAGONIA CANT BE RENTED TO ANY FOREIGNER, IS OURS, WEAK BOYY.PETE BOG:YOUR IGNORANCE IS FUNY, WE WAS THE BEST NATION BACK IN 1940 WITH THE GENERAL, I GUESS YOU ARE CONFUSED, THIS IS SOTH CONE , DUMMY
Feb 27th, 2016 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think what he is saying is that Argentina will return Patagonia to the indigenous people there within the next 25 years.
Feb 27th, 2016 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 Daft bugger isnt it?
Feb 27th, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really think now that this hepathetic is a tribute to the absence of an effective mental health programme in Argentistan.
Feb 27th, 2016 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 033
Feb 27th, 2016 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you were saying,
parts 2/3/4/5/6/ please.
@33
Feb 27th, 2016 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“WE WAS THE BEST NATION BACK IN 1940 ”
And now you are STILL patrolling your borders in aircraft driven by propellers, SEVENTY SIX years later!
Good luck against our Typhoons sucker!
“ BUT ONE THING IS SURE , CONSTITUTION WONT CHANGE AT ALL, SO DONT GET TO CONFORTABLE.”
Any time your ships that can't float, your submarines that can't stay underwater, and your PROPELLER driven FRONT LINE fighters, and your soldiers you can't afford to pay for more that three days a week, decide to attack the Falklands, try not to be anywhere near the 5 nearest airfields in Southern Argentina, or near any of the naval ports or army bases, unless you want to get UNCOMFORTABLE (i.e. blown to kingdom come).
RE gorgeousanus @33 “ ....WE WAS THE BEST NATION BACK IN 1940 WITH THE GENERAL, I GUESS YOU ARE CONFUSED,....”
Feb 27th, 2016 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What 1940 general is georgeyouranus referring to? Certainly not little Juanito Perón since this was before his time and Perón was just a junior officer anyway -- I don't believe he ever had a military rank above lieutenant-colonel. I seem to recall that the president here in 1940 was an attorney and not an officer, and the country was totally corrupt and buggered.
Maybe georgeyouranus is a byproduct of the Kirchnerist miseducation system?
@33 Up George's anus
Feb 27th, 2016 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are one stupid, ignorant bugger....sod off a.hole !
The UK will return the Malvians within 25 years.
Feb 28th, 2016 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who are the Malvians and where are they going?
Feb 28th, 2016 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@41 Lily the Pink has changed her mantra! Marti, I think the Malvians may be in the British Museum next to the Elgin Marbles
Feb 28th, 2016 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May well be, since there is evidence that someone has lost their marbles.
Feb 28th, 2016 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Feb 28th, 2016 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that your charisma bypass operation was a complete success.
Well, no empire lasts forever, and no armada lasts forever. Anything that was unjustly done is due to be rectified. That includes your little british colony, don´t get too cocky, you had to leave Hong Kong, nothing says you will not leave here too.
Feb 29th, 2016 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@44 Marti
Feb 29th, 2016 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvian marbles have rolled under the couch, where the Malvinistas can't get them.
46#
Feb 29th, 2016 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0In HK Britain was dealing with a lease that was about to expire and the Chinese.
In the Falklands, Britain is dealing with? A bunch of nobodies!
I think that the Falklands lease allows the current islanders to stay until the year 2098, at which point they can renew at no cost, and continue to trade unmolested with the Bolivian seaports on the Río de la Plata, in which used to be Argentina. Argentina will be dissolved within 25 years and the pieces sold to pay outstanding debts in arrears.
Feb 29th, 2016 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 8 pgerman
Feb 29th, 2016 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm surprissed by the comments of some people here. Based on some posts made in the past “Islanders don't need anything from Argentina”. Nothing means nothing..not charters, no fisheries cooperation.....”
You may not be aware of it, but in the English language there is a clear distinction between “need to have” and “nice to have”.
@46
Mar 01st, 2016 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Well, no empire lasts forever,”
Correct-the British Empire expired over 50 years ago-and?
“Anything that was unjustly done is due to be rectified”
There's nothing unjust about the people born on the Falkland Islands, deciding how it is run.
Suck it up.
“nothing says you will not leave here too”
Yes it does. Self Determination says the people that live on and were born on the Islands decide their future-NOT the UK, NOT Argentina, in simple terms for you, people that were NOT born on the Islands don't get to choose.
Either time stands still for Hep C, or she means that 25 years never changes and in end, what she is really saying , that the Islands remain British forever. It's always “
Mar 01st, 2016 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The UK will return the Malvians within 25 years.”
in 5 years.....The UK will return the Malvians within 25 years.
in 2025...The UK will return the Malvians within 25 years.
in 2050......The UK will return the Malvians within 25 years.
We understand you now Hepatitis. Have you had your interferon shot lately?
#46
Mar 01st, 2016 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“” nothing says you will not leave here too.“”
Conversely nothing says that we will leave here either. Suck on that one.
Argentina has about as much chance of eventual administration of the Falklands as do East Sandistan and Bratwurstia.
Mar 01st, 2016 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe Hepatitis can tell us how much of the formerly Argentine Patagonia is now a Chinese colony? How much of the Vaca Muerta fields were turned over to Chevron?
Since we are with the acid humor, tell me, how´s coming the trillion dollar program on submarines, while people starve in your country?
Mar 03rd, 2016 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly, who gives a damn about the self determination of the grandsons of some freaking colonists from an infamous, notoriously evil nation half planet away. With that criteria, any nation can invade another and get some people to shag down there, and then “its ours”. Funny.
#55
Mar 03rd, 2016 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0any nation can invade another and get some people to shag down there, and then “its ours”. Funny.
That's how Argentina was founded. Hypocritical to the nth degree.
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