MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina, on a UN decision expands continental shelf area by 35% to 350 miles
Foreign minister Susana Malcorra is scheduled to officially announce on Monday the external limit of Argentina's continental shelf based on a unanimous decision from the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, (dependent from the Oceans and Law of the Sea), which adds to Argentina's shelf 1.7 million square kilometers, apparently confirming areas surrounding the Falklands/Malvinas, other South Atlantic islands and the Antarctica Argentine sector. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo does this mean that if Ireland and France extend their continental shelves then the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands become affected?
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for the goose..good for the gander.... the FI should extend theirs to 350 miles as well.....
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Truly, this is a historic moment. We are witnessing the birth of a new Malvinista myth.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0This morning the Malvinaverse has itself all of a lather with the belief that the UN has recognised an Argentine continental shelf that includes the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. Obviously, it ain't so.
“Argentina will not exercise these rights over territories and maritime spaces which the United Kingdom is administrating unilaterally since 1833”.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that's very 'Argentine' of them!
“We're reaffirming our (Argentinian) sovereignty rights over the resources from our continental shelf, minerals, hydrocarbons and sedentary species”, Ms Malcorra
Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, I think there should be a bit more discussion about the rights of worms and snails in the South Atlantic ... after all, they've got so eat something.
Sadly it is sounding as if ms Malcorra suffers from exactly the same delusions of a fantasy world as her predecessor Timmerman and her ex lady president
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kirschener!
At least her No 2 got it right- ”we can claim it but as there is a dispute we can do nothing about it!. Although he seems a bit of an arse as well if he thinks the UN has only just recognised there is a dispute in the area - matey - don't you recall a UN Security Council Binding Resolution in April 1982 that ordered your side to withdraw your armed forces from the Islands?
Your country,s ignoring that ruling gave Great Britain full international legal authority to do what it did - kick Argentina off the Islands and declare the dispute over and resolved.
Geofff, old lad...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see you are still kicking, boy...
Ps...:
Just for your kind info...
As usually, MercoPress's translation is wanting...
It should say...: Pelagic species...
Regards
El Think
@1
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ireland, France and the UK all have multiple submissions made to the CLCS.
The UK submissions include the shelves around Hatton Rockall, Ascencion, Falkland Islands, SG, SS.
l guess that means that the seas right up to Patagonia's coast are ours then.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0l can live with that.
No more beach fishing for you, Think.
You will be trespassing unless you have a license.
For you that will be $10,000US a month please.
Geeeee.....
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0All are pressent today...!
The Good.... The Bad..... And The Ugly...
@10
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the thick oops I mean Think
It is a well-established practice, accepted as law that title over the natural resources is to follow that over territory; accordingly the sovereign subject enjoys the exclusive right to dispose of the natural wealth of the area which it exercises sovereignty.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.academia.edu/17799157/Falklands_-_Some_Relevant_International_Law
I sussed the 'Malevolent Midget' for what she was from the get go and this just follows all the tripe she has previously spouted.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly, she is aiming at becoming TMBOA II. I think Macri had better look out!
If they really could raise an armed invasion does anybody believe they wouldn't try to “retake” the islands, the ones they have never owned that is? No, I didn't think so.
Susanna Malcora ---quote :-
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0the limits of the continental shelf of the entire Argentine territory, that is, the continent, the Malvinas Islands, the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and the Argentine Antarctic. The UN resolution now ratifies the country’s limits as well as its sovereignty rights in the South Atlantic.
Is that what the UN decision said ?
That they have sovereignty over the Falklands, South Georgia, South Sandwich islands etc. It must be an elastic measuring tape they are using as they are claiming islands over 1000 miles from Argentina under their 350 mile claim.
Delusions as usual.
Normal metric system, Mr. Clyde15...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ellitoral.com/um/fotos/148427_11.jpg
So, If I understand it aright, Argentina submitted a full submission, that went to a sub-Commission which has now reported (we await the actual document). It is unlikely that the sub-Commission would rule on areas subject to conflicting claims.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK, on the other hand, has submitted a partial submission only concerned with the areas of conflicting claims, so the UN Commission didn't waste its time and just said it couldn't rule on the matter.
Basically, we seem to have got to the same end with a lot less hassle.
Oh, and the UN Commission had a footnote added by the Secretariat which dates back to the 1960's about some sovereignty dispute? Ancient history. (Did you know that the issue of sovereignty has not actually been discussed since 1834? - isn't history fun )
A err - a non story in fact :-)
@15 Think
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately for Ms Malcorra, disputed territories and areas south of 60 were excluded from the CLCS recommendations. So from your map you have to subtract those 200 n.mile EEZs around FI, SG and SS and all the claims south of 60.
In other words, this UN committee has extended Arg sovereignty beyond the 200 nm EEZ to the edge of the shelf, where not disputed with the UK. An understandable and uncontroversial decision.
@9 Isolde
Not the case. The UK submission does not go west beyond the currently defined EEZ.
#10 Yup, the ugly - the Neanderthal and his puppet still desperately pursuing their lost cause.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain's reminder to the Committee.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/depts/los/clcs_new/submissions_files/arg25_09/clcs_45_2009_los_gbr.pdf
(17) Hermanito shileno
Mar 28th, 2016 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That map was only posted to explain to Mr. Clyde15 at (14) the basis for the Argentinean claim to those “Islands over 1000 miles from Argentina” as he puts it...
Pure metrical system... No “elastic” miles here...
By the way... Thanks for the good game of Football the other day...
Luckily, things are returning to normal...
El Think...
Great news. And kudos for all those who worked on that: well done.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By unanimous decision from the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, not an Argentinian office, now our share of ocean is bigger, EXCLUDING the areas where the FI are. As it should be.
Now we better buy the means to protect our newly acquired assets, because otherwise we will have a bigger place to be spoiled under our noses.
And what a great chance to sign some sort of agreement with the UK in order to set a joint effort to protect that area.
@Think
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde was right to be incredulous about Ms Malcorra's declaration. The elasticity is in the truthfulness not the measurement.
PD: nautical miles are not a “metrical system” measure.
PPD: Argentina struggling to qualify is the 21st century normal ;)
(22) Hermanito shileno
Mar 28th, 2016 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just trying to help Mr. McClyde15 into plain folks metrication and away from their IMPERIAL System;-)
Lots of time left on this young XXI csntury...
Let's concentrate into qualifying for Russia ;-)))
Good news Think. As well known serial liars and cheats the Russians have decided that you don't even have to qualify, you're in!
Mar 28th, 2016 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK will blatently disregard the UN once again just like they do everytime it does not suit their interests and claim once more their implanted population wants to remain British.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still, the fact that the UN as well as most of the countries in the world support the Argentine claim (excluding some EU countries and former UK colonies) goes a long way to expose the UK double standards.
The UK making the submission naturally. Not the Falklanese.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because such a people don't exist.
@23, 25 and 26
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual Argentina continues its false claims to sovereignty of territories to which it has no right except through myths, cuentos de hadas, bulas papales sin razón, and lies and, of course, arrogant bombast!
26 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Naturally unsurprisingly enough, otherwise there would be a contradiction of the terms of the Referendum .
Why doesn't Ms. Malcorra get the UN Commission to extend Argentina's territorial waters by another 5,000 miles to the east, then the crazy, delusional woman could claim a fair portion of South Africa as well...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Mar 28th, 2016 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny isn't it how the Argentines ignore the UN when it comes to deciding what constitues a 'people':-
The UNESCO International Meeting of Experts for the Elucidation of the Study of the Concepts of Right of Peoples, in 1989, provided a detailed and standard description of “people”.
According to the description which is some times referred to as the “Justice Kirby definition”, a ‘people’ is:
“a group of individual human beings who enjoy some or all of the following common features:
(a) a common historical tradition;
(b) a racial or ethnic identity;
(c) cultural homogeneity;
(d) linguistic unity;
(e) religious or ideological affinity;
(f) territorial connection;
(g) common economic life.
All seven of which, (with the possible exception of item (b)) clearly apply to the Falkland Islanders
In addition to the above description, the UNESCO Experts added that: “the group must be of a certain number which need not be large…but which must be more than a mere association of individuals within a state”; the group as whole must have the will to be identified as a people or the consciousness of being a people…”; and “the group must have institutions or other means of expressing its common characteristics and will for identity.”
Again, this clearly applies to the Falkland Islanders
So it seems 'V' that UNESCO, a UN organisation which I suggest has more gravitas than the C24 or the UNCLCS, does indeed believe that the Falkland Islanders are a 'people'.
(30)...:The British people of Malvinas
Mar 28th, 2016 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) A common historical tradition... 98.5% British...
b) A racial or ethnic identity........... Mostly British...
c) Cultural homogeneity................... Totally British, except the dying Smoko...
d) Linguistic unity............................... 100% British Engrish...
e) Religious/ Ideological affinity......Anglicans & Church of Scotland = British...
f) Territorial connection................... Good ol' Blighty = British...
g) common economic life................. Pirating /Sheep herding = 110% British...
Next.....
So what Think, better than being Argentinian aint it?
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Failing economy
Corrupt police force and judiciary
Average salary only 40% of Falkland Islanders
Huge numbers living in poverty in shacks with no proper services or sanitation.
Street crime everwhere grilles on windows and gates around vehicles
Ramshackle transport system
Propaganda everywhere
Brainwashing in schools
Rampant inflation, failing currency
Speak out and risk assasination
Lovely place Argieland.
Who in their right mind would wish to join something like that.
Wrong tactics VoiceofThink
This was an ill-thought out plan by the UN.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will lead to wars.
It's time the USA stopped funding the UN. Its run by crazies and does nothing but cause problems. The $ is better spent elsewhere.
21 SebaSvtz
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0' now our share of ocean is bigger, '
No. The extension only applies to the continental shelf not the waters above the extension, which remain international waters. Your share of the ocean remains the same
@33. This is not a plan or politics. This is science.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some correct info about the region AVERAGE netto monthly income...:
Islas Malvinas, Argentina...: ~ £1,600.-
Santa Cruz, Argentina.........: ~ £1,300.-
Chubut, Argentina................: ~ £1,200.-
Magallanes, Chile..................: ~ £700.-
But.... don't take me word for it..... Google it...
A couple of things for those who, it seems to me, haven't read the article properly: The Argentine study started 20 years ago, in compliance with The Oceans and the Law of the Sea, with its respective conventions and agreements:
Mar 28th, 2016 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/Depts/los/index.htm
As dab14 says, this ONLY applies to the CONTINENTAL SHELF...
It also recognizes the existence of a dispute, which the UN has recognized since 1965 (See UN Resolution 2065, 12/16/1965). It doesn't imply that Argentina has sovereignty on the islands.
All those arguments of corruption, myths, etc, etc...are irrelevant and lack legal value, since it is not a requirement for country to be sovereign, to have a perfect type of government. Nobody in their right mind can deny the African countries, though mostly corrupted, their sovereignty and the right to govern themselves. Therefore, having corruption is not an argument to deny a country or a goup of peoples their sovereign rights.
Since Argentina is pioneer in this type of study, what other countries should do is ....well, they should do the same. They should revise if, based on climate change, new technologies etc, etc...the surface of their continental shelf has varied through the decades or centuries. If Britain disagrees, she should present their own studies and findings. Words and statements that have no support are just that...words.
@36
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBJHME1D__Y
really ??
(34) dab14763
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's not correct Mr. dab...
This UN decision streches the Argentinean EEZ from 200 to 350 Nautical Miles...
A lot of money in those waters...
And a lot of incoming challenges for them Brutish Pirates...
No. It only applies to the shelf, not the EEZ
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(38) Pomi, you are alive and kicking too!!!
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look Pom....
We are about 20 million civiiluchos down here that are getting tired of a certain person...
If you and some of your milico friends help us organize a Civico-Militar against him I can guarantee there will be 6 dozen sanguchitos triples de miga in it for you...
Deal??
Ps...
We could go up to 9 dozens...;-)
#15
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Normal metric system, Mr. Clyde15...
www.ellitoral.com/um/fotos/148427_11.jpg
Where are the metric measurements on this map ?
#20
Pure metrical system... No “elastic” miles here... ???????????
What has the metric system got to do with the statement below:-
”The shelf refers to the sea floor and subsoil from the 200 miles maritime zone up to the natural extension of the continental territory with a 350 miles limit.
If they had quoted Kms. then I would have couched my reply in that unit of measurement.
I think that you will find the Nautical Mile is the worldwide standard used in navigation, not the metric system. So you are stuck with the old IMPERIAL measurement if you want to navigate anywhere on the sea.
Also, air traffic reports altitude in feet and airspeed in knots -even Argentinian air traffic.
If I was wrong in my statement which I made using ONLY the article above, please point out my error in quoting miles instead of kms..
So at lone last, we remove all the argy crap and get down to the nitty gritty,
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0try to inforce it and see what happens,
besides all countries will now claim the rights of 350 odd miles,
and what chaos do you think will ensue,
sod it,
just let the military decide the outcome.
@37
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you mentioned this ONLY applies to the CONTINENTAL SHELF...so, why such a noise? Why are so many people angry?
It doesn't bother the Islanders at all....it is as if the UK controls the whole North Atlantic Ocean...it is not argentine business !!!
This issue is not islanders business...
The fun will start when the USA, Canada, Greenland, Norway and Russia start arguing about the seabed in the Arctic Ocean.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 @40
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A coastal nation has control of all resources on or under its continental shelf, living or not, but no control over any living organisms above the shelf that are beyond its exclusive economic zone.”
Mr. dab is factually correct.
I doubt that he will be holding his breath, waiting for acknowledgement from Mr. Think.
“This acknowledgement means the UN accept there is a dispute over the South Atlantic islands”...Is it true?....wow...it might be the time to grow....
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think! Google Argie pitances err.. Salaries I did http://www.tradingeconomics.com/argentina/wages
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 012124 Pesos at 20 to the £? Thats £606 per month whereas by your own figures its £1600 for Falklanders. So, you just proved its even worse than I said!
Would you care to comment on the other disadvantages enjoyed by Argentines?
(46) NFLD
Mar 28th, 2016 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WELL... That's precisely one of the old articles of the convention this new UN decision is changing...
(48) Anglo Turnip
You must know how to read before you can Google....
I specifically wrote the average netto income from my Argentinean PROVINCE OF CHUBUT and a couple of NEIGHBOUR PROVINCES...
.
It doesn't bother the Islanders at all....it is as if the UK controls the whole North Atlantic Ocean...it is not argentine business !!!
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed.
interesting how one knows where the end of the shelf is,
and if indeed it belongs to the argies rather than the islanders.
all good fun for the world to laugh at.
oh by the way, can Argentina claim the air above the south Atlantic, or have I just opened another Pandora's box..
Think, and I am looking at the AVERAGE over the whole of Argieland you Turpid Turnip. Do try to keep up. I am sure Argies would severely disadvantage Falkland Islanders if the EVER got the opportunity to colonise the islands, which you won't.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please comment on my other observations of your 3rd world existence. Theres only so much cardboard one can collect. :-)
For those who don't know. United Nations does not recognize Las Malvinas (Falklands) as British territory, nor self-determination of islanders. That's a fact. United Nations recognized that there is a dispute between Agrentina and Uk over the islands. UK refuses to comply with the UN resolutions that say both countries should dialoge about the conflict. That's a fact.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,Deputy minister Foradori.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, “Argentina will not exercise these rights over territories and maritime spaces which the United Kingdom is administrating unilaterally since 1833”.
Foradori added that this “is not a sovereignty dispute,
1833
thus Argentina now acknowledges British control for nearly 200 years,
and is NOT a sovereignty dispute,
how long before that do a u turn.
Think @49 @40
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WELL ...... no it isn't. Previously you were just wrong; now you're just making sh*t up. Nowhere does it even imply such. Anywhere.
”(34) dab14763
That's not correct Mr. dab...
This UN decision streches the Argentinean EEZ from 200 to 350 Nautical Miles...”
You are 100% factually incorrect.
You know, your head doesn't implode if you admit you were simply mistaken. It can actually be an emancipating experience. Should try it; you might like it.
@36 Think
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.entfernungsrechner.net/en/city/3845073
Malvinas Argentinas is a partido in Buenos Aires Province, Argentina. So they earn the equivalent of GBP1.600 net monthly - so what?
The average annual income in the Falklands in 2012 was GBP21,000 - GBP1,700 monthly - a slight improvement, ¿no cierto?
”(46) NFLD
Mar 28th, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WELL... That's precisely one of the old articles of the convention this new UN decision is changing...”
Only about the shelf.
If you read UNCLOS in the section that deals with the EEZ there's no mention of extending it while there is in the section that deals with the shelf.
In fact the section on the shelf clearly says the following:
Article78
Legal status of the superjacent waters and air space and the rights and freedoms of other States
1. The rights of the coastal State over the continental shelf do not affect the legal status of the superjacent waters or of the air space above those waters.
Nor is there any mention of it applying to the EEZ at the CLCS website
From the CLCS website see illustration that clearly shows legal shelf beyond 200nmi, but no extension of EEZ.
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/marinezones.jpg
@55 dab14763
Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't confuse him with the facts and such. That's not fair play.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We pillage, we plunder, we rifle and loot.
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot.
Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
@41 jajajaja !!! nice chatting with you again Sr Think !! I have enough with Donald Trump :-)
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only reason Argentina would try this stunt is because their Country is on the brink of a catastrophic financial disaster. The previous leader Christine Kirchner virtually bankrupt them and now they need to get a quick fix.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is widely known that the attempt on our sovereignty is not because they feel they have an historic right to our land but one of financial greed . They know that it is only a matter of time before the oil will be extracted and they want it for themselves.
The truth is Argentina has never had any right to our Island’s or it’s continental shelf and to try and include South Georgia and south Sandwich Islands is just asking for trouble. They have never accepted that we have rights to live on the Islands and in spite of their world pledge they absolutely hate Falkland Islanders and that is why they do what they do to ty and make life difficult.
The best response to this would be for our LMA’s to shut them out of the Islands , refuse to allow them access to the Argentine cemetery and see just how much they like it. As someone has said what is good for the goose is good for the Gander.
To Mr. dab14763 and Mr. NFLD...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My bad...
After some reading..., I willingly admit that i was mistaken...
Actual situation is that Argentina keeps its normal 200 MILES EEZ... PLUS AN EXTRA 150 MILES EEZ OVER THE SEABED BUT ***EXCLUDING*** EXCLUSIVE FISHING RIGHTS OVER THE WATERS ABOVE IT...
However... having just skimmed some scientific studies, documents and press articles from several of the Countries that are currently applying or have gotten an extension of their continental shelf EEZ to 350 miles..., it becomes clear that their declared intention is to gain full fishing rights on those new waters at the first given opportunity....
Regards
El Think
the uk extracting resources from what is now internationally accepted argentinean territory without paying due taxes is a shocking example of colonialism in the 21 century.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the argentinean government should start as from today sending the bill to london.
(59) Tell you what, Menendez...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you take both Macri and Strumpf...., I'll break the piggybank, double my offer and give you...:
Tres docenas de crudo y palmitos...
Tres docenas de pavita y queso...
Tres docenas de anchoas y huevo...
Y tres docenas de roquefort y nueces... Del Tortoni, por supus...
Deal....?
@54 NFLD
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, Sir.
Keep that creep Thinky from drawing erroneous lazy conclusions.
Mr. DerkeBlake would be proud of you!!
@64 Troy
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I am sure he would be. Just occasionally watching the henhouse while mrB is chasing Steelhead. I will be having a pint or ten with DB and his boy in Singapore in three weeks.
I find it charming how Mr. Ts ego insists upon creating a caveat to serve along with his admission. Just switch continental shelf from a noun to an adjective for EEZ so as to attempt to alter the true definition of EEZ. Close, no cigar.
It must be harsh going through life so delicately.
Seems to be a lot of self-abuse going on here.
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It should be noted that the UN Commission has yet to publish its report and that the map produced by the Arg Government is unlikely to be accurate as the UN's official press release made plain -
”At the plenary level, the Commission adopted, without a vote, two sets of recommendations, namely the recommendations in respect to the submission made by Argentina, and the recommendations in respect to the submission made by Iceland in respect of the Ægir Basin area and in the western and southern parts of Reykjanes Ridge. With regard to the recommendations in respect of the submission made by Argentina, it is recalled that, previously, the Commission had already decided that it was not in a position to consider and qualify those parts of the submission that were subject to dispute and those parts that were related to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica (see CLCS/64, paras. 76 and 77 and CLCS/76 para. 57).”
The Arg map indicates areas below 60 degrees S latitude which would be a breach of the Antarctic Treaty.
I suggest everyone should stop believing Argie blather, and await something from the UN.
Not that the UK has paid much attention to the UN on anything to do with the southern British territories in the last 30-odd years.
@31
Mar 28th, 2016 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you see Mr Think being unable to contradict UNESCO's definition of what is a people you, in your normal way try to ridicule it but I would expect no more from you.
@62 Troneas - don't be an idiot 'laddie' the UK doesn't extract anything from what 'is now internationally accepted Argentine territory' because it isn't either 'internationally recognised' nor is it 'territory' as territory indicates land not sea nor continental shelf
tHINK,
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The term EEZ refers to the waters, not the shelf even though a shelf of a state is a zone that has economic potential which is exclusive to the state. Or to an NSGT.
150nmi extra is the maximum possible provided the shelf extends that far or further. Will be less if it doesn't. No idea if the shelf extends that far all along where the CLCS has made a recommendation.
Extending the EEZ beyond 200nmi would require another UNCLOS
Recognised as a 'people' by the UN since 1952
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no NSGTs without a people in need of the attainment of a full measure of self-government. A territory without a people cannot be a NSGT.
Resolution 567 (VI) (1952) states; “ The territories which are covered by Chapter XI of the Charter are those territories whose people have not yet attained a full measure of self-government.”
The Falklands are a Territory covered by Chapter XI.
Simple enough, even for old Think.
(68) dab 14763
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well.....
The use of the term “Exrension of their EEZ” in many papers and documents from diverse Countries applying to the UN for an “Extension of their Continental Shelf” (Argentina included) is what got me confused in the first place...
It is clear for me however that this is not a “mistake” from their part, but a clear indication of their strategy of extending their EEZ's all the way to 350 miles at the first chance...
A strategy I totally agree with, by the way...
I too look forward to the FIG extending its EEZ to 350 miles
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Soooo.....is the UN saying it's Argentine oil the islanders are drilling for...or not...
Mar 28th, 2016 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 072
Mar 29th, 2016 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0No.
All the UN has said, is here - http://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sea2030.doc.htm
Mar 29th, 2016 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Commission report is yet to be published.
What Argentina have done, it appears, is to produce a map based upon a 350 mile limit from what they claim. Not what they actually possess.
The map takes Argentina well into Antarctic Treaty territory.
This is just spin. Let's see what the actual Commission report says.
72 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Mar 29th, 2016 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since the ICJ is the only organ that is vested with the authority to determine such an issue and is on record as stating the following. It would follow that “…or not…” is the only outcome. I wouldn't place to much reliance on the UN CLCS which is merely a scientific commission invested with no legal authority.
”International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contrary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”” p.74
The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...By Roberto C. Laver
England has run out of excuses
Mar 29th, 2016 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas Islands lie in Argentinian waters, rules UN commission”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/29/falkland-islands-argentina-waters-rules-un-commission
“Fury as United Nations bureaucrats rule islands 'lie in Argentine waters'
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/29/falkland-islands-argentina-waters-rules-un-commission
”UN ruling expands Argentine maritime territory to include Malvinas Islands”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/29/falkland-islands-argentina-waters-rules-un-commission
What the UN actually said MorecRap =
Mar 29th, 2016 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the plenary level, the Commission adopted, without a vote, two sets of recommendations, namely the recommendations in respect to the submission made by Argentina, and the recommendations in respect to the submission made by Iceland in respect of the Ægir Basin area and in the western and southern parts of Reykjanes Ridge. With regard to the recommendations in respect of the submission made by Argentina, it is recalled that, previously, the Commission had already decided that it was not in a position to consider and qualify those parts of the submission that were subject to dispute and those parts that were related to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica (see CLCS/64, paras. 76 and 77 and CLCS/76 para. 57
NOT IN A POSITION TO CONSIDER
Stop relying on newspapers.
Game over Roger :-)
Mar 29th, 2016 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol
Mar 29th, 2016 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's been over since 1833 MoreCrap
Mar 29th, 2016 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@78
Mar 29th, 2016 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos
As usual, late to the game, and ridiculously easily dismissed ...
Probably the stupidest Troll ever... oh, wait... now there's Marko, as well :-D
There is no such thing as an EEZ beyond 200nm. It is considered the High Seas. This graphic by Geoscience Australia will help to understand what Argentina may have gained.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ga.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0012/15132/GA17422.gif
From my understanding they have not gained anything more than any other country has asked for.
I see Think is attempting to cover his blunder of claiming an expanded EEZ by trying to then redefine what an EEZ is (“Actual situation is that Argentina keeps its normal 200 MILES EEZ... PLUS AN EXTRA 150 MILES EEZ OVER THE SEABED BUT ***EXCLUDING*** EXCLUSIVE FISHING RIGHTS OVER THE WATERS ABOVE IT...”) and then trying to further bolster his false claim with this:
“However... having just skimmed some scientific studies, documents and press articles from several of the Countries that are currently applying or have gotten an extension of their continental shelf EEZ to 350 miles”
Skimmed indeed!
Which countries have been given an EEZ beyond 200nm?
The truth is : Nobody wants the islands
Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody wants the oil and resources. Bit like Iraq.
Argentina could use this Finding to form a means of direct discussions with the UK. Squid Pro Quo...
Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The truth is : Nobody wants the islands
Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody wants the oil and resources. Bit like Iraq.”
Well that isn't working out too well considering it is the Islanders that are getting all that.
FAIL!
Marcos & Marko,
Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Crow all that you like.
Pat each other on the back, even.
Smiles all around.
Despite your wet dreams & warm fuzzy feelings, you still DO NOT possess the Falklands & NEVER will do either.
Don't take it too hard, amigos.
You never really stood a chance.
@63 Trump, no can do !
Mar 29th, 2016 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 018,000 dead by the MONTOS and this guy is throwing flowers at the river ? .... give me a break !!! “el Mau” is making the “ grieta” bigger .... Sr Think , for a couple of pizzas from los Inmortales ( con faina por favor) I would do Moreno, Hebe, Kunkel ... sigo ?? :-)
A Buenos Aires newspaper claims that have already made deals exploitation of oil more than 10 companies OF CHINA, RUSSIA AND THE UNITED STATES. The film is called “SURROUNDED” HAHA
Mar 29th, 2016 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@88
Mar 29th, 2016 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fantasising about the white flags (14/6/1982) over Stanley again?
(87) Menendez
Mar 29th, 2016 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would I pay so much for a service you willingly would provide gratis...?
ßeré un zurdito de m***da.........pero no soy ningun boludo...;-)
My generous offer was directed at the mercenary in you, pebete...and it'still standing...
124 sanguchitos fresquisimos..... if you take Macri to Waco, Tejas...
We can drop the anchovies...if you don't like them!
Tempted..... huhhhhhh?
jajajaja
Mar 29th, 2016 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British falklands.
Mar 29th, 2016 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 083 'Moderator'
Mar 29th, 2016 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The truth is : Nobody wants the islands
Everybody wants the oil and resources. '
'Please can I have some.?'
Think
Mar 29th, 2016 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any references on “several of the Countries that are currently applying or have gotten an extension of their continental shelf EEZ to 350 miles”
I'd really love to know which counties have ”gotten” it.
Or will you ignore this claim so I can bring it up like your other false claims I have exposed?
#thinkfail
So turns out this is all just a pack of lies from the Argentine government & the UN has done no such thing. Priceless.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Outstanding victory of our diplomats. Now kelpers start looking for a new hom.e
Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@96 JIB
Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the area shown extending from Argentina is to the North of the Islands, and does not include the Islands, how do you class this a victory?
Can you read a map?
If not, it's quite easy to learn.
Is this the same victory you had in 1982 by invading the Falklands, whilst forgetting that three months later you were booted off?
But I forget, a loss in Argentinian terms, means a victory doesn't it?
Wrong,
Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its not recognised by the UK and its not enforceable as you will see.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
Mar 30th, 2016 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://es.mercopress.com/2016/03/30/ban-ki-moon-la-comision-de-limites-de-plataforma-no-considera-ni-califica-partes-sujetas-a-disputa
UN quote:- Wednesday, 30 as March as 2016 - 4:20 UTC
Mar 30th, 2016 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ban Ki-moon: the platform boundary commission “does not consider or qualify” parts subject to dispute
In response to Argentinean sea lebensraum, neighboring countries should increase naval defenses by 35%.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Argentina has in effect screwed it up again.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see Think has abandoned this thread. Have to chase that answer elsewhere.
Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 Skip
Mar 31st, 2016 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Well that isn't working out too well considering it is the Islanders that are getting all that.”
Truth is you are now drilling in argie waters. Pay up I would say.
@104 Mod,
Mar 31st, 2016 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Try to make us! lol!
And guess what?
We are going to continue drilling & you can't do anything about it.
Oh, btw- they are not your waters.
Have a nice frustrating day.
@105
Mar 31st, 2016 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We are going to continue drilling & you can't do anything about it.”
No, but the rest of the Civilised World will.
By het way, who is “we”. The fallen British Empire? The drunken hoards in Europe's holiday ressorts?
Welcome to the world.
@104
Mar 31st, 2016 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Truth is you are now drilling in argie waters.”
Not according to the UN map-it shows an extension to the Argentine continental shelf to the North of the Falkland Islands.
One of the reasons Argentina lost the Falklands war is they could not read maps, and had very little clues about Islands they claimed were theirs!
If Argentine schools taught map reading instead of Nazi indoctrination that has its schoolchildren raising arms Hitler style, you might be able to see that the UN declaration does not include any British territory in the South Atlantic.
“No, but the rest of the Civilised World will.”
You mean the countries that are little more than dictatorships that support Argentina, like China Iran, Syria?
Better get them to hold your hands before the T45 engines are replaced, your window of opportunity is very narrow.
I guess at this very moment Syria is getting some ships ready to help Argentina, your problem is they have further to come than those from the UK.
Oh yes and I suppose your civilised help includes Cuba and Venezuela, where according to an under cover documentary screened this week, prisoners run the prisons there.
Madurine sending you any aircraft or ships then?
Good luck and make sure your friends have plenty of white flags in their kit bags.
“Truth is you are now drilling in argie waters”
Mar 31st, 2016 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..erm.. no they aren't - the truth is that you've been conned, yet again, by your government, into believing something that is not true.
Its so sad to see people so desperate for something to happen that they will believe anything told to them if it even appears to make that desperate something come true.
Well,
Mar 31st, 2016 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently Argentina's going to do this,
then she is going to do that,
then she might send in these or that
she owns it all now, so she will send in the coast guard and her navy to inforce her territory,
then she will inforce this with her air force and her soldiers,
oh and the subs, never forget the subs,
now Argentina has told us what she will or will not do,
all she has to do now, is take all this information and dreams down of the drawing board and put it into action,
and we wait, the world waits , the islanders wait,
we are all waiting,
I thought so, NOTHING.
You dont understand we give a damn about your british colony, you have no right to be here, go fight the north pole with the russians, or take back the US. Disregard us all you want, you wont be able to defend these islands forever.
Apr 01st, 2016 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@110 Luke Gollum
Apr 01st, 2016 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We wants it - give it to us now, or we will steal it from nasty Hobbitses, later... !”
@110 LukeDig,
Apr 01st, 2016 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't give a damn about what you don't give a damn for.
We have every right to be here, while you have none.
We like the Russians, so why would we fight them?
We don't want the US.
Well some parts of it are nice, but we wouldn't want the lot, with all its problems.
We will disregard you, its not hard to do.
We may not be able to defend these islands forever but we will certainly be able to defend them forever against your pathetic country.
Will any more “pearls of wisdom”fall from your mouth?
ldiota.
@112 Take a deep breath and let it out ... now count until 100,000 until blood pressure goes down ! lol
Apr 01st, 2016 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0110 LukeDig
Apr 01st, 2016 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't give a damn
You don’t give a damn abt us not giving a damn abt you,
We don't give a damn that you don’t give a damn abt us,
And we don’t care..
,
Lukedig is just one more Malvinista malcontent with good English posting on MP?
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Makes one wonder if he is really Argentine.
Makes one wonder if he is really “Lukedig”
or just another sock?
Well you see, I´m argentine, born and bred. And, my dear Isolde, do not underestimate us please... Do not forget your empire attemped to invade us twice and we busted them out. Secondly, you have an earnest faith that Argentina will never become a military or economic power, not even in the next centuries...
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if you are so good at reading the future play the lottery dear, maybe you can win a million squids, or a trip to Antarctica. It´s so cold you can lose weight even eating chocolate. Smug girls love chocolate.
@116
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0boring
@116 LukeDig,
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a devastating reply……
l'm overwhelmed, speechless & er, devastated. lol!
What are you, first, second or third generation RG?
Your ancestors were probably in Sicily or Croatia when the British carried out their failed raid on SPANISH BsAs in 1807.
But if it makes you feel all macho, then claim it by all means.
Anyway, we got our revenge when we made a fortune out of Argentina in the 19th century & when we kicked your dopey asses out of the Falklands in 1982.
That still hurts, doesn't it, Lukeyboy?
Suck it up, baby.
@113 - Artill, adding “lol” doesn't make your BS funny. Indeed, you're a laughing stock but funny, not so much.
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for you being Argie born and bred, no you're not sunshine. You're Spanish, implanted from Europe to South America where you butchered the indigenous. Stop talking out of your backside, boy.
“Do not under estimate us” you plead.. well, try giving the world reason not to and perhaps that will change. As it stand, there is no reason what so ever not to. Deal with it.
Argie born and bred.. I take it back, you ARE funny!
Since you english are very insistent on the matter of being an “implanted population”, where are the celts then? Maybe you are descendant of some murdering saxon who stole lands? or maybe a raiding viking?
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain didn´t butcher the indigenous, not at the same scale the english did around the world with indigenous populations, not to mention the utter extermination your little boys the US did.
Most aboriginals in south america died of virus and disease from europe, as latest DNA studies prove. Secondly, our gracious ancestors mated and sometimes married with aboriginal people, or even the negro slaves, that´s where the term “mulato” comes. Most people where mulato during the wars of independence in Argentina.
Can we say the same about the places where the english went? Are there mulatos in US, India, the caribbean, etc? I think not, since your culture has such bigotry and despise for other races... And yet you got the guts to talk to us about murder and destruction of cultures. Remember what you did to China?
By the way, the english invasions were not “raids” they were invasions, read the english newspapers of the time, they cry about not being able to submit the population.
And yes, you stole from us, and of course, since you are so mature and good natured people, like the present and the past depict so well, you naturally laugh at it.
Hell, I would bet a lung or two that planet earth would have been so much better without the inmoral, savage, murderous english people.
@120 “Lukedig”
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and yet, our societies are much more culturally diverse than your own, with people's from all over the world emigrating, and others wanting to.
1807 ?
Wasn't Spain. at war with England?
There was no Argentina.
Funny that you admit you had blacks as slaves and used them predominantly to fight your wars.
Brazil has a large population of Blacks.
What happened to yours?
While we're at it - very gracious of you to take aboriginal infants into your homes.
What did their parents think of that? - IF they are still alive.
I suppose the Junta was not all bad. Millions of ordinary Argentines cheered their support of Galtieri and the Argentine junta when they sent 11,000 troops to invade and occupy a island of 2,500 civilians and oppress the population.
But I see your point, if Britain did 'bad things' at one time, it is quite alright for Argentina to do equally as bad and amoral acts.
I think we all understand that.
@119
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who the fuck are you and who is talking to you moron ? do you want the LOL at the end or not ??
@122.
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
@122 Take a deep breath and let it out ... now count until 100,000 until blood pressure goes down ! lol
Apr 02nd, 2016 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0121 Troy Tempest (#)
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0A) Culturally diverse? I read england´s newspapers, and I knock myself out of bigotry, theres bigotry even at job applications on england, low class chaps, even well educated, don´t get jobs because their language and culture doesn´t match the elite´s. I guess we should not start investigating further in the bigotry subject in order not to shame you excessively, I´m kinda fond of you.
Your country may receive many hungry migrants, and proudly, they are hungry while you spend trillions on a nuclear submarine system. Doesn´t it give you shame? I would be much ashamed.
Last, but not least, in Argentina migrants of any race or country of origin are welcomed openly, here, any foreigner without needing papers, can even operate himself for free and study at our universities for free. Chileans are known for coming in thousands to study at our universities. We can´t say the same about england, where you are denied entrance for any reason, if they dont find a reason they´ll invent it.
B) Brazil had a large population of blacks because their economy was mainly about sugarcane. The slaves where supplied by their allies the good english people, keen to respect the self determination of blacks.
Argentina had little use for black slaves, since most of our economy went around cows, hence we used the gauchos, whom are “criollos”, meaning mixture between spaniard and indian.
C) Paraguayans called our soldiers (and still mock to the present our people so) “Curepí” wich means “Pig skinned”, as a mockery to the pink skin of the argentinian soldiers. Do black people have skin the same color as pig´s? Maybe in england they do thats why you are confused?
D) Our black population became “mulatos”, mixture of criollos and black.
Indian women where shagged by spaniard gauchos who lived from field to field, thats why the country was filled with criollos, not with aborigin kids kidnapped.
E) What other way you propose we, at Argentina, do to get our land back?
@125
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0What planet are you from?
@125 LukeDig,
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0All out?
Feel better now?
What “land back” are you talking about?
Perhaps you mean the land that Argentina stole from Paraguay in 1871?
Or maybe you mean the land that Argentina stole from the native Amerindians in Patagonia?
After killing most of them of course.
How great-hearted of you!
l'm sure that the few surviving Amerindians & the Paraguayans would love to get their stolen land back.
Land stolen by Argentina.
btw- its a pity that the RAIDS of 1807 didn't succeed.
Argentina would be a prosperous, stable country today much like Canada or Australia, instead of the mess that you have now.
Don't take my word for it, ask your countrymen.
Quite a few Argentines, on here, have stated this & lamented about it.
#12
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What other way you propose we, at Argentina, do to get our land back?
Your whole argument is predicated by the unproven assumption that the land belongs to Argentina. You THINK it does but have failed to prove it so.
It has been said ad nauseum that if you wish it proven, take it to the ICJ for a ruling.
This your country has singularly failed to do.
Mon chere Isolde, you should take a good look at Del Valle´s paintings about the patagonian amerindians, we Argentinians were too fed up of the chilean indians who had already exterminated the natives at patagonia... These new indians, the Araucans, had learned spanish war tactics, and were too keen at raiding.
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They kidnapped and enslaved innocent women, and killed the men and children, stole all the cattle they could, and trafficked it at Chile, sh-t people country if there is one, who were so thankful people for the independence we Argentinians gifted them, they repayed us by giving prizes to these Araucans to raid us over and over again, with much human loss to us.
Previous presidents before the Desert Expedition, attempted to dig a ditch, or construct a series of forts, but the indians destroyed and debunked these proyects. Thats why they had to be taken out, and without any mercy at all, after over a century of raiding nonstop, it was them or us, and the good ol´american rifles, were good at it.
You want to talk about Paraguay? Let´s talk about them. England bullied Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay to attack Paraguay because they were “protectionists”... Paraguay had an incipient and prosperous industry, something that gives the english headaches, because they wanted to have the monopoly on industrial production, and keep us latins as their f*cking farmers.
Howdy, dear? We killed them on your command, ask your lords, your kings and queens why they wanted a piece of Paraguay.
Lastly, I´m not asking some deluded fools if they prefer to be ransacked again by a foreign power. Like we would get the treatment Canada or Australia got, being some latinos and the english the bigots they are.
Clyde: I haven´t failed to prove it. These islands are on our continental shelf, they were occupied by argentines expelled by force of arms centuries ago. You have no right on islands on our continental shelf, and specially no right in Antarctica.
129 LukeDig
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity...
On the contrary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,” p.74 The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine... By Roberto C. Laver
The Argentine occupation of the Islands in 1832 was by the use of force of arms by the placement of a garrison. Argentine duplicity is abundantly clear as it was done in violation of two diplomatic protests by the British. Argentine silence meant legal acquiescence of the British claim. “..silence gives consent. In law, the silence of a party implies his consent… Thus, who keeps silent consents; silence means consent; silent consent is same as expressed consent; consent by conduct is as good as expressed consent. This is an implied term in law....”
SOMA'S DICTIONARY OF LATIN QUOTATIONS MAXIMS AND PHRASES A Compendium Of Latin Thought And Rhetorical Instruments For The Speaker Author And Legal Practitioner
@129 Lukey aka Think
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your 'history' is nothing but a jumbled apologist timeline of jealousies, resentment, and Iberian squabbling.
The anti-English theme is very consistent though.
Perhaps the most interesting story is the influence of the vile English in the affairs of the South Americans.
To think that by your account, the temerity of the avaricious English to “invade” Bueno Aires in 1807 should be so ably frustrated by the Latin colonists.
Then, to think those same brave, resolute, and proud Latins of three nations, the Triple Alliance, could be “forced” by the incompetent English to wage a war against their Latin hermanos of Paraguay in 1871.
And to think that after all this time, and the English having withdrawn to their island fortress since the 1940's, no restitution has been made to Paraguay.
In fact there are some who say that the situation suits the nations of the River Plate quite nicely.
#129
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still have proved nothing. Yes Argentina invaded the Falklands by putting a military garrison there when the territory belonged to the UK. We removed it, rightly so. see#130
What right has Argentina to ANTARCTICA ? The UK was one of the first countries along with Norway to explore the continent. The USA set up it's base at the South Pole. Are you going to tell them they have no right to be there ?
I can imagine THEIR reply.
Show us a web site with copies of all this evidence you have,
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Evidence is all that is required,
nothing else..
LukeDig,
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're just so full of it.
l'll take you on face value that you are not that arch-snake, Think, although “ah hae ma doots”.
You are no doubt correct that the Patagonians were raiding the rump state of Argentina.
Why?, because you Argentines were invading their land.
You had already taken the northern part of todays Argentina from the lndians & were expanding southwards.
So its OK for Argentina to defend themselves, but not OK for the people being invaded by Argentina--is that it? Typical RG hypocrisy.
What did you expect them to do?
You've completely lied about Paraguay.
Even if it was true & its not, you still occupy Paraguayan land.
When will it be returned? Soon?
lts NOT your continental shelf & you do NOT own Antarctica.
Those things are all in your head.
You have to break the cycle of this feeling of victimhood.
Many posters on here have told you to “grow up” & they are correct.
You RGs act like spoilt children.
Then you wonder why no one takes you seriously.
@134 Isolde
Apr 03rd, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, and yes I think you are right about Luke being Thinks newest puppet.
With each new persona they introduce, comes the opportunity to forward the same old lies and ask the same old questions that were put to rest multiple times before.
Luke being Thinks newest puppet
Apr 04th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0one of many, one thinks...
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