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UN announcement has no implications on sovereignty over the Falklands.

Tuesday, March 29th 2016 - 19:48 UTC
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A statement released earlier this afternoon from the Falkland Islands Government regarding the UN announcement of the extension of the Argentine continental shelf states that the announcement makes “no adjudication on the sovereignty of the Falkland Island and has no implications for the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands”. Read full article

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  • Think

    TWIMC
    Article says...:
    “However, the effects of this UN announcement are already being felt by British oil companies with interests in the Falklands, with share prices in both Premier Oil PLC and Rockhopper Exploration PLC falling by more than 7%.”

    Correction...:
    However, the effects of this UN announcement are already being felt by British oil companies with interests in the Falklands, with share prices in both Premier Oil PLC and Rockhopper Exploration PLC falling by more than 8.5%.

    We are getting closer Mr. OBE, MLA Summers...
    Luckily for you, you have your petit residence in the south of france to retire...

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    VoiceofThink the Dunoon dwelling Neanderthal knuckle dragging Turnip that obviously doesnt have any experience holding shares. If share prices go down its a potential buying opportunity. The current value only matters if you want to sell and that will be when the wells are all gushing. Doh! You are really thick! No wonder your homeland is in the pickies. With folk like you though its not really surprising.

    Tried the Gourock cruise yet Turnip?

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    so, in all likelihood, this will be clarified to “excluding those area under dispute” .. and will then form, for the future, the same relationship as any other two countries sharing the same shelf. i.e. you own that bit, we own that bit and we happen to share a continental shelf

    (a lot of places do)

    Not sure why this has anybody dancing in the streets of BA, but they are going to be sorely disappointed shortly (yet again).

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeee.............................., I have plenty experience holding shares!!!

    Some years ago... a jolly good poster in here was kind enough to introduce me to capitalism investing in some South Atlantic Borders & Southern Petroleum shares under my name....

    I Think he paid about a Pound Sterling each at the time...
    I Think they are worth around a Penny today...

    I can chuckle about that...
    I don't Think British investors can...

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    Argentine S(h)elf Abuse

    Right up Thinks St I suspect.

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Utterly amazing that Argie Turnips are so willing to exhibit their ignorance on public forums. The rock throwing tyre burning mob are obviously of very limited intelligence but when their top troll VoiceofThink exposes himself to ridicule like this… Bahahahaha Dumbkopf! Never been a contrarian Think? Thats why you have to save up to take the Gourock ferry! With an income of only £375 a month its not surprising is it? By the way have you finished those plans for Mrs Camerons kitchen extension yet. If not why not?

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think - if a few dumb idiots believed what Argentina(not the UN) said on Monday - and panic sold - more fool them!
    I imagine all oil shares a bit low and likely to easy fall these days every time a sparrow farts. Give it a year or two and prices rising again - it will be a different story.
    More fool all those who fell for the Argy stunt statement yesterday - I do admit to you though - it shows the British media is just as gullible and as more interested in a “story” rather than the truth - just like yours!

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Amazingly perceptive of Argentina to have predicted the current oil market and the fall in the oil price when they introduced their submission back in April 2009.

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    I see Think has changed his initial jubilant posts regarding. This matter I concentrate on that old dead cat of share prices.

    He has obviously read up a little more instead of taking his government's word for it.

    What a difference a day makes.

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dont mess with the British

    With regard to the recommendations in respect of the submission made by Argentina, it is recalled that, previously, the Commission had already decided that it was not in a position to consider and qualify those parts of the submission that were subject to dispute and those parts that were related to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica (see CLCS/64, paras. 76 and 77 and CLCS/76 para. 57).

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sea2030.doc.htm

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    So, nothing more than economic terrorism by Argentina then Think?

    Why should I be surprised.

    The truth will out, old man, and argentina will be a buggered as it was before.

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Oil for the Falklanders is like icing on the cake. They had the highest GDP per person before oil and they'll have it without it.
    They've made a lot of money without even selling a drop of it.

    Compare that to Argentina.

    They have some of the largest reserves around and they have to import most of their fuel.
    And that won't change for the next decade.
    They are killing themselves, destroying their soil all for a few barrels of oil and gas.
    Trading food for oil
    Not a great long term plan.
    Is it?

    Mar 29th, 2016 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Bless him...he's all smiles again....

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Hmm - may be a good time to buy some shares :-)

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • claudio_laplata

    How strange that the British feel they are above the laws of nations and the laws of God. Soon they will be surrounded by ships CHINA, RUSSIA AND THE UNITED STATES! HAHA

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    14 Roger Lorton

    https://twitter.com/SusanaMalcorra/status/714509844577968128/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Get used to it:-)

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejo

    Marquitos Alejandrito - your usual juvenility!

    It seems Argentina may be getting excited over nothing!

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Believe your politicians do you MoreCrap? How naive.

    https://theconversation.com/falklands-row-adds-up-to-much-ado-about-not-much-in-the-south-atlantic-56956

    get used to the truth

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I think that this has been a probably the best example of how the Argentines go about their business. Someone has got all of this very wrong. I have seen what the UN have said but I do not see anything in it that would give Argentina cause for celebration regarding sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
    The area does not include the Falklands EEZ, the UN only considered an area of sea north of the Falklands.

    In any event, at the end of the day the UK is a permanent member of the security council. If it was a matter that came to the UN assembly (which it has not) then we would just VETO it.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • georgeneurus

    artilc 76 convemar:othe right of natios to extend their platform from 200 to 350.we showed it lortontito, and soil and subsoil aren't under dispute. lortonto, and clcs do that , besid the analisis they can accept the new states with a new territoriality...britworker: no dumb weak, under dispute isn't part , what is part of it is down sea.....in some areas goes to 350 ans some others less.noting to veto, article 76 state it, and all nation can do it.LUCIFER: Lucifer and hiscake, tell me where the squats are getting oil now?? and what hight standard they have?? another propaganda form the pirates, the minimum salary in the island now is 20000 dollars even little less, and mike summer send his dumb subdits to stroll down south America to convince the presidents to make business with them-jaaaaaaa no such thing cause a nation cant deal with an island , at their best is just try to do some business with some privates, thast it.tell us where is the big money Lucifer??.... ALEJO: alejito, pelotudito, lee la coomvemar, boludaso..

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @20
    You seem to be confused. A commission of geologists accepted that the South American continental plate extends out to where the submitted data say it does. Nothing else happened. Perhaps the Argentine strategy is to pretend to the world that you were granted areas under dispute in the hope that it applies pressure on the British and on the FIs. But why would it? Since every other coastal state in the world made their own submissions to the UN then they all understand perectly that the CLCS does not deal with or allocate disputed areas. It is only the ICJ that could advance your sovereignty claim and we all know why you won't go there. If this is the case then it would be a shame that your new governement has resorted to traditional tactics since they market themselves as trying something new. Hopefully it was just a blip.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @16

    You seem to be having some difficultly with the difference between what Argentina claimed, and what the UN accepted. This should help:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cex6df8WIAAfgIj.jpg

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zool

    So turn out it's just all been the fantasy of another deluded lying Argentine Government & the UN has done no such thing.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (21) MR. Redrow...
    The Argentinean official information about this new development has been quite sober and correct...
    The same can't be said about the Brutish sensationalist press! They are almost sending the fleet :-)))

    Anyhow..., we are with a helping hanx from the UN, closing in, from north and south, on them British pirates and squatters...

    By the way...You say that...:
    ”All (states n. a.) understand perfectly that the CLCS does not deal with or allocate disputed areas.”

    I say...:
    Well... Not all...:
    http://www.un.org/depts/los/clcs_new/submissions_files/submission_gbr_45_2009.htm
    And that is exactly one of the beauties of this UN decison...
    After it..., they can not do other than plainly reject the British submission for the Malvinas an other South Atlantic Islands, because, as you correctly say, the CLCS does not deal with or allocate disputed areas...

    Yet another nail in Britain's South Atlantic colonial coffin...

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @20
    I feel a bit sorry for you and your country. You are a people that survive day to day in a regime of lies and confusion, smoke and mirrors, fantasy and a systemic lack of ability to grasp the truth when they hear it.

    The UN did not and cannot consider the area of the Falklands EEZ in Argentina's continental shelf expansion.

    If you are so confident, lets see how quick Macri is to send what you call a navy into British waters.

    http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/our-organisation/the-fighting-arms/submarine-service#fleet-submarines

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Ah… VoiceofThink the Neanderthal knuckle dragger of Dunoon surfaces 2 hours later than usual. Once again proving without doubt that he is not in Chubut but sojourning in the safety of Britain. Still emitting poisonous falsehoods, distortions and a serial lies. You will never go to heaven!
    If Macri takes up these lies and distortions it just puts his case to be reincluded in tbe first world further and further away. Another nail in Arventinas coffin.

    Have you booked your Gourock cruise yet? Its coming up to Alps season quite soon…

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Think and his mythical coffin LOL. If it had all the nails he claimed in it, it would bury itself.

    The CLCS makes recommendations that have no legal effect and no, GeorgesAnus, art.76 does not give it any legal weight.

    All this blather over a report that has not even been published. All we have is argentina's interpretation. So if the fleet do get sent, argentina can only blame itself for stirring it all up.

    At least we still have a fleet - probably

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @24 Think

    But of course! All that egg on Argentina's face is somebody else's fault! The dastardly Brits again! But never fear! If you peer closely enough through your Malvinista goggles, you can still see victory through the mess!

    In 25 years, probably.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think- Yes you are right- many of the UK press were/are foaming at the mouth and sending taskforces- simply because they were gullible and took in the bullshit released by your Govt on Monday -as you and Marcos also did!
    The more relaxed and intelligent rest of us realised what it was - and have now had that confirmation from the UN of their forthcoming statement - Arg gets the extra bits of seabed in undisputed areas around Arg- quite right. In the disputed areas the UN made no decision - inline with that UN depts. standard policy for many years.
    They neither accepted nor rejected the Arg nor the British claims in the disputed areas - thus NEITHER side gained a minute bit- NOTHING - just the status quo remains - as we all knew it would.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (29) Islander1

    You must seriously reconsider that nasty habit of yours of agreeing with me on anything at all...
    Most Anglos that do so in here are branded as sockpuppets of mine...
    Besides.........,it makes Chère Isolde anxious ;-)

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Think

    How is Argentina “closing in, from north and south, on them British pirates and squatters...”

    North and the South?

    How?

    If CLCS does indeed rule that there is scope to extend sovereignty over a continental shelf, then this ruling will also apply to the UK's submission for the same thing.

    I don't see how it could close in from the south considering the median line between the two nations. And from the north?

    The UK's submission asks for -45.40797438 (S) and -55.98251443 (W) as the starting point of the out limit of the continental shelf. Such a point would follow a median line to join with the current northernmost point of the Falkland Islands' EEZ. Exactly how this allows Argentina to close in from the north isn't clear.

    Indeed Argentina's claim uses -45.407357(S) -55.908140(W) for coordinate point RA-431. However it is coordinate point RA-481 that is interesting as this is where Argentina uses there Falkland Islands to extend its claim eastward.

    If that is the case, then Argentina's victory might be very.... small... indeed.

    As for south, Argentina's belief in the continental shelf extending further south will only help the UK as this will be appended to the Falkland Islands should it fall on the Falkland Islands' side of the median line.

    You might get that tiny bit you claimed next to Chile's border though.

    Nice to see you ignoring me on the other thread! Obviously you could find any proof of your claim there.

    Don't worry old man, I'll be here to remind you.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dont mess with the British

    PMSFL at all this, poor deluded Argentina does it again, if there is one thing they are experts at is putting their size twelve boots right in their mouths. They just could not wait for the UN news release over all this. They just had to go and mouth off to all and sundry. They are like little kids in the playground trying to play with the bigger kids and then getting slapped down by the bigger kids. They never learn, they are incapable of learning and long may it last as we can all dine out on it all. PMSFL at the scoundrels

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejomartinez

    No implications? My dear friends, UN CLCS recognizes there is a SOVEREIGNTY DISPUTE BETWEEN UK AND ARGENTINA. Besides, the “overlapping” claims expressly define the scope of the dispute: not only Malvinas, but South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands despite UK's stance. Both countries made submissions on those territories and UN recognizes there is a dispute on sovereignty over all of them and hence excludes these areas from its consideration. THERE ARE LOTS OF IMPLICATIONS ON SOVEREIGNTY INDEED

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captainsilver

    Sovereignty dispute?

    Britain is 100% certain of its sovereignty. No dispute here. If someone is disputing sovereignty they just need to take the case to the ICJ.

    Its a case of put up, or shut up. Simples…

    But, knowing they have no case at all Argentina doesnt dare go to the ICJ do they, what do you Think.. :-) ?

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Quoting Neanderthal knuckle dragger Think

    “Most Anglos that do so in here are branded as sockpuppets of mine...”

    Then you shouldnt get over excited when grasping at Argie straws and forget that posting at 7.00 UTC clearly demonstrates that you are posting from Europe and definately NOT Chubut which you clearly lie about.

    You really are so dense!

    Especially when you get lampooned by all and sundry for misinterpretting obscure UN subcommittee recomendations. Unless of course this is an unwitting or deliberately misleading cynical error on your part. :-)

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Alejomartinez

    The implications are that areas claimed by the UK will not be awarded to Argentina.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @33
    “THERE ARE LOTS OF IMPLICATIONS ON SOVEREIGNTY INDEED”

    So if you think that the recognition that Argentina disputes sovereignty over the Falklands, has come from the UN then you can use that as evidence against the UK at the ICJ then, can't you.

    But you would get a pasting as Argentina would stick their fingers in their ears and shout la la , ignoring the overwhelming evidence in favour of the UK/Falkland Islanders.

    Any of your so called evidence for Argentinian sovereignty over the Falklands (which is mostly based on lies and personal opinion) is extremely weak, and you are not being helped by the fact that every year that the Falkland Islanders inhabit and run the government on the Islands, makes any case you have weaker and weaker.

    However, by not going to the ICJ, you are depriving us of immense entertainment.

    Please, have some thought s for us Brits that want a laugh, go to the ICJ and make our day sunny, like the smiley emoticon you have on your flag.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Alejo 33 - Do get up to date a little bit!! The UN recognises lots of territorial disputed all over the world - but that does not mean it takes sides in any of them - never has. Not their job- that job is passed to the ICJ- if it is asked of course!

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @24 Think
    While you are right about the overreaction of the British press this is only because they made the same mistake as you and rashly believed what your government said. AFAIAA the CLCS is working its way down the submission list (~3 at a time?) in approximate order of the days when the national submissions went in. Since the UK's Falklands submission went in after Argentina's (but before the deadline) then the CLCS hasn't reached it yet (Source: your own weblink & its associated pages). The CLCS aren't jurists comparing the relative merits of competing claims (that would be the ICJ's job) - they are geologists examining the submitted data indicating where the shelf ends. So unless you can rebut HansNeisund's map link (which seems to fit with the UN press release & Durham maps) then you might find you've been fallen for the hype again.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JIB

    HAHAHAHAHAHAH, No implications??? I wonder what an international court of law might say about a land surrounded by waters of other country.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    What dispute? Settled a generation ago :-)

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jo Bloggs

    40

    So take it to ICJ and find out.

    Yawn.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    40. Ask Cuba. I'm sure the USA continental shelf extends beyond that dismal island.
    Argentinians are very stupid people.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

    a list on this page of other categories,

    independent or sovereign islands are not mentioned,

    the UN cannot ever give one nation rights over someone else's territory full stop,

    so the argy claim will thus fail,

    poor Argentina another losing claim.

    then again, losers never learn,
    its not yours,
    never was , and never will be,
    you cannot have it legally and you have failed to steal it,
    what next.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @40

    What waters? The CLCS isn't even in the waters business. Seabed is what it does.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Just out of interest for you very very intelligent argies,

    If argy can extend 200 odd miles does this mean that Brazil and Chile can also extend their claims over 200 miles in all directions, and thus overlap Argentina territory and claim it.

    Replies please
    ,

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roisin Dubh

    40
    The extension applies to the continental shelf and not the waters above which remain international waters. So any international court would kick your butt for wasting its time.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    ICJ ICJ

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Lucan

    We get all the RG criminals down here, which is most of them. The boss seems to like jabbing them with his trident. They squeal a lot just like in life.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (39) Redrow
    You say...:
    “ So unless you can rebut HansNeisund's map link...”

    I say...:
    Do yourself a favour and have a good look at Mr. Neisund's map link...
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cex6df8WIAAfgIj.jpg

    Firstly, “pbs.twimg” is a domain where Twitter hosts images files uploaded by users...

    Secondly,look at the reference box of that map, where the additions of user Neisund are NOT mentioned...

    Thirdly, note the convenient 45 degree line imagined and drawn by user Neisunds on his fantasy “Argentinean new red zone” to avoid any further contact between the new Argie Zone and the Malvinas pirate EEZ...

    Fourtly, note the lack of any “Argentinean new red zone” to ths south of Malvinas... Evidently, user Neisund thougt that he had already been too generous with the Argies...

    Who's falling for the hype.... you say?

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roisin Dubh

    Straight from the horse's mouth;
    http://es.mercopress.com/2016/03/30/ban-ki-moon-la-comision-de-limites-de-plataforma-no-considera-ni-califica-partes-sujetas-a-disputa

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @46

    In fact Uruguay got the same benefit from the UN a couple of years ago but there are not any dispute pending between both countries so the mentioned situation doesn't seem to ba a issue. In addtion, due to the geografical position of Argentina, we won't face any issue with Brazilian or Chilean waters at all.

    I'm wandering why on the hell british and islanders are so worried about this extension....really it doesn't affect them at all. So, I can imagine that they bored and they have plenty of time to discuss about other countries issues....

    By the way, taking into account the oil price I would suggest that the UK, FI and Argentina think about other way of making bussines since deep waters oil is not going to be profitable in the short and mid term.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @Think
    Yes I'm well aware that is not a UN map! What I'm asking is whether you can rebut its approximation. Apart from the tiny extra bit off the South coast of TdF that is missing from it then the only other thing Argentina asked for that is not over the Falklands Median line (or dependent on Antarctic Territory) is the bit that the map shows in red. So that is what Argentina is getting. Any more than that will require a trip to the ICJ and a time portal to change history.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Why don't they pause for thought before they make these grandiose announcements, only to have to be put straight later and suffer yet more humiliation. They really are very stupid people.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    “I wonder what an international court of law might say about a land surrounded by waters of other country.”

    40 JIB (#)

    There is no such thing. Even if the two distinct countries/lands/territories, whatever, in question are under the same sovereignty they still generate their own territorial waters.

    At most the waters of the other country would surround the land AND ITS WATERS.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (53) Redrow

    You say...:
    “I'm well aware that is not a UN map! What I'm asking is whether you can rebut its approximation.”

    I say...:
    I already did... at my post (50)...
    Specially on its third paragraph....
    Please don't insult your and my intelligence asking me to rebut a completely fawlty hand-drawing sketched by a biased Anglo poster...
    You are better than that...

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JIB

    What an stupid comparison with Cuba. Cuba was never a disputed territory by the USA, in fact US gave them the independece. Malvinas have always been a disputed territory. Cuba is an independent country, Malvinas are not. Malvinas is a colony directed by London. Where most of its population (now a majority) has been implanted, Start looking for a different rock.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Think, dont dismiss that map. It clearly shows where any trespassing Argie ships are likely to get sunk. Could be quite useful to Argie canooists!

    By the way, where are your swimmers, did they wimp out?

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @Think
    I'm at a genuine loss here. The Durham map:
    https://www.dur.ac.uk/resources/ibru/south_atlantic_maritime_claims.pdf
    whose quality is presumably more to your liking shows the light blue areas not in dispute. The block north of the median north of the Falklands is what Argentina gets and presumably the small bit south of TdF. However the tiny broken strips N and S of the Falklands (that do not overlap with the Yellow Falklands claim) that presumably result from differences between where the shelf was drawn between the 2 submissions (?) could only be 350 miles from Argentina if the Falklands are actually Argentine which you would need to establish at the ICJ. Are these broken strips what you meant by North and South?

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @57
    Oh dear, was not the entire population of Argentina implanted, I would value your thoughts on this.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porkchop

    So, as known all along, no change what so ever for the Falklands or it's people.

    It seems UN officials frequent this site and approved a resolution to throw Think et el a bone. That's all.

    As for the markets, they're fickle. Always have been, always will be. Yeah, let's get excited about something else we all already knew. The markets haven't changed either.

    Talk about scrapping the absolute bottom of the barrel! Make the most of it Think, Alejmartinez etc. Personally, I can't bring myself to spend any more time on this non story. There's only so many times you can watch the same people make complete and utter arses of themselves.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    “Please don't insult your and my intelligence asking me to rebut a completely fawlty hand-drawing sketched by a biased Anglo poster...”

    What makes you think it was sketched by an Anglo? :-)

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (59) Redrow
    Of course you are at a genuine loss here... Using the Durham map...
    An Engrish Univerity map featuring a “Median” that doesn' even serve a purpouse in their very own map!

    Anyhow...
    This decision by the UN has been an excellent reminder to all of us of how alive the Argentinean claim over our South Atlantic territory is...

    By the way... If you Brits are in need of some cheap theatricals, you could always send a couple of your billion Pounds Typer 45 Destroyers down to us...
    Yust remember to repair their propulsion first...
    Chuckle chuckle....

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    featuring a “Median” that doesn' even serve a purpouse in their very own map!

    Yes it does. It shows that the EEZ boundary between the Falklands and Argentina is not based on the median.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @Think
    If you believe the Durham map to be wrong you should contact the academics or if you think it is fraudulent you should contact the Registrar of the University. But apart from being English in origin what is actually wrong with it in your view?

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    New definitive map!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cex6df8WIAAfgIj.jpg
    British areas clearly marked - no go areas for Argentina.
    Thanks to the UN.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (64) :-)))

    TWIMC...:
    Hereby another Engrish Durham /BBC map more of my liking...:
    http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/77B9/production/_88994603_new.png

    Happy to see that in the above map, the BBC makes the same mistake that I have made earlier calling the “Proposed 350 miles Continental Shelf Zone” for “Proposed 350 miles Exclusive Economical Zone”....

    I very much like and respect the BBC, by the way....
    Except, of course, when their Top Gear Program disrespects dead soldiers...

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @50

    Actually, I'm not the author of the map, I usurped it off somebody on twitter. You can quibble about the details, but it's a much closer approximation of what Argentina actually achieved than the map of the Argentine **claim** presented by the Ministry of Foreign Relations and Cultism in a highly misleading, temporarily satisfying, but ultimately disappointing stab at the Malvinista G-Spot.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FitzRoy

    @57: ”Malvinas is a colony directed by London. Where most of its population (now a majority) has been implanted, Start looking for a different rock”... What do you mean? Do you actually know, or are you merely making it up?
    The Falklands have an elected local government, elected, note, by the populace. None of the local population have been implanted, most were born here, the rest emigrated, by choice.
    Having never been or studied real history, I doubt you know or understand. Dick.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    You may like the BBC map as much as you like, Think, but it has no basis in reality

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JIB

    a) No, the argument about “implanted argentinian population” falls by itself as the territoriy wasn't ever under dispute. So third or fourth generations of migrants always leaved with secured land titles. On the contrary, the population implanted by the UK gov during the past 20 years (you can see the locals are less and less) is implanted on a soil with disputed titles since before one of them ever put a foot there.

    b) You have elected shit, the Governor is appointed by London, the main political figure in the islands is not elected by its implanted population but by a gov that is thousands of miles away.

    So make up your mind, being independents means you are not maintained by third parties like the UK Gov.

    If you made a poll and decided to be “british” then you're independent, so you're represented by London, not by any other person

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (70) On the contrary my dear Keiko friend...

    The Argentinean submission AND the UN acceptance of the new Argentinean Sea Shelf limit are 100% based in something as real as geology...
    http://static.ellitoral.com/um/fotos/148426_10.jpg

    We are though, of course, fully aware that the current Geopolitical Colonial Situation in the South Atlantic impedes, in the short term, the full execution of this reality based UN decision....

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    Think, the shelf surrounding the Falklands has not been awarded to Argentina.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lucifer

    Don't bother trying logic on an Argy. They'll never get it. Emotions are more important than facts.

    The Falklands will be British longer than anyone on this board will be alive.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FitzRoy

    Dear me, Jibby; You are right that a lot of the populace don't “look” like British people in that they come from all over the world, but the core of the populace is Falklands born and bred. But having never been here, or really studied, you know that wouldn't you. Perhaps from how I write, you might be able to tell me my nationality? Quite a lot of our population can trace their ancestry back through 8 generations in the Falkland Islands. How far back does the majority of your population go. Last time I looked (four months ago) it was to the 1880s, most emigrating to S. America in the very late 1800s and early 1900s.
    The Governor, whilst appointed by the Head of State, has no political power in the Islands. He represents the Crown. Again, from what you write, it is quite clear you know what you're talking about.
    The Falkland Islands are not a colony, and neither are they an independent country - they are (watch my lips (figuratively)) a British Overseas Territory, part of the Commonwealth, if you will. But you knew that didn't you? We chose to remain part of Great Britain, as an Overseas Territory, we are not represented by London. We are self governing, despite what you read under C24. We have for some few years now, been trying to make C24 (run by a bunch of representatives of despots and dictators), understand that, but for some reason they believe RGland and their re-written version of history.
    We didn't make a “poll”, either, we made a decision based on two questions - 99% decided to remain British, rather than the alternative, which would have made us a colony.
    I would advise you to read about what it is that a British Governor actually does and what he represents. Trust me, our government is made up of locally elected people from our community. But you know that too, don't you.
    Once you read up on our community and laws, get back on here and, please, continue to lighten the place with you wit.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Byron

    It seems to me that even if they are given the waters outside the Falklands waters they will still need some kind of serious navy to create any trouble, or air force - given the 2 carriers (soon) and numerous nuclear submarines in the RN not to mention the Type 45s in the UKs possession it would seem a non starter to pick a fight they can't win unless they resort to the odd token gesture to divert attention from domestic issues and exite the exitable.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    yuck
    Emily Thornberry declines to promise protection of Falkland Islands will feature in defence review
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/
    Emily Thornberry was accused of “equivocating” by repeatedly declining to promise the party’s current policy of self-determination would be backed in her Defence review

    Mr Corbyn called for opening up “dialogue” with Argentina over the Falklands amid reports he supported the idea of a Northern Ireland-style power-sharing agreement

    with twats like these two,
    who needs enemies,

    mind you the word on the QT says CFK is hiding amongst Mr corbyn cabinet...lol

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @72

    Oh dear. It looks like Ban Ki Moon has pissed on your chips again.

    http://es.mercopress.com/2016/03/30/ban-ki-moon-la-comision-de-limites-de-plataforma-no-considera-ni-califica-partes-sujetas-a-disputa

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    In so many respects the UN is a useless organisation well past its sell by date. Hence NATO, the G7 etc etc. But, it is the only place where the 3rd world interacts with the third world these dsys for what its worth.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC
    Ohhh my, ohhh my...
    Poor little Engrish cookies...
    Nobody luuvvs them anymore...
    What to do? What to do? What to do?
    Luckily for us all, they are several exits...:
    Brexit
    Unexit
    Irlexit
    Walexit
    Scotexit
    Chucklexit...

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FitzRoy

    @80: What on earth are you rabbiting on about? And where are you? You purport to be in S. America, but at the time you posted your garbage it was only 1800 where I am, and yet it was well into the evening for you.
    Now that the Secretary General has chided RGland for overstepping the mark, you appear to have resorted to your usual, unintelligible ravings.

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Still getting ahead of yourself Think.

    No report from the CLCS.

    Only Arg propaganda.

    Anyone who actually can think, would be awaiting that report.

    No.25 (last column) http://www.un.org/depts/los/clcs_new/commission_submissions.htm

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    72 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “Shelf limit are 100% based in something as real as geology…” Based on which the ICJ has issued the following pronouncement. ”International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,” p.74
    The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine... By Roberto C. Laver

    Mar 30th, 2016 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jo Bloggs

    83 Terence Hill

    To think that Think and his sock puppets accuse us of wishful thinking!
    It is Argentina that owns that continental shelf now is it Think.
    Chuckle chuckle.

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    In other words, you will have to pay for parking your submarines in our continental shelf.
    And with oil too, no??

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Hepatitis - didn't Peron says something like that? Didn't Menem? Didn't CFK?

    You people are slow learners

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • georgeneurus

    AGAIN , FOR THOSE DUMB FUCKING BRITS WHOSTILL ARE SCARES:: THE RIGHT TO EXPAND OF ALL NATION, ART 76, FROM 200 TO 350, AND THIS ISNT A DISPOUTE ZONE AT ALL, ISJUST A NATIONS RIGHT, ARGENTINE PROVED THAT UTS PLATFORM COULD EXOAND BEYOND 200 DOWN SEA, FOR NATURAL EXPLOTATION OFMINERALS AND OTHERS, RIGHT TO THE SOIL AND SUBSOIL. GOT IT? DUMB WEAK BRITS.ESPECIALLY FOR YOU PUSSY LORTONTITO COCK SUCKER , PIECE OF SHIT.EXCITED TO MEET YOU AND CONVERT YOUR BONES IN RAT FOOD, SUCKER!!! FCKING ALCOHOLIC CRACK HEAD.NOPE DUMB LORTONTO NOONE OF THEM SAID SHIT, BUT CHURCHILL DID IT.....KILING INNOCENTS. https://facebook.com/marcelo.gustavo.kohen?fref=ts

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Still up, GeorgesAnus? Such a pussy :-)

    Glad to see that you are accepting that the UN is unlikely to have recommended anything anywhere near the overlapping claims. Which means that for all Argentina's hype, nothing changed. At all.

    Kohen? That the man who fled from on Facebook? Still has me blocked I believe LOL.

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (87) Mr. Lorton

    You ask..:
    didn't Peron says something like that? Didn't Menem? Didn't CFK?

    I say...
    Peron didn't
    Menem did
    CFK didn't

    You are, again, 33% right...
    About some percentage as in your blog...

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    I suspect that you are wrong Think - and ALL of them said SOMETHING like that. LOL

    The Blog is 100% right - which is why it causes so much grief in you lille ol' 2nd rate nation :-)

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (91) Mr. Lorton

    Your use of such elastic criteria as “SOMETHING like that”, clearly explain your personal belief that your personal blog is 100% right... SOMETHING like 30% of the time...

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @88 Ignoramus.

    For the benefit of your thick stupid brain with the intelligence of a slug, no Brit is in the least worried about Argentina's shelf being extended from Argentina, as long as it does not interfere with Falkland Islands territory .

    You ALREADY have a HUGE country that you cannot run properly so I feel sorry for most normal Argentines that just want better lives. As you cannot take advantage of a country that has a massive land area and resources, gaining a few hundred miles of sea bed will make no difference, because you can't even take advantage of what you have.

    All the Islanders have is a country the size of Northern Ireand with a 200 mile EEZ.

    And per head of population it is a lot more successful than your country.

    Young Islanders can be sent FREE of charge to study in UK universities , that are far superior to those in Argentina, which, if they are anything like your primary schools, are Hitleresque centres of nationalist indoctrination , not formed on the study of academic papers but uncited opinion.

    So you are blind to the Islanders making a success with a tiny country and tiny population that can make the best (AND A SURPLUS) out of only a few industries and resources.

    Your country can't. And sadly it isn't because of what I call the Argentines on these posts who live in the real world and want their country to improve, but idiot Malvanazis like you, who are determined to ruin your own country against the interest of your citizens.

    You think Argentina's gain of some sea bed to the North of the Falklands bothers us Brits?

    Of course not! Unless Macri gets a grip of your country that has Fecked up since 1940, those extra resources won't make any difference to your wealth, and are certainly no threat to the UK.

    “CONVERT YOUR BONES IN RAT FOOD”

    Really? In the 1950s you received modern jet fighters. In 2016, until they are replaced with 40 year old jets your borders are being patrolled by turboprop aircraft.

    Do you feel lucky?

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JIB

    You're fvcked and you know it, tic tac tic tac tic tac, is not if, it is when there will be shared soveriegnity over the islands.

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Not in your lifetime mate, whinge on… .

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    georgeneurus
    Russian only please, and turn your ear plugs off..

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    22,542 visitors todate Think and 65,743 views suggest my blog site is rather more credible than your view old 'un. LOL

    Dream on.

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @88
    Wonderful post, which is typical Argentinian, keep up the good work for your backward country.

    Mar 31st, 2016 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    85 malen
    In other words, you will have to pay for parking your submarines in our continental shelf.

    And who is going to issue the parking ticket, YOU?
    And who is going to inforce it-Argentina.?

    86 Hepatia
    The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    The Malvinas only exists in your warped head.

    But feel free to holiday there any time you want.

    ,

    Apr 01st, 2016 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Oh yes Think, knew it would come back to me -

    “Vamos a volver a ver a las Malvinas formando parte de nuestro territorio” = CFK 12 months back

    that's SOMETHING like that, isn't it :-)

    Apr 02nd, 2016 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (100) Well..., Mr. Lorton...

    There are some 40,000,000 Argentineans ( + a considerable number of nice Engrish people) saying SOMETHING like that..., ain't them?

    Check mate in eight moves..., laddie...

    Apr 02nd, 2016 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @94

    Good luck with attacking the Falklands with your Tucano fighters.

    Apr 03rd, 2016 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    tic tacs tic tacs tic tacs,

    nice sweets

    Apr 03rd, 2016 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @94 JIB

    You're going to die a very disappointed person because the Falklands will never be Argentine, not totally and not partially.

    The ONLY people who have a say in what happens to the Falkland Islands are the Falkland Islanders themselves. And given your countries treatment of them you can understand why they voted overwhelmingly to remain British.

    Face it JIB, they rejected you and your pathetic country.

    You spend all your life looking with envious eyes at what others have got, whilst at the same time ignoring the riches that are all around you.

    Your country could be as rich as the USA. The only thing stopping it from achieving it's potential are the people of Argentina. People who think 'why work when I can steal?'

    That is why corruption is endemic in your country. The majority of Argentines are selfish individuals who only think about what is 'owed' to them. Because they truly believe that the world owes them a living. That they shouldn't have to work for it.

    Well the world doesn't owe them, or anyone else for that matter, a living. To make a country successful requires decent honest government, and willing hardworking people.

    Unfortunately Argentina has neither of these in enough numbers to make any difference.

    You can't even manage your own country correctly, you would destroy the Falklands in about 5 minutes if you ever gained sovereignty (you pretty much destroyed the place in 1982 when you'd only been there 12 weeks).

    But rather than work together to solve Argentina's pressing problems you'd rather steal someone else's homes and land.

    Rather than make Argentina a successful, honest country, you'd rather sit back with your hand out for money you haven't earned, and allow yourself to be distracted from the rampant corruption by a fairy tale.

    One day Argentina may try to take the Falklands by force. But should that day come the UK will defend them. And this time we'll take the gloves off and attack Argentina itself. Give you a taste of true war.

    Apr 04th, 2016 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LukeDig

    This lepercon is funny, thinks the english are on morally high ground to judge anyone after all they´ve done wrong. He also believes he lives in a succesful empire, and a superior culture. “Hard Work” he says, you mean the “hard work” of the kelpers? You call “hard work” to just sit around giving away fishing licenses to any chinese pirate willing to pay to vaccuum the ocean and screw it? So much hard work, must be tiring.

    You want to judge, then tell us about english history of murder, and its present of utter bigotry and discrimination. Tell us about the Trident Program while there are people who can´t make a living. That makes you proud?

    He also thinks that attacking continental Argentina would mean success for english troops, only thing I can imagine the brits doing is bombing, that´s the only thing they got guts to do, to bomb from afar and target civilians, it´s what you do at middle east. You invaded us twice buddy, and got a good beating too, frankly, it would be my honor to throw boiling oil at some english heads like the good old days.

    Apr 04th, 2016 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    thinks the English are on morally high ground
    [ be fair, we are ]
    /////////////
    he lives in a successful empire,
    [ no empire any more] [ and it was the greatest the world has ever seen, and ever will see, unless Argentina wants to go one better,,
    ///////////////////
    attacking continental Argentina would mean success for English troops,
    [ there are NO English troops ]
    and we are a peaceful nation today.
    gulp

    Apr 04th, 2016 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LukeDig

    Well then, lets hear your arguments about why the english are on a morally high ground? Last time I read about england, they were bombing cities. And last time I checked, UN considers a crime against humanity to bomb cities.

    Thats only one tiny example. I can find many, like your inhuman siege over Julian Assange.

    Apr 05th, 2016 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    @107

    Why do South Americans find it so difficult to understand that England is only one constituent part of the United Kingdom which consists of (in alphabetical order) England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. There are also two Crown Dependencies; the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

    Perhaps you would be so kind as to give links to where you have read that :-

    a) England is bombing cities
    b) UN considers a crime against humanity to bomb cities

    Oh by the way you forgot to mention the 30,000 Argentines murdered by other Argentines during the dirty war. You also forgot to mention that Argentina carried out an unprovoked attack against the Falkland Islands 34 years ago and the UN issued Binding Resolution 502 instructing Argentina to withdraw it's forces. This is the only Binding resolution the UN has passed about the Falkland Islands and Argentina ignored it

    Apr 05th, 2016 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @105 LukeDig

    I love the way you always ignore your own history.

    -Argentina committed genocide against the native inhabitants.
    -Argentina murdered their African slaves rather than set them free.
    -Argentina murdered 30,000 of their own people.
    -Argentina illegally invaded a peaceful set of islands and committed crimes against the local population, including forced deportation, forced incarceration without the basic necessities for life.
    -Argentina also ignored a binding UNSC resolution to remove your troops from the Falkland Islands, thus breaking international law.
    -Argentina broke international law again by breaking the Laws of Armed Conflict, including hiding weaponry behind the protected Red Cross symbol, and by booby trapping the children's desks in the school with high explosives, raising a white flag and firing upon the British Officers who'd come to parley, and laying land mines without marking them.
    -Argentina continues to steal land of the remaining few indigenous people, and sits back whilst they starve to death.

    Actually attacking Argentina would be the correct thing to do. We didn't do it in 1982 because the Yanks begged us not to, and it cost us ships. We've learned from that mistake, so make no mistake yourself, should Argentina be stupid enough to try and invade the Falklands again the British would be well within international law to target any and all military installations in Argentina.

    Your troops were very brave when they invaded in 1982. Very brave against unarmed civilians. Not so brave when facing someone who only could but would shoot back.

    So if Argentina ever was bombed by the UK it would only be in response to an Argentine attack on British territory, such as the Falklands, South Georgia, the South Sandwich islands, Queen Elizabeth land and the British Antarctic Territories.

    If you don't do that then you have nothing to fear, do you?

    You know, LukeDig, people who live in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.

    Apr 05th, 2016 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    LukeDig
    As 108 darragh pointed out,
    Please prove it, thanks.
    .

    Apr 05th, 2016 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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