British PM David Cameron told Argentine president Mauricio Macri that the “Malvinas question will be included” as part of the bilateral talks with Argentina, according to Argentine foreign secretary Susana Malcorra. Apparently before Macri returned to Argentina Friday night from the nuclear security summit in Washington, he held a 'brief encounter' on request from PM Cameron. Read full article
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Talk about what? The matter is settledApr 03rd, 2016 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Well given that this woman has lied recently over what the UN actually said I think we can all doubt her veracity now.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
David Cameron cannot 'discuss' sovereignty of the Falkland Islands UNLESS the people of the Falkland Islands say he can.
However, there may be room for discussion on the sharing of natural resources etc..., something similar to the agreements that existed in the 90's before the Kirchner's tore them up in a fit of pique.
But no, Susan, no talks on sovereignty. Not now, not ever, unless the Falkland Islanders agree to it.
Told you so.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
DiegoApr 03rd, 2016 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
You told nothing. The fanciful life you portray is a mythical as Argentina's claim. Like the time you were going to dinner with the mayor of Rio..... 3 months after he was voted out of office.
Hopefully Argentina can finally stop using the excuse that the UK refuses to negotiate. However as the UK will only express the Falklander's rights to self determination under the UN Charter, I'm guessing there won't be any sort of negotiation in the eyes of Argentina.
No you didn't. You said Cameron was preparing to hand the islands back to Argentina. He clearly isn't.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Issue under litigation? Surely litigation takes part in a court of law NOT in the lower levels of the UN.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
They want litigation - bring them on! The International Court of Justice awaits them!
Of course Camoron wants to talk about the FALKLANDS, he and 62 million Brits want to know why you want the FALKLANDS so much, as others have said ( mainly Argies ) just shit stained rocks, Co-on lets have it why do you want the FALKLANDS? Not just because we need some proof of ownership.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
RGs want the Falklands for many reasons.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
To ease their butt-hurt of 1982.
To be able to crow to the rest of the world of how they defeated the British.
To build(or get the Chinese to build it for them, lol!)a Naval Base, to exclude the British from Antarctica.
To be able to plunder Antarctica with no interference from us or anyone else.
To impress their neighbours on how macho they are.
Future oil deposits(l know that Think & Marcos crow about oil company shares going down, but they both hope that IF they ever did get their thieving paws on the Falklands, that there would be oil-aplenty!).
To give them a warm & fuzzy feeling inside, & give them time to plan further devilment on some other hapless neighbour.
l'd say Uruguay would be next.
Despicable moronic wannerbes, who want an empire. But don't want to work for it.
Quote from above ..”British PM David Cameron told Argentine president Mauricio Macri that the “Malvinas question will be included”.....quite correct , and Mr Cameron will state the obvious to him , the Falkland Islands are British and the democratic rights of the people on the islands must be , and will be respected , fact is that British settlers were on the islands before Argentina existed , Macri would be better to sort his own countries debt and corruption problems before anyting else .....Falkland Islands are British ...FACT !!!Apr 03rd, 2016 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Kim Jong Macri emerges from the shadows! A closet Malvinista no less? Slavering over the Malvinas key to the Argentinian Empire! What a disappointment.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Prince Charles was correct when he said, and I quote - ”the sooner we give those bloody islands back to their rightful owners (Argentina) the better”.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Charles is quite attached to Argentina and has been supportive of Cameron behind the scenes.
The process began quite some time ago and it's progressing nicely. This will allow me to develop my offshore oil and gas business quite nicely and I may even throw a few bones to the British companies that have been down visiting is in Buenos Aires recently eager to get established in our market.
Of course one must chuckle at the single brain cell morons on this site who can't see past the end of their own noses. To those boludos I would say Las Malvinas son nuestras.
Anyway I have a flight to catch now to Scotland. We have been invited to spend a week hunting and discussing business in the Highlands at a place called Balmoral. It's the home of a rather well known British family.
The family of Scotland says you can sleep in a cot under the stairs in the house of DunoonApr 03rd, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
“The Prime minister again said that he was totally open to advance in an ample bilateral association and believed that this was a very special moment for Argentina, and the UK historically has been a partner of Argentina and wanted to support the country in all that which is considered opportune and necessary”Apr 03rd, 2016 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
It was Macri who said '“discussions must include the Malvinas question”.
So even using Malcorra's own quotes Cameron didn't mention the FI
Malcorra - liar, liar - pants on fire.
Pitiful, but not surprising that this pair put words in Camorons mouth.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
He knows if he EVER even suggested 'power sharing' or any other nonsense he would be out on his ear, just like he will be when the UK votes LEAVE!
that looking at it from an International Law point of viewApr 03rd, 2016 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
So Argentina will be at the ICJ soon?
Hope they've got enough evidence for a claim apart from support from people that want to get one over on the UK.
They still forget it's about the Islanders-doh!
“The Prime minister again said that he was totally open to advance in an ample bilateral association and believed that this was a very special moment for Argentina, and the UK historically has been a partner of Argentina and wanted to support the country in all that which is considered opportune and necessary”, according to Ms Malcorra.”
If you think that means Cameron is going to exclude Islanders from talks you'd better think again.
Malcora interprets this as Cameron talks about sovereignty-different government but no different from Galteiri telling Argentina that they were winning the 1982 war a day before they surrendered.
Argentina has been granted an extension to their territory, but even if the UN recognise a dispute over Falkland Sovereignty, it doesn't mean the UN are supporting Argentina's side.
Macri: And now Dave, we talk about the Malvinas.
DC:Ah Yes,it's fairy story time. We are quite happy to take the case of the Falkland Islands to the ICJ-here is all the evidence that supports our case(pulls out a brief history of the Falklands including copies of treaties and UN declarations about 10,000 pages long).
Macri: Pahhh we don't need evidence Dave, we have Latin America on our side.
DC: Ok El president, you state your case and I'll bring in Mr Summers and Mr Hansen to state theirs!
Macri: What? Theese ees a dirty Innglish ambush, you know we cannot speak to people actually born on the Islands, only people not born on the Islands have a say-Fire up Tango 1!
DC: Sorry, I think you'll have to hire a British jet again, Mr Singer is here.
DC: Do you don't want to help build the new deep water port I take it?
Macri: NO! We're going to the UN! And the pope!
Just a reply to El Diego ...waken up !!your country was defeated by a superior power , there were British settlers on the Falklands even before there was a country called Argentina , these are FACTS !! so get the history books out and read the facts before posting such rubbish and embarrassing yourself and your country , your man Marci is already making a fool of himself and no sane leader in the world takes him or his stupid comments seriously ..Apr 03rd, 2016 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
El Diego - and your source is?Apr 03rd, 2016 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
To have a so called weaker power defeating a greater imperial power is divine justice and no doubt God is on the side of Argentina. This was how the whole British empire collapsed many years ago under the weight of its own immorality. Its good to see history repeating itself but without the loss of life that the British were so used to inflicting on other nations. I should also mention and thank President Obama for is behind the scenes support.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@18 El DiegoApr 03rd, 2016 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Well God must've been on the UK's side in 1982 because, let's face it, Argentina held ALL of the advantage and you still lost.
Yup, you had more advanced weaponry, larger numbers of soldiers, shorter supply line AND you were dug in on the Islands.
The British had old weaponry, especially planes, a fix number of soldiers (basically how many could fit on the ships in the task force), an 8,000 mile long supply line AND had to fight their way ashore from the sea.
Yup, God is definitely on the side of the British regarding the Falklands. Maybe that's why Argentina is such a basket case country. God punishing you for your crimes.
Of course, the Falklands are British. They were British in 1690. They were British is 1746. There were British in 1832. They were British in 1850 (when Argentina became a country). They were British in 1900. They were British in 1940. They were British in 1960. They were British in 1982. They were British in 1983. They were British in 1990. They were British in 2000. They were British in 2010. They ARE British in 2016.
And they will still be British in 2050, and 2100, and 2200, and 2300. And will remain so until the PEOPLE who live there decide otherwise.
However, I doubt Argentina will survive until the 22nd century, it may not even survive until next week given the terrible state of your economy.
No wonder you look with hatred and bitterness towards the people of the Falklands. Jealousy. Jealous that their Islands are a far better place to live than the sh!thole you and people like you have made out of Argentina.
I should also mention and thank President Obama for is behind the scenes support.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
What an utter fool Diego makes out of himself every time it posts.
“At first, they'll only dislike what you say, but the more correct you start sounding the more they'll dislike you.”Apr 03rd, 2016 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Let's just get some perspective here, the PM has already stated the talk's on sovereignty issue are off the menu, unless or until the Islanders want them.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
So, the only spin here is Argentina trying to suggest that the PM saying he was totally open to advance in an ample bilateral association ... must include sovereignty when it does not. Rather like suggesting their 350NM zone now includes the Falklands.
It is all in their head, fairytales, it is what they wish he had said rather than what he did actually say.
When you have spent so long manipulating, lying, posturing and falsifying information, it just becomes second nature and acceptable to them, they do it because they know the indoctrinated masses lap it up without a second thought.
My last comment on this , first to El Digo .....stand up straight , arms akimbo, shake your head from side to side ...hear anything ?..no?...thought so ..brainless !!Apr 03rd, 2016 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@18Apr 03rd, 2016 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
This was how the whole British empire collapsed many years ago under the weight of its own immorality
Incorrect. The British Empire ended because people rightly exercised their right to self determination.
Despite the mistakes that the British Empire made, Argentina still wishes to copy the British Empire by claiming land it has no rights to and colonising land where the people don't want them- that's what the British used to do, that's what the Argentines want to continue in the 21st century.
So you criticise the British morality of the past, yet youm wish to adopt that immorality yourself?
You should learn from the British mistakes, but you won't because you have a Spanish psychology and mind set in your DNA.
Something Britain did not do during the 1970s and 1980s (that's in the latter part of the 20th century, not the 19th century, by the way) was to kill 30.000 of its own people.
Argentina did, just over 30 years ago, not hundreds of years ago.
no doubt God is on the side of Argentina
Like God was on Argentina's side in 1982?
According to your country, it sank HMS Invincible and HMS Hermes several times-funny that because the Indian Navy have just retired the ex-HMS Hermes and it appeared to be floating in 2016.
You've got to admire the British for salvaging both aircraft carriers 5 times in a war zone.
El Dieg0- as Pete at 24 puts it- All you side want to do is COLONIALISE the Islands - ie force rule over us who are born here for many generations by your Govt which we DO NOT WANT - and indeed have voted clearly saying so - and that vote witnessed by democratically elected Parliamentarians from 3 Latin American Nations as well as many other nations.Apr 03rd, 2016 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Get a life and grow up.
@24 Pete Bog,Apr 03rd, 2016 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
They say that they sank both carriers many times because they are just born liars.
lt must be something that they cannot control as they lie continually & l'm convinced that half the time they do not know they are doing it.
What a jumble of unconnected thoughts must be cruising through their brains, lol!
To have a so called weaker power defeating a greater imperial power is divine justice [ 21]Apr 03rd, 2016 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
spot on boy, spot on,
this tiny minute island race, sailed thousands of miles over and through hostile seas and bad weather,
and when they arrived they were out numbered 5-1
the world said it as impossible for a tiny island like to, to not only stand against this giant south American bully, that is eight time our size,
but more powerful with conventional forces,
and yet WE won,
Justice was served,
this giant bully got wacked and was well beaten,
and she has cried ever since.
next compliant please.
Man, Diego, stop scaring the islanders, they are already permantly butthurt, and now you give them the shivers? Poor people. We might need to relocate them to Antarctica. Or maybe Chile? They seem to be good friends with chileans, I´m sure they would receive them happily.Apr 04th, 2016 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Or maybe we can do some poetic justice and sell them as slaves to some african nation, as a payback for centuries of english slavery. That´s the funniest idea, yeah.
@28 LukeDigApr 04th, 2016 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Aw, diddums. Someone is transferring, aren't they?
Argentina is petrified of the Falkland Islanders. You are petrified to even be in the same room as them, as witnessed in 2013 when your then foreign minister ran like a coward rather than be in a meeting that had two representatives of the Falkland Islands Government.
The whole world saw then just how dishonest, irrational and cowardly Argentina is.
And then there was the whole 'Death Star' incident at the UN. My didn't we all laugh at that one!
You remember, don't you? When your 'brave' foreign minister informed the world that the UK not only had 1 Death Star but 5 of them!! He was talking of course about the Type 45 destroyers, but the world had a really good laugh at that one.
Oh, and we couldn't forget your 'brave' former President attending one of the most insignificant committee meetings at the UN (one which most low level diplomats wouldn't be caught dead at), but because she felt intimidated by the 2 Falkland Islander representatives she had to bring 90 people with her!
And we shouldn't forget just how frightened Argentina is of only 1,200 British military personnel! Calling MPA the largest NATO base in the world!! Oh how the world laughed themselves silly at that one.
It must be hard to try and defend such stupid and cowardly behaviour.
Oh and while you're on about slavery, LukeDig. Just what did happen to ALL the African slaves that Argentina owned?
You see, LukeDig, the British freed all their slaves and banned slavery. The British even risked war with European and American countries to stop the slave trade.
And what did Argentina do? Oh that's right, you murdered your slaves rather than free them. How terribly 'brave' of you.
Perhaps the spirits of all those murdered slaves are taking their revenge on Argentina. Which is why your country is a failure. Which is why the Falklands will never be Argentine, no matter how much you beg the British to let you have them.
What a spiffling idea, LukeDig.Apr 04th, 2016 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
After we have successfully conquered Argentina & enslaved the survivors,
l will request that you are our first slave on our farm.
You'll work, boy, l can assure you of that.
Then, like the pious muslims in Saudi do, when you're old & feeble(& no longer any use to us) we'll magnanimously set you free & kick you out.
Thank you for the idea.
Well, why are you surprised?
You accuse us & expect us to act thus.
Looking forward to seeing you.
28 LukeDigApr 04th, 2016 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
to be fair,
the world would be a safer place if argentines packed up and went to north Korea.
@31 BritonApr 04th, 2016 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
the world would be a safer place if argentines packed up and went to north Korea.
Don't you think the North Koreans have suffered enough? ;)
ha ha , very true.Apr 04th, 2016 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Yes Briton,Apr 05th, 2016 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The North Koreans have their pride too.
How insulting it would be to them to have a shower of posing, would-be macho men arriving & whining, whinging, moaning to anyone who would listen, how that Argentina is NEVER wrong & that they are the eternal victims.
lts enough to make you puke.
Leprecon, it seems I need to repeat again, what all the english never learned.Apr 05th, 2016 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Lets go by parts:
1) England was the number 1, indisputed champion of slavery. You, and your good friends, the portuguese.
2) Slavery: You even supported the slavers from the South in the US civil war, so you should have some shame, knowing that slavery and piracy were your country´s historical ways of living.
3) My country banned slavery way before you or the US ever did, you should really check the dates.
4) We have no negroes because we didn´t need much slaves for our economy was more of cows than plantations. The portuguese however, specialized on sugarcane, so there were more negroes than portuguese.
5) We spaniard descendants are not bigots like the english, so our people mixed with negroes and aboriginals, hence the revolution against spanish rule was mainly done by mulatos and criollos.
6) It´s absolutely false that we slayed any slaves, because we barely had any. And that crap about the war with Paraguay (wich england caused of course, and bullied us into it), the paraguayans to this very day call us curepí wich means pig skinned, because our pink skin. I guess african slave soldiers are not pink skinned, are they?
By the way, tell me, how does it suit your hipocrisy the high number of civilians slain, little children maimed, in your UK bombings in the middle east.
How does it suit a peaceful, democratic and morally superior nation, to have nuclear arsenal, and invade one country after the other.
Tell me what happened during the opium wars in China. What happened in India. What happened with the Cumberland Butcher in Scotland.
Want me to go on? You english are in no position to judge anyone after all your crimes against humanity
You english are in no position to judge anyoneApr 05th, 2016 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
And to be fair and honest,
Neither are you.
35 LukeDig We have no negroes because we didn´t need much slaves for our economy Its impossible for you folk to ever tell the truth it's a national characteristic it seems.Apr 06th, 2016 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Incidentally, slavery was never permitted within England if they entered the country they had to be freed.
”The rapid disappearance of blacks from Argentina has been attributed to racial genocide on the part of the Argentine government. Argentine President Domingo Sarmiento is noted for claiming that blacks can have no part in Argentine society. The Argentine government was known to have carried out similar ethnic cleansing of the countries Native American population. Historians that criticize claims of black casualties in the civil wars often cite the fact that women did not fight in the Argentine wars, yet black women disappeared simultaneously with men in Argentina.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Argentine
”It has been alleged that the president of Argentina from 1868 to 1874, Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, sought to wipe out blacks from the country in a policy of covert genocide through extremely repressive policies (including possibly the forced recruitment of Africans into the army and by forcing blacks to remain in neighborhoods where disease would decimate them in the absence of adequate health care).
Tellingly, Sarmiento wrote in his diary in 1848: “In the United States… 4 million are black, and within 20 years will be 8 [million]…. What is [to be] done with such blacks, hated by the white race?“ www.ibtimes.com/blackout-how-argentina-eliminated-africans-its-history-conscience-1289381
”As a result, in some places in the interior of the country, Africans and people of African descent made up more than fifty percent of the population in these areas according to Jonathan C. Brown. According the George Reid Andrews in his book The Afro-Argentines of Buenos Aires, 1800-1900, Buenos Aires’s population itself was a third black at the time of the revolution.” www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/commen
Terence, I can edit wikipedia if I can. It´s no serious source of information. I have many history books (some of argentine origin, others not) that talk about the racial history of my nation, with proper statistics, document references, and even photos.Apr 06th, 2016 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Negroes were assimilated by the populace (meaning they had interracial children), and the few slaves that existed before they were freed, actually bought their own freedom, it wasn´t considered catholic or christian to have slaves, and people were quite religious by these years.
If you ever visit Argentina´s shanty towns, or the provinces (not the big cities were the posterior migrations from Europe settled) you can see that people is brown skinned, not pink skinned... It´s the mulatos, the descendants of negroes and spaniards from colonial times.
Talking about health care, we lost half of Buenos Aires population by the yellow fever plague... About the army, the Paraguayans called us curepí (pig skinned), that doesn´t sound like an african army...
It´s known that Sarmiento was a racist, and wasn´t much appreciated by anyone, but respected for his many academic achievements, he hated far more the aboriginals and the gauchos (gauchos were spaniard or mulatos), and yet, he didn´t annihilate their populaces either.
Your facts amerit a further investigation, that is, if you do not believe the facts im pouring here. Truth be told, all these facts I said, I have them on good record for I love researching...
The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.Apr 06th, 2016 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
It won't take nearly that long.Apr 06th, 2016 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina will disappear within 25 years(hopefully).Apr 06th, 2016 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
38 LukeDig wikipedia … It´s no serious source of information My post doesn't rely solely on it. There are two further none- Argentine sources which include two historians all of them stating essentially the same thing. That your country was guilty of genocide is beyond reproach. Your facts merit a further investigation No they don't as you'r unable to refute them.Apr 06th, 2016 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@35Apr 06th, 2016 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Want me to go on? You english are in no position to judge anyone
Neither are you-most of your rants about the Brits concern the distant past-don't forget that within the last 40 years your country massacred 30 000 of it's own people.
All this teaches us it that nobody is whiter than white, but Argentina seeks to copy Britain's worse excesses of the past by wanting to be imperialist in the 21st century.
@39 HepatiaApr 06th, 2016 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Recently I came across an document written by:-
Lt. Com. Richard D. Chenette USN
Marine Corps Command and Staff College
Marine Corps Development and Education Command
where he states:-
I suspect that within the next 10 to 15 years, Britain will make concessions on the sovereignty issue and negotiate a settlement with Argentina which will be advantageous to both sides.
Which sort of agrees with you except for the small detail that it was written in 1987!!!!!!
In other news, the Isle of Wight says that Denmark is open to talks with it, over sovereignty of Greenland. (which any fool knows always belonged, in its entirety, to the Isle of Wight.)Apr 06th, 2016 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
We're more than happy to talk about the Malvinas Question, so long as Argentina is finally willing to accept that the correct answer is NO.Apr 06th, 2016 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Apparently,Apr 06th, 2016 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Europe sits on the edge of the British continental shelf.
@46Apr 06th, 2016 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@11 Do you know, I can't find any place where that supposed quote by Prince Charles is noted down apart from this article on MercoPress (isn't Google wonderful?).Apr 06th, 2016 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I did find one from 1999 where he said In his speech at a dinner hosted by President Carlos Menem, he expressed the hope that modern, democratic Argentina would in future be able to live amicably alongside ... another modern, if rather small, democracy just a few hundred miles off your coast.
Perhaps you could provide me with the source of your quote please?
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/04/03/cameron-open-to-talk-about-malvinas-question-with-macri-says-malcorra#comment436631: And, your point is?Apr 07th, 2016 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
#50 So the source for the quote in this article is... this article? That is sophistry.Apr 07th, 2016 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@50Apr 07th, 2016 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
There won't be talks because your imperialist masters won't speak to the Falkland Islanders, they are scared of them.
Cameron will talk, if FIG members are not included to express ' their interests' and thoughts on 'Granting of Independence' and thoughts on according to the 'provisions of the UN Charter' (there you are, some quotes from your favourite text-the defunct -Resolution 2065)-over to you.
If the Islanders express the desire to remain British then you are free to wait till the sun becomes a red dwarf, then you can plant your T towel with the smiley emoticon on the Falklands, jump up and down repeating SOUR GRAPES, SOUR GRAPES, at last we have SOUR GRAPES, until the peat beneath your feet catches fire, and the rest of the world waves goodbye on the spaceships escaping the Earth....
@51 HJCApr 08th, 2016 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#50 So the source for the quote in this article is... this article? That is sophistry
Not only is it sophistry it's downright stupidity which I suppose is what we would expect from Hepatia
It seems that Ms Malcorra/Malacorra is a self-appointed spoke-person for Mr Cameron. Indeed, this is good news for the march of malvinazism.Apr 10th, 2016 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0