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Rousseff vows to keep fighting the “coup” that pretends to ignore her 54 million votes
Suspended Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff called the impeachment a ‘coup’, the result of a fraudulent process that ignores the 54 million people who voted for her, but vowed to keep fighting hours after on early Thursday, the Senate voted in favor of her impeachment trial. Read full article
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May 12th, 2016 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although some cretins must be celebrating in Brasil because Dilma Rousseff was finally suspended, it's necesary to say that the mechanism she used to finance the brasilian budget, which is the main motive of her suspension, is the same one that was used by ALL the former administrations, however there was never any impeachment for anybody, which shows perfectly that she is no more than a victim of the voracity of many cynics who are making such a big farce, just to take her out from the government, because they can't tolerate the fact that they lost, it's pretty obvious that they have no enough dignity to accept their defeat. Beside, those false democrats don't see that they can create an environment of violence, which ends is always absolutly dramatic, those sons of a bitch are cleaning their asses with the popular will of 54 millions of citizens who decided to put Dilma in office again.
It's pretty evident that they won't never forgive Lula and Dilma the fact that both took more than 40 millions of brasilians out from poverty, who not even could eat meat, because they had no teeth.
Unfortunatelly, the brasilian society is more reactionary than our's, that's why many people asked for her renounce in the streets, ignoring that she is a legitimate president, voted by a majority, those imbeciles often say that she's a corrupt, but nobody has shown a proof of it, not even the corporate press which is one the main supporters of this coup.
People in Brasil have a huge fight from now, because they'll be victims of a reactionary and illegitimate government, which will aligne the nation to the interests of U. S. A. and of the European Union, but sooner or later, we will return.
“ The coup” = the vote of the democratically elected legislature, by an overwhelming supermajority of elected representatives, to remove a criminal whose blatant crimes can no longer be tolerated by the populace, a populace that gives her an approval rating of about 10 percent.
May 12th, 2016 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But there will always be the populists such as Axel. Voice, and Reekie who favour the perpetuation of leftist criminals in office.
@2 Well said.
May 12th, 2016 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats that I see. Reekie licking Axel's ass in a show of praise.
@1 Axle
May 12th, 2016 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...same methods used by previous governments...
Ok, there was crime and corruption in government before... it's only fair to ignore then...
It's not Dilma helping the poor that's the issue - it's Dilma helping herself!
Dilma is impeached so that she can be investigated without her intervening as President.
Who is “we”??
Communists?
Government Insiders and trough mates??
All you need to know about the impeachment:
May 13th, 2016 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.democracynow.org/2016/5/10/glenn_greenwald_on_brazil_goal_of
The removal of the unindicted by the indicted.
4 Troy Tempest “It's not Dilma helping the poor that's the issue - it's Dilma helping herself!”
May 13th, 2016 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't let the facts spoil your otherwise good work of fiction. “Dilma may have dug her own grave by not delivering on what she promised, but she is untainted in a political realm smeared with excrement from top to bottom,” said Mario Sergio Conti, a columnist for the newspaper Folha de S. Paulo. “She didn’t steal, but a gang of thieves is judging her.” http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/world/americas/dilma-rousseff-targeted-in-brazil-by-lawmakers-facing-graft-cases-of-their-own.html
@6 T H
May 13th, 2016 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for that article, Terry.
I stand corrected about Dilma in this case.
“Altogether, 60 percent of the 594 members of Brazil’s Congress face serious charges like bribery, electoral fraud, illegal deforestation, kidnapping and homicide, according to Transparency Brazil, a corruption-monitoring group.”
What a mess SA politics is!!
7 Troy Tempest
May 13th, 2016 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's an unfortunate by product of an electorate that produces so many political parties. Is that ideals or public service get pushed aside in favour of wanting to become part of the 'ruling coalition' for personal gain. The Italians have suffered from the same problem.
TROY TOMPEST.
May 13th, 2016 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I say we, because i feel identifficated in ideological terms with what Lula and Dilma represent, in fact, if i were brasilian, i would vote for pt, in the same way that surelly you feel identifficated with Macri's ideas, i think i was clear enough, right?
On the other hand, the motive of her suspension isn't based on a accusation of corruption, it's actually based on a hypocritical excuse that i already explained in my comment (1).
@1 axel arg
May 13th, 2016 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”“I confess, I never imagined it would be necessary to fight against a coup in my country,” Rousseff said in a speech to the nation.
Well, considering her IQ, no surprise.
After 1985, and until 2003 the PT tried to impeach every president - only Collor's, with ample backing, was successful. Now, they are just tastting a bit of their own poison .
The opposition, in 2008 (after the 'mensalão' was uncovered), actually decided against trying to impeach Lula, for the 'good of the country'....big mistake.
Just for your info, you “cretin”', while your statement that “the mechanism is the same one that was used by ALL the former administrations”, is correct, it's clear that you ignore the fact that the amount of accumulated debt incurred by governments prior to the PT's, did not reach R$ 1 billion, and did not produce unmanageable deficits . This practise increased dramatically under PT governments, reaching R$ 57 billion in 2014 (the 'election' year) and produced a deficit of R$ 120 billion. And I suppose you think it's fair that the population pay for her mismanagement, through the increase in taxes ? not to mention her turning a blind eye to massive corruption which favoured mainly her Party (PT) ?
As if that wasn't enough, she literally broke Petrobras - now worth 10% of what it did in 2007 , and with an unpayable debt, 4 times larger than the company's market value - and got the country into it's largest recession by far, in over 50 years....but as a liberal, you obviously think that is not enough. Well, too bad for you, she is out.
Whether you like it or not, in Brazil, impeachment is the Constitutional process to get rid of an incompetent bitch, like her.
And if anyone is creating an environment of violence, it is Lula's 'red' army, blocking highways and invading public buildings...
If 54 million voted her in, now 150 million wanted her out. That is the will of the majority.
This “54 milliion votes” that the Reds are promoting is just a lot of misleading garbage. Dilma just barely squeaked past Neves in the last election and it had to go to a second round because she didn't have enough support/votes to win in the first round.
May 13th, 2016 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the first round of voting Dilma only got about 41.6% of the vote
Neves had 33.6%. Silva had 21.3%
In the second round she only got re-elected by a tiny margin with 51.6% (54,501,119 votes vs Neves' 51,041,155 votes, with over 7 million votes being null or blank ) So all this rubbish about Dilma being so immensely popular... is just rubbish.
Lindbergh is your turn!
May 14th, 2016 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talking rubbish again, brasshole?
May 14th, 2016 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking the truth!
May 14th, 2016 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0DumbAss Dilma could have told the truth and said: “I confess, I knew and ordered the murder of the American Officer in front of his wife and children when I was an idiotic Marxist twat and commander of the group that carried out the attack”
May 14th, 2016 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0If not, she was incompetent by not controlling the group, just as she has been incompetent in 'running' Brazil.
It's one or the other.
15 ChrisR
May 14th, 2016 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you could enlighten us as to whom and where this event took place the murder “of the American Officer”. As the only fatality of a foreign national that I know of was a German.
Incidentally, Brasil's new president #Temer was an embassy informant for US intelligence, military
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@16 if you can read jibberjabber - the murder of Charles Chandler by Brazilian Marxists
May 14th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Chandler
17 Marti Llazo
May 14th, 2016 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Cris is referring to Charles Chandler, apparently an individual who engaged in crimes against humanity. A lecture in Campinas, where he described methods of torture of the Viet Cong . “If the subject does not speak, thrust his bayonet into his belly sticking la devagarrinho to kill”. Was summarily executed by those that he would have had tortured or killed. Seems like a clear case of self-defence to me, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
@18 I haven't found anything outside of the Marxist literature that linked Chandler to any participation in torture in Vietnam or anywhere else, other than alleged lecturing on the subject outside of the country and even that claim appears to be invention. The same Marxist literature of the era tried to link Chandler with responsibility for the killing of Ernesto Guevara, which was also imagination, and accused him (and most other Americans in Brazil at the time) of being a CIA asset. Chandler was in Brazil as a student, on a grant to study Portuguese and Brazilian history at the time of his murder and he was in civilian status, with no known function for instruction in the country on torture or any other matter.
May 14th, 2016 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 Marti Llazo
May 14th, 2016 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0refer to T.Hill's statement in his # 16 :
“Perhaps you could enlighten us as to whom and where this event took place the murder “of the American Officer”. As the only fatality of a foreign national that I know of was a German.”,
It is evident that, besides being poorly informed, he does not know his way around the internet too well . For those who do, it is easy to find a lot of information on the fat cow's life prior to becoming “PresidentA”.
The German national he mentions was Major Edward Maximilian Von Westerhagen, of the German army, killed by Dilma's group in July 1968.
On 12th Oct., 1968, Charles Chandler, Captain of the US Army, was assassinated in cold blood by three communist urban guerrilla fighters, as he was leaving his home in São Paulo. Although Dilma belonged to the group which carried out the assassination (V.P.R.), she wasn't involved directly....but she did participate directly in the murder of Mario Kozel Filho, a 19 year old soldier, on June 26, 1968, while he was standing guard outside the Quitaúna Army barracks, where she and several other terrorists, in two cars, had gone to try to blow it up. The surprise attack failed ; the 1st car lost control and crashed, attracting Kozel's attention ; as he approached the vehicle, the occupants of the 2nd car, that Dilma was in, threw a highly destructive bomb at the first one, killing all its occupants as well as Mario Kozel.
She also participated in the robbery of an ex-Governor 's mansion, where they stole US$ 2.6 million.....
She was caught in Jan 1970, condemned to 6 years in prison, and there is absolutely no proof she was ever tortured - as she she likes to claim and brags about. She was released 2 years later, in perfect health.
The list of crimes is too long to post here....but I'm sure Terry will try to search for it, and when he can't find anything, he'll state the proverbial “you have not produced any proof”.
@ 16 Tiny Hillock
May 14th, 2016 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think others on here have answered your pathetic question.
When are you:
1) going to find out how to search the 'net properly?;
2) stop making yourself look like an adolescent?;
3) piss off and leave the rest of us alone?
I am not holding my breath, you being thick skinned as well.
19 Marti Llazo
May 14th, 2016 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are dozens of references to Charles Chandler that claim he was both US Army and a CIA operative, all part and parcel of the following. “In the fall of 1961, just as Joao Goulart was assuming the presidency, the United States began to make contact with his right-wing opposition. At the same time, the CIA began a multifaceted penetration of Brazilian society designed to influence that country's internal politics. Lincoln Gordon, U.S. ambassador to Brazil, was appointed the same day that Goulart's predecessor, Janio Quadros resigned…In the Fall of 1961, just as Joao Goulart was taking over the presidency, the United States began an expanded influx of CIA agents and AID officials into Brazil. AID Public Safety advisers like Dan Mitrione were responsible for ”improving” the Brazilian police forces. Engle sent CIA officer Lauren J. (Jack) Goin to Brazil under the cover of “adviser in scientific investigations.” Before coming to Brazil, Goin had set up the first police advisory team in Indonesia which was instrumental in the CIA-backed coup which culminated in the documented killing of over three-hundred thousand Indonesians.” Brazil and CIA by Peter Gribbin http://www.namebase.org/brazil.html
@21 ChrisR
May 14th, 2016 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like the brain dead numbnuts woke up for a few seconds....
“So Cris is referring to Charles Chandler, apparently an individual who engaged in crimes against humanity. A lecture in Campinas, where he described methods of torture of the Viet Cong . “If the subject does not speak, thrust his bayonet into his belly sticking la devagarrinho to kill”. Was summarily executed by those that he would have had tortured or killed. Seems like a clear case of self-defence to me, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.”
Terry has got it all wrong, because as I've said before, he can’t understand one fucking word of Portuguese. Chandler , a West Point graduate and Vietnam war veteran, came to Brazil as a student in a post-graduate course in Politics and Sociology, not to be a lecturer. The fact that he gave an interview to a local paper, and one lecture in Campinas, regarding torture techniques allegedly used by the US military against the Viet Cong , was not the reason the Brazilian communists killed him – it was because they thought he was a CIA agent that came here to teach torture techniques to the police and to the military, and for that they ‘condemned’ him to death. Anyway, their claim that 'he' had committed “crimes against humanity” is a load of bullshit, because since when were the Viet Cong “humanity”? There is no proof of his direct involvement, and his presence here had absolutely nothing to do with Brazil’s terrorists.
But it is strange that Mr. T.Hill, who is obviously a socialist, a populist and a politically correct, stinking liberal, should think that Chandler got what he deserved….without a “fair trial”, and even if the accusations he makes – without one iota of proof - were true ? it is easy to conclude that it's Mr. Hill's belief that every soldier who goes to war - and does his duty, i.e., by killing the enemy - should die ?? What a stupid asshole.
23 Jack Bauer
May 14th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You obviously know squat about Viet Nam. Which is why Americans apposed US policies when they realized that their government was propping up the South Vietnamese government, and refusing to allow UN sanctioned elections to unify the two Vietnams. It was further exaggerated when the US manufactured the “The Gulf of Tonkin incident” as a pretext to attack North Vietnam and expand hostilities. Including the notorious “Operation Phoenix” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program. Charles Chandler received numerous medals from the South Vietnamese. Moreover, he was stationed in Bolivia so this was not a regular US Army captain. So he was engaged in areas that included some of the worst excesses of US foreign policy, that did not abide by the rule of law. As consequence of his continued meddling in other countries affairs the chickens came home to roost. So you're the gift that keeps on giving.
@24 “ Moreover, he was stationed in Bolivia so this was not a regular US Army captain.”
May 14th, 2016 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And just what is a “ regular US Army captain” ? Someone who is on attaché duty with USMILGP? Someone who is on student status? Someone whose career plan and assignment - were it not for this inconvenient assassination--- was to be an instructor at the US Military Academy?
And just how do you know that Chandler was not a “ regular US Army captain” - whatever that is? And for that matter, perhaps you could cite a reliable source that describes what Chandler did in Bolivia, if indeed Chandler ever had an assignment in Bolivia. Something other than the usual speculative Marxist pap.
25 Marti Llazo
May 14th, 2016 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you or I believe he was is neither here nor there. What was the deciding factor was what the guerrillas intelligence network's perception of him was. They where apparently satisfied as to who he was. I don't see his profile leaping off the pages of history, suggesting they got it wrong. In fact it appears that on the balance they got it right.
JACK BAUER (10).
May 15th, 2016 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surelly pt has serious contradictions like any other politic party, however, i have never heard that Lula or Dilma tried to impeach a president, who used the same mechanism that they implemented, to finance the brasilian budget, that's why, you argument is really ridiculous, it's obvious that you aren't looking for justice, you just want revenge.
On the other hand, i can be wrong or not in many of the things i say, but unless i'm not a reactionary, like many of those people who asked for Dilma's renounce on the streets, and accused her of corruption, but at the same time, they couldn't show not even one proof of it.
Dilma committed many mistakes, although millions of brasilians who were poor, could start joining what we call, a low middle class, thanks to the policies of pt, she capitulated before her convictions, because she finally implemented the hard cuts that she criticised from the neoliberals, and took the country to a worse recession.
Beside, don't be so arrogant , just talk for your self, not for all the rest of your compatriots, you aren't the voice of the brasilians, while it is true that many people in your country want Dilma out, it's also true that a lot of other people want the contrary.
On the other hand, you know much better than me that many of those politicians who are going to impeach her, are even more corrupt than what you can find in pt.
@26 Actually there is a good bit of “evidence” or whatever you might like to call it, that Dilma's chums killed the wrong bloke, and for the wrong reasons (even though we observe your lust for murder on mere suspicion).
May 15th, 2016 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You might recall that just about any American in Brazil was a potential target of the Reds during those days, and Chandler was apparently murdered for the fact of having been in the US forces in the Vietnam war, and suspicions of the Stalinist pogrom variety.
As was mentioned earlier, Capt Chandler was in Brazil as a university student. He was scheduled to teach Brazilian history and language at the US Miitary Academy (aka West Point). He was cut down by Marxist murderers before he had that chance.
Good on ChrisR @15 for bringing this up. A splendid reminder of the murderous background of the Dilma and her Red friends, and yet another reason why Brazil has good reason to consign Dilma and her accomplices to the dustbin of history. Fora, querida. Não deixe a porta bater na sua bunda.
28 Marti Llazo
May 15th, 2016 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You held this up as a reliance. pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Chandler Sorry the genie is out of the bottle and you're stuck with it.
So you are barred from claiming a contrary view at 25 Marti Llazo and 28 Marti Llazo.
'Allegans contraria non est audiendus (Jenk. Cent. 16): “He is not to be heard who alleges things contradictory to each other.” This elementary rule of logic expresses, in technical language, the saying that a man shall not be permitted to “blow hot and cold” with reference to the same transaction, or insist, at different times, on the truth of each of two conflicting allegations, according to the promptings of his private interest. Says the Satyr, if you have gotten a trick of blowing hot and cold out of the same mouth, I've e'en done“ with ye.' en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Legal_counsel
@29 Present some convincing and reliable evidence of your claim concerning Chandler, and you may be allowed to lunch with the adults.
May 15th, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 Marti Llazo
May 15th, 2016 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I've pointed out is that it is you who selected the Chandler site. In both logic and law you cannot deny the contents therein, as that is considered fraud. The site indicated he was a murderer. Therefor it taken as truth, and you who are estopped from refuting that fact. It is considered a fallacy to make contradictory claims. “People call it arguing out of both sides of your mouth,“ The Purposeful Argument: A Practical Guide By Harry Phillips, Patricia Bostian.
”No one can benefit from their own fraud” I don't have provide anything, since your stuck with what you have first posted. If you want to play the game, get with the program.
Rubbish. To take a wikipedia site as “truth” is truly laughable, and if you were to do so in court you would be laughed out of practice. The deliberate proposal of a false lead, to later shatter its credibility, is one of the most common practices in modern jurisprudence in the civilised world. You failed to recognise that I did not present the first mention as a matter of truth but only to introduce the subject. Are you now pretending to play the barrister or simply maintaining your position as the luckless leftist lackey perennially promoting the murders of the presumably innocent?
May 15th, 2016 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 Marti Llazo
May 16th, 2016 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0These are the legal principles that define our relationship. Your attempted fraud leaves you up shits-creek without a paddle, you have absolutely no wiggle room. Since you proffered a site which I have placed a reliance on. So Mario Lanzo you'd better sing a different tune because this is both flat and finished. You are estopped period
“The deliberate proposal of a false lead, to later shatter its credibility”
Estoppel Definition:
”A rule of law that when person A, by act or words, gives person B reason to believe a certain set of facts upon which person B takes action, person A cannot later, to his (or her) benefit, deny those facts or say that his (or her) earlier act was improper. http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/E/Estoppel.aspx
You are full of shite, TH, and are avoiding the substance of the discussion. Your ideological position was in support of the murder of someone for whom no crime had been shown except in the imagination of Marxist terrorists. That alone speaks volumes about both your notions of logic and your impoverished sense of justice.
May 16th, 2016 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 034 Marti Llazo
May 16th, 2016 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're the one who is ignoring the legal consequences of your fraud. “Your ideological position was in support of the murder of someone for whom no crime had been shown” I don't care enough to hold any particular view. What I am aware of is the proactive participation of the US in interfering in the internal affairs of all latin American countries, of which there are a number of sites providing abundant evidence.
“Chandler served in the Vietnam War, where he was decorated as a military advisor and participated in more than 40 battles of the war; He commanded the strategic village of Bo Quan Tri in South Vietnam,considered a field of torture Vietcong prisoners.” A lecture in Campinas, where he described methods of torture of the Viet Cong. “If the subject does not speak, thrust his bayonet into his belly sticking la devagarrinho to kill”. He is thus condemned out of his own mouth, which shows a confession to a political murder.
So your own arrogance has revealed Chandler's culpability. So your little fairy tale about him, tell it the to marines, as it's crystal clear who and what he was.
@24 T.Hill
May 16th, 2016 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You obviously know squat about Viet Nam.”
I never claimed I did, you moron. I simply mentioned something which every reasonably well informed person would know. But the topic here is not Vietnam, but Brazil.
“It was further exaggerated when the US manufactured the “The Gulf of Tonkin incident” as a pretext to attack North Vietnam and expand hostilities.”
Your pathetic defence of N.Vietnam proves, once again, that you are a filthy communist. It comes through in everything you post .
“Moreover, he was stationed in Bolivia so this was not a regular US Army captain.”
Really ? so being stationed in Bolivia disqualifies his rank ? I was not aware that there were 'regular' and 'irregular' captains in the US Army ; you are so smart, Terry.
“So he was engaged in areas that included some of the worst excesses of US foreign policy, that did not abide by the rule of law.”
Ah, yes ? says who ? where's your proof , asshole ?
@27 axel arg
“Surelly pt has serious contradictions like any other politic party, however, i have never heard that Lula or Dilma tried to impeach a president, who used the same mechanism that they implemented, to finance the brasilian budget, that's why, you argument is really ridiculous, it's obvious that you aren't looking for justice, you just want revenge”
Axel, I am not going to argue with you because it is evident you are misinformed.....not only regarding the PT's previous attempts to impeach all other presidents, as well as the size of what has become known as the 'pedaladas fiscais' and the “aparelhamento do Estado” .
Axel, the PT implemented the disgusting policy of “we” against “them”, as a means of manipulating the lower classes, and sure, while there are many people who still support Dilma and the PT, the overwhelming majority does not. The fact that her popularity dropped to below 10% is proof of that.
To hell with revenge, now it's about getting the country back on track.
36 Jack Bauer
May 16th, 2016 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On contrary I'm very pro US, I just hated the now defunct foreign policy that garnered nothing but hostility towards Americans. A more enlighten view would have allowed the projection of good will and tolerance, which would have held the State's in a much more favourable light. “Your pathetic defence of N.Vietnam proves” That I support the principle of self-determination, which was the stated aim of the UN post Indo -China War. Whether or not I necessarily agree with their choice, it certainly is not the right of any other nation to impose what they think is the correct form of government on them.
”He (Chandeler) commanded the strategic village of Bo Quan Tri in South Vietnam, considered a field of torture Vietcong prisoners.” www.namebase.org/brazil.html So heres the proof numbnuts.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident
”The original American report blamed North Vietnam for both incidents, but eventually became very controversial with widespread claims that either one or both incidents were false, and possibly purposefully so… Although the United States attended the Geneva Conference (1954), which was intended to end hostilities between France and the Vietnamese at the end of the First Indochina War, it refused to sign the Geneva Accords (1954). The accords mandated, among other measures, a temporary ceasefire line, intended to separate Vietnamese and French forces, and elections to determine the future political fate of the Vietnamese within two years. It also forbade the political interference of other countries in the area, the creation of new governments without the stipulated elections, and foreign military presence.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident So it isn't a case of defending NVN, it's question of the US lying not only to their own citizenry but to the international community.
TH doing what he does best, cutting and pasting from a wiki and making an ass of himself in the process.
May 17th, 2016 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 038 yankeeboy
May 17th, 2016 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you had an ounce of intelligence you would realize that I have done more than just cut and paste from wiki. I have performed the logical fallacy of “moving the goalposts”.
I started out @16 by by demonstrating my ignorance on the subject with this:
“Perhaps you could enlighten us as to whom and where this event took place the murder “of the American Officer”. As the only fatality of a foreign national that I know of was a German. ”
Once everyone on the forum had demonstrated how little I knew, I proceeded to move the goal posts leaving the witless Marti Llazol clutching the pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Chandler that he had originally proffered.
I have profited from my own fraud (the logical fallacy of “moving the goalposts”) but no one here was smart enough to notice which allows me to make the logical conclusion that I am smarter than everyone here.
Your assertion that I have made an ass of myself is unsupported and lacks any proof.
39 Terry
May 17th, 2016 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0My assertion that you have made an ass of yourself is supported by everyone on this forum and you are the proof.
All who thinks Terry is an ass say “Aye!”
Aye!
May 17th, 2016 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please note @41 is an imposter - the “o” is replaced with an “0”.
May 17th, 2016 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like YB has created yet another identity.
Ruh roh! Troy got caught out with his socks on the wrong hands again.
May 17th, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How retarded do you think we are.
Both Troys are are with an “o”.
You'll be posting as yankeebOy next. lOl
lOser
I obviously finished that issue so completely that it brought a reluctant admirer into play. One who lurks in the shadows whom has been so thoroughly bested on previous occasions that he cannot stand further humiliation. So he reaches back into his cultural bag of tricks and dons the anonymity of the Hand of God (HOG). So when his nemesis cruelly and unfairly bests yet another kindly and innocent poster. He leaps to the rescue and casts his moral judgement on behalf the vanquished by assuming his rivals ID. Forgetting that “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”― Oscar Wilde http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/558084-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery-that-mediocrity-can ”It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation. Herman Melville http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/558084-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery-that-mediocrity-can So thanks I really didn't need your endorsement, to know that I had absolutely defeated my opponents, including yourself.
May 17th, 2016 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop imitating logins...
May 18th, 2016 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you don't....I will tell who you are...
I will also tell the victims how they are being copied and how to stop it...
Be Warned....
I was right on the money wasn't I Stink.
May 18th, 2016 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are the fake...and I'm warning you...one last time...
May 18th, 2016 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0So lacking in originality, so transparent, so egotistical and was so afraid his limited talents would't recognized. It didn't take much to expose you, I figured the Hand of God would be enough of a trigger to expose an Argentine apologist like you. Just an elementary application of deductive logic was enough.
May 18th, 2016 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37 T.Hill
May 18th, 2016 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You weave in and out, and as usual, do not answer the questions :
You stated “Moreover, he was stationed in Bolivia so this was not a regular US Army captain.”
not regular ? you nuts ?
You also stated : “So he was engaged in areas that included some of the worst excesses of US foreign policy, that did not abide by the rule of law.”
Q : Ah, yes ? says who ? where's your proof , asshole ?
49 Jack Bauer
May 18th, 2016 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't give a fuck whether he was in Timbuktu, it's stated on the record, which I am posting for the third time, numbnuts. ”He (Chandeler) commanded the strategic village of Bo Quan Tri in South Vietnam, considered a field of torture Vietcong prisoners.” www.namebase.org/brazil.html God! you are one stupid motherfucker, is it your fascist ideology makes you unable to comprehend simple English?
Must be something wrong with my browsers - all of them - because at that link I found no mention of Chandler, Vietcong, or Bo Quan Tri. (On the latter I am dubious because “bo” means beef in Vietnamese and no such place seems to match the allegations). Perhaps you would be so kind as to copy and paste the associated entries about Chandler from that namebase page.
May 18th, 2016 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the only other allegations surrounding Chandler (being a CIA agent, being responsible for torture, responsible for hunting down Guevara, etc) seem to be from the inventions found in unreliable pro-VPR sources. The more we look into the sources for this, the more the VPR seems to have been simply imagining and inventing things.
“Stop imitating logins...
May 18th, 2016 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you don't....I will tell who you are...
I will also tell the victims how they are being copied and how to stop it...
Be Warned....”
For the love of God, just do it. Why do people beat around the busy. Either put up or don't... don't threaten as it just make you part of the problem
This site is pathetically monitored. Between the trolls, misogyny, racism, insults and some threads descending into Spanish only, we are just here as click-bait for Mercopress' advertisers.
God knows why you hold back Voice!
Skip,
May 18th, 2016 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will no longer be posting on here as Troy Tempest (or any other persons or User name)
The stinking Trolls have rendered this site useless by their multiple accounts and fake logins.
I have sent you an email to verify that I am the legit “Troy” writing this.
Consider anything else posted by Troy Tempest as fake.
Cheers,
TT
FALKLAND ISLANDS - “British to the core!!”
Troy
May 18th, 2016 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Got your email. Yeah I agree that Mercopress can't be fucked caring anymore. Not that they did much before but at least they expended a little bit of effort.
It's starting to get amusing watching the ever shrinking pool of posters on here.
51 Marti Llazo
May 18th, 2016 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0My error wrong URL, heres the link you presented which clearly indicates Chander was overseeing a torture centre. So you can fight with your own toes as to the meaning of such a condeming passage.
“Chandler serviu na Guerra do Vietnã, onde foi condecorado, como conselheiro militar e participou de mais de 40 batalhas da guerra; comandou a aldeia estratégica de Quan Bo Tri, no Vietnã do Sul, considerada um campo de torturas de prisioneiros vietcongs” https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Chandler
51 Marti Llazo
My error wrong URL, heres the link you presented which clearly indicates Chander was overseeing a torture centre. So you can fight with your own toes as to the meaning of such a condeming passage.
“Chandler serviu na Guerra do Vietnã, onde foi condecorado, como conselheiro militar e participou de mais de 40 batalhas da guerra; comandou a aldeia estratégica de Quan Bo Tri, no Vietnã do Sul, considerada um campo de torturas de prisioneiros vietcongs” https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Chandler
“Chandler served in the Vietnam War, where he was decorated as a military advisor and participated in more than 40 battles of the war; commanded the strategic village of Bo Quan Tri, in South Vietnam, considered a torture camp of Vietcong prisoners”
There's reasons universities deduct marks for the use of Wikipedia as a reference.
May 18th, 2016 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But hey, for old people, if it's on the interwebz it must be true.
56 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer and impersonator extraordinaire
May 18th, 2016 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marti Llazo originally posted the link so he's stuck with it. Although he later tried to claim “The deliberate proposal of a false lead, to later shatter its credibility” To which my response was.
Estoppel Definition:
”A rule of law that when person A, by act or words, gives person B reason to believe a certain set of facts upon which person B takes action, person A cannot later, to his (or her) benefit, deny those facts or say that his (or her) earlier act was improper. www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/E/Estoppel.aspx So do try to keep up Stink, if your going to hi-jack, at least bother to read the thread.
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”― Oscar Wilde
Poor Terri, the sort who, when confronted with the results of investigation and evidence, particularly evidence suggesting the lack of evidence to support his support for mayhem and assassination, crawls into the little hole that is Marxist propaganda.
May 18th, 2016 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 058 Marti Llazo
May 18th, 2016 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't matter how much you try and disavow it, you chose it, so legally your stuck with it. Oh! how it must rankle a crypto fascist like you, to be the author of your own undoing. So keep attempting your convoluted logic “evidence suggesting the lack of evidence” Now that was an oxymoron if ever there was one.
@50 T.Hill
May 18th, 2016 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when caught lying - and inventing a lot of shit - you resort to chaging the subject....so , if you can't stop telling 'porkies', just STFU !
Doesn't the fact that no-one - except Brasshole - likes you, ever sink into your thick skull ?
60 Jack Bauer
May 18th, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“when caught lying - and inventing a lot of shit” merely your unsupported opinion devoid of any proof, so that reveals you as an unmitigated liar.
“If it is a Miracle, any sort of evidence will answer, but if it is a Fact, proof is necessary” Mark Twain
“No way of thinking or doing, however ancient, can be trusted without proof. Henry David Thoreau
Deep thinking, Philosophy; Burden of proof
Burden of proof (or onus probandi in Latin) is the obligation on somebody presenting a new idea (a claim) to provide evidence to support its truth (a warrant). Once evidence has been presented, it is up to any opposing “side” to prove the evidence presented is not adequate. Burdens of proof are key to having logically valid statements: if claims were accepted without warrants, then every claim could simultaneously be claimed to be true.
Abuse
Burden of proof is often abused in rhetoric and arguments.
Shifting the burden
Fallacious shifting of the burden of proof occurs if someone makes a claim that needs justification, then demands that the opponent justify the opposite of the claim. The opponent has no such burden until evidence is presented for the claim.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
@55 No, you claimed that site as your proof and position and your own estoppel bullshit prevents you from making any sort of subsequent correction or change.
May 18th, 2016 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moreover, apparently Terrance cannot understand the simple logic of “ ..... evidence suggesting the lack of evidence to support his support for mayhem and assassination...”
Let us put it even more simply for you, since you are clearly challenged by simple English: the research into the matter indicates that there is no reliable support for your claims concerning Chandler, and you have been seduced by the inventions of the VPR guerrillas.
62 Marti Llazo
May 18th, 2016 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Estoppel applies to what was originally claimed, and since there is no change from my first position, consequently there I can be no application of estoppel.
“His support for mayhem and assassination...” On the contrary, I was simply showing that the evidence you provided doesn't support the hypothesis of Chandler's innocence, in fact it condemns him. ”Research into the matter indicates that there is no reliable support for your claims concerning Chandler” My claims rely exclusively on the information provided by you. You are not now permitted to deny it.
Estoppel Definition:
”A rule of law that when person A, by act or words, gives person B reason to believe a certain set of facts upon which person B takes action, person A cannot later, to his (or her) benefit, deny those facts or say that his (or her) earlier act was improper. www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/E/Estoppel.aspx
52
May 18th, 2016 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Skip....I like to give folk the opportunity to stop their silliness...
...but fair enough...
For all serious posters....eliminate the space in your login name, a space in character sets is merely an invisible character and can be replaced with a different invisible character so that it appears the same as your login...and is automatically accepted as a different name....
No one is hi-jacking accounts...
Do it now and stop the Troll....
Why oh why does Terry Hill always jump to the wrong conclusion....jeez....
64 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer and impersonator extraordinaire
May 18th, 2016 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Is automatically accepted as a different name….” Its still hi-jacking, by what ever name its called, the purpose is still fraudulent misrepresentation with intent to deceive. You can try and hide behind semantics all you want, but, it is still a fraudulent use of forum.
“Identity theft is the deliberate use of someone else's identity,” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_theft
So I was right on money from the get go, and this no lesser true, in spite of your sophistry.
Realising why I rarely read Terry's posts.
May 18th, 2016 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Voice. After all these years. Surely this could have been repeated ad nauseum by now. But I guess the mayhem and entertainment value outweighed the benefit for people that knew.
So on this unmoderated site the trick is to have a name without a space and the letter “o”.
Well my name does this so probably why there is only one original Skip on here.
Mercopress could easily solve this issue but then again we are only click bait so they don't give a fuck.
“Brazil’s acting president, Michel Temer, has picked a congressman being investigated by the supreme court over an attempted murder allegation to be the government’s new leader in the lower house.” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/19/brazil-new-lower-house-leader-investigated-attempted
May 19th, 2016 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 064
May 20th, 2016 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“eliminate the space in your login name, a space in character sets is merely an invisible character and can be replaced with a different invisible character”
Nice try but no cigar.
I can demonstrate that you are mistaken if you really want.
65 T.Hill
“Its still hi-jacking, by what ever name its called, the purpose is still fraudulent misrepresentation with intent to deceive.”
One of the purpose of a username is to provide anonymity. What kind of a wing-nut would use their real name on an internet forum?
If I graffiti a wall and write “Banksy” is that fraudulent misrepresentation with intent to deceive the art world or is it just me graffiting a wall?
66 Skip
The reason you have never been copied is that you have never engaged in sock-puppetry or been offensive. Due to the absence of moderation I took it upon myself to annoy the posters who would be kicked off a moderated site. Vigilante justice if you will. I know it is not right, but it is righter than doing nothing, not to mention amusing at times.
The site needs to upgrade its forum to include up-votes, down-votes and nested threads like most modern forums.
If you require it you can select sub-titles in English. Give it up Stink you've been outed freud is fraud.
May 20th, 2016 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watch: First Interview With Brazil’s President Dilma Rousseff Since the Senate’s Impeachment Vote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1n
The Intercept Glenn Greenwald https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1n
69
May 20th, 2016 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0What has “Stink” been outed about?
To quote Voice:
“Why oh why does Terry Hill always jump to the wrong conclusion....jeez....”
“freud is fraud”?
What a banal observation
apples are apples
oranges are oranges
More appropriately
Terry is wrong.
70 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer and impersonator extraordinaire
May 20th, 2016 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 01) The answer is in the title 2) empirical knowledge 3) Who is the biggest troll totally devoid of any ethical standards
71
May 20th, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”1) The answer is in the title 2) empirical knowledge 3) Who is the biggest troll totally devoid of any ethical standards”
In other words jumping to conclusions.
Wrong ones.
Terry try and think a little. Voice is one of the posters who has suffered most from copy-cat logins (The Voice, V0ice etc) are you so slow you actually think those posters are Voice? In fact he ended up as “Voice” in the mistaken belief that it would thwart the copy-cats. I recently copied the “V0ice” because his vile posts would have had him kicked off any moderated site. You might have noticed that he took the huff and two personas simultaneously fell on their swords.
So you are wrong on two counts:
1) I am not Voice;
2) Voice is not V0ice
And I will add a 3rd count too: You are wrong to categorise Think as a troll. I have never seen him trolling anyone. One might not agree with what he posts but he is not a troll by definition.
I have never interacted with you before post 68 on this thread.
72 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer and impersonator extraordinaire
May 20th, 2016 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm! the choice is between your say-so and deductive logic, not a hard choice. Which in conclusion, is the utter rejection of your assertions as a tissue of lies.
Terry
May 20th, 2016 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am afraid that is a reflection on your poor deductive logic.
I could understand why you might think I was Voice (but I am not).
But to think that Voice and V0ice are the same shows very poor logic.
To think that Skip, Voice and V0ice are the same (as you clearly do @57) is just ridiculous verging on the paranoid.
I am not asking you to accept my say-so, but you could do yourself a favour by thinking about it and looking back at the exchanges between, for example, Voice and V0ice or Skip and Voice.
Can you really not see that V0ice is an odious poster who attacks Voice at every opportunity. Can you really not see that Skip has always been Skip (well back until he was Anglotino)?
74 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer and impersonator extraordinaire
May 20th, 2016 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't give a rat's ass what you or any other troll have to opine on as you're not of the slightest interest.
74
May 21st, 2016 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will never convince Terry Hill of anything....
He doesn't even remember that you stood up for him on another thread....as I did myself....
and by the way....
I am right about non visible characters in the character set that can be used instead of a space...it's all about the codes....a M space is slightly larger than a N space but both are valid and unseen and not the same as a space bar space....
I will do something with non visible characters that no one else does.....
the
space is
filled with
invisible characters
:-)))))
Which can be used in the space between the name....and will appear to the software as a new login....
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