MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Obama pays homage to victims of Argentine dictatorship and admits “US was slow to speak out for human rights”
President Barack Obama paid homage on Thursday to victims of Argentina's former US-backed dictatorship, admitting the United States was “slow to speak out for human rights” in those dark days. Obama became the first US president to formally acknowledge the victims of the 1976-1983 military regime, which declassified documents have revealed was supported by top US officials. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesA welcome--albeit incomplete--acknowledgement of the U.S. president of his country's role in the methodical extermination of opponents and suspects by the civic-military junta that usurped the Argentine government 40 years ago.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The U.S. were not “slow to react.” The declassification of documents recently promised will show active collaboration that took place long before the 1976 coup.
The so-called “dirty war” was no such thing. By 1976, most guerrillas had been eliminated. The “war” was the kidnapping of unarmed people at their homes or workplaces, their captivity in clandestine places where they were tortured and kept in infra human conditions until their final “transfer” which in most cases meant death. This included a group of high school students who were petitioning for a reduction in their public transportation costs in what was called The Night of the Pencils.
The blood is still and always be on the hands of Argentines.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0What did you do to try and stop it? Run to Canada?
Your brother did that to your brother.....deal with it.
#2: In a mature democracy, it is imposible to think that a dictature can be imposed over the peoples will over a night. May be you should use the story of the Star War saga to have an idea of how a democracy can be quickly demolished.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or you can compare Guantamo, and all the secrets concentration camps in Europe where suspects of terrorism were kidnapped, tortured and killed, without the most basic juridical protection with our dictatorships concentration camps against what the junta called the “marxist terrorists”.
You are right about one thing. The blood was and still is on the hands of argentines. And im proud that Argentina was the only nation to judge its own citizens for genocide, for state terrorism and the kidnapping of babies. Many of those militaries that participated in the dictature are imprisoned for life, Having as an example Jorge Rafael Videla, dead while in prison.
The only nation?
Mar 25th, 2016 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting parochialism.
Enrique,
Mar 25th, 2016 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's not forget, Argentines vs Argentines.
Let's not forget Argentines vs Aboriginal Argentines and the Argentines Right and Left, who were “slow to react”, if at all.
Let's not forget Argentines Right and Left, who turned out in the many hundreds of thousands, to cheer the Junta - Patriots who sneak attacked a peaceful civilian neighbour, and forcibly subjugated the people.
The Lefties, advocates for the people and freedom, cheered them on further when they defied the UN binding Resolution 502 to withdraw their military occupation.
Enrique, you were 100% complicit - you support that to this day!
#3 let me start by saying I've never seen a Star Wars movie. But, you are correct in my democracy that I, we cannot imagine a dictator taken power overnight. There are people who certainly would if they could, but it's the checks and balances and most of all the fear of arrest.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Gitmo as you call it, apples and oranges. To compare a group of radical, fanatics who have declared “war” on not only the USA and western worlds way of life, but anyone not a Muslim, to a functional, trading society, serves no purpose and is incorrect on your part. Suspects are not “kidnapped”, they are apprehended, seized, arrested. To say they are kidnapped is to make them a victim and they are the farthest thing from being a victim.
My point to Quique is what it always is. He supports Peronism, Kirchners and the old way in Argentina without any conviction. He has not seen life in Argentina and more so under Kirchner. I've been there enough to know that working people despised her for what she did to the country. And, what more does he expect of the USA to do when the vast portion of the USA was to turn it's head to the activity there. The USA's activity involvement was in Central America. Does he think the the USA was going to declassify documents under Kirchner with all she threw at us and then “demand” action and documents?
We have a storied past of supporting people who come back to bite us in the ass.......Bin Laden, Hussein, Noriega, Pahlavi, Duvalier...the list goes on. Now, we are finally supporting a leader on the right side of leading his country and hopefully he brings Argentina out of it's hole. Research Liberato, you've never seen me post berating insults to Argentines.
US was slow to speak out for human rights”
Mar 25th, 2016 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like the rights of the Falkland's
and the rights of the brits to decide,
yes very slow and most selective.,
Yes, very slow to afford the people of the Falkland Islands the same founding principles of the US, self-determination.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is coming to the UK soon to tell us all how much better off we are pumping 55 million a day into the EU and how much safer we are as part of the EU.
He will airbrush over the fact it cost the UK tax payer £2.75 million pounds fighting the European court to deport Abu Hamza.
Good look with your quest Mr Obama, but nobody in the UK gives a damn what you think.
Obammy might with to consider the Henry Kissinger doctrine and its more or less successful employment in arresting the wholesale exploration of Stalinist style communism to latam.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember: Russia, prewar and postwar, killed and tortured tens of millions of it own population in suppressing political dissidence in opposition to communism.
This was the same disease that Russia was desperately trying through direct and indirect action to infect the whole of latam with.
Many if not all of the latam communist were working under the direct sponsorship of Russian handlers in a mostly covert war for control of latam.
If these combatants had chosen to don uniforms and engage in open conflict within the rules of war much of the collateral damage that accrued from this treachery would not have occurred.
Thus the very nature of the communist insurrection self inflicts a heavy toll on the very people that it seeks to “liberate” from “capitalist” oppression.
How does the communist cleanse his hands of these blood stains?
Were some simplistic locals unwittingly duped by the communist into ensnarement in their own insurrectionist plots?
Possibly.
That blood is on communist hands though.
Those in American government that tirelessly labored to protect latam from the proliferation of the Russian communist satellite state are true heroes and to be honored.
Today, latam struggles to throw off the crippling shackles of failed communist style economics, a political indulgency born in Moscow and the wholesale looting of their own countries by the communist inspired ruling class.
This is a battle that they will fight on their own
America has no more time for the self crippling, nihilistic irresponsible behavior of those to the south.
Bueno suerte!
Note to history: Latam will survivie Jimmy Carter's failed efforts to cripple the resistance of sovereign governments to Russian communist aggression. Kissinger secures an iconic and much beloved place in Amercia history.
The only problem I have with the USA helping Argentina rid itself of Communism is that they didn't kill enough people, Argentina and Brazil. Otherwise you wouldn't have had these nasty Marxist Terrorists currently running the country into the ground.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't wait until the USA DEA etc link the Ks and their cronies to the massive drug trade and take them all down.
Maybe she can share a cell with Hillary.
@9 Chronic
Mar 25th, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the exception of your GOP slagging of Carter, I agree with much of what you say in your post.
The Russians and their organization, the COMINTERN, did what they did all over the world. They did their best through terrorism and other seditious means, to destabilize governments, destroy institutions and the fabric of societies - to be replaced by Communism when the people are in despair.
Africa, China, SE Asia, S. America - the same all over.
... and the likes of Nostrils, Enrique, and Think denounce the “Anglos” as conspirators.
What hillarary? She's Teflon. 94 associated with them have paid with their lives.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#6: First let me tell you that from our point of view, With what we all know about the “School of the Americas” where most SA dictators learned how to torture and how to “combat” comunism, it is of great admiration, having a visit of a US president recognizing they will open their archives and study their involvement in those dark years. It just never happened before.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Many dictatures were fabricated in the Pentagon, believe or not. The Pinochet Regime for example, was organized by Kissinger, and there are lots of proof about it.
It is not that the USA was the evil in all this. We as a people failed to prevent this kind of regimes in the past but it is good for us all to try to learn from our mistakes and that is what i see in Obama visit on a day to remember in Argentina.
About Guantanamo and the secrets concentration camps in Europe. They have no arrested people. Becouse if the people detained there have not the single juridical representation, under what charges are they arrested?. How do you know they are not a victim? How do you know they deserve to be there? How do you know they are terrorist?.
In the 70's in Argentina, with the military dictature, politicals oponents, childrens asking for a reduction of their transport costs, innocent people were dissapeared, kidnapped, tortured and killed under accusation of terrorism. They had not the basic juridical right to defend themselves. But to the common people the dictature said they were fighting terrorism.
So, what im saying is that im not posting against the US people, im posting against its policies. All nations have its past and present wrongs. After all what Argentina have been through, there are still people here who liked the military dictature. You having governments that prays around the world about democracy, should not have concentration camps for people without a right to defend themselves.
Kirchner, did some good things, but lack the most basic diplomatic skills destroying Argentina's institutions.
13. Incomprehensible babble.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Carter:
Good hearted person.
Terribly weak leader and highly flawed to the point of presidential impotence.
Obummer needs to keep his nose out of the UK.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has proven time and time again he has NO respect for the Brits and given the disastrous security cock-ups the EU has presided over since 1957, and it is getting worse, you would have thought that would have taken precedence to fiscal policy.
This security blunder is of ongoing epic proportions:
1) 90,000 'terrorist finger prints' but NO way to sort them!
2) No consensus or working agreement as to how Arabic names can be recorded, sorted and recovered!
3) NO cohesive lines of communication between countries regarding known or suspected Jihadist terrorists crossing into their border being transmitted to other security forces for watching / arresting as needed.
These weaknesses, now demonstrated as fatal weaknesses, are enough in their own right for ALL UK indigenous people to vote LEAVE.
Trump got into trouble for stating that Muslims in the UK are not reporting the BAD ones to the authorities. That was exactly what happened in Stoke on Trent.
Of course the laughingly called Muslim Council of Britain, who by all accounts is not representative of the majority of Muslims in the UK, rejected the claim that home-grown terrorists were even known to them. Something wrong here: are they lying? It seems so to me.
@1 Reekie
Mar 25th, 2016 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Typical of the ex-Argie living in the comfort of a civilized country, criticizing the wrong ones....it's a pity that you weren't exterminated, you're not worth your weight in 'bosta'...
Poor Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekie!
Mar 25th, 2016 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now who was it that named him?
No, it wasn't mia Yankee Boy - it was me.
lol.
A very disappointing collection of posts above--with the exception of Liberato's excellent points--that depart in all directions and avoid addressing the central point: does the end justify the means?
Mar 25th, 2016 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The Argentine dictators felt they had a right to hold people of all ages and condition in secret locations where torture did not know limits, to defend what they called the “Traditional, Western and Christian” order.
Their goals included benefiting the civic component of the coup: the agro-export sector and the rest of the country's elite.
Making the best out of a sad period, Argentina however ended up submitting the many suspects to trial--with legal guarantees the victims were denied.
Of 2,354 imputed persons, 669 were sentenced and 62 were acquitted.
Of the sentenced, about half are under house arrest.
That's more than enough to be proud of the Argentina that emerged from such horror.
#16 Jack Bauer: Won't respond to this shallow, YB-like post. It speaks about the author better than I could ever do.
Hey, Reeeeeeeeeekie - just for you:
Mar 25th, 2016 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marxism, bolshevism, leninism, stalinism, maoism, socialism, collectivism, perronism - all just different strains of the same cancer that is communism - each favoring the interests of the group over those (and to the exclusion) of those of the individual.
There is a fundamental choice to be made and one option is based on personality accountability and the other on the specific lack of it.
Should it be then that the:
The liberties of the individual shall be sacrificed where in conflict with the possible good of the group?
or conversely and to the exclusion of the aforementioned that
The individual shall have the freedom to attempt to succeed and or fail to whatever extent they so choose?
Did not this president give the Russians secrets abt our subs.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't the great and powerful USA that rid Argentina of its dictatorship or its ridiculous people who probably had the government they deserved at the time, going off the last nut job they voted in to power.
It was a green grocers daughter from Grantham that saved you from your Junta, just one British woman who had more balls than the entire American continent.
#19 chronic
Mar 25th, 2016 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Prey tell, chronic:
Which are the individual rights that would have been protected by the Argentine military junta in the 1970s when they proceeded to kidnap, torture and murder thousand of individual Argentines--some foreigners too--without a shadow of legal process?
Sorry Reeeeeeeeeeeekie, you are the one prattling on about rights.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Freedom is not free, it has a cost.
The war to eliminate the malignancy that is communisn has been expensive and paid in blood.
It can only be hoped that the war and the resultant loss of life that it has spawned will soon be over.
Enrique,
Mar 25th, 2016 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Communism is not for the People.
It's for the Communist leaders.
It's what the Communist leaders tell dupes like you to enlist your aid.
They need the “disenfranchised”, the frustrated, the hopeless, the resentful.
If there are not enough of those they create them - destroy family, livelihood, burn the schools...
and offer the idealism of Communism to those who have nothing, and nothing to lose.
How many of those utopian societies punished, stifled, “re-educated” the intellectuals, teachers, professionals... ?
Russian and China killed their best and brightest.
Mar 25th, 2016 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0During the Cold War any freak show that labelled itself anti-communist could count on American support, and there were loads of them.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine nun-droppers and baby stealers were hardly beacons of freedom, they attained a level of depravity only recently surpassed by the Islamofascists.
http://www.desaparecidos.org/nuncamas/web/english/library/nevagain/nevagain_215.htm
Does Reekie still hear the Jaws theme when he sees a Falcon?
Mar 26th, 2016 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You play with fire, you get your fingers burnt.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mount an insurgency, you get a counterinsurgency.
The mechanics and instruments of spycraft are distinctly different than warcraft.
An internal disease is treated with a different protocol than an affliction of the epidermis.
So for those rgs who still like to whine(98%) and blame others for the consequences of their own actions(100%):
When you actively conspired with mother Russia to bring the revolution to rg did you never consider that there might somehow be a cost that might have to be paid by not only the chief plotters but also by those who willing followed them and that that cost and burden would also fall to those who were marginally associated with the latter and that even those who were only related to those who were distanced the greatest in their treachery and conspiratorial activity from the latam agents of Russia might be placed in peril due to this adventurism?
Look to Russia and rg for the responsible parties because you can't blame anyone for wanting to resist the imposition of socialism - let alone communism.
Communist idealists like Enrique were NOT fighting the tyranny of the Junta, to begin with.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The intervention of military junta was a reaction to the Communist/Socialst terrorists attacking/ bombing government institutions in several South American states at that time.
A coordinated campaign by the Communist International organization, the COMINTERN.
Argentina's junta were opportunists who seized power when the civilian government appeared weak and unable to deal with the Communists.
Just as the Soviets backed the Tupas and other Communist terrorists in SA, the USA backed the governments and anti-communist groups that wanted to stop them.
Enrique should blame the Communists who led him to betray his country.
He still to this day, defends a criminal, corrupt, populist government that the MAJORITY of Argentines wanted rid of, and voted out.
29. Even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while. lol.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This message is approved/endorse by chronic.
Disclaimer:
chronic isn't tt .
chronic doesn't like tt.
When anyone - including lil' Peppi or even Reeeeeeeeeekie - gets it right, chronic will acknowledge it.
Get it right, Chronic is not American.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I knew that that burst of honesty was short lived and that my prejudice would be affirmed.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tt - eternally clueless.
lol.
@30, 32
Mar 26th, 2016 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“chronic doesn't like tt.”
Yeah, we get it. TT calls “Chronic” out for being a pompous fake American.
Send your car 'round for me, faker.
Forget it Troy, you're talking to a pile of human shit whose believes can be summed up as
Mar 26th, 2016 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am right, if your disagree you are wrong”
it's the little things if you spot them that validates he is not an American. When he posts as luci calling be a grunt, an old term for an infantry, he thinks is an insult. Funny more is he thinks ANY words affect me.
And as Chronic, lil pippi, peppy, peppi is suppose to upset me. He needs his/her anonyminity to validate the self righteousness. He will always he here because his persona requires that he feeds his ego to validate the meager existence of his life on MP.
Those who have emailed me, both friendly and Kirchner supporters know well where I reside.
Like a trained dog, he can't allow someone else to have the last word. In real life, enemies like that are dreams come true......they are predictable.
Sit Ubu....sit....here boi.
Grunt, Your rantings give your true feelings away.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right in cue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 26th, 2016 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's your bone!!!
Feed that “fucking” ego.
@18 Reekie
Mar 26th, 2016 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, your denial to reply is far better than my having to read more of your BS.....
But just to make sure where we stand, I know that you are a stupid socialist-minded Argie, who loves the comfy life afforded to you by Canada, a civilized capitalist country. You are a contradiction, in that while you defend the corrupt socialist governments in South America, you take advantage of what a capitalistic society offers you....I'd like to think that perhaps you are 'confused', but I think it is rather more serious than that. Go see a shrink..
And I presume that when all your weak arguments are trashed, you'll resort to calling me a racist.....isn't that what the idiot liberals do ?
@36 Capt
Mar 26th, 2016 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He tries to differentiate himself from co-joined twin YB/Lucifer, by saying he is “more concise” than YB.
If his rambling, ill-formed post @28 is anything to go by - they're the same person.
Very big of him that he is granting his approval of others posts - LOL, what a pompous, self-aggrandising fool!
Chronic, can shout himself hoarse - he has reduced himself to the monotonous drone of 'background noise'.
Its always there, it never changes. It inevitably ends up being about him.
Back on topic;
Obama represents his country as a gentleman. He gives America some class.
You idiots can't even see your own hypocrisy.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grunt can't post without being vulgar and angry but doesn't know why.
I agree Troy. We watched Telefe via Comcast of Obama in Argentina.....I was pleased. I don't agree with many things of Obama but this was good.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was in Bariloche in January and across from Llao Llao where they went. I can't imagine his motocade driving on Bustillo with 33 vehicles. I take a cruise to Puerto Blest but not the vessel he was on.....I saw it and wondered about it.
All his screen names are about his personality though, isn't it? Lol.....poor kid......I feel for his lost soul.....to be so alone in life is sad but befitting for him.
Troy.....enjoy your Easter.
Omg you two are dumb.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tt, I'm just glad I'm here so you can copy my posts. It appears that you've never had an original thought. It'd be sad if it weren't so funny.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He copies them but doesn't understand them.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same with Grunt.
Capt, Troy, those two saddos go around and around in circles. Its a sign of senility. They are not far from joining us down here. The Chief is a bit pissed over the appropriation of his name and thus his pitchfork is being sharpened as we speak.
Mar 26th, 2016 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 042/43 twins
Mar 26th, 2016 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said it better @29 than your rambling generic anti-Left dogma @28...
Most people tune you out, just like their fridge.
Everyone except you and Grunt.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you twins?
46 YB/chrono
Mar 27th, 2016 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, you are right, everyone tunes u out
Commie lights. lol.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Troy....in the Casablanca Rosada article he admits he has no ideas, he doesn't think....and even......gets a bit flustered. Here he tells you no everyone tunes him out but use. And of course his standard.....you commie lefty. Next he will be quoting Archie Bunker calling us pinko commies.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a poor little sapper. Sapper is a upgrade for him. AR least he laughs at what he perceives as humor.
@49
Mar 27th, 2016 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I normally tune out the droning of the fridge, but in this case, his icemaker's on the fritz.
Again, everyone except you two.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@51 The “great”YB/chronic, the “articulate”
Mar 27th, 2016 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Addressing you sarcastically above, if you didn't know.
Please make your assertion once more that NOBODY IS LISTENING TO YOU - it's really too funny!!!
Ha ha, Ubu won't drop that bone.
:-D
If “nobody” is listening why do you and Grunt respond to every post?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't nobody be responding?
Can't help yourself can you?
I was going to pass on such a pious day but I could not resist. I believe the “exact” wording is “EVERYBODY EXCEPT YOU TWO”.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should where a manbun assuming you are a man. It might help catch what goes over your head. Oh man.......so sorry, I forgot you suffer from Shiney Domis. Glue one on.
54. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your spell check is failing you.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its funny that dumb people can't see their own hypocrisy nor keep on track with logic.
Thank you for your display of such magnanimity. Now spend that day with your family. They deserve your attention.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 Troy Tempest
Mar 27th, 2016 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Most people tune you out,.. ”
@46 YB/chronos
“EVERYONE except you and Grunt.”
You blew it - what a maroon!
and now you resort to spell-checking for us...
Ubu - drop the stick. Good boy.
Real North Americans know who Ubu is.......lol
Mar 27th, 2016 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you too coordinating attack?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not working too well.
Silly stupid losers.
You are like a cross breed of Ubu and the Ever Ready Bunny.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do they still use that commerical?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it still playing during Murder She Wrote?
YB
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hoisted with his own petard.
Sit Ubu, sit.
What time does Matlock come on?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before your 4pm mushy dinner?
@63 YB
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 Troy Tempest
“Most people tune you out,.. ”
@46 YB/chronos
“EVERYONE except you and Grunt”
LOL... :-D
Oooh double teamed.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aren't I lucky
Keep going loser.
Keep going.
If anyone was wondering, this is the thread where Americans insult one another. The gumless of Florida vs the rest. :-)
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 066. Which poster are you usually?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66 Lord Lucan
Mar 27th, 2016 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are quite right, that's what it has devolved into.
I did try to take it back to the exemplary behaviour of Obama, and the great example he is setting.
However, YB/Chronos of The Whispering Palms Care Home would rather make it about himself.
He has the tenacity of a senile Lurcher and won't drop the bone...
Meanwhile, good on Obama, and this marks the acceptance that the Cuban government can no longer hold back the young from changing Cuba.
YB, coming from you is that a joke!
Mar 27th, 2016 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troy, its the gumless of Naples vs the rest. You have assisted them to make themselves look even more stupid than usual. Well done.
They are now going to endure 8 years of Hillary who will probably see them out. Its noticeable that they arent celebrating Trump, on the other hand who in their right mind would?
@69 Lord Lucan
Mar 27th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sad part is, they likely agree with Trump.
Obama is an embarrassment.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although better than The Idiot Canuck Trudeau.
“if you kill your enemies they won”
What a moron
Perfect for Canada tho
He's considered smart there.
@71 YB/Chronos
Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good try at deflection - but way off topic.
You wanna talk about American Presidents representing their country, and defining Americans?
Just wait until your GOP front runner is truly centre stage - how embarrassing THAT will be!!
Maybe Sirhan Sirhan and the “Second Gunman” can be hired by the Bush and Romney Republicans to take out Trump, the most recent threat to the GOP.
Why would you need someone to assassinate a political candidate?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless you're afraid they may win?
You really have a hard time with logic don't you?
You mean “win the Republican nomination” - for a start.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You GOP boosters would hate that. He's an extremist and a loose cannon, even in your twisted world.
Trump is very popular on the Right.
How is a political party based on democratic principles going to stop him?
It's going to be a Republican circus act!!
No I don't mean that at all.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 059
Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your spell check is failing you....
;-))))))))))
Glad you're learning some manners.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@75 YB/Chronos
Mar 27th, 2016 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trump will be the biggest GOP embarrassment of a candidate since hand-picked Palin.
What a laugh - Jeb was frog-marched by his 90 year old mother to run for the Republican nomination.
Alas, his heart wasn't in it, and with spectre of failure looming over him, he backed off - so much for the GOP “power brokers”!
http://nyti.ms/1QWVyt0
Still better than Socialist half wit Trudeau.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your whole country is a joke.
I'd be embarrassed to say I'm from there.
Plus then people would think I'm stupid.
@79 YB
Mar 27th, 2016 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good try at deflecting again - It's obvious you can't refute what I'm saying so you change the subject.
Looks like you future boils down to the Politics of Hate - Trump's vision of America, or Bernie's social and corporate reforms to reduce the powers of special interest groups and exclusion.
After visiting Sacramento this week and witnessing young parents with small children living in their cars ( plural), in the Walmart parking lot - I think your GOP vision of America is not working.
Our friend from the UK was shocked at her first visit to the US.
Was there a question in post 78?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I miss it?
Sounded to me like a bitter crazy old commie ranting about the country that has been protecting him his whole life.
Am I wrong?
”After visiting Sacramento this week and witnessing young parents with small children living in their cars ( plural), in the Walmart parking lot - I think your GOP vision of America is not working”
Er, Obama has been running the country for the last 8 years.
G-D you're dumb.
If its so shocking they should stay home
Or visit a council flat
Nothing is worse than a poor person from the UK.
They're seriously disgusting.
Gee Troy....he hates Canadians, Mexicans, liberals, hates the English, freedom of speech.....the list goes on. Such a common theme with him. Maybe he is American......a rank and file Trumppie.
Mar 27th, 2016 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In all truthfulness Troy......I am cheering on Trump. If he makes the nomination......I am writing to see the fun in the general election aftering pushing away the minorities and women. BTW. I love the battle of the wives...... classy.
Why do you think I hate anyone?
Mar 27th, 2016 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comprehension isn't your strong suit.
@82 Capt.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trump can't do any worse than the decade of Bush Republicans that went after WMB, shovelled money at Cheney's Haliburton, and brought on the 2008 Debt crisis, Mortgage crisis, and plunged millions of into unemployment and poverty.
How many ordinary Americans lost their homes while Bush and his cronies set about bailing out the bankers.
Good thing the Democrats got into power the next year in 2009 and upset the status quo and cozy back room deals.
McCain & Palin - real winners, those two!
Liberals love to revise history.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's why their regimes are crumbling all over the world.
People are sick of the lies and being shamed by the PC Police.
I'm curious but don't expect an answer. What is your definition of a liberal and conservative?
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0ENRIQUE MASSOT: PRESENT ANY DOCUMENT FORM THE GOV SAYING THAT THE 1976 WASNT A WAR IT WAS JUST A ELIMINATION OF INICENT PEOPLE.... WAIT FOR THAT, I THINK YOU ARE SO INDOCTRINATED BY Ks TELL. BRITON: DOES UN GA OR 4COMMITEED GIVES SD TO THE ISLANDER EVERY YEAR??JAAAA, IT SAYS IN THE CHARTTER, BUT OFFICLALLY NOTHING.SO NO WISHES IS APPLYABLE.LLAZO: LA DIRECCION BASTARDO ASI TE VISITO CAGON HIJO DE PUTA
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is confused - he doesnt realise that Republicans are a US political party, while Right wing politics or Conservatives are a loose description of ideology.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just as US Democrats are a party, that is in some ways but not all, more of a Left wing or Liberal ideology, than that followed by the US Republican Party.
YB/Chronos appears to believe, I emphasize 'appears', that to be a Conservative in America, one MUST be Republican and embrace ALL Republican policies and platforms. One must also shun/reject/obstruct ALL “Liberal” ideas/values, and ALL Democratic Party initiatives.
According to him, he would have us believe that ALL loyal Republicans have an innate ability to understand Macro-Economics and business strategies.
Strange that Trump's 'beloved' “uneducated” are his unquestioning core followers, and some of the poorest.
Likewise, he would have us believe that Liberals, and liberal-thinkers, MUST adhere to EVERY Democratic Party policy and are inherently incapable of fiscal management.
The YB's of the Republican Party, the Tea-Party, and the knee-jerk Republicans, seem to forget that the Office of the President, elected by a MAJORITY of fellow citizens, is to be respected in his position as leader of the country - for the common good of the American people and the country.
Instead, they very openly and vocally, do their best to indiscriminately hobble ANY and ALL initiatives from the Democratic administration.
That may be good for those pulling the strings. How is it good for the country?
There was a time as most Americans over 50 know that there were liberal Republicans and Everyone knew that a southern Democrat was as conservative as they come. Conte, Brooke, Weld, Rockefeller, They've prettymuch been outlawed in the GOP as the ball baggers gave siege to the GOP. But Trump and his Trumppies are working their magic on the GOP. Give it time and allow it to continue. He wants to sue the GOP because he does not like the rules now.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you two just read headlines and think you know what you're talking about?
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0So vociferous and so very wrong.
I see so many of your kind on the news.
Protesting things that the media tells you to protest without understanding what is really going on.
We call you rubes.
My definition of a liberal is much like my definition of a bad smell. I know it when I smell it.
So luci.......you can't answer that simple question of what your definition of a liberal and conservative is.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as I stated you would not.
90 YB
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't heard anything compelling from you and ChronicVoice
Please tell us again how Obama was responsible for the Mortgage crisis and Debt Crisis of 2008
LOL - shot yourself in the foot!
Tell us which candidate you are voting for GOP nomination.
Can't, won't ??
Either you don't have a clue, or you are just a Troll and nothing more.
C'mon, make a definite statement about SOMETHING , “genius”.
LOL
I didn't say Obama was responsible for anything before 2008. I said Democrats were 100% responsible for the banking and housing crash and gave you links to the research to prove it.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously you didn't read them.
Read them and post a response instead of whining.
If you don't see definite statements in my posts you're not reading them correctly.
I posted my definition of a Liberal above.
Afraid to define a liberal or conservative........everyone now knows a little bit more about the infamous lucifer, formerly T.Paine and the exiled yb, who can no longer posted on MP. I'm sure your days are numbered as well St. Luci.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So is this the extend of your intelligence when it comes to definitions?
“My definition of a liberal is much like my definition of a bad smell. I know it when I smell it.”
Not exactly as smart as you want to be......maybe when you grow up luci, get out of your pull ups and into real under roos.
Still smarter than you.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How was Murder She Wrote last night?
Is that where you learned your detective skills?
Too bad life isn't like a poorly written tv show that's probably why you get confused so easily.
I love you sense of humor....similar to mine.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even something as simple as a liberal and conservative you cannot define.......stupidity or fear?
Keep posting nothing, your strongest attribute is.....nothing. But, your humor is a tickle .....Dad.
Your obedient grunt.
A tickle?
Mar 28th, 2016 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a strange turn of phrase.
Unless you're 70.
Do you think your posts are enlightening?
Okay one standard for you and one for everyone else.
Remember me saying you were a hypocrite.
look it up if you don't know the meaning
tell me if you agree
No I'm 70, I can barely remember my name. Do you remember telling me I claimed to be the only person who comes from where he states he does? Look it up, I still waiting for support on that lie of yours.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not think nor want my posts to be enlightening. I told you, I want your source of oxygen. Today, tomorrow or next year or in 5 years in fact.
My source of oxygen? How so?
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I do, I remember everything.
I also explained that to you long ago
That's one of the reasons I call you a hypocrite.
Are you saying you don't harass and harangue people because you think they're lying about where they live?
FYI you've done it to me and Chronic loads of times
As I've said before it doesn't matter.
Not one little bit.
You remember yet you can post a link of me saying that because I never did or you would have posted it daddy.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grunt, Are you too stupid to understand what I am trying to tell you?
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do I need to get a switch?
apparently so. SO why not spell it out for us daddy.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's spelled out in post 99.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep re-reading it until it sinks in.
No i don't harass people, your not considered a person. Do you see me riding other posters? I don't even fuck with the Argentine's you you hate so much. I want your fucking oxygen and I will get it.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will never find that post of me saying that I am the only one who lives where they say they do because I never said that, or even implied it. The very simple reason that you refuse to copy the link in the post of me saying that.
Your grunt
It now matters to me.
You imply it every time you harangue someone;
Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0where do you live where do you live where do you live where do you live
no you don't no you don't no you don't no you don't
email me email me email me email me
Sound familiar?
Some of the stupid people gave in and emailed you.
I'm not as stupid as they areand I am much smarter than you
Plus I am very sure you're nuts.
Trolls have to stay on the edge and you are consistent in that respect of not to give big clues, only subtle ones.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don;t like it, run away, but we all know that you cannot run away.....CTS
Your names are the only ones I harangue and give shit to. Shit out, shit in. Can't stand the shit get out of the toilet boi.
Of course wittle bitty Luci is so much smarter, whatever luci says..........go for it luci.
@106 Captain
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all a matter of credibility - YB/Luci can tell us all he likes that he is American, but he has NO credibility.
“Chronic” persona has even less.
They don't understand credibilty. What is they would say......dumb, dumb, dumb......lol. At least someone like Axel defines his believe regardless of how much I and others disagrees. They also fail to understand no one cares where posters are from, until they lie about it.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever seen a post from me saying that I am the only one who comes from where I say I come from?
They'll be back, they can't stay away.....it's in their genes.
I am sure “they” will.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's funny that they can't stand to lose an argument and will always double down for the next round...
*smirk*
I see a heavy barrage of insults, false claims and basically nothing of substance on the horizon. I can hardly wait.....lol. I hope others enjoy the show as much as I do.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0110 Capt.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, I'm finding it all a bit tedious.
I don't know how Chronos et al get such sustenance out of coming on here time and again, saying nothing of substance, getting shot down, and looking like sulking child.
Any attention is better than NO attention, I guess...
Well guys, the chuckle brothers are eagerly anticipated down here. We are warming up the coals and sharpening the tridents. The boss has really got it in for YB for stealing his handle.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0112
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're in for a tough time with those two - they'd bore you to death... if you weren't already dead.
We have a special place for boring folk, we put them in with the politicians. Plenty of them… :-)
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 092
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ChronicVoice....???
That's a new one...
What's that all aboot...?
They're just two confused Murder She Wrote watchers.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or maybe Matlock
They can't tell who I am or where I'm from
and it drives them crazy.
Canuckie and Grunt I can never get enough.
I'm happy that you changed your mind and came back out to play. I'm learning a lot about insults from you, frail as they are.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought a self proclaimed mind of brilliance, you, could do better than a 3rd grade name tosser. Show us what you are really made of?
I would but they'd go over your head.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you look up the work hypocrite yet?
For me these papers highlight two points.
Mar 31st, 2016 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the time I was under the impression that Ambassador Hill was reporting the events in Argentina more than is now indicated.
The Junta took notice of, and needed, the covert green light given the Kissinger. At the time I felt that the Junta could not give a fig about the opinion of the US government. Likewise, the efforts of the Carter administration to curb the actions of the Junta had a real effect.
The situation that the US face with Argentina in the 1970s is the same as the one now faced with respect to Egypt. The US should have severed ties with Argentina then and should, likewise, sever ties with Egypt now.
When are the likes of Enrique Massot going to apologise for what happened BEFORE 1976 ?
Mar 31st, 2016 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologise for the hundreds of innocents killed by the ERP & Montoneros during a civilian constitutional government ( Peron -Isabel Peron ) ?
You speak of the School of the Americas , but where did the “ jovenes idealistas ” learn their skills ? Most in Cuba , some in Libya and some even in Moscow .
The fact is , EM and his cronies are not interested in justice , truth , reconciliation or peace .
They are simply interested in power , so they can ransack the country at leisure .
120. Can and Did under Kirchner.
Mar 31st, 2016 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@120 Usurp
Apr 01st, 2016 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The fact is , EM and his cronies are not interested in justice , truth , reconciliation or peace .
They are simply interested in power , so they can ransack the country at leisure .”
To be fair, I don't think this is true in Enriques's case.
He was one of the idealistic dupes that blindly did their bidding.
The Massot family was part and parcel of the Arg Military regime. Someone told them to get Enrique out of the country and they did. He was s stupid idealistic Marxist and still is in his 70s.
Apr 01st, 2016 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty sad he never matured.
@123 YB
Apr 01st, 2016 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you get that from?
Clearly, he is a Marxist and for unknown reasons he still supports a criminal corrupt political regime that stole from the people of Argentina.
If you ask him, Enrique will probably tell you that he was imprisoned and tortured by the military junta for his misled idealism, before being exiled to Europe.
Google Massot Argentina. It's all online. His family are newspaper owners south of BA. Just like he pretends to be with his stupid blog. Between his family and the generosity of the Canadian Gov't he's never really had to work. That's why he never matured.
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