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Spain will bring up the issue of Gibraltar, 'the very next day' UK votes to leave European Union

Saturday, March 5th 2016 - 08:52 UTC
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The caretaker Spanish Foreign Secretary, Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo, has declared that he will bring up the question of Gibraltar ‘the very next day’ if the UK votes to leave the European Union on 23rd June. The interview has been described by the Chief Minister Fabian Picardo as an example of why it's so much more important for Gibraltar to remain in Europe. Read full article


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  • Skip

    So what?

    They'll bring it up.... woopdedoo!

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Spain would raise Gibraltar ‘the day after Brexit’ – Margallo
    Spain would seek talks on Gibraltar “the very next day” after a British withdrawal from the European Union, the country’s caretaker Foreign Minister, José Manuel García-Margallo, said yesterday
    Perhaps Gibraltar should seek even closer ties with the UK and become part of Britain, and send MPs to Westminster,

    One thinks that Spain may well find the border being closed again,
    Spain thinks she will become the privileged state in a new united states of Europe, the brain washing is already taking place,

    I think Gibraltar being part of the UK will protect her future,
    A united states of Europe, with Britain stuck in, will make Gibraltar more European not British,
    All im saying is, the world is changing, the old greedy dictatorships and unified states are already rearing their ugly heads,
    I would rather be part of the UK now, and securing my future,
    Rather than relying on corrupt [remain] politicians that will see us both part of a European dictatorship,
    Just my opinion.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Picardo needs to think this through very carefully indeed.

    I suspect that the areas local to Gib want things to remain as they are otherwise there will be massive job losses that Gollum won't be able to replace.

    Given that the UK will leave I would have thought that Gib has everything to gain and very little to lose.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    “The Foreign Secretary, whose mandate expired three months ago, is still in post because the Spanish political parties have yet not come to an agreement of who will form a coalition Government.”

    ooh, stop! my stomach is hurting from laughing!

    I think Gib has nothing to fear from these clowns.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “Spain could take advantage of Brexit in order to close the frontier.”

    And create more unemployed Spanish workers?
    And don't think Catalonia has disappeared either...

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Bubba bout to welcome Gib to the cell.

    Yall done dropped a concrete block

    ..... best pick it up.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Or Espanya could assemble another Armada and take on the británicos.

    It worked so well for them in 1588.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tezza

    First threats from the frogs, now it's the dagos, all the more reason to get out of Europe...Poverty and debt ridden Spain ought to remember the income they get from millions of UK tourists if they try to walk over 30,000 British subjects in Gibraltar.

    Not to mention the threat they pose to some 10,000 Spanish jobs they put at risk, jobs which depend on Gibs prosperity.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Argentina has being bringing up the Falklands for years and to what avail ?
    Spain can try but so what. Short of military action there is nothing they can do.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Spain and Argentina: The Whimpering Nations, the Crybaby Countries.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jmackiej

    If Spanish government try anything there could be “consequences” for Spain indeed, and not in a nice way.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Britain could spark EU WAR: Juncker says UK could BREAK Brussels peace
    BRUSSELS chief Jean-Claude Juncker warned Britain could spark World War Three if it votes to leave the European Union (EU).

    Warned voters not to repeat the “enormous stupidity” of two world wars in the astonishing attack.
    Mr. Juncker warned “peace is never a sure thing” and appeared to mock David Cameron's EU deal saying the prime minister was grateful for his help in resolving his “self-induced problem”.

    Former soldier and UKIP defence spokesman Mike Hookem described the statement as ”stomach churning
    An insight into Mr. Juncker's mindset that he thinks fighting monsters like Hitler and the tyranny of fascism was 'enormously stupid' considering Germany started the bloody thing,

    We Fought the Spanish, We Fought the French, We Fought the Germans all these foreign powers tried to take our freedom, democracy and sovereignty! Like it or not we now fight for the same things against the EU, this is another battle we must win.


    Mar 05th, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • merlin

    As I have never been happy with the result of the hundred years war the UK will thus have a perfectly valid claim on Spain.
    We have an even better claim on Argentina,because we owned vast chunks of it before the Trollope Eva Peron illegally disposssed British ,legitimate,property owners.
    We would probably take Patagonia and combine it with Wales.
    It would keep the embarrassment of irresponsible socialism well offshore.

    Mar 05th, 2016 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    #9 the difference is that Gibraltar is very close to Spain and Spain control the land and sea borders where as the Falkland Islands might as well be a billion miles from Argentina and Argentina has already tried an economic blockade and failed miserably.

    Mar 06th, 2016 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    The overseas territories have a choice, as does Scotland. They can stay with us or leave . The tail should never be allowed to wag the dog.

    Mar 06th, 2016 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    ,EU to steal our coastline: Brussels to bring in new super-coastguard to overrule UK
    THE EU has drawn up plans to seize control of the British coastguard service as it creates a Europe-wide border force.

    Can you just imaging SPAIN patrolling British waters,
    And Gibraltar and the Falkland’s waters.

    Spain surely would love this, would she not…

    Mar 06th, 2016 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    ”Britain could spark EU WAR: Juncker says UK could BREAK Brussels peace
    BRUSSELS chief Jean-Claude Juncker warned Britain could spark World War Three if it votes to leave the European Union (EU).“

    ”EU to steal our coastline: Brussels to bring in new super-coastguard to overrule UK”

    Europe aren't doing a very good job to persuade the British Electorate to stay in the EU!
    1/- Junkers forgets that Britain alone stood against Hitler before the USA joined up in WW2-so that should tell him we aren't
    t that bad when we have to go it alone.

    2/-Taking more control over Britain is supposed to persuade us to vote to stay in?

    Is Juncker a closet Argie?

    Mar 06th, 2016 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    “Can you just imaging SPAIN patrolling British waters,
    And Gibraltar and the Falkland’s waters.”

    Can't. Doesn't have that many dinghies.

    Mar 06th, 2016 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    My first thought is bring up the question...with whom.

    The second is where does EU membership affect the treaty of Utrecht which ceded Gibraltar to Britain in the first place. The treaty was signed before the EU existed.
    Of course we could bring up the Spanish enclaves in Morocco.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Eddieposted

    Spain may control the land border, but the UK can easily control the sea and airspace around Gibraltar if required.
    And 10s of thousands of Spanish cross into Gibraltar every day begging for menial work so disruption to the border harms Spain more than Gibraltar.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sceptic64

    Lots of scare stories from both sides here.

    1/ Juncker's statement is ludicrous. To think that the UK leaving the EU could trigger a war somewhere in the future is irresponsible lunacy.

    2/ The concept of all UK forces coming under the EU is also ludicrous. The EU has only the posers that national govermnents cede to it and simply cannot “order” this to happen without Treaty change. But then, it's in the Express.

    This is the 'newspaper' that also reports that Margallo siad Spain would invade Gibraltar after a Brexit. He didn't: he said Spain would 'raise the issue' the next day.

    To the Brexiters: to think an EU exit would somehow be good for Gib is also risible.

    1/ Spain would - probably - close the border at some point
    2/ Spain would - probably - close airspace to Gib-bound flights at some point

    As to economic issues:

    1/ The Finance Sector here works within the EU in the same way the UK one does: “passporting” - whereby a licence to trade in the UK means EU-wide. These would cease and the UK would need to negotiate 27 bilateral replacements. This would hit the UK hard (it is a huge net inflow of money) as some nations - eg Germany - want the City of London out so they can take the market instead. It would hit Gib even harder.

    2/ The Gaming Industry would relocate. 60% of workers live in Spain and would not be able to relocate to Gib as there is no space. Nor would they want to live in a 'closed' city.

    The concept that the UK would then do things like block flights to, or trade with, Spain because of this is unlikely. It would not do something detrimental to 60 million for the sake of 30 thousand. We have seen that before.

    So in the case of a Brexit Gibraltar would remain British - that's not in doubt - but we'd have a serious economic crisis and GDP would plummet. We'd have to live with that.

    Still better than being Spanish.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I watched an interview with a Gov. spokesman who said that a unified coastguard system can only apply to signatories to the Schengen agreement. We did not sign so it cannot be applied to the UK.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    22 Clyde15 (#)

    It has been suggested the current Migration Crisis could lead to the end of the Schengen agreement.
    To some this seemed like the end of the whole EU.
    The idea that the Schengen agreement is appropriate in all circumstances was clearly folly.
    The Policial union that is the current EU is a far cry from the Trading Block that the EEC started out as.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    ,More threats,
    And these pricks are supposed to be our allies,
    Safer in Europe Cameron tells us, and all we have seen is threats threats and more threats,
    If we lose the out vote and we remain, those who voted to stay and who may have the most to lose, will rightly deserve everything they get.
    BREXIT THREAT: Spain will ‘take control of Gibraltar as soon as Britain leaves EU’

    SPANISH officials have sent a chilling warning to Britain after claiming they will take Gibraltar the day after Britain potentially exits the European Union.
    And the government’s pathetic response is nothing short of a joke,
    At the very lead in June Britain should conduct military exercises and have all 3 services in Gibraltar ready and waiting,
    But eye bet us wont,
    If Gibraltar votes to remain, hurting the leave campaign, because your government think you will be safer in Europe, one should again and again, read the threats from these same people that claim to offer you safety, yet are a bigger danger to Gibraltar now that they ever was.
    Just my opinion.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    21 - after brexit you pay at the gate. How much depends on your behavior.

    Any fishermen affected by any blocks will be reimbursed from the toll account, aka your wallet.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • merlin

    You are all getting overexcited.
    There is unlikely to be a Brexit.
    Even if there is it will not be in either the British or EU's interest but to do anything but come to some amicable arrangement.
    The EU is a young,and immensely brave and far sighted idea.
    But like all great ideas it must be given time to evolve and develop.
    In twenty years time it will have evolved and changed beyond recognition.
    An EU defence force,will,for instance,save almost unbelievable amounts of money and provide an almost infinitely better service.
    We may have to accept that it might not see protecting the remnants of European empire holdouts to be its first priority,and when,or if,it can be assured that the UN can get on with the job of protecting them it will cede them to UN protected status.
    The UN is far more in desperate need of major reform than the EU ever has been,is,or ever will be.
    The Falklands,Gibraltar,and all the others should have independence decreed and protected by UN charter.
    This may take time,we must be patient.
    In any generation there is only so much change possible,but future generations see things through different eyes.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Eddieposted

    “The EU is a young,and immensely brave and far sighted idea. But like all great ideas it must be given time to evolve and develop”
    The EU has had many years to evolve and develop but is now rapidly evolving for the worse and is about to self destruct.

    “The Falklands, Gibraltar,and all the others should have independence decreed and protected by UN charter”
    UN Resolution 1541 (XV) Principle VI provides 3 options for the self determination of a former colonial territory
    a) full independence,
    b) free association with an independent state,
    or c) full integration with an independent state,
    Referendums have shown that the Falkland Islanders and Gibraltarians have freely chosen option b) under their UN right of self determination as self governing overseas territories of the UK.
    The only practical solution for their defence from foreign invasion for the foreseeable future is the UK - not the UN or EU.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    “Falkland Islander” is not a UN recognized nationality. ^^

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • merlin

    But,whilst you are right,you only make my point.
    The UN needs to take on this responsibility,for it is very clearly their duty and responsibility.
    They may say they do not have the resources or even the mandate.
    This is why the UN needs radical reform so that it can do this.
    We must take a more radical and progressive view,we cannot have a world where,for instance,the Sovereignty of somewhere like the Falklands or any similar entity is protected by just one other Nation state (,not that there are very many of them anyway,in strict terms)
    The UN must guarantee their independence,and with the instantly deployable resources to ensure that nobody wishes to contest it.
    Otherwise the UN is a pointless organisation,which,sadly,it currently is.
    This is why it must be reformed,radically.
    If it wants resources to protect then it instructs,it does'nt ask.
    The UN may find it very useful,as Britain does,to maintain a training garrison on the Falklands,or it may think it would rather have one on mainline SA,say in Patagonia.
    Spain is conjoined geographically with France and Gibraltar,it's not asking for unity with France,so why might it want Gib,and what on earth for,its not exactly mineral or any other embedded asset rich,is it?
    Sooner or later everyone has to grow up,most of us managed most of it in our twenties,prapscearly thirties,so do places like Argentina,Spain,Most of the Balkans and even bits of the EC.
    There is no long or even medium term option,and I do not believe that even the most parochial of them do not really,honesty know this.
    So why not start now?
    North Korea,just to pick on one of the worst reprobates,may take a little longer to,as Sir Humphrey Appleby once memoraby observed in the context of Germany,successfully reapply for membership of the human race.

    Mar 07th, 2016 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @28 Vestige
    “Falkland Islander” is not a UN recognized nationality. ^^”

    It's recognised by the people who were born and who live on the Islands, that's all that matters=Self Determination and democracy in action.

    Suck it up.

    Mar 08th, 2016 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @28 “Falkland Islander” is not a UN recognized nationality. “

    ” Boludo argentino” is not a UN-recognised nationality either, but there are some 43 million of them squatting on the continent.

    Mar 08th, 2016 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sceptic64

    #24: That's the Express. It deliberately misleads with the headline because Margallo did not say that at all. Don't believe everything you read in the hysterical anti-EU press (such as the Mail or Express)

    #25: The fisherman (singular: there was only ever one affected) is being reimbursed out of Spanish state funds. Don't believe everything you read in the hysterical anti-Gibraltar press (such as La Razon or ABC)

    Mar 08th, 2016 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    30 - interesting concept. One wonders if it would equally apply to .... oh lets say .... Derry.

    Or the islamic republic of Bradfordistan.

    Mar 08th, 2016 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • merlin

    Well,Abraham Lincoln must have thought it would,for he said so.
    Just before his utterly illegal and immoral aggression towards The South who merely tokk him at his word because they imagined that that was what he meant.
    As it happens I really do not think that a world full of potty little priceling states achieves anything but pointless conflict over trivia and ridiculously excessive administration costs.

    Mar 08th, 2016 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    One wonders does one. Your elastic concepts have reached full stretch and the rubber band is about to snap.

    Mar 08th, 2016 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    35 - can't have it both ways anymore my Chagosian friend.

    sorry, those times are gone.


    Mar 09th, 2016 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Sorry, but you have lost me here. Your post is rather too enigmatic for me.
    I am not a Chagosian and I am not your friend.
    What times are gone ?
    I presume that you think that Londonderry should be allowed to secede from the UK. and join the Republic. At what level do you envisage this. Should the Protestant minority be allowed to secede from Derry and set up an enclave retaining their UK citizenship.
    Do we divide up the country at basic level and set up mini city states as in medieval times.
    Anyway your proposal has NO bearing on the situation in Gibraltar OR the Falklands.
    Both communities are perfectly content with their status quo.

    Mar 09th, 2016 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    It was an illustration of how self detetmination is not always applicable, nor the absolute end rule in all disputes.

    Self detetmination is not the holy of holys it is held up in these forums to be.

    If it was then you would indeed have the islamic republic of Bradford overnight - because self determination.

    Kelpites dont exist in UN documentation. Self determining either reverses this in all cases, including the republic of Derry and the caliphate of Bradfordistan, or not at all.

    In days of the empire you probably could have gotten away with choosing both options - yes for us, no for them, but being relatively unimportant in the 21st century such double standards are only normally possible for the likes of the US, Russia, China.

    I self determine this to be true.

    Mar 09th, 2016 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @38 Vestige.

    Secession isn't the same as decolonization. In the latter case, the right of self-determination is unquestioned. But don't take my word for it, ask the UN :

    ”The General Assembly,
    Recognizing that all available options for self-determination of the Territories are valid as long as they are in accordance with the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned and in conformity with the clearly defined principles contained in General Assembly resolutions 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, 1541 (XV) of 15 December 1960 and other resolutions of the Assembly,
    Convinced also that any negotiations to determine the status of a Territory must take place with the active involvement and participation of the people of that Territory, under the aegis of the United Nations, on a case-by-case basis, and that the views of the peoples of the Non-Self-Governing Territories in respect of their right to self-determination should be ascertained,
    1. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of the Territories to self determination, in conformity with the Charter of the United Nations and with General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV), containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples;

    2. Also reaffirms that, in the process of decolonization, there is no alternative to the principle of self-determination, which is also a fundamental human right, as recognized under the relevant human rights conventions; ”

    I'd say that's pretty clear, the more so since the UN has been voting this text every year since 2008, when a joint Spanish/Argentine attempt to qualify the right of self-determination in cases of territorial dispute was roundly defeated.

    But maybe you're in a different UN to the one we're in.

    Mar 09th, 2016 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @39 Now, now, mustn't destroy the Argie delusions.

    After all....

    ... it's all they have.

    Mar 09th, 2016 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Where do you get the idea that all the Muslims or even the majority in Bradford want an Islamic Republic ? Another of your fanciful daydreams ?

    Mar 09th, 2016 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    39 - “wishes of the peoples”. As per your own link.

    The Kelponians are not 'a people' my Chagosian friends.

    Back to the subject. If you don't like being part of Europe then stop whining and just vote to leave.

    Bet ye dinnie, ye bawbags.

    Mar 09th, 2016 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Eddieposted

    UN Resolution 2065 passed in 1965 specifically covers the Falkland Islandes and states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (“respect for the principle of self-determination”) and Resolution 1514 (XV) (“ALL peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”).
    The UN Secretary General has publicly declared that the Falkland Islanders have the right of self determination:
    18 May 2010— “The world’s 16 remaining territories that still do not fully govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status”, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told a forum on decolonization in New Caledonia today“
    UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said to the Argentine newspaper ”Tiempo Argentino“ on 12th November 2012.
    ”I don't think Security Council members” (ie the UK) “are violating relevant UN resolutions. The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions” (ie the Falkland Islanders) “should have access to certain levels of capacities so that they can decide on their own future.” .

    And the Britons who want to leave Europe will vote as such on the 23rd June.

    Mar 09th, 2016 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @42 Vestige

    Perhaps you could point out where exactly the UN has said the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands are not a people? Once you've found it, you might like to point it out to Argentina, since they are also claiming the Falklanders are Brits. Who are a people. Several, in fact.

    After that, you might care to explain why the UN keeps voting “there is no alternative to self-determination” if there actually is an alternative to self-determination?

    And to round it all off, I look forward to your explanation of why a “fundamental human right” is not applicable to the Falkland Islanders. Is it some kind of Untermenschen thing?

    Mar 09th, 2016 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Hoots mon.

    Its no on me te prove the non-existence o nessy.

    Its on yooo te prove the existence o nessy.

    I cannae see noo reference te falklanites, kelponians, squatraelis or any other fictional people in UN documents.

    Coming up on 6 years since Ban's personal opinions/suggestions.

    Seems it met some resistance, I wonder from where. Hmmm.

    44 - the fundamental human right is applicable to all people, including the various real nationalities on the isles. (Chileans, UK citizens, Filipinos and so on.)

    (how did that falklands passport attempt end by the way ??)

    Mar 10th, 2016 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    It's up to you to substantiate the arguments you're putting forward. It's an uphill task for you, I agree, what will all these pesky facts and things getting in the way of bile, dogma and wishful thinking, but at least you can't say you're being denied the opportunity.

    “I cannae see noo reference te falklanites, kelponians, squatraelis or any other fictional people in UN documents. ”

    Exactly. And that's exactly the proof that they are not singled out for exemption from “fundamental human rights” et al, such as latino supremacists like yourself would like to believe.

    As for the other nationalities on the islands, you evidently still need to familiarise yourself with the differences between secession and decolonization. The UN can help you with the latter, and perhaps for the former you can track down the Filipino Liberation Front of Port Stanley, or indeed any other resident minority group that is contesting the current political status of the Falkland Islands.

    And while we're at it, perhaps you could also explain why exactly Spain and Argentina attempted to limit the application of self-determination to Gibraltar and the Falklands in 2008, if the Falklands and Gibraltar didn't at that time enjoy self-determination?

    And following on from that, what does the definitive rejection of that attempt by the UN 4th Committee imply for Argentine UN mythology? For it seems to me that first of all Spain and Argentina implied recognition of the principle of self-determination in attempting to take it away, and then took an almighty pratfall when the proverbial whole world that supports you, etc, etc, etc, elected instead to piss on your chips by a large majority. And has kept doing that moreover, every year since.

    Quite the fiasco, in fact, but you can always pretend it never happened.

    Mar 10th, 2016 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Hmm being asked to prove the non-existence of something.
    Im sure ive seen this some place before.

    Rather than try hard, Ill just wait for someone to say falklanite, kelpoid, or whatever term is being used these days.
    Then ask who these fictional people are. Ill then ask for proof that such a people exists.
    Thus the assertion wont be mine. And the burden will be upon the misinformed party.

    Care to give it a try ?

    Say kelper for me.


    Mar 10th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @47 Vertige

    Ahem. The point here is to substantiate your claim that “The Kelponians are not 'a people' my Chagosian friends. ” (@42), with its concomimant implication that Falklander Islanders are not therefore entitled to self-determination. A typical racist Malvinista trope, in other words, endlessly repeated, though never yet substantiated.

    But here is your chance. And you are not being asked to prove the non-existence of anything. Quite the contrary. You are being asked to indicate the existence of any document, resolution, or judgement that defines who is a people and who is a non-people, that states the Falklander islanders are a non-people, that states they are not entitled to self-determination, or that overturns in some way the repeated UN vote that NSGTs without exception are entitled to self-determination, no quibbling about peoples, populations, no racist exceptions, and no two ways about it whatsoever.

    Any or all of these will do.

    Mar 10th, 2016 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Couldn't be more simple. Exchange some of your worthless currency for a return air ticket to the Falklands. Get off the plane and look at the people around Stanley, there is your proof.
    What's with the pseudo Scottish music hall verbiage. Has the addiction to drink addled your brain ?

    Mar 10th, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • merlin

    Oh,let's get back to basics.
    The pseudostate known as Argentina,which cannot be a Sovereign state because it is still bankrupt never has owned the Falklands and probably never will.
    If it thought it had a claim it would take it to the ICJ and we have all noticed that it doesn't want to do that.
    Instead it indulged in this warped piece of Boulian logic that says that because it doesn't think it should be British then,for reasons it has never made clear,it should be theirs.

    Mar 11th, 2016 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “Then ask who these fictional people are.”

    They define themselves as Falkland Islanders.

    And nowhere in UN literature does it say they do not exist.

    Mar 14th, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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