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Falklands/Malvinas not included in Obama/Macri agenda, says Malcorra
Argentine president Mauricio Macri will not bring up the issue of the Falkland/Malvinas Islands during his meetings with visiting president Barack Obama, much less request his mediation in the dispute, according to foreign minister Susana Malcorra. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules”Our position on the Falklands has not changed. The United States recognizes de facto U.K. administration of the Islands but takes no position on the question of parties’ sovereignty claims thereto. We support co-operation between U.K. and Argentina on practical matters“. - US State Dept.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Disappointing for the Trolls - runs contrary to what they insist.
And Argentina has pre-empted speculation of Malvinas propaganda being generated.
Everything as it should be.
How cute of Macri!
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Enrique
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us what you really think.
The US State Department or whatever their foreign affairs department is called won't stand for the standard Argentinean claim AFTER a meeting that a country fully supports Argentina.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US is on to them and obviously made clear up front that it wouldn't accept anything less that a reiteration of its policy.
I guess none of you cupcakes know what Hank Kissinger said about American friendship.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol.
Why should sovereignty of the Falkland Islands be of any concern either to Argentina or to the US at this time? The archipelago is a British Overseas Territory, and has been for at least three centuries.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0(6) Alejo
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong, lad...
The archipelago was named a “British Crown Colony” in 1841“.
In 1981 them Engrish Pirates renamed it ”British Dependent Territory“.
Since 2002 they renamed it again, again as a ”British Overseas Territory”.
Three different names... Same Colonial shiat....
Most Brutish Colonies have gone...
This one next...
Regards...
El Think.
There is no reason why such topic should be discussed. It is neither an Argentinian nor an American issue what he Brits do with those islands, as long as they don´t affect the neighbors.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the UN calls it a NSGT Think - with all the rights of all the NSGTs - self-determination.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, what's in a name?
:-)
7 Think (#)
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the people who control the Falkland islands have changed their designation in line with other similar possessions.
The people who live there have stated in a free fair and internationally & independently monitored referendum they wish to remain under British control.
So which part of self-determination, enshrined at the UN as the Trump card, does geographical proximity beat.
Tell us El Think why is it that Argy land still has yet to present a case to the ICJ?
It is as simple as there's nothing to discuss.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Think
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you f-----g stupid? Perhaps you don't understand!
The Falkland Island archipelago is currently a British Overseas Terriory and has been British for at least three centuries.
@12 “...has been British for at least three centuries....”
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And very likely to remain British for another three centuries if that is what the residents want. Long after Argentina has been dismantled and distributed to its galaxy of creditors after endless governments there have shown that the country is unable to minimally govern itself.
5 chronic
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“..In the Falklands crisis, Britain is reminding us all that certain basic principles, such as honour, justice, and patriotism, remain valid and must be sustained by more than words.”
From the Guardian archive, Friday 11 May 2012
http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2012/m...
#7
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A rose by any other name” ........it's still British and will remain so unless the Falklanders decide otherwise. It has been UK territory for about 3 centuries despite Argentina's spurious claims.
In the old adage...put up or shut up -it's Argentina's choice.
(12) Alejo
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was better, lad...
Nod need to lose your cool, though...
Correct semantics are important in life, history and jura...
Take for example the U.N. concept of “Self Determination of Peoples”...
What constitutes a “People”...?
Certainly not a bunch of Implanted British Squatters in the South Atlantic...
16 Think (#)
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact the UN do not distinguish the inhabitants (9 generations and counting) of the Falkland Islands any differently between a people or population.
Either name can be used and in both cases they have the right to self protection and self determination.
The illegal invasion in 1982 resulted in Argentina being issued with a BINDING UN resolution to remove all their military forces immediately.
Which Argy-land ignored.
All resolutions calling for dialogue or from the c24 are NON-BINDING.
And as Argy-land has added to it's constitution a claim on the Falkland islands there can be no dialogue/negotiation as your constitution does not allow for anything other than forced takeover.
(17) zathras
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your paragraphs 1, 2 & 3 are incorrect...
18 Think (#)
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_502
Glad you accept that paras 4 & 5 are correct:
C24 resolutions are non-binding and no negotiation possible due to Argy constitution.
Oi Voicy, Voicy, here boy! Where are you? I am back from my stroll up to Machu Picchu. The Argies mostly dropped out, they werent carrying their own stuff, they used porters - wimps.. Here boy! I brought you a bone… .
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your best buddy Mr Stink is posting his usual drivel, he needs support… .
Correction...
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My post (18) should read...:
Your paragraphs 1, 2 & 5 are incorrect...
Sorry for the inconvenience...
The UK is willing to negotiate the Sovereignty of Argentina with the Natives.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Italian Spaniards are merely colonial opportunists and shouldnt be considered
We are an island people. We collect Islands. We have lots and we support and defend them too as long as their populations wish us to. Soon, a Royal visit to St Helena via the new airport.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether paragraphs of long dead UN resolutions are correct or incorrect is inconsequential. Only Turnips care about such matters. It keeps them occupied and out of mischief. What a waste of ones life to constantly dwell on such trivia. But then they ARE just Turnips...thats as good as it gets.
@16 Think
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arrogant prat!
Hopefully the following will help aid the uninitiated and or uninformed in understanding Amercia foreign policy.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Left or right - tommorrow or yesterday - HAK's quotes are remarkable accurate in catching the essence of the US's relations:
“America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.”
and the priceless gem:
“To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”
Just ask the Shah or the Saudis or the Israelis or Mubarak or Giap . . . . .
The Falklands belong to the Falklanders and will remain so unless they wish to be independant
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands/Malvinas not included in Obama/Macri agenda, says Malcorra
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one gives a rats ass about that wind blown rock.
You guys are waaay down on the priority list.
Macri just has to mention the Falklands every now and again to keep the leftists nutters content here at home.
Stink has nothing to be arrogant about. He is merely an implanted squatter living in a failed state, and his powers of reasoning are feeble like his arguments. You can tell his Scotch background by his constant use of the term 'laddie', but he is so thick he doesnt realise this immediately gives him away… Skandinavian, pah… His sock puppet will be along in a moment because he has lost it once again and it wants its bone.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are well aware of the quality and extent of Americas 'friendship', its not an essential.
Obamy's domestic economic, foreign trade and terrorist containment policies coming under increased scrutiny and Dem/Rep presidential candidate rhetoric.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obamy, are you sure that you've contained isis? And we thought it embarassing when Bushy declared victory on the carrier.
lol.
Maybe he'll extend his tour de force/swan song.
@29 GOP Trolls and Trump Boosters
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obama is looking awesome, a true statesman and a gentleman with principles.
As if the GOP weren't contrasted enough as a bunch of tantrum prone petulant children...
Republican melt-down
Lol. Trudy & Obammy - two peas in a pod.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#7
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK ever gave up sovereignty it would be to the FIG to become independant and if Argentina thought that would give them a chance.
They would rapidly discover that the UK doesn't desert its friends.
Obarmy,
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its not in American interests full stop,
that's why he WILL come to the UK because it IS in American interest,
but hey,
do you want him , do you need him ?
I doubt it, and he wont be missed either.
Obamy & Trump have one commonality incredibly enough - a loathing of NATO.
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Think
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally, I'm rather fond of this Untermenschen argument -there is no better illustration of the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of Malvinismo than this idea that the population of the islands has somehow failed to rise to the same exalted status as the colonial settler population of colonial settler state Argentina.
But what's even more entertaining is that you don;t have to look very far to find even the UN squarely rejecting it. For example :
“The General Assembly ....
2. Also reaffirms that, in the process of decolonization, there is no
alternative to the principle of self-determination, which is also a fundamental human right, as recognized under the relevant human rights conventions; ”
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/63/108A-B
No Untermenschen stuff going on there, and all the more telling in that this text was passed in 2008 as an explicit rejection of an Argentine/Spanish attempt to limit the right of self-determination, and has been passed every year since.
And just in case that isn't explicit enough for you, try this;
“Plan of action for the Second International Decade for the
Eradication of Colonialism
I. Introduction
1. The ultimate goal of the Second International Decade for the Eradication of
Colonialism should be the full implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples through the exercise of the right to self-determination and independence by the populations of the remaining Non-Self Governing Territories, in accordance with all relevant resolutions and decisions of the General Assembly and with the principles contained in the Declaration.”
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/63/108A-B
That's “populations” as in “populations of the remaining Non-Self Governing Territories” and “ remaining Non-Self Governing Territories” as in “ remaining Non-Self Governing Territories”.
Better find another straw to clutch at, this one's bust.
Geeeeeeeee......
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again for the Anglo Turnips...
All the UN documents and resolutions about “Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” apply to the “Original indigenous Peoples” subjugated by the former Colonial Powers...
By clearly declaring the Malvinas/Falklands Issue a “Special Case” the UN has indicated that the Peoples Right of Self Determination does not apply to a bunch of Implanted British Citizens squatting on some wind swept South American Islands...
Capisce?
Shaddap you Argie twat! That is all totally irrelavent. Havent you got the message yet? You are really thick!
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islanders have been recognised as a 'people' by the UN since 1952 Think
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/self-determination-points-to-ponder1.pdf
And the UN has never declared the Falklands a “special case” Think - just another Argie myth.
Capisce? LOL
Perhaps Argentina will be return to its original inhabitants in the next 25 years,
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but then again criminals never admit stealing nothing.
@36 Think
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0> Capisce?
No.
But perhaps you're in a different UN from the one we're in? That would explain it.
(38) Mr. Lorton
Mar 23rd, 2016 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) When you want to prove a point, it is NOT very serious to link to a page written by oneself...
EVEN wen tha onesef is Engrish, I'm afraid...
The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Mar 24th, 2016 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were saying that two years ago twat!
Mar 24th, 2016 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 041 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Mar 24th, 2016 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's noted that you are unable to refute the contents of Mr. Lorton's link since they are accurately cited. Moreover, it has certainly put the kibosh to your assertions re: post #36. So you are left with merely an ad hominem response.
(38) Mr. Lorton
Mar 24th, 2016 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forgot to tell you in my previous post...:
The UN has indeed declared the Falklands a “special case”...
The fact that you happen to dislike the UN Special Committeee that has done so is, using one of your favourite words..., irrelevant.
45 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Mar 24th, 2016 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately the “UN Special Committee's” wording “special case” is legally irrelevant. As it is at the bottom of the totem pole, in that its opinions are surpassed by those of the 4th commitee and the relevant UNCA Resolutions. Even those opinions are subordinate to the international law of the UN Charter and rulings of the ICJ on the matter.
@46
Mar 24th, 2016 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0And as we've seen, that corrupt cabal of dictatorships, nutters, and colonial settler states of S America, is unable to carry a majority of the UN with it, although evidently the message has yet to penetrate the Argentine branch of the Flat Earth Society.
Indeed. Where is the link to the Falkland Islands being categorised by the UN as a “special case”.
Mar 24th, 2016 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that “peoples” are not defined in international law means that is is highly unlikely that Think could limit its meaning with any proof.
The UN treats the Falkland Islands the same as it treats all other NSGTs.
Think is just regurgitating tired old falsehoods in the time honoured tradition of Argentina that if you repeat lies long enough then people will start believing they're true.
But it's 2016 and the lies have not gained Argentina anything for decades anyway so they are certainly harmless.
Think - The Special Committee is not the UN and it would take a UN General Assembly Resolution to declare the Falklands a “Special Case.” There is no such Resolution. Do try to deal with facts, not fantasy Think.
Mar 24th, 2016 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another fact for you.
The sub-sub Committee of the UN known as the Special Committee (28 members) adopts every year a resolution on the Falklands. It then presents its work to the UN's Fourth Committee for adoption by the General Assembly (193 members). Every year the Special Committee recommends all its resolutions for adoption, but one.
The Special Committee is of no consequence Think, and no - the UN has NOT declared the falklands a “Special Case.”
Facts, old man - not fantasy
(49) Mr. Lorton
Mar 24th, 2016 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhh.... You and your eternal“small convenient omissions”...
“The Special Committee on Decolonization is not the UN”, you say...
“The UN Special Committee on Decolonization is not the UN” YOU MEAN?...
“The UN Special Committee on Decolonization is of no consequence”, you say...
The UN Special Committee on Decolonization is the ONLY UN instance working officially with the Malvinas/Falklands Issue...and they have declared it to be a “Special Case”, I say...
Facts, laddie - not fantasy...
Play with words as you will Think - there is no UN GA Resolution that says the Falklands are a “special case”
Mar 24th, 2016 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact old man, fact.
Roger, do remember that you are discussing irrelavancies with a brainwashed moron. If any of their facile assertions carried any weight at all they would have asserted them in court long ago. As it is they are stuffed. In addition to that since the Falklands referendum they have no moral case whatsoever, they remain irrelavent. They seem to be unable to accept these facts and thus remain pariahs.
Mar 24th, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obarmy will soon be gone,
Mar 24th, 2016 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the Falkland's will still be British,
Argentina can dream all it likes.
(51) Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee............ Mr. Lorton
Mar 24th, 2016 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I NEVER said it was any UN GA Resolution that says the Falklands are a “Special Case”, did I?
I ALWAYS have said that it is the UN Special Committee on Decolonization that has declared the Malvinas/Falklands Issue to be a “Special Case”, I say...
You London bobbies ain't very bright, huhhhh?
Luckyly for you Pickles was there in 66 to help you ;-)))
Fact laddie, fact...
A brainless twerp with no arguments… .yaaaaaawn..
Mar 24th, 2016 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here you go Think - enjoy!
Mar 24th, 2016 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35890670
Perhaps with your history swastikas would be appropriate? Jackboots? River Plate flight boarding passes? Whatdaya Think?
@54 Think
Mar 24th, 2016 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the UN you're in is different, but in ours the C24 isnt a decision-making body that can commit the organisaton as a whole. That would explain the rathrr perplexing phenomenon wheeby the UNGA keeps voting that in the process of decolonization there is no alternative to self-determination, while the action plan for the eradication of colonialism entertains no untermenschen nonsense regarding peoples and populations. Anybody might think in fact, that the UN doesn't support Argentina at all
@50 Think
Mar 24th, 2016 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody, except perhaps Argentina, takes any notice of the UN Special Committee on Decolonisation because of its lack of capacity to achieve anything.
Why, for example, do its executives continuously deny invitations from the Falkland Islands to visit the territory? It is also curious that the current chairman and his vice chairmen are from those eminently prosperous, peaceful and influential nations (Bolivarian Republic of) VENEZUELA, CUBA, INDONESIA and SIERRA LEONE!
And, as I said Think, the Special Committee on Decolonization is of no relevance. It does not represent the UN.
Mar 24th, 2016 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And until a GA resolutions says that the Falklands are a “Special Case” - they ain't.
Fact - you old first generation Argie you :-)
Think is a special case.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Old clutching-at-straws Think.
Or should it be lying Think.
You have my scorn, Think.
”Our position on the Falklands has not changed. The United States recognizes de facto U.K. administration of the Islands but takes no position on the question of parties’ sovereignty claims thereto. We support co-operation between U.K. and Argentina on practical matters“.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0So much for the Malvina nazi's oft quoted claim the “Obama wants his poodle out of the Falklands.”
Another Argentine lie.
(59) Mr. Lorton
Mar 25th, 2016 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UN Special Committee on Decolonization is of no relevance.”, you say...
I say...:
Maybe not for you...
But the creation and financing of a dedicated UN Special Committee on Decolonization, composed of representants of 24 member states..., by the United Nations clearly indicates that they are most relevant for the aforementioned United Nations...
“The UN Special Committee on Decolonization does not represent the UN.”, you say further...
I say...:
Of course it “represents” the UN...
They are an integral part of the UN system, laddie....
(60) Isolde
You are “Special” for me too..., dahling...
The list of member states of the UN Special Committee on Decolonization makes sad reading.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/members.shtml
With, of course, very few exceptions which “thinking” nation would accept dictates from this sorry bunch of misfits?
Dream on Think
Mar 25th, 2016 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN Special Committee that you are in awe of has not recommended its Falklands Resolution for adoption by the General Assembly in 27 years.
So no - it does not represent the UN.
Alzheimer's starting to catch up with you old man?
Facts
Is anyone following this thread able to tell us exactly what this UN Special Committee has actually achieved? Other than spouting a lot of meaningless hot air?
Mar 25th, 2016 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo Turnip at (63)
Mar 25th, 2016 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure....
Let's first reduce that huge “Decolonization Committee of 24” to a more manageable size..., let's say,... 14 members...
Lets then appoint the new 14 Decolonizators based on their merits, qualifications and experience for that job...
I suggest, in order of Brutishness...:
1) Great Britain
2) Belgium
3) Spain
4) Japan
5) France
6) Turkey
7) Holland
8) Portugal
9) Germany
10) Russia
11) Italy
12) Austria
13) United States
14) Denmark
With, of course, very few exceptions which “Thinking” Nation would accept decolonization dictates from this sorry bunch of #@☆⊙♤~¥ % ???
It's not just Roger Lorton that thinks the C24 is of no relevance. Former Chairman Diego Morejón Pazmiño thought exactly the same thing :
Mar 25th, 2016 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And when the issue refers to sovereignty, the Decolonization Committee has nothing to do or even suggest. ”
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/03/04/c24-president-insists-falklands-dispute-is-over-sovereignty-not-self-determination
Even this isn't quite the whole truth. The colonial settler states that dominate the C24 have actively attempted to misrepresent the Falklands as a special case of decolonization, but failed badly when the 4th Committee rejected their attempt to limit the right of self-determination. Since then, UN has frequently and repeatedly RE-affirmed that “there is no alternative to self-determination” in cases of decolonzation.
Not of course that a colonial settler state demanding an alleged colonial inheritance of 200 years ago could ever be said to amount to decolonization in the first place.
And yet the myth of UN support for Argentina persists, despite the fact that Argentina has itself violated every relevant and specific UN resolution on the Falklands, before the war it started, during the war it started, and after the war it started.
Go figure.
C24 should be scrapped,
Mar 25th, 2016 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but what has this to do with obarmy,
unless the C24 thinks Obama is a special case..
Argentina only has 2 international interests, so if Obama will not endorse their delusional Falklands claim it is only fair that he shows some respect by backing them to win the next World Cup.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-All the UN documents and resolutions about “Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” apply to the “Original indigenous Peoples” subjugated by the former Colonial Powers...
Mar 25th, 2016 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unthinking @ 36
I challenge you to show in any document or resolution where it says they apply only to “Original indigenous peoples”
The C24 is a subsidiary organ of the UN. Subsidiary organs issue draft resolutions, not resolutions. Draft resolutions have to be considered by the GA, which can reject them, or approve them changed or unchanged, for them to become resolutions. The 'special case' thing is in a draft resolution, which has never even been presented for consideration by the GA.
@66 Think
Mar 25th, 2016 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¿Anglo turnip? ¿Nabo Inglés? ¿Quien? ¿Yo?
You seem to get everything wrong!
Argentinean Turnip then...
Mar 25th, 2016 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No big difference...
-All the UN documents and resolutions about “Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” apply to the “Original indigenous Peoples” subjugated by the former Colonial Powers...
Mar 25th, 2016 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unthinking @ 36
I challenge you to show in any document or resolution where it says they apply only to “Original indigenous peoples”
The C24 is a subsidiary organ of the UN. Subsidiary organs issue draft resolutions, not resolutions. Draft resolutions have to be considered by the GA, which can reject them, or approve them changed or unchanged, for them to become resolutions. The 'special case' thing is in a draft resolution, which has never even been presented for consideration by the GA.
Geeeeeeeeee, Mr. dab4763
Mar 25th, 2016 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem desperate for me to accept your “challenge...
Well...
Somethings in life go without saying, laddie...
For example... the fact that the UN documents and resolutions about “Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” apply to the “Original indigenous Peoples”, subjugated by the former Colonial Powers and NOT to the settlers and citizens of the aforementioned Colonial Powers...
In the case of the Malvinas/Falklands Islands..., were it doesn't exist any ”Subjugated Original Indigenous People“ but only some implanted full British Citizens..., the Pertinent Subsidiary Organ of the United Nations in charge of Decolonization has taken the right decision and declared it a ”Special Case”...
Clear and simple...
Again, where does it say they apply only to “original indigenous peoples”? The reason I ask is that some of the territories that are or were on the UN's list do not have “original indigenous peoples”. Some never had them as they were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next question is where does it say the rights mentioned in those documents only apply to subjugated peoples?
Since you haven't worked it out. Subsidiary organs of the UN do not have the authority to make decisions on behalf of the UN.
Also, why does the UNGA keep voting “there is no alternative” to self-determination, if there is an alternative?:
Mar 25th, 2016 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why in 2008 did the 4th Committee rejectva Spanish /Argentine attempt to restrict the right of self-determination(?
And why, in 2008 were Spain and Argentina attempting to restrict the right of self-determination, if Gibraltar and the Falklands didn't already enjoy it?
Stop trolling Think.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The boys have defeated you at every turn.
You have no case & you know it.
Furthermore you will never get your thieving hands on the Falklands which have NEVER belonged to you.
lf you & the rest of you silly malvinistas used up your energy (that you spend telling lies about the Falklands) on bettering your own country, you might achieve something worthwhile.
You're flogging a dead horse, Think.
(75) Mr. dab14763
Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask...:
“Where does it say the rights mentioned in those documents only apply to subjugated peoples?”
I say...:
In the prefix “DE” in “Decolonization Committee ”....
The subjugating peoples have had their saying for hundreds of years in numerous Colonization Committees..., laddie.
You ask further...:
“The reason I ask is that some of the territories that are or were on the UN's list do not have “original indigenous peoples”. Some never had them as they were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans.”
I say...:
In such cases, in the absence of any ***Soverignty Dispute***, the current population of such Territory should be free to democratically choose which way they want to go...
Más claro...? Echale agua, Ché...
Lol, it's not just that there is no evidence for think%s assertions, the evidence that does exist is diametrically opposed.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Further evidence, if any were needed, that Malvinismo is a matter of faith and dogma, rather than facts and reason.
The point of the C24 is to help subjugated peoples exercise rights available to all peoples, not that only subjugated peoples have those rights.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The logic of your argument is they have rights while they're subjugated, but don't have them when they stop being subjugated.
And tough shit on that sovereignty dispute thing. That was thrown out in 2008.
(77) Chère Isolde
Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't flogged a horse, dead or alive, for ages dahling...
That's something Brutish people do...
And the elephant in the room remains ........................... why doesn't the C24, which hosts such a lot of noise during the Falklands' debate, recommend its own resolution to the GA? For 27 years.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds to me like the Argentine people are being conned by their own Government.
@82 ”Sounds to me like the Argentine people are being conned by their own Government.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-- And your point would be...?
Think defeated regardless how he approaches his farcical premise.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@81
Mar 26th, 2016 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not just flogging a dead horse, it's a pantomime horse, and you shot it yourselves..
You're pretty brutish, Think.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You want to throw people out of their homes & country.
The country that they have a legitimate right to.
And you want to do this just to satisfy some obscure anti-British event.
An event that you won't even relate.
You are a supreme turnip old Think.
NO, the Supreme Turnip.
And bitter & twisted.
lt goes deeper than Argentina, doesn't it Think?
#74
Mar 26th, 2016 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think: “I say...:In such cases, in the absence of any ***Soverignty Dispute***, the current population of such Territory should be free to democratically choose which way they want to go...”
Well that sorts that out then. All Argentina has to do is take the UK to court and when the UK says the inhabitants of a NSGT should have self determination, Argentina can come back with that point of law. The case should be over within 24 hours.
Oh except that still doesn't answer why Argentina should have sovereignty of the territory against the wishes of both the current governing power as recognised by the UN AND the local people.
@78 Think
Mar 26th, 2016 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say “I say...: In such cases, in the absence of any ***Soverignty Dispute***, the current population of such Territory should be free to democratically choose which way they want to go...”
Let's clarify this statement, shall we? This is what you believe it should be, ¿no cierto? As a matter of fact NOWHERE does any documentation actually say this NOR is it suggested anywhere! (Except in your dreams, nabo número uno!)
@87
Mar 26th, 2016 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Already in 2008 they tried to get the UN to qualify the right of self-determination in cases of sovereignity dispute. They lost the vote by a large margin, and every year since the
“.. General Assembly ....
2. Also reaffirms that, in the process of decolonization, there is no
alternative to the principle of self-determination, which is also a fundamental human right, as recognized under the relevant human rights conventions; ”
Apparently if you're a Malvinista “there is no alternative” really means “there is an alternative”, but if you're not a member of the cult it's rather hard to see how that works.
To all them Anglo & Argie Turnips, Mr. Lorton, Chėre Isolde and the rest...
Mar 26th, 2016 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I Think that you lads and lasses should relax a bit and stop being so bothered by the simple truths coming to you from this gentle and humble old Patagonian and invest meager U$ 13 in some much needed information and education...
http://www.eudeba.com.ar/9789502325286/Las+Malvinas+entre+el+derecho+y+la+historia/
Felices Pascuas desde Chubut...
El Think...
#90
Mar 26th, 2016 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I looked up this site and being in Spanish, I gave up. However, two posts were made by people who had read it - comments below.
I think that is all that needs to be said
this man is so brainwashed/blinded by the mythical mystical malvinas that is today's argentina..
QUOTE:-
He really needs to visit planet earth..
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If previous works and efforts are anything to go by..
Harry Potter might have a rival..
Bahahahaha more pointless waffle from the sage plant of Chubut (allegedly), now residing in Dunoon and a regular at MacGregors Fish Bar. I'm back from Peru Voicey Voicey, here boy, come and get your bone… Its amazing how some Turnips will pursue a lost cause in the face of all odds. But then the human race does have a tiny scattering of morons.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0(91) Clyde15
Mar 26th, 2016 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You gave up because of the “Foreign Language” huhhhhhhh???
Well... That's one of the hurdles of invading foreign Countries...,laddie.
But don't worry, the excellent academic team behind these 300 pages is aware of the Anglo monolinguals needs and a translation is in the pipeline...
You are not alone though... The Honourable Mike Summers OBE, MLA. from the Malvinas Islands has already requested an Engrish exemplar...
By the way..., I can assure that Mr. Deanstreet has NOT read that book...
He barely reads Engrish and he's kind of our own Conqueror, if you catch me drift...
Think, Deanstreet has got you beat laddie, the docs are in your own archives. Anyway its all pointless. I can't understand why you waste your breath. It hasn't and won't get you any further forward. Lets face it you ar a total failure.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 090 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Mar 26th, 2016 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kohen is a sophist of the worst kind as he continually makes assertions without the backing of legal judgements, simply his own personal opinion, which legally makes such claims worthless.
For example in the publication Página12 dated Tuesday, March 5, 2013 he writes “This is a plebiscite organized by the British government”. Which is a deliberate lie as many independent publications and witnesses have attested, it was organized by the F.I. government. Then he attempts to discredit the referendum by implying that there is a prerequisite for the UN to be involved, where no such requirement in The Charter et al. Then he states there are categories of people under international law who are entitled to self-determination, citing the UNGA as his source. With very few exceptions the GA resolutions are not international law, merely advisements.
It would seem that Sr. Kohen's blandishments have more too do with his continued employment by the Argentine government than with the reality of international law.
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-21 ...
Incidentally Dean Street can run rings around a turkey like you.
I see that the Rolling Stones totally ignored VoiceofThinks Papal directive and played a free concert in Havana. Normal young folk came and the Communist/Catholic nutters were ignored. Its the beginning of an idealogical meltdown in Central and South America. And now with Macri firmly in place the evil empire is crumbling from both ends. Only the Turnips are grimly hanging on.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90 Think
Mar 26th, 2016 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can fairy stories, myths, lies and totally erroneous interpretations of historic events be refuted ? Why Argentina even presents the Bulas of Pope Alexander VI(The Borja Pope) as part of its nonsensical claim to sovereignty of the Falklands Archipelago. (The bulls issued by Pope Alexander VI: Eximiae devotionis (3 May 1493), Inter Caetera (4 May 1493) and Dudum Siquidem (23 September 1493), granted rights to Spain with respect to the newly discovered lands in the Americas) when he had no authority to do this)
Interesting article in El Diario de Hoy, El Salvador today 26/3/2016
Mar 26th, 2016 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.elsalvador.com/articulo/nacional/nuevos-vientos-soplan-sur-del-continente-105703
#93
Mar 26th, 2016 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You gave up because of the “Foreign Language” huhhhhhhh???
Not because it was a foreign language BUT BECAUSE IT WAS IN SPANISH.
You make an arrogant assumption that if one does not read Spanish then one is monolingual. I can read read French quite well thank you and some German.
Any Spanish has been acquired from phrase books and courses on DVD's, likewise Greek.
I could not read Spanish fluently enough to to pick up nuances in phrases or current idiomatic usage and neither can you in English/Scots.
For example your use of the word laddie. This has a pejorative meaning.
In current usage it infers a condescending superiority on the person using the term. Being a diminutive form it may be used on children by parents or close friends. Using it on adults is insulting and has an aggressive feel about it.
However.you probably know this already.
When we “invaded ”the Falklands in the time of Moses there were no Spanish speakers among the penguin population. They conversed in penguinese which really was of limited use to the predominant world power so we left them to their own devices.
Well,
Mar 26th, 2016 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if Spain had took the place of the brits,
then half the world would now be Spanish speaking,
And what a mess it would be in.
but then, the brits , Australians , new Zealanders and the Americans and Canadians aint doing that bad .
mmmmmmmmmmm
(99) Clyde15
Mar 26th, 2016 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sooo, your excuse is not ignorance but laziness, callant...
No sweat.... Just remember to buy the book when translated...
101 Why would anyone in their right mind buy any book packed with lies and falsehoods? You really are sooo brainwashed and totally thick to boot. In addition, nothing will change except perhaps that the Falkland Islands will become even more prosperous, Wish away Stink… Loser
Mar 26th, 2016 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid lying book, not worth the paper its printed on.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ln a way, l'm glad that Think posts his nonsense……
lt ensures that we don't get too complacent & we keep our defences up.
lts also a giggle, reading his ridiculous replies.
Think - there are copies of that work of fiction by Kohen in the UK and one awaits my arrival, although I suspect that it will have been ripped apart long before I can get there.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct that there is no copy in the Falklands, despite Kohen splashing his cash on an advert in the Penguin News.
Kohen now claims that a whole POPULATION of Argies was forcibly ejected from the Islands in 1833. Apparently, any more than 2 is a population. Reasoning he later rejects for recognising the Falklanders as a population.
Kohen was asking on Twitter what nationality that population was when ejected in 1833 but went quiet when I pointed out that there were 2 settlements. One a mix of nationalities with British approval, and the other - mostly criminals from the UP - were trespassers.
I'm looking forward to reviewing that book.
#101
Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Laziness ? There are only 24 hours in a day. Why should I allocate this to learning a language I will hardly ever use. If I went to Spain to live, then I would learn the language, similarly with any other country.
I have other more pressing uses for my time.
As to buying the book, I gave up reading fairy stories when my children grew past that stage.
I see you have substituted callant for laddie. Again your terminology is inaccurate. At 74 I can hardly be called a youth and the word has almost disappeared in use except in the Scottish borders.
(104) Mr. Lorton
Mar 27th, 2016 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Assuming your Spanish to be as good as your Thai...
Who's tranlating the book for your review...?
Mr. Pascoe...? No way...
Mr. Pepper...? I don 't think so...
Mr. Pitaluga...? Wouldn't recommend it...
Anyhow..., do yourself a service and DO NOT even consider using the translation services of MercoPress...
You know what I mean...?
;-)))
(105) Clyde15
74!
You are almost inbhidh..., junior...
;-)
Think = a constantly smarting serial loser, a sickness. Fortunately it doesnt afflict the Anglosphere. Sniffed any crutches lately?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#106
Mar 27th, 2016 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nearly there. Some would say an old codger and who am I to disagree.
You seem to have an over interest in the Scots tongue for a self proclaimed Scando-Argentinian.. Why is this? Of course you could be ..................
@106 Think
Mar 27th, 2016 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you just another version of paulcedron? Your arguments are just as juvenile as his!
@108 Clyde
Mar 27th, 2016 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, we all remember that Think was caught out as the operator of “DoveOverDover”, the English-hating, racist, “Scottish” malcontent.
DoD exposed, the persona was retired, replaced with the contrived 'anonymous' A_Voice, a “Scottish” curmudgeon. A 'proud Scotsman' who nonetheless refuses to acknowledge the Scottish fallen of WWII or the Falklands, on Remembrance Day.
(108) Clyde15
Mar 27th, 2016 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I could be.............................. El Think...
Nothing strange about a Patagonian gentleman angler liking Alba, callan...
104
Mar 27th, 2016 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where in the UK....?
Which supplier...I can't find it, tried quoting the title and tried the ISBN no. no joy and would like a nosey...
Got any interesting tidbits from the book Mr. Think...?
Whet my appetite, so to speak...
@112 Horse's ass
Mar 27th, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it panto season again??
Always fun to catch your act, ThinkVoice
You've read it already, remember??
(112) Mr. Voice
Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really know how to destroy our credibility, lad :-))))))))))))))))))
You could buy the book from the link I provided at (90), as the F.I.A. did...
The postage to Europe is a bit dire though..., 45 U$D I reckon...
Lots of good researched stuff in it that completely destroys most of Pascoe & Pepper's Pamphlet...
But,..., If I was in your shoes..., I would wait for the Engrish translation...
Regards
El Think...
Have you seen Voicys photo? I really believed Neanderthals were extinct. Apparently not!
Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're just so full of it, Think.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know that you have no valid case, so you just try to muddy the waters.
We are NOT going away, so just get used to it.
Pathetic sounds from you.
Think - First - Happy Easter old friend.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly- Earlier you implied that Arg was not in default of a Mandatory UN Security Council Resolution from April 1982 requesting Aerg to withdraw its military forces from the Islands.
Care to confirm then that Arg thus does NOT recognise the decision making power of the UN Security Council?
Thirdly- my family are 7 generations born in the Islands and my ancestors came here of their own free will. They neither forces anyone off any land - nor exterminated anyone who was here before them
Do please explain - how does that make me an implant?
Could you enlighten us as to how many generations your family has been living in Patagonia/Argentina?
Could you also please enlighten us as to what was done to the majority of the native indigenous peoples of that land - and WHO did it in the mid 1800s?
(117) Islander1
Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Think - First - Happy Easter old friend.”
I say...:
Felices Pascuas to you too... but... where did thay “Old Friend” come from...?
You say that I...:
“Iimplied that Arg was not in default of a Mandatory UN Security Council Resolution from April 1982 requesting... etc, etc, etc...”
I say...:
You must be referring to my post (18)....
Please see my post (21) where I corrected that typing mistake...
You say further...:
“My family are 7 generations born in the Islands and my ancestors ............... how does that make me an implant?”
I say...:
We have had this discussion before..., Remember?
“Total allegiance with a Northern Hemisphere Colonial Power”... “British Citizenship”... “Base and excuse for Great Britain to keep usurping 12,000,000 km2 of South Atlantic /Antarctic territory” etc., etc., etc...
Then you ask...:
Could you enlighten us as to how many generations your family has been living in Patagonia/Argentina?
I repeat...:
I am a first generation Argentinean... (Anglos please take note that, contrary to your customs, to be first generation is not considered a baaaaad thing in Argentina.)
And finaly, the old indigenous extermination argument...
Look Laddie...
I'm Argy...
You are British...
Do you REALLY want an Abo body count...?
Servus
El Think
Haha thanks Think for proving you are a total moron. Are you also a Neanderthal - figures.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, hope you haven't wasted your pension on that book.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've just caught out Mr. Kohen for changing words to change the implication in a document. I believe it's known as viveza criolla. Or fraud.
And I haven't even got the book yet.
Must be true though - as it was said Mr. Kohen who posted the fraudulent post on Twitter.
Looking forward to finding out what other cunning stunts he's pulled :-)
117 Islander1 (#)
Mar 27th, 2016 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good post!
The Argentine masses typically suffer from two major reality perception problems.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 01. A belief that someday they will get their hands on the Falkland Islands
2. The belief that they are as smart and cute as their mothers said they were.
Yet another nail in the British colonial coffin...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.politicargentina.com/notas/201603/12718-por-un-fallo-de-la-onu-la-argentina-extendera-su-plataforma-maritima.html
English, Think!!
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0remember, you are a barely tolerated guest here.
TWIMC
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I THINK, MercoPress will translate this article pretty soon...
http://www.politicargentina.com/notas/201603/12718-por-un-fallo-de-la-onu-la-argentina-extendera-su-plataforma-maritima.html
Chuckle chuckle...
@125
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0What time is it in St Petersburg, er... Petrograd?
Do you celebrate Easter there, now?
TWIMC
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hereby a quick translation and some links to the good news from the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS)...:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110848633
Think 123 and 125
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rules of procedure of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS)
Annex I
Paragraph 5:
5. (a) In cases where a land or maritime dispute exists, the Commission
shall not consider and qualify a submission made by any of the States concerned in the dispute. However, the Commission may consider one or more submissions in the areas under dispute with prior consent given by all States that are parties to such a dispute.
(b) The submissions made before the Commission and the recommendations
approved by the Commission thereon shall not prejudice the position of States
which are parties to a land or maritime dispute.
(128) dab14763
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I said a nail in the coffin.... not a stake in the Colonial Vampire's chest....
Chuckle chuckle...
The Comission can only make decisions on areas that are not in dispute. So you have gained nothing regarding your claim.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0123 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Sessions of the Commission
The Commission ordinarily meets twice a year, in the spring and fall, at United Nations Headquarters in New York. The convening of these sessions and services to be provided are subject to approval by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its annual resolutions on oceans and the law of the sea.”
http://www.un.org/depts/los/clcs_new/commission_purpose.htm#Purpose
So we have yet another UN body thats rulings carry no legal weight, since it is reliant on approval of the UNGA, which in turn is not a competent legal body. So it appears to be just another case of a meaningless exercise.
Think:
Mar 28th, 2016 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have both been on here long enough for me to call you an old friend here - doesn't mean I agree with your side of the argument. But I do respect the right of people to differ at times.
We have quite a few 1st Generation Islanders as well - nowadays a lot of them are of a NON-BRITISH origen - yet it may have surprised some which way those of them who were on the electoral role voted in the referendum a couple of years ago.
Sorry to correct you- but not all of us are fully British Nationals as regards passports the new Islanders are NOT all fully British - they have no right of entry into the UK to live etc - they are “British Overseas Citizens” - They have the right of abode as a British citizen and the protection of Great Britain -to reside in the Falkland Islands - not the UK.
Yes - I do have a full Br Passport - but believe you me - I am first -second and third - A Falkland Islander - and proud of it. My little country is under continual colonial take-0ver threat by a large neighbour and to small to be Independent - so we need to belong to a bigger someone- because of our background and heritage a I am also pleased and proud to call myself British as well. So yes HM QE2 is my Queen and Head of Sate - just as she is also to several millions of Canadians-Australians-New Zealanders etc etc and they would be somewhat pissed off if you tried to tell them they are therefore British!
Sorry you dodge the issue of who came to an empty territory - and who instead brutally forced the indigenous people out of theirs.
You have acquired the Arg trait of dodging difficult realities.
ps- actually I can thank your nation for me now having a full Br Passport - pre 1982 I had just an overseas one with no right to live in the UK- your nation,s stupidity in 1982 won me a full Br and EU Passport!
“new Islanders are NOT all fully British - they have no right of entry into the UK to live etc - they are “British Overseas Citizens” - They have the right of abode as a British citizen and the protection of Great Britain -to reside in the Falkland Islands - not the UK.”
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islander1,
“British Overseas Territories Citizens” not “British Overseas Citizens”, which is a different category. Citizenship at birth in a BOT means both full British Citizenship and BOTC. It's those who are naturalised on the basis of residence in a BOT who would be BOTCs but not BCs. But those BOTCs can put in a request to have their citizenship status changed to BC, decision under the discretion of the Home Secretary.
Right of abode in a BOT is based on having Status: Falkland Island's Status, Bermuda Status, Gibraltar Status, etc, not BOTC or BC, or any category of citizenship
(132) Islander1
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhhhh....., I see...
You call me “Old Friend” as I call you “Lad”....
A manner of speaking so to say...
Kind of Chère Isolde calling me her “Dahling” all the time...
Well, that's OK with me..., “Old Friend....”
You argue that...:
”- nowadays a lot of them (Squatters in Malvinas n.a.) are of a NON-BRITISH origen - yet it may have surprised some which way those of them who were on the electoral role voted in the referendum a couple of years ago.”
I say...:
Well...
It certainly didn't surprise me at all... nor anybody I know....
Let me tell you a parochiaL story from the West...
There is a little town to my North of about 3,000 souls....
There we have an Engrish Joe (owner of Tottenham Hotspurs and Glasgow Rangers, I Think).... who bought some land..., builded a less humble shed than mine and..., against Argie law & Constitution..., closed the public access to a very nice lake...
http://www.rionegro.com.ar/diario/funciones/binario/imagen.aspx?idart=7883077&idcat=9574&idcon=6213659&resolucion=0&tipo=2
That Engrish Joe's local entourage amounts to about 50 people...
Now...
Do you THINK that if we had a referendum in that little town about reopening the access and there were 50 votes against..... that it would be difficult to identify those who voted negatively???
Same thing in Malvinas...
Which sane Non Kelper person in them windblown Islands would have risked their base of existence and guaranteed social ostracism in such a closed community ???
Ps...
I didn't dodge no question....
Do you Brit really want an Indigenous Genocide Body Count against an Argie?
Geeeeee......
The Brutish Raj did kill more natives in ONE of their many induced famines in India than the Spanish Empire murdered in their 350 years of American Colonialism....
All verifiable historical facts.... “Old Friend...”
Think,
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt any on here would claim that UK was totally innocent in the days of the Empire - it was a different era and different rules applied then that do today- but at least the UK admits it!
And more importantly we are not talking about the wrongs of the Spanish and British Imperials - we are in Patagonia talking about what ARGENTINES did - to their fellow citizens - and to my knowledge have never admitted was wrong- instead monuments and places were named after the lead assasins.
Referendum - do then please tell me why we had a 92% electoral turnout? - Voting here is not compulsory. If as you suggest quite a few might have not wanted to vote the way they did - they could have simply not voted - or defaced their ballot paper.
Secondly the presence of the international monitoring group ensured that voting slips could not be traced or linked to a voter - even if some had wanted to try to later. There was no witch hunt looking for the 3 votes for “Something Else”
So we can be happy with the following:
Falklands- empty land settled by folks who thus evicted no natural indigenous peoples.
Can be argued pre 1833 which European power did or did not have the better claim according to which side you are on - same as large areas of the world in that era- he who had the bigger musket usually ruled the day.
Today the world has moved on and a different set of rules apply- the rights of peoples who live in a territory-island-country - call it whatever you like- to democratically determine their own future in said place.
As per the UN Charter.
As freely determined in the recent referendum held here - holding of and organising of that was fully approved as democratic and free by a group of supervising international Parliamentarians from a range of nations- including those from Mexic0-Chile-Brazil and Uruguay in South America,
(135) Old friend...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I THINK, you should stop your pathetic misuse of the plight of this world's Indigenous Peoples to satisfy the ambitions and greed of the sad remains of the former British Empire ...
About your “Referendum” in Malvinas...
Who do you think you are fooling?
In a close society as Malvinas..., ANY behaivour deviant from meeting at the ballot place on the day and cheering wildly after the guaranteed landslide result would have been duly registered.... and punished....
Each and every Non Kelper on the Islands knows the rules of the game...
As a matter of fact, I suspect that those three negative votes were casted by the most cunning of your politicians that didn't want to show the World a “Sadamm Hussein type of Victory”... where 101% of the population voted for him...
@136 What undisguised rubbish. And from someone who has never even been close to the islands.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a slimy example of shit for brains from Argentina. No wonder it remains tetering on the brink of the third world! Still home to the worlds biggest dinosaurs :-) with no understanding of how democracy works.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(135) Islander1
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rest assured that my trusted Malvinas friend; Mr. Jhonny R. and I can easily see through all that Pom smokescreen...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4333677360_8145880297_o.jpg
Think- wrong again I suspect. There are several here who aspire that one day the Islands will be a small but Independent member of the British Commonwealth - me also - but like most I realise that day is most likely a generation or two down the line yet for practical and security reasons!
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is quite liklely that those 3 voters were thinking that way. Who knows - and who really bothers. Nobody here.
Not all were there on the town front that night by far - and they were not hounded out because of it. Nor was there ever and hunt to find the 3! Sorry old chap.
Glad then that you accept the atrocity of what Argentinians did to the rightfull people of Patagonia in the 1850s and 60s.
@140 “Glad then that you accept the atrocity of what Argentinians did to the rightfull people of Patagonia in the 1850s and 60s.”
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those atrocities continued well into the 20th century to a degree unrivaled in the rest of the Americas. Just look at what the implanted population of Argentine colonists did to the native peoples of Tierra del Fuego.
,Empires,
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire
Out of all the empires from world history,
Name me one, that history considers better than another,
Or a better one than the British,
No one, or country is perfect,
Empires come and go, but most get over the fact, that one is no longer an empire
And tries to put things right, in an age of violent conflict, and does reasonably well-[Britain ]
Some on the other hand, cannot live with the fact they are no longer an empire wealthy or powerful, some can’t get over the fact, that they will never have an empire and as such lives in the past and refuses to grow up,
Spain and Argentina fall into such categories,
Learn from the past, or forever make the same stupid mistakes,
You cannot have, what was, is and never will be yours,
@137 Marti Llazo,
Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think judges events outside of Argentina by what WOULD have happened if these events had happened within Argentina.
We know, of course, what life would be like under Argentine oppression, er l mean rule.
And we utterly reject it.
lt comes as a massive shock to the Argentine psyche that we don't want to join their, ha ha, system, but there you have it.
When cornered, Think resorts to even more lies than normal.
btw-we haven't heard from that moron, Hepatia & his/her/its “within 25 years” for awhile.
Maybe the machine needs reprogramming or maybe Think has been too busy just lately.
Fact of the matter is that Falklands/Malvinas was never in the Obama/Macri agenda.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Other than that...what a funny exchange of messages...Reading what the Brits write about Argentinian or other peoples' atrocities when they have committed atrocities and mass murder all over the world... for centuries. Only through the Slave Trade and until 1807 the imported 3.5 million of salves from Africa to Jamaica, Bahamas, Bermudas and North America. They are the inventors of Concentration Camps - perfected by Germany, in WWII - the murders of The Easter Rising, the artificial creation of frontiers in the Middle East where they exacerbated Sunni-Shia conflict, promises to Arabs on a unified state that never came to pass . But then they come here to patronize about other people's atrocities. A little island who was a short-time empire thanks to the human misery they spread and from the extractive economic institutions they established in these countries that have affected their capabilities to develop a true market economy even until today....You come here to spit your so called righteousness based on...what, exactly? A shit*% empire you couldn't maintain without slaves and plunder? Spare me you BS, please...
@144 Marko
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 01807 Britain bans the slave trade.
1833 Britain bans slavery
1853 Argentina ends slavery.
BTW, what happened to your large Black population - 'disappeared'??
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL1561464920070322
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL1561464920070322
144 Marko
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The rapid disappearance of blacks from Argentina has been attributed to racial genocide on the part of the Argentine government. Argentine President Domingo Sarmiento is noted for claiming that blacks can have no part in Argentine society. The Argentine government was known to have carried out similar ethnic cleansing of the countries Native American population. Historians that criticize claims of black casualties in the civil wars often cite the fact that women did not fight in the Argentine wars, yet black women disappeared simultaneously with men in Argentina.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Argentine
”It has been alleged that the president of Argentina from 1868 to 1874, Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, sought to wipe out blacks from the country in a policy of covert genocide through extremely repressive policies (including possibly the forced recruitment of Africans into the army and by forcing blacks to remain in neighborhoods where disease would decimate them in the absence of adequate health care).
Tellingly, Sarmiento wrote in his diary in 1848: “In the United States… 4 million are black, and within 20 years will be 8 [million]…. What is [to be] done with such blacks, hated by the white race?“ www.ibtimes.com/blackout-how-argentina-eliminated-africans-its-history-conscience-1289381
”As a result, in some places in the interior of the country, Africans and people of African descent made up more than fifty percent of the population in these areas according to Jonathan C. Brown. According the George Reid Andrews in his book The Afro-Argentines of Buenos Aires, 1800-1900, Buenos Aires’s population itself was a third black at the time of the revolution.” www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/27tauo/what_happened_to_the_black_
Argentina rid itself of its black population by using them as carne de cañon in its various armed conflicts, both domestically and in foreign fighting. Argentine president Sarmiento was well known as being very anti-black and for promoting measures to rid the country of their blacks. The racism in Argentina today in reference to blacks is simply frightful.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marco is thoroughly indoctrinated.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All these facts and statistics are easily checked.
A 'classic' anti-English rant, though.
@144 Marko
Mar 29th, 2016 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A little island who was a short-time empire ”
Yet Argentina itself wants a South Atlantic empire whilst the UK gave up its empire a long time ago.
You, by wanting to copy the Britain of the past, wish to act like them. Note in 1833 there were black slaves at Port Louis who Captain Onslow declared free after your criminals left.
@144 Marko
Mar 29th, 2016 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we never claimed to be good,
yet others who still live in the past, always like to rub it in, despite their own atrocities.
#144
Mar 29th, 2016 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a sad little person you are...jealousy is dripping out of every pore.
You personally should be grateful for us keeping you in your place. After all it gives you something to moan and whine about by not being considered in the upper strata of humanity. What else would you do with your time ? No! I really don't want to know.
Best wishes for a coronary.
@150 What? You British always claim you are good all the time.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@152 It's comparative.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0British, comparatively good.
Argentine, comparatively silly, comparatively laughable, comparatively corrupt, comparatively inept, comparatively bankrupt, comparatively deceitful, comparatively criminal, comparatively mendacious, comparatively llorón, comparatively.... you get the idea.
As 153 has just said.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@152 It's comparative.
British, comparatively good.
Argentine, comparatively silly
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