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Chilean company fined by Argentina after admitting operating with Falklands' license
Argentina's Ministry of Agro-Industry has slapped the maximum fine to a Chilean fishing company, firm Empresas de Desarrollo Pesquero de Chile SA (Emdepes SA), a Chilean subsidiary of the Japanese group Nissui for illegal fishing activities in 2014 in Argentina's EEZ, close to the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Apr 14th, 2016 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.academia.edu/10574593/Falklands_Islands_Territorial_Waters
based on the information available in argentine media the company has already paid the fine....
Apr 14th, 2016 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 2 P German
Apr 14th, 2016 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got actual proof of that, have you?
Given the text of the article it looks like another argie stunt to attack companies dealing with the FIG, like the laughable threat to the oil companies.
Do you really believe any Chilean company would fall for this crap? If it were me I would tell them to fuck off!
465 millions od Shilean Pesos in fine...
Apr 14th, 2016 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ka-chinggg.......
http://www.aqua.cl/2016/04/12/argentina-aplico-historica-sancion-a-empresa-chilena-por-pescar-ilegalmente-en-las-malvinas/
Chuckle... chuckle...
More evidence that Argentina is still not to be seated at the adult table.
Apr 14th, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That will teach them.
Apr 14th, 2016 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reeki, ask yourself s few questions.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do the RGs own the Falklands - NO!
Do The RGs administer the Falklands - NO!
Do The RGs ever learn they will never persuade the islanders to accept RG rule - NO!
Do the RGs have the right to apply this fine - NO!
You must be a paid troll swallow the lies hook, line and sinker!
1
Apr 15th, 2016 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't you read....
“for illegal fishing activities in 2014 in Argentina's EEZ, close to the Falkland Islands.”
It never mentioned Falkland Islands' Territorial Waters...
The fine was for...”simultaneous fishing licensed operations in Argentine (and Falklands) waters”
@6 EM, and others...
Apr 15th, 2016 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Teach Who? The Japanese Owners? The Chilean subsidiary ? The Fuckin' Stupid SeaLife? Or the even more uninformed friends of Fat Max?
Or will it teach the Rest of the World to stay away from Argentina?
When will Argentina learn to work 'with' their independent neighbours, rather than 'against' them?
Meanwhile;
I fully agree with the sensible maintenance of Fish Stock, and respect for EEZ of any country, but this massive over-reaction just makes a fool of Argentina.
This is proven in their own abuse of their massive over-fishing of Squid and the so-called 'Chilean Sea-Bass', so popular with European dinner-guests, (also known as some dirty 'tooth-fish' species.) I'm sure you can all Google the exact data/terminology, should you wish...
I expect that many countries will hold back on any new FDI initiatives in Argentina.
Macri is making progress, but this is an example of “two steps forward, one step back” syndrome.
love to All,
-ilsen xx
Well done for Argentina and Mr. Juan Benegas.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0A LAMENT.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0(soul sweet Country music Intro...)
”I Remember Hence, in Years Gone Yence...
When One C'uld Meet, Yet Ne'er Get Sweet,
W'th a Fine and Dandy Yankee Boy.
Opinionated, indeed,
But never Coy.
[...but never Coy..!]
(blues sax. etc. )
Once & Ever a Gent, He ne'er Harm a Meant,
Once a Man Who'ld Mine the Coal,
Yet, Now A Bitter & Twisted Soul.
(swelling music)
R.I.P yankeeboy
Alas, I never really knew poor Yankeeboy . . . . . but the butt hurt that he put on these fools must have been spectacular!
Apr 15th, 2016 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done, Yankeeboy.
@10 Marquitos Alejandrito
Apr 15th, 2016 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0More juvenile crap! When will you grow up and realise you are a “nabo”?
Where did this “illegal ”fishing take place. The vessel left Punta Arenas -CHILE- for the Falklands. “ the vessel fishing Union Sur carried out fishing activities in the area of the Falkland Islands,” -BOT waters. Did it also fish in Argentine waters during this trip ? If not what business is it of Argentina's.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0(14) Lowlander Clyde15
Apr 15th, 2016 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Try to read the article before asking already answered questions...:
”This was based on Argentine legislation which bans simultaneous fishing licensed operations in Argentine (and Malvinas) waters.
In other words companies operating in the South Atlantic have to make sure they have no links with occupied Malvinas if they pretend to catch with Argentine licenses.”
@15 The sort of infantile nationalism that we expect of Argentina. Imagine the province of Alberta exacting a fine of $500,000 for someone with the proper licences fishing in both Alberta and BC. Or Mexico saying well, you bought a licence for Mexican waters but have a license for Guatemala fishing as well so here's a big fine for that. And you wonder why Argentistan is the laughingstock of the hemisphere? More like the North Korea of South America.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now the case for the fishing company is do they catch more fish in Argentine waters than in Falkland waters?
Apr 15th, 2016 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This decision will limit the profitability of the Chilean company, nice one Argentina-with friends like that who needs enemies?
The silly buggers, the Chilean company will still be making money out of the Falklands fish after paying the license, therefore helping a South American economy.
The Chilean company is being punished because Argentina does not have the guts to speak to a small number of Falkland Islanders or go to the ICJ and fight their own battles.
In the same way they borrow money and expect other countries to provide their investment, Argentina expects Chile to hold their hands over the Malvinas Myth.
Well..., well...,well...
Apr 15th, 2016 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reading a bit more about this case, it becomes clear that it was a very expensive mistake for my Shilean hermanitos and their Japanese bosses...
Not only did they have to pay 690,000 U$ in fines...
They PERMANENTLY lost their Argentinean fishing licenses for both, their Shilean and Argentinean subsidiaries...
The immediate consequences are...:
1) Their Argentinean operation (120 employees) had to be sold quickly and, I assume, at a considerable loss...
2) Their Shilean operation lost PERMANENTLY their fishing rights in the Argentinean EEZ..., limiting significantly their profitability..
http://www.aqua.cl/2015/01/14/denuncian-que-buque-de-emdepes-habria-operado-en-islas-malvinas/
As Mr. Enrique Massot said at (6) ...: That will teach them...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
As mentioned earlier, Argentina has once again shown itself to be the North Korea of South America.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#15 Chubutenarian
Apr 15th, 2016 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”bans simultaneous fishing licensed operations in Argentine (and Malvinas) waters.“
That is an ambiguous statement. As an English language speaker, I read this that the vessel was fishing BOTH in Argentine and Falkland waters on the one trip NOT that it is not permitted to fish in Argentine waters IF it also has a legal
Falkland Islands licence.
By the way, where is this mythical ”Malvinas”
Disappointed in the Chileans.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are better than this.
They are are deserving of the best American trade support.
(20) Lowlander Clyde15
Apr 15th, 2016 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And where is the ambiguity in...:
”In other words companies operating in the South Atlantic have to make sure they have no links with occupied Malvinas if they pretend to catch with Argentine licenses.”
If you still think the above is ambiguous and you still want to comment with any shadow of seriousness about South American legal affairs..., I would reccomend you to learn the local language...
If a Chilean flagged fishing boat had obtained a Falklands' fishing license for fishing in Falklands' waters, the question one could ask is why FIG did not provide protection against Argentinean pirate ships? If unable to, why RN warships were not patrolling those British seas.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps fishing vessels should now carry missiles, artillery, torpedoes, machine guns, rifles, etc. for self-defense only.
Philippe
@22 “occupied Malvinas if they pretend to catch with Argentine licenses.”
Apr 15th, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a sucky translation, performed by a native speaker of jibber-jabber. No civilised translator would use ”pretend“ (the original text used the verb ”pretender”) instead of “intend.” And then of course there is the usual misunderstanding about how to spell “Falklands” since it doesn't begin with “M” and it hasn't been “occupied” since 1982.
Mercopiss uses a lot of poorly translated material.
Intend makes much more sense...
Apr 15th, 2016 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “Pretend” was confusing, but the gist of the situation was fairly obvious...
Coincidently I was having a coffee with an ex Royal Marine the other week and he used to accompany the Chilean Fishermen as they trawled the South Georgia waters...he said he was there to check that quotas were accurate...
Small world...
Ambiguity ? More like two faced ......at the very same time as attempting to dictate to Chile who they can and cannot trade with, Argentina is preparing a road show in UK and US to raise $15 Billion.
Apr 15th, 2016 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So its OK for Argentina to trade with UK when they need money, just not their neighbors !
Why not go the whole hog and simply paint Stars of David on the sides of the Chilean trawlers ?
Viva Chile !
TWIMC
Apr 15th, 2016 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How difficult could it be for our Coast Guard to monitor (via Sattelite-AIS and our own Arsat I & II sattelites) the movements of the ~300 foreign vessels fishing under British pirate licenses in occupied Malvinas waters and simultaneously cross-check their Unique Identification Numbers with any fishing company making business with Argentina?
Just a small fine of 690,000U$ would finance such monitoring for years...
I Think, I will have a word with my guv' about this...
A win-win situation...
Chuckle chuckle...
@18
Apr 16th, 2016 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“They PERMANENTLY lost their Argentinean fishing licenses for both, their Shilean and Argentinean subsidiaries...”
If they haven't lost their Falkland Licenses and can't fish in Argentine waters, that's going to make them more likely to continue to buy.....Falkland Licences.
That isn't going to punish the Falkland Islanders or persuade the Chilean company to stop buying Falkland Licences.
Argentina will have to sell those licences to someone else.
Therefore I can't see how this can be a plus for Argentina?
8 Voice (#) time to sink a few Argentina coastguard canoes a few shots across their bows to tell them to stop and then one right in the middle of them so that they sink without trace. After all who is going to miss few Argentine Pirates I doubt even their family's will miss them. PMSL what are Argenstubidtina gonna do about it if we did, the most impotent South American country Now piss of with your warbling
Apr 16th, 2016 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Warbling...sing softly and with a succession of constantly changing notes.
Apr 16th, 2016 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....to sing or whistle with trills, quavers, or melodic embellishments...
In other news, the Isle of Wight sues Chilean company for not having a valid Hampshire fishing licence. No one gives a sh*t
Apr 16th, 2016 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#22 Chubutinarian
Apr 16th, 2016 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pretend to catch with ARGENTINIAN LICENCES ?
I see that someone else has also pointed out the ambiguity of this statement. Argentinian law ? Why should I waste my time learning a particularly useless language to me in order to read a load of law made up out of jealousy and misinformation and having NO basis for authority in the case of the Falklands, Antarctica and sub-Antarctic islands.
HughJuan
Apr 16th, 2016 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina had fined the Chilean company for not having a valid fishing liscense it would be fair play and nobody would raise an eyebrow.
The difference is that the Chilean company DID have a valid fishing liscense, actually two ! One with Argentina and one withe the Falklands.
You say that nobody gives a sh%t but I suspect that the Chileans who lost their livelihoods did. I suspect that the Japanese owners did. Clearly Think does and hopefully most fair minded Argentinians can see that it comes accross as petty and dictatorial. I cannot believe that this is the image Argentina wishes to present to the world !
“I cannot believe that this is the image Argentina wishes to present to the world !”
Apr 16th, 2016 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-- No, that is precisely the image that Argentina wishes to present. They go to great lengths to promote that appearance. Their fondest hopes are that they will be eternally detested. And this is one of their few meaningful successes.
(33) Dear bearer of the most noble & unabolishable name of McGregor...
Apr 17th, 2016 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong...
The Nippo/Shilean company did not have a valid Argentinean license from the second they breached their exclusivity contract with Argentina...
A fact that was crystal clear to the Japanese, as you can read below...:
http://www.aqua.cl/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/01/Email-Satoshi-Kaneda.jpg
Ps...:
Exclusivity contracts are normal business practice all over the world and it is not unusual for the excluded part to see them as “petty and dictatorial”.
But... That is just the way the cookie crumbles..., laddie.
What's more amazing is not so much of another probability of a default is that there is no shortage of the kind of idiots who bought there bonds in the first place. You can put shit in the most prettiest of boxes with all the beautiful trim that you want. But at the end of the day when you open the box, it's still shit. Buyers beware, but no one ever reads the fine print. It's like asking to be slapped and when you are, you're surprised! WTF?
Apr 18th, 2016 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think you old Jacobite
Apr 20th, 2016 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exclusivity contracts are indeed normal business practice all over the world however, this is nothing like a “normal exclusivity contract”. As you so eloquently point out in your previous posts, it's intent is crystal clear, to try and strangle Falklands fishing revenue buy punishing anyone who dares to trade with them. Tell me how is that working out for Argentina ?
Judging by steadilly falling Argentinan fishing revenues it seems to me not particularly well. Perhaps Argentina should focus on the sustainability of fish stocks in its own waters and catching those trawlers without any license ?
(37) Dear bearer of the most noble & unabolishable name of McGregor...
Apr 20th, 2016 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong...
We just won't serve South Atlantic Campbells...
Think
Apr 20th, 2016 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always a possibility............so why all the “Laddie” “Lowlander” “Sassonach” routine ?
(39) Dear bearer of the most noble & unabolishable name of McGregor...
Apr 20th, 2016 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you care to look into the Mercopress archives..., you will see that I have been called each & every name in the book by far to many English speakers in here...
Just for expressing my honest opinion about the sad remnant of the British Imperial Ambitions and Haughtiness in the South Atlantic that directly affects my Country...
I try my best though to keep my “routine” as civilized as possible, controlling my use of negative epithets...
Those few I use are, in order of importance...:
Engrishman, Sassenach, Brutish, Turnip, Lowlander and Squatter...
...My use of Lad & Laddie on the other hand are just a logical consequence of my methuselahnian age...
Yours
El Think
#39
Apr 20th, 2016 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I broached this subject myself. He uses them as derogatory remarks as he uses turnips, pirates , squatters , brutish, Engrish etc.
He has posted under another name purporting to be an ex RN Officer living in Dover until he was outed and probably still posts under other pseudonyms occasionally.
So I would not take anything he says too seriously
(41) Lowlander Clyde15
Apr 20th, 2016 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong...
ANY native english speaker can search the Mercopress archives after that Scottish officer and gentleman that used to post under the name of “Doveoverdover” and compare his exquisitely perfect english against the primitive ditto I have been typing in here during the last years...
#42
Apr 20th, 2016 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't believe you.
(43) Lowlander Clyde15
Apr 20th, 2016 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is it that you don't believe...?
That ANY native english speaker can search the Mercopress archives after that Scottish officer and gentleman that used to post under the name of “Doveoverdover” and compare his exquisitely perfect english against the primitive ditto I have been typing in here during the last years...?
Just try and see for yourself...
#44
Apr 21st, 2016 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your Dover character came across as someone who had learned the English language to a high degree but did not seem genuine as very few English speakers would write in this style. And guess what, he was Scottish ? What a coincidence. Who else do we know who posts on here witters on using scotticisms LADDIE !
Your “Engrish” is an affectation. It requires language skills and idiomatic knowledge to write in your fashion. As to your continual allusions to Scottishness, and using the term Lowlander as if you were Laird of the Glen despising the softies who live in the central belt, it shows an ignorance of life in Scotland and political realities.
The Lowland Scot built the country with scientific and industrial innovation and should be proud of the term. Equally, people of Highland stock made a contribution mainly by running the Empire and in the armed forces.
I am 74, how old are YOU. Act your age. Your “sparring” with Isolde comes across as creepy, in the Rolf Harris mode.
I think I have said enough. The sun has been shining for the past few days.
I passed by Voice's abode yesterday at 10:40 on my way to Benmore, Loch Fyne and back home via Balloch and Glasgow and today I will plant some Rhododendrons in the garden.Then to Loch Doon looking for Cuckoos......not the varieties that post on here !
(45) Lowlandr Clyde15
Apr 21st, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask...:
“Who else do we know who posts on here witters on using scotticisms LADDIE !”
I say...:
You?
#46
Apr 21st, 2016 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I do then you must be a close second. As a Scot. it is my native language.
With you, it is an affectation.
(47)
Apr 21st, 2016 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With me, it is more of an affection,... I Think.
@35
Apr 22nd, 2016 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”and it is not unusual for the excluded part to see them as “petty and dictatorial”.
The excluded part being Chile, not the Falkland Islands.
It remains to be seen whether the Chilean firm continue to buy Falkland licenses or Argentine licenses.
If the firm buy Falkland licenses and they don't buy Argentine licenses, then Argentina has gained financially, right?
Chilean jobs have been lost through this, yet no Falkland Islanders have lost their jobs over this.
Argentina punishes Chile (who are supposed to be their allies), but unless the Chilean company stops buying Falkland Licences, how has that affected the Falklands economy?
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