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Falklands are “my homeland”, with the right to freely choose our own future
The Falklands are a people, “my homeland”, with the right to freely choose our own future, as enshrined as leading principle in the UN Charter and safeguarded by the several covenants on civil and political rights, said Falklands' government representative Krysteen Ormond addressing the Pacific Regional Seminar of the C24, Special Decolonization Committee. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYep, perfectly true: https://www.academia.edu/11206553/Falklands_-_Self-Determination
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There are some, perhaps even in this room today, who might have you believe we are not a people; they may put forth the idea that Islanders are a group of people in a place, but that that does not equate to being a people.”
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0...but you are people....a group of people in a place....
A group of people in a British place...
A group of British people in a British place...
A group of British people with a British passport in a British Overseas Territory
(that don't pay British Tax)
Oh dear Voice, you got it wrong again. She did not mention British people specifically, as she said that some 36 different nationalities live on the islands. Typical Argies twisting the facts to suit your own agenda, just like Cameron about Brexit.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok so...a possible group of 1964 British people with a British passport in a British Overseas Territory plus 36 foreigners...
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0(that don't pay British Tax)
happy now?
Voice - do please study the 2012 Census -0 then the Electoral Roll as per the 2013 referendum - and number of votes cast.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then please explain on here why peope on the electoral roll who are NOT of British heritage and origen - clearly voted for the Islands to remain as we currently are- a British Overseas Territory.
Oh - and do learn the difference between English and British! There are after all I believe a few thousand people living in Argentina- by their own free choice - who are Argentine and also British in origen, some are Argentine and Italian etc as well.
The Falklands are a people,
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians on the other hand, Are NOT.
Apparently British scientist have invented a SEA GATE,
the Royal Navy can enter the gate within davenport and emerge 3 mile of the north east of the British Falklands 10 minutes later,
so they say.
Go back to sleep, Think, er Voice.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 05
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not just tell me the figures...of all those that were eligible to vote in the referendum....how many were British passport holders, ie British Citizens...
90%...? 95%..?
Then put it into perspective...
90%...? 95%.. of British Citizens voted to remain British.....well Doh!!!
As with all British Citizens...British passport holders, they are represented no matter where they are... by the Foreign Office....
Or do you think you are a Special case...?
BTW...I do know the difference between English and British...but apparently Krysteen Ormond doesn't...
“Likewise ”I do not identify with life in England because I did not grow up there; I do not identify as English because I was not born in England.”
8- Guess you do not count those Thousands in Argentina who are also British-Spanish-Italian-Chilean-Brazilian-Uruguayan etc passport holders - who are Argentine citizens, often born, and vote in your elections - as Argentine citizens then?
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God what a Racist bastard you are
3000 of us- we are to small to be Independent - dimwit! Therefore we chose to be ultimatley part of someone else - pretty logical that with our heritage we choose to be an offshore part of the UK but with our own internal rule and Govt. ! OUR choice - as we are entitled to make according to the UN - get used to it.
At that point in the speech, Krysteen was talking about ancestry, more specifically the different countries in her family tree and that of her godson. I interpret her point as: whilst she does descend from these other countries, her heart is that of a Falkland Islander.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should stop using your Voice, and start using your brain.
@9 If the Falkland Islanders have their own identity, why are they not an independent country? Size does not matter. You choose to be British because you identify with the UK. There is nothing wrong with that but just say things as they really are. After all you are flying the Union Jack.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares? It matters not if they are British Passport holders, Argentine Passport holders, Yemeni passport holders, Martian passport holders, Hyper-Intelligent Mega-Beings from another Galaxy passport holders they still have the right to self-determination and who says so? well guess!!
Calm down everyone, Remember, Neanderthals are really thick, especially those who choose to live in Dunoon. :-))))
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina. Please try to take the Islands again. We'd like to try out some new toys that we've developed since 1982.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That doesn't even make sense.
@4 “ plus 36 foreigners”
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice again, poor at math, argie at logic.
I seem to recall that there are about 180 chilenos on the Islands. Is not 180 greater than 36?
Perhaps Tierra del Fuego should be de-colonised, since the residents don't pay certain taxes, prefer to maintain a regional identity, and rely on Chile for the means for receiving their supplies.
@2 Voice
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, OK, your argument is they are not a people, but a “group” of people.
Can you now detail your argument as to why Argentina is entitled to dominion over that “group”?
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Jun 03rd, 2016 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Guess you do not count those Thousands in Argentina who are also British-Spanish-Italian-Chilean-Brazilian-Uruguayan etc passport holders - who are Argentine citizens, often born, and vote in your elections - as Argentine citizens then?”
Are they British Citizens...?
Or are they now citizens of their chosen country with a dual passport...?
You are a British citizen...
What do you mean 3000...how many were eligible to vote...?
“There was a turnout of more than 90% from 1,672 British citizens eligible to vote in a population of about 2,900.”
“Of 1,517 votes cast in the two-day referendum - on a turnout of more than 90% - 1,513 were in favour, while just three votes were against.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21750909
So I'll ask again... how many that were eligible to vote were not British citizens...?
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“I seem to recall that there are about 180 chilenos on the Islands. Is not 180 greater than 36? ”
Were they eligible to vote...?
What are you...the British say MATHS not Math...!!!
Besides...it's Arithmetic not Maths...
@16. I'm not sure of the answers to your nit-picking questions. I can be sure that you have nits. Or perhaps you are nits. Since you have so many questions, let me say that a “nit” is defined as the egg of a louse. That's a pretty good definition for those such as you. You'll understand that you are defined by what you say and what you do. Argies can also be defined as liars, cheats, untrustworthy invaders, occupiers, war criminals.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what does it matter to you regarding the status of the Islanders? The Islands are British. Depending on THEIR rules, and those of the British government where relevant, an Islander has the status THEY choose. It is not argie territory and, if the Islanders stick with their current views, it never will be. Anyone on the argie mainland who sees things differently is welcome to get in range and be shot at. There are a whole range of weapons available. And if a British destroyer, frigate or submarine is around, there could be another dimension.
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Jun 03rd, 2016 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since when has Argentina ever said that it wants or has any right to dominion over the group of people...?
A clue is...it hasn't
That was too much of a clue...
I realised as soon as I typed it...damn....
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...that's more like it, almost back to your normal self....
As far as the chilenos on the Islands, it is probably safe to say that, their being given the opportunity to chose, the probability of their wishing to be a part of Argentistan would be indistinguishable from zero.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like the Islanders, the chilenos are familiar with the aggressions of the argentos, and the unambiguous attempts of Argentistan to dominate the territories of others.
@ 20 Voice - you are an arrogant ignoramus who cannot seem to appreciate that ALL your arguments and theories are just plain WRONG. Why don't you just piss off?
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 022
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's up....questions to tricky for you...?
Nothing ignorant about them at all...
Just saying it as it is...
Now tell me how they are...wrong...
@20
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Since when has Argentina ever said that it wants or has any right to dominion over the group of people...?
A clue is...it hasn't”
What!?? So, if Argentina one day exercises sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, at that time they won't be telling the “group” that is already living there what they can and can't do?
Argentina hasn't said that they want dominion over that “group”, OK. And if they one day occupy that land, they won't automatically exercise dominion over the lives of that “group”. OK.
Let me ask my question in another way. Can you now detail why Argentina is entitled to the land where that “group” currently resides?
@23 Voice
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because they are not “as it is”! They are as YOU, alone, see them!
@23 Its up to you to prove what you assert, but you cant - fail! Obviously no scientific education. In fact no proper education - must be an Argentine. Are you Gollum in drag?
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The useless Ban Ki-moon has failed utterly to disband the C24, that collection of crooks who just want to turn up and get the money whilst upsetting their previous colonial masters.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I shudder to think what will happen if the argie Malevolent Dwarf gets her way and succeeds him.
Can the FIG not withdraw from the poxed organization and let the C24 rant and rave as much as they like, none of their recent edicts have met their remit within the UN so count for nothing?
@8
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they are represented no matter where they are... by the Foreign Office...”
No, they are represented by the Falkland Islands Government who are democratically elected.
Krysteen Ormond represents the Falkland Islands at this seminar, so you say she is employed by the Foreign Office?
“90%...? 95%.. of British Citizens voted to remain British.....”
Would you vote to become part of a clusterfuck like Argentina, if you had the chance to be British?
You are saying that the Islanders are not allowed to vote to remain to be British, because they are British.
Only they are , it's called free choice.
The Scottish people voted to remain British in a referendum, but according to your logic they were not allowed to vote to remain British, because they are British.
But they still did vote that way.
They like the Falkland Islanders, were allowed to vote against remaining aligned to the UK, but chose to remain British.
What you apologists, for the disaster zone that is Argentina need to address is why didn't the Islanders vote to reject being British and become Argentine instead?
Being British did not prevent them voting for Argentine nationality in the referendum.
This is a no brainer to most posting here, but if you can't work it out, examine why a tiny country like the UK outperforms an enormous resource rich- country like Argentina, by doing some basic research.
“BTW...I do know the difference between English and British...but apparently Krysteen Ormond doesn't...”
“Likewise ”I do not identify with life in England because I did not grow up there; I do not identify as English because I was not born in England.”
Where in these words does Krysteen indicate she is not British?
You clearly do not have a clue, of the difference between being English and British.
Here's a clue.
The Welsh are British but not English.
The Scots are British but not English(etc etc etc etc).
Voice isnt responding. Perhaps we need to speak in jibber jabber.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember, Neanderthals are really thick,
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0interestingly who are argentine ancestors,
were they not Neanderthals, or homo sapiens , homo erectus , etc etc
is it not scientifically true that we humans including argies all descent from Africa.
did they all have African passports /?
now why don't we start from midway, say 1700s,
the islands are empty, Argentina did not exist ,
1800, brits on the Falkland's , Argentina still does not exist,
they are not Argentinians , never were and never will be,
99 % voted to remain British, argyland wont accept it,
but if they had voted to be ruled by Argentina, would Argentina, have accepted THAT.
you cant have it both way,
if you believe in democracy and freedom, then they have a right to self determination and you have no rights full stop,
but if you believe in doctorial dictatorship and brainwashing,
then the Falkland's have no rights and Argentina gets the lot.
so just what DO Argentinians believe in,??
their government said democracy and human rights,
even CFK stated that Argentina believed in democracy and rights,
the UN believes in democracy so does about 90% of the planet.
SO do you argies believe in democracy , Freedom and rights
or not??????
if you do, leave the bloody islanders alone,
if you don't then soddy offy. because dictatorship's in this day and age are a total national disgrace.
British Falkland.
Voice- it will take a few days to get a copy of the electoral role and run through it and identify non British descent but at a calculated guess I would say approx. 40--50 people of NON British descent voted to keep the Islands as a Br Overseas Territory. A HIGH % of those whom are on the electoral role.
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turnout actually was 92%.
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Jun 03rd, 2016 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no comparison to the Scottish vote...Scotland was voting to return to being a Sovereign Country (Independence) or remain in the Union it had nothing to do with voting to remain British....there were thousands of Non British that were able to vote...the vote was for residents in Scotland...British or not...
Or do you think those non-British residents suddenly became British after the vote....Do'h....
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If it's 50 that's 3% ...so 97% of those that voted were British Citizens and they voted to remain British...
Remember when (rather recently) the argie government was trying to tell the world that the residents of the Falklands were being held as “hostages” by the UK government?
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One has to wonder..... would real hostages vote overwhelmingly to maintain an extremely tight affiliation with their captors?
Actually, one has to wonder about nearly everything that the argie government says.
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And then there was the story about the “'último gallego” who apparently also voted in the 2013 referendum for the Islands to remain British. Antonio Cordeiro, a Spanish national who had gained residency in the Falklands, voted to stay British. Perhaps one of the Islanders can comment on that.
One has to wonder if the argies told the world that Antonio was a hostage forced at gunpoint to vote that way.
....ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome...
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 032- Now you really are desperately trying to twist reality!
Jun 03rd, 2016 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If approx. 50 non British descent people on our Electoral Roll voted to keep the Islands British - that is a BIG majority of the non British descent Islanders voting for it!
You may recall the Kirschener Govt shouted loads about Brits voting to stay Brits - then when some analysis of the electoral roll was done - and facts came out about those on it of NON Br origen - the Kirschener Govt suddenly went silent!
33 - Have known Antonio for years - he worked hard for the Islands and the Fishing Industry here and brought a lot of good commonsense and experience. He well deserved the special award he received from the Falklands recently and well earns his retirement back in Spain - his son lives here and has a responsible job in our Govt civil service.
So, only the non-British people had a legitimate vote there. If they were British they shouldn't have been allowed to vote. I see.
Jun 04th, 2016 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0This proves those Islands legitimately belong to Argentina. I see.
I've heard of Stockholm syndrome. When the Islanders were held hostage by the Argentine military in 1982, did they begin to sympathize with their captors? I don't remember ever hearing anything like that.
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Jun 04th, 2016 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are the one twisting....
I'll try again...of the 1672 residents of the Island “Eligible” to vote...how many were not British Citizens...?
5..6...? Most of the non-Brits were not eligible to vote...
It's nowhere near 50....
Identity can be multifaceted. Just because a Scot holds a British passport does not make that person any less Scottish.
Jun 04th, 2016 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Australians we're also once British and had British passports.
Identity can change over time. It does not remain frozen and unchanging.
@34 Voice: “....ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome...”
Jun 04th, 2016 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course.
Also that is so rare as to be anomalous.
Never observed in the South Atlantic.
And no decent person has ever experienced sympathy for an Argentine cause.
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Jun 04th, 2016 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK I will get hold of the electoral role list and check for you - I know of 3 Russian families for a start - that is 6 and some of their children are now 18.
Several French folks, a good few Chilean families, some Argentine,several from USA - and so it goes on.
The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jun 04th, 2016 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Within 25 years you'll be dead.
Jun 04th, 2016 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@39
Jun 04th, 2016 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And no decent person has ever experienced sympathy for an Argentine cause.”
Amen.
41 Hepatitis. Just get over it. The Falkland Islanders don't want a bar of Argentina control freakism. They just don't want you. You had a bollocking in 1982. Sort your own country out. There is a better future in being a good neighbour than in being a loud mouth bully. The reality is that you've shat in the nest.
Jun 04th, 2016 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The reality is that you've shat in the nest.”
Jun 04th, 2016 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0-- Or more precisely, they shat in the nest of the neighbours who have long memories.
@44
Jun 04th, 2016 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The reality is that you've shat in the nest”
You've hit the nail firmly on the head there.
Is Voice argentino? I suspect he is a Scot - Glaswegian, even - who is anti England and the concept of a United Kingdom and/or the Commonwealth.
Jun 04th, 2016 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever he is he seems to know precious little about the true history of the Falkland Islands as he constantly exhibits a total ignorance of the facts.
who is anti England
Jun 04th, 2016 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0like a lot of single minded people,
think positive, move on,
Great Britain, you know it make sense,
be proud like the Falkland's and Gibraltarians and others
unless you are a Rumanian.and anti everything.
@ 47 Alejo,
Jun 04th, 2016 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of us here think that Voice & Think are one and the same person.
They are both pro-Argentine,
Both nit-pickers,
Both anti-British,
Both want to see the Falklands given to Argentina.
A lot of their sentence structure is the same.
Use the same words, e.g. a calculated term to annoy people, of “brutish” for “British”.
Both like to rake up the past about real & perceived British failings.
l mean, ALL Nations have dark periods in their past.
lt will take a lot to convince most of us that Think & Voice are not the same person.
They will make a slip one day & someone will notice.
They could be Twins , blood brothers , or a two headed monster,
Jun 04th, 2016 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0but either way, its another nail in their coffin,
did not think always say this,?
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Jun 04th, 2016 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was someone else once, but then I copied the original The Voice, then he changed to Voice. I tried to pass myself off as him for a while, but failed as most posters could tell I wasn't him. Now I am trapped in this neverland. My only purpose is to shadow Voice. It is a bit pathetic, but that is the path destiny has given me.
Krysteen Ormond has told our story very well but will it be taken in by those that do not want to listen. The likes of Voice and his ramblings will always be against our wishes and right to choose. He seems to forget that we the Islanders live here of our choosing we were not implanted nor born off implanted people. However what can be said is that many Argentines were born from implanted people in Argentina because that Country as we all know it today was once inhabited by an indigenous people. The Falklands never had people on it prior to the islanders settling here. We are a multinational people who came here to live to get away from other parts of the world and its industrial life. We are accused of squatting by Argentina yet they are not held accountable for their atrocities to gain the land they call Argentina.
Jun 04th, 2016 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good post.
Jun 04th, 2016 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0quote :”I do not live in a colony. Each dictionary I have painstakingly consulted (not just in English but in Spanish, for parity) makes reference to a colony being lands under the subjugation of another power, larger than the lands in question, and far away, with no freedom to determine one’s own future, thus let me reiterate, I do not live in a colony“ -Krysteen Ormond
Jun 04th, 2016 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be very very interesting to know the sources she used to consult the definition of a colony. Obviosly in most dictonaries you can see described different types of colonies. The aplication of the definition does not only goes to a subjugated people. That is the problem of concept that you british have. You do not read even your own dictionaries and the aim of the Decolonization Committe is to eliminate ALL forms of colonialism not only the ones where a subjugated people exist. And you are not a subjugated people under the british colonialism. You are the british.
So, this girl went to the Body in charge of the elimination of ALL the forms of colonialism saying the islands are not one of the types of colonialism. Great. We all know there is no subjugated people in Malvinas. Now what?.
@54
Jun 04th, 2016 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What don't you get? The Falklanders every four years elect members of the community to run the Falkland Islands.It is called FIG ( Falkland Islands Government ) That is democracy, if they don't like the government the people vote them out. They are SELF GOVERNING that means they govern themselves, is it so hard to understand. The only thing that Great Britain manages is Foreign Affairs and Defence.
@54 Liberato
Jun 04th, 2016 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dictionary.com says “a group of people who leave their native country to form in a new land a settlement subject to, or connected with, the parent nation.” which describes the Falklands quite nicely.
I assume 'subjugated people' just means they are being ruled by the parent nation (in this case Britain) and not by themselves, doesn't matter whether those people are British or not. Australia and New Zealand were colonies before they became independent and most of the inhabitants were British. The people in the 13 colonies in America apparently felt pretty subjugated and they were all British at the time.
It's all irrelevant in any case as the UN only cares if the Falklands is a non-self governing territory, which it is by their definition. If Argentina renounced it's claim tomorrow the C24 would still have to consider the islands every year anyway.
Liberato 54- Great! - even you now agree - there are No subjugated people living in the Islands.
Jun 05th, 2016 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0There 100% would be if your Government took over - it would be taking over against the freely expressed wishes of the people who live in the territory.
Even you agree that would be Colonialism!
#57: Yes and Argentina and the UN also agree there is not a subjugated people in Malvinas. It is not news. however, there are other forms of colonialism and thats why the UN keeps the islands in the list of colonies, becouse regardless of the non existance of a subjugated people, there is still a territory under colonialism. How is that possible you may ask?. Becouse there are more than one form of colonialism and the islands are a special and particular colonial case.
Jun 05th, 2016 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The people who live in Malvinas is the british people. I see no other people than the people who stole the place and mantains it by the threat of military force.
and dont forget that China took over Hong Kong without having a referendum over self determination. It seems that the self determination right is not more important for britain than territorial integrity after all, dont you think?. At least in some cases and i dont see Hong Kong as a colony anymore.
Before I came to Argentina I worked in Venezuela. I never once heard of a VZ claim to Aruba, just a few dozen km from the Paraguaná peninsula where we worked. If the argie expansionist madness had been shared by the Venezolanos then Aruba and all the Dutch colonies would no doubt be under constant attack, probably claiming an implanted population in territory that had once been Spanish, that it had once been a part of the Spanish colony of Venezuela, that being an autonomous state with the Dutch empire meant it was still nothing but a colony, that Aruba is so close, and so just of course should have been turned over to Venezuela.
Jun 05th, 2016 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0But no. Venezuela leaves those islanders in peace, maintains flights to and from, and conducts -- or at least at the time did conduct -- rather respectful and mutually beneficial trade.
How very curious that, in spite of the many troubles the Venezuela has, and its conflicts with other neighbours, that it has the fundamental decency and civilised attitude to respect the nearby islanders, their territory, and their wishes.
In terms of civil manners, we can reflect on the degree to which Argentina is so much lower than Venezuela. And how much Argentina has yet to mature and learn.
Also that is so rare as to be anomalous.
Jun 05th, 2016 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never observed in the South Atlantic.
And no decent person has ever experienced sympathy for an Argentine cause.
JAJAJA MENTIROSO!JAJAJAJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!NOO BODY like the brutish!HATED by half of the worl,LOSER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7t3_9G6X70
Someone has escaped from the asylum.
Jun 05th, 2016 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mal. Vinero Piccolo.
Sr Vinero, you need your medication urgently.
May l call you Mal?
We are really your friends & want the best for you.
Now, pretty please, just go back into your padded cell & l'll get your injections ready.
Ah, got you, this won't hurt, did it?
Sleep now, Mal.
(under breath, another stupid malvinista).
@58 Liberato
Jun 05th, 2016 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong, the UN would keep the Falklands on the list of colonies even if Argentina didn't claim them, just like the other Overseas Territories.
As for Hong Kong, Britain was unwilling to break a treaty by not handing back the New Territories after 99 years, and also China has a huge army. There's no point holding a referendum when China would just invade if it didn't go their way. And Hong Kong now functions much the same as it did before the handover, only the people in charge have changed. It's basically a Chinese colony now, complete with protests and an independence movement.
#60
Jun 05th, 2016 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HATED by half of the worl,LOSER!
The corollary of that is that we must be loved by the other half.
This is considerably more than love for Argentina !
#59 martisorete..But no. Venezuela leaves those islanders in peace, maintains flights to and from, and conducts -- or at least at the time did conduct -- rather respectful and mutually beneficial trade.
Jun 05th, 2016 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How very curious that, in spite of the many troubles the Venezuela has, and its conflicts with other neighbours, that it has the fundamental decency and civilised attitude to respect the nearby islanders, their territory, and their wishes.
JAJAJ BUt MAlvinas was SNAPPED from Argneitna,after signing a TREATY of AMITY and commerce.SO if the brutish do it,it is OK,and if Argneitna,in a very civilized way asked them to return it(Long list of protest since 1833,invitation to settle the dispute in arbitration court,1884,not once but 6 times)UN res,40 of them.OAS res,25 of them,MERCOSUR 13,,and 98% of the countries recognizing Argentine sovereignity in MAlvinas and the SOUTH ATLANTIC islands..if after 150 years of CIVILIZED approach by Argentina was IGNORED by the brutish,this is what they ARE:BASTARDS!MALVINAS ARGENTINAS,and uk is FINISHED!HAted by HALF of the world!!uk WILL BE DESTROYED,NO QUESTION about it.!uk WILL GET BACK what it planted..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7t3_9G6X70
#64
Jun 05th, 2016 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See #63 idiot. You keep repeating yourself, a sign of incipient idiocy OR more likely you are a spotty 12 year old whose mother still has to change his diaper when he craps himself in excitement.
Liberato- Do check facts and history - will save you getting so embarrassed!
Jun 05th, 2016 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hong Kong Islands was British Crown Territory- the main area - called New Territories was only LEASED from China for 99 years - the lease ran out, Hong Kong Island could not exist without the land assets, water etc etc of the New Territories. The people are ethnically the same each side of the border and many customs,language etc.
Common sense and Logic that UK therefore GAVE HongKong Island to China!
Ask the people of Hong Kong if they feel they are a Colony of China then?
Militarised Falklands! - We were NOT until after you lot brutally invaded our Islands by force in April 1982|! Before then we did NOT have a real military garrison as such.
Zero until after the aircraft Hijack incident of 1964.
Then 1965 - 1982 just 36 Royal Marines with rifles and 1 light machine gun!!
Oh and our own untrained part time volunteer force that was about 25 strong and up to 1982 armed with WW2 lee Enfield bolt action 303 rifles!!!!!!!!
That was what your heroes took on in April 1982!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That we do indeed have a minimum credible defence in place post 1982 is 100% CAUSED by Argentina!
Your Governments still maintain your claim and ambition to force YOUR control over us one day. YOUR Colonialism.
Do face facts.
#59: Aruba and Malvinas. Two different histories. Yeah “decency and civilised attitude” is what you call to submission to the colonial power by an under development nation to a powerfull one.
Jun 05th, 2016 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#62: Ive never said that Malvinas was on the UN list of decolonization becouse of the argentine claim. What im saying is that islanders consider that they are a people distinct to those living in the uk and ergo they consider that the only way a people different from those living in the uk would be under colonialism it would be under a subjugation of the uk to them. While first they have to demostrate they ARE a people different to those living in the uk or are they the uk people living in a disputed land?. Like i said, there are more than one form of colonialism.
So the fact China has a huge army limit a supposedly self determination right?. They did not have a self determination right?.
#66: So its not about what the population of Hong Hong wish then. It is about what the uk consider to be a problem of infrastructure, economy, if the UK consider the population is similar (even if british citizens) to those in continental China, etc. And not about what the people living there wants.
So if the Malvinas inhabitants lacks of water, or simply the UK consider them to be similar “ethnically” as you said to those living in Argentina, the decision to transfer the sovereignty would be in the UK hand and not in the islanders Hand, is that what you mean?. I dont see the crap inhabitants of Malvinas says when talking that they were born there and they make their own decisions.
We have practically no armed forces while british typhoons fly over Argentina non disputed area.
We have also in our constitution ,a prohibition to use military force to recover the islands and the UK sistematically refuse to do the recomendations the UN gives to end the colonial problem.
To me it seems a colony defended by the use of weaponry not by the use of the law and diplomacy.
Hacked off with all this waffle, impersonation, sock puppetry and confusion, so I have changed identity permanently. I am the one, the true Voice!
Jun 05th, 2016 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0East Falkland was French, its ours, its not yours.
Going for a ride now, clear my head.
@ 67 Liberace (he was a nice lad)
Jun 05th, 2016 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We have practically no armed forces while British typhoons fly over Argentina non disputed area” It's British with a 'B', idiot.
Quite right too, children should not be allowed lethal weapons, especially after 1982 when you cowards invaded a peaceful people, caused the deaths of islanders and crapped all over the place you filthy bastards.
Who GAF about your laughably called 'constitution' when it is changed at the drop of a hat to suit the Looney in charge.
You are lucky to have a new chance with Macri. If things had carried on as they were under TMBOA the UK would eventually have had to destroy you pitiful country just to prevent scum like you invading the Falklands (there are NO Malvinas you twat) again.
There are 15M Peronist vermin in Argentina: they are more of a threat to my peaceful Argentine friends than the Falklanders. Get rid of them, behave yourselves as a people and the Islanders might alter their views after 50 years of peace.
@58 Liberato
Jun 05th, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ I see no other people than the people who stole the place and mantains it by the threat of military force.”
In 1833, no British personnel or settlers landed from HMS Clio or HMS Tyne
. The majority of the settlers that formed the initial Falklands settlement during 1833 had been there working for Vernet, were South American They accepted British rule, otherwise they would have voted with their feet and left.
In fact, the majority of Pinedo's sailors were British. But they left the Islands.
So you have the paradox that the majority of the settlers that stayed in 1833 were gauchos that originated from South America.
Later on that century, Samuel Fisher Lafone bought over 150 Argentines that settled in the Islands under British rule.
They cannot possibly have been implants from the UK, being of South American nationality.
Also you infer that the British suddenly turned up in 1833.
There was a settlement from 1765-1774.
That is longer than the supposed United Provinces claim from 1829-1833 (four years) when Vernet was appointed UP governor (a slight problem here, as he accepted British sovereignty as well, having asked the British Consul in B.A. permission to set up a commercial venture on the Falklands, An odd action if the UP only had a claim to the Islands).
You infer that the UK has always maintained the Falklands by using military force-since 1833.
Can you therefore explain why Argentina was able to invade the Islands in 1982 if there was a substantial military force on the Islands?
“It seems that the self determination right is not more important for britain than territorial integrity after all”
So you are saying that Britain does not respect self determination in:
Bermuda?
Tristan da Cunha?
Pitcairn Island?
St Helena?
The BOTs in the Caribbean ?
You must surely be aware that the aim of the C24 is to promote independence of colonial peoples, however the UN also allows people to also have free association with other countries.
Why does Liberato use the French name for the British Falklands Archipelago? Malvinas/Malouines - why use these names for a British Overseas Territory?
Jun 05th, 2016 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 Liberato
Jun 05th, 2016 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be a colony under the UN definition it only matters if the territory is not self governing, not whether the people who live there are separate or not.
But you are right, the Islanders want to convince the UN they are different to British people but I don't think there are any actual rules on what counts as a people, and this seems like one of those things that is not really clear cut. What do you think determines if some group are a people or not?
“So the fact China has a huge army limit a supposedly self determination right?. They did not have a self determination right?. ”
Morally no, but practically of course it does, just ask Tibet! It doesn't matter what is right or what the law says if you can't enforce it, and this is generally the case with countries unfortunately.
And yes the Falklands are defended with weaponry, but they only defend against armed invasion, not any kind of legal challenge. If the army left then the law and diplomacy would not change, only change is Argentina would have the option to use force again.
Liberato - OK I will demonstrate some of the differences between Islanders - and the English/Welsh/Scottish/N.Irish who live in Great Britain:
Jun 05th, 2016 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They pay taxes to their Govts We pay taxes to Falkland Islands Govt
They receive free health care We receive free health care here - we do NOT
in UK as we pay no taxes there.
They receive a state pension WE receive a state pension from our Govt.We
from their Govt would not get one in UK as we have not paid
there
They us the £ Sterling and are in We use the Falkland £ - which yes has same
the Sterling area value face as UK£ - BUT we are outside the
Sterling area and our currency is foreign and
invalid in UK. If I want to buy sterling £s
here to pay a bill in England then the bank
sells them to me as a foreign currency.
They have their own Laws We have our own Laws-sometimes
quite different to UK,s.
I travel to UK- I take out Travel and Health Insurance- same as if I was going to Argentina or Russia etc
Does that help you a bit?
Mt great-great-great-grandfather WAS English! I am NOT - I am an Islander first and foremost.
Britain is a country I like to visit, I have friends there and some relatives- but it is NOT home - my HOME is here - my homeland- the Falkland Islands.
Yours no doubt is Argentina?
Islander1,
Jun 05th, 2016 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have given him too many facts for his infantile brain to process.
Liberato,
You need to stop lying & do some REAL research about the Falkland lslands.
Whatever you do, do not rely on lying Argentine books.
l'm sure that it will eventually dawn on you that these lslands have NEVER belonged to Argentina & you have been deluding yourself that they did.
#72: Islander, all the internal administration the uk gave to you means absolutelly nothing to the world community. zero. The “Falklands” Sterling have no value outside the islands. It is practically symbolic.
Jun 06th, 2016 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact you pay your taxes To the “Falklands Government” and not to the UK can be useful for you to deceive a visitor making them believe you are another country. becouse for the world you live in a colony. And that is not going to change no matter how many false constitutions or referendum are made wich, by the way, they were thought in London.
The English/Welsh/Scottish/N.Irish do not live in a colony, you live in a colony.
Let me be clear on this. Having different laws does not makes you independent, or self determined either. Before to the british invasion of 1833, Vernet paid their workers with his government's own money, That money was valid only in the islands. Does it means they were independent? of course not. Im sure there are laws that are not the same in Scotland than in England but does it means they are independent?. No. They are still part of the Union.
To resume whatever the UK do internally does not change the fact of the colonial situation in the islands.
#73: To debate with a british subject i only use british or international sources so im not accused of indoctrinated.
LIST of NON SELF GOVERNING TERRITORIES(NSGT):
Jun 06th, 2016 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
Liberat0- Actually I know of at least one Casa De Cambio in Punta Arenas that will accept Falklands Pounds and give same quantity pesos as if it was British pounds.
Jun 06th, 2016 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can change Falklands money any day in a Bank in Britain also - same as any other money.
If I were a citizen of any part of the Britain- I could go into hospital in any other part if I am ill in that other part - all for free.
As a Falkland Islander if I am in Britain and need to go to hospital - I will have to pay!
IF someone from Britain comes here on holiday and needs out hospital - they have to pay!
If anyone from Britain wants to come and live here- they CANNOT - they have to get a Work Permit first - exactly the same as if they were Australian-Chilean-Argentine.
If Argentina took us over we would 100% be an old fashioned Colony - straight out of the 19th Century ruled over by a foreign power we did not want.
Here today we have our own level of internal self Government which UK cannot interfere with(so long as we are not corrupt or undemocratic), which we have freely agreed with the UK.
We are not Independent - no - impossible with a large bully nation next door that will walk in the day after the British forces left! We need a big friendly power to protect us from that Nation who wishes to Colonize us.
#76: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g294272-i10987-k5021088-Can_we_use_British_pounds_in_the_Falklands-Stanley_East_Falkland.html
Jun 06th, 2016 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g294272-i10987-k5021088-Can_we_use_British_pounds_in_the_Falklands-Stanley_East_Falkland.html
Follow the travel advisor and keep the “Falklands Pound” as a souvenier when going back to the UK.
Look, internal laws in the nations means they can do whatever they want with it. Each provinces of Argentina has its own laws, its own government, Some are very different with each others. But it doesnt makes them less argentines or more argentines. You can have “laws” very different to those made in England or Scotland. But it doesnt makes you another people different to them. Nor it do not means it is not a colony.
It is only useful for you to deceive turists making them believe you are not a colony, while for the UN, the history is a lot different.
Lets go back to Hong Kong. Why do you think that Hong Kong residents have not a right to self determination while you do?.
Liberato LOOOOOOSSSSSSERRRRRRR!
Jun 06th, 2016 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands do not exit ONLY MALVINAS.
You are brutish pupet eating pirate LLLIIIESSS
Brutish surrender in 1982 to Glorious GALTIERI INVASION FORCE
ARGENTINA ARGENTINA ARGENTINA!!!
Thanks to god for great leader GALTIERI we took back the MALVINAS
brutish pirate loooooosers surrendered in 1982 and LOOOOOOser Liberato still doesn't know we won.
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
JAJAJAJA
I shit myself laughing at you
and I shit myself again because I shit myself
and I shit myself third time for luck
#78
Jun 06th, 2016 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a wind-up. Nobody can be that stupid, also look at the posting time-04:30 in Argentina ? I don't think so.
No wind here in Good Air City only wind up on English Clyde.
Jun 06th, 2016 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am proud CARTONERO in Buenos Aires. We work early recycling and protecting the environment. My parents are BOLIVIAN immigrants but I born 100% ARGENTINO.
I collect many old news papers and many useful things
Making good use of the things that we find.
Things that the everyday folks leave behind.
My collecting vehicle has cutting of 1982 papers and mobile wifi gift from CAMPORA.
@79 Clyde15,
Jun 06th, 2016 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0l agree with you, no-one can be that stupid.
l think that MalvineroSupremo is a British Troll.
Trying to wind us all up.
By the way..., Kelpers...
Jun 06th, 2016 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0You better find another way of financing that Brutish military backed Anglo Colonial Homeland Reservation in the South Atlantic...
Your Pirate Oil Fantasy is becoming less and less viable...
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/738805691528318976
Chuckle chuckle from sunny Norge...
EL Think...
In international law terms usually nationality, people used cologne and ethnicity . The island's population does not have any features that differentiates it as nationality or ethnicity, but neither is a native people of the islands colonized by Britain. What has been so far are British settlers of the Falklands, which have always expressed their willingness to remain so. The principle of self-determination is distorted if it is to interpret it so as to grant that right to nationals of the colonial power themselves, at the expense of the political community itself has suffered the colonial action “ . Therefore , the people kelper was never ” they colonized ” are British descendants.
Jun 06th, 2016 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - I know its Monday morning and maybe after to many Malts over the weekend - but the Islands do not have to pay for our Defence- all part of the UK Defence Budget(all 0.5 of 1% of it!)
Jun 06th, 2016 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of us(with any sense) were relying on oil income in our economy anyway - yet. It will come one day as we know- question is when - 5-10-15 years? - that will be decided by oil price and economics - not politics.
@83...Jamaica, Sao Tome and Principe.....In fact most of South and North America as they were nationals, subjects of the colonial crown, until they revolted, were they not?
Jun 06th, 2016 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So all the other nationalities on the Islands that are not British descendants, can they exercise self determination? Did that apply to Argentina too when they rebelled from the Spanish Crown, was it only the foreigners that were allowed to revolt to become an independent country, the Spanish subjects were not allowed to exercise their 'Self Determination'. Seems you are confusing Citizenship with Nationality.
It would appear from the referendum results that even if you took out those of British descent, the others would still have voted to remain a BOT
#80
Jun 06th, 2016 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on admit it , you are a Womble from Wimbledon Common !
@77 Liberato
Jun 06th, 2016 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islands don't have self government to fool tourists(!), all the British Overseas Territories have similar self government. Do you think people from Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, Pitcairn Islands etc are also just the same as British people?
Hong Kong residents should have the right to self determination.
@83 Evertano
I don't know what counts as a 'People', it seems like a very vague concept to me, but I am sure it can apply to settlers. The people who declared independence in Argentina were the descendants of Spanish settlers, the people who became independent in Australia and New Zealand were descendants of British settlers, and there are plenty of other examples.
The Cock Womble of Wimbledon common.
Jun 06th, 2016 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 083 Evertanoa - and Liberato. So we who are many generations born here have no rights as citizens nor the right to determine our own future- self determination.
Jun 06th, 2016 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So please come on here then and tell us WHAT RIGHT did those Spanish speaking people who were living in what became the “United Provinces” whose families came originally from Spain and had occupied the lands by pushing out the native peoples there- to Declare Independence from Spain in 1810 and take the land for themselves?
They were living in a land that belonged to others who had been there for centuries - who they had pushed out.
Do please tell us the difference between the rights of those people and the rights of the people whose families have lived in the Islands for up to 180 years and who pushed no native indigenous peoples out?
@ Islander1,
Jun 06th, 2016 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't bother trying to explain anything to these idiots.
l used to, but its a sheer waste of time as they are so full of indoctrination, hatred, hypocrisy & lies that they can never listen anyway.
They have no rights in the Falklands & deep down, they know it.
They are just hoping that we will weaken or that some limp-wristed politician will seek a “compromise” with Argentina & give them a foot in the door.
Falklanders have far more right to their homes than RGs have for Argentina even.
Cheers. I
The only sort of compromise the argies understand is when the RAF elects to use 30mm cannon instead of a standoff missile to splash a bandit.
Jun 06th, 2016 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 086
Jun 06th, 2016 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like these Wombles. When I peddle my cartonero cart I dream about being a successful Womble one day.
Who let him out?
Jun 07th, 2016 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Supreme ldiot, get back in your cage.
lf you're a good boy, we'll give you a wamble later.
#is OLDE
Jun 07th, 2016 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am free. Free like a buter flee, free like a bee. These are the words of my grandadi.
Is cold cloudy morning here. The streets of SAN TELMO are mine. I ride my triciclo enchulado. I have news papers, radio, wifi. I am happiest man on planet. Happier than all pirate LOOOOSERS prisoners of military industrial complex.
JAJAJAJAJAJA
All UK deluded (except Wombels of Wimbledom)
#83
Jun 07th, 2016 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I presume you are going chuckle chuckle to the Norwegians as they have taken a large hit with falling oil prices. Are you gloating at their misfortune ?
straitstimes.com/business/norways-bond-market-in-default-mode-on-oil-slump
@ 95,
Jun 07th, 2016 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0malvinero trollo supremo,
You're flying high.
Leave the Paco alone amigo.
lt will rot what little brain you have left.
Yes, we're all prisoners, here, trollo.
Can you save us pliz?
Da da da da da da da da, Dovetchka.
Thought I would make an appearance here, just for the sake of Mr Think whose arse I luuve sniffing.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oy vey!
98
Jun 07th, 2016 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, I'm the pathetic imitation of Voice.
Go sniff somewhere else.
99
Jun 07th, 2016 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are pathetic but I am even more pathetic than you.
100
Jun 07th, 2016 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok you can carry the title now. You are the new pathetic fake Voice.
Instead of Trade Mark, can we address you as Turd Mark?
@101 No.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turd Mark is CHICKEN SUPREMO. As he says somewhere in this thread “I shit myself laughing at you and I shit myself again because I shit myself and I shit myself third time for luck”
Was he in the Port Stanley Post Office way back in 1982, do you think?
I believe that the argie practice of shitting on floors and on the furniture in 1982 was not confined to the Post Office or even restricted to Stanley but was observed elsewhere in the Islands as well. Perhaps MercoPiss could do an article on this, as a reminder of the sorts we are dealing with.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree But you are right ... The Question of the islands is the dispute Malvinas1 the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Northern Argentina Republic contend for the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands and its adjacent sea archipelago located in the southwest Atlantic ocean 341 km off the coast of Patagonia and the UK 15.00km. The Malvinas are within the continental shelf of South America, surrounded by the sea epicontinental Argentina called Argentine Sea. The archipelago is since 1833 under control of the UK, which manages it as a British overseas territory.
Jun 07th, 2016 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina claimed rights over the islands and requires the transfer of sovereignty, considering them integral and indivisible part of its territory, maintaining that it has inherited from Spain after the declaration of independence in 1816. The United Kingdom also claims that the islands are part of its territory legitimate for other reasons WHAT?
As for the population of the islands, majority British origin, claim the right to self-determination is applied and been told by referendum in 2013 that are British and want to stay that way. sI are British, WITH CON to be discussed it is the British government and not with the government kelpers As for the population, Argentina recognized as British but clarifies that the dispute is only the territory.
At the discretion of the United Nations is a disputed territory that included in the list of Territories under supervision of the Decolonization Committee
Hey Evertano....a quick few question, how did Argentina inherit the Islands from Spain if they were at war with them in a war of independence. When did Spain sign over the Islands to Argentina. When did Spain recognise Argentina as a sovereign nation in order to hand you the Islands or for you to inherit them?
Jun 07th, 2016 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Evertano - another question - what makes you think that the Falkland Islands are 'under supervision of the Decolonization Committee'?
Jun 07th, 2016 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Decolonisation Committee as you call it is really called “UN Committee on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” It was set up in the 1960’s to assist countries that were becoming independent. It consists of the representatives of (currently) 29 countries, I believe, but like the United Nations General Assembly they can pass resolutions but are only advisory not binding and the clue to their function is in the words 'assist' and 'Granting of Independence”.
Consequently they 'supervise' nothing except when they have their coffee break.
104 Evertano
Jun 07th, 2016 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is impossible for Argentina to claim any rights to the Islands as they prohibited under the following prior Anglo-Spanish treaties. Peace of Utrecht, “...it is hereby further agreed and concluded, that neither the Catholic King, nor any of his heirs ...by any means, or under any name, alienate from them and the crown of Spain,..., or to any other nations whatever, ... or any part thereof, belonging to Spain in America.”
The Nootka Convention: ”...Article VI provided that neither party would form new establishments on any of the islands adjacent to the east and west coasts of South America then occupied by Spain....... there was an additional secret article which stipulated that Article VI shall remain in force only so long as no establishment shall have been formed by the subjects of any other power on the coasts in question........the occupation of the settlement (at Port Louis) ...negated Article VI and allowed Great Britain to re-assert prior sovereignty and form new settlements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootka_Convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootka_Convention
“The Malvinas are within the continental shelf of South America” “ICJ in the North Sea continental shelf cases, ...based their claim ...on the doctrine of proximity,.... In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, ... now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own ”continental shelves,” p.74
The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the AngloArgentine..By Roberto C. Laver
The UN cannot determine legal disputes as that is the exclusive preserve of the ICJ.
@104 Evertano
Jun 08th, 2016 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I could give you Britain's reasons but I'm more interested in what would make you change your mind.
Hypothetically would you still think the islands belonged to Argentina if:
They were claimed and administered since 1833 by a nearby country instead, say Brazil?
The original settlers weren't from Britain but some other country? Or the people living there were native to the islands?
What if Spain also claimed the islands and said they weren't part of Argentina but always Spanish?
Or what if they became independent and the UK forces left? Would you be happy for them to be their own country?
By the way, is your name a football reference?
@104
Jun 10th, 2016 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ under supervision of the Decolonization Committee”
Who's remit is to assist colonies with attaining independence from their colonisers.
Therefore if the C24 were doing their job, rather than promoting Argentine Imperialism, they should, according to their remit, be assisting the Falkland Islands to gain independence from the UK.
#109: Let me remind you that the UK did not colonized the islanders living in Malvinas. In any case the only people colonized by Britain in Malvinas was the argentine people.
Jun 11th, 2016 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0110 Liberato
Jun 11th, 2016 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Instead of repeating Argentine unsubstantiated claims, please show where under UN Charter that decolonization is only applicable; where there are two different ethnic entities involved.
@110 Libretto, when is Argentina going to de-colonise Tierra del Fuego?
Jun 11th, 2016 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Una vez fundado el establecimiento Penal en Tierra del Fuego, la República habrá puesto los cimientos de la colonización...” (Ministerio de Justicia e Instrucción Pública, Memoria presentada al Congreso, 1883)
#110: unsubstantiated? when did the Malvinas islands stopped being a colony?.
Jun 12th, 2016 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0#112: As far as i know Tierra del Fuego is not a colony. Maybe you should read more.
Libretto, you need to study more, and learn about how Tierra del Fuego was colonised, and how the population there is implanted.
Jun 12th, 2016 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Liberato.
Jun 12th, 2016 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has much to return.
1) Land stolen from Paraguay in 1871.
2) Patagonia stolen from the native peoples in the 1880s.
3) Tierra del Fuego, stolen again from the native peoples in the 19th century.
Most of you should just pack up & return to Spain & ltaly, as you are an implanted population.
Squatters, in fact.
and
Jun 12th, 2016 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 04) squatting on the British Antarctic territory, which including firing on British civilians personnel in 1952
5) making additional claims contrary to provisions of the Antarctic Treaty, to which Argentistan is a signatory
6) attempted but failed recent expansionism, including the unsuccessful 1978 plan to steal three islands in Chile's XII region. Argentistan had plans to return to their invasion of Chile had not the UK interrupted their malevolence in 1982.
... and so on
Argentistan must be contained.
#114: Again, Tierra del Fuego is not a colony, and if you dont believe me, go to the UN webpage and see it for yourself. or just Google it. The case of Malvinas is quite different. They have never been nothing else than a territory under a colonial situation.
Jun 12th, 2016 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#115, 116:
1) Paraguay recognize the argentine territory and there is no paraguayan claim over our sovereignty. Stolen is more british word.
2)There was no other power, no other nation in Patagonia that Argentina have invaded or stolen a territory.
3) Again, there was no other nation in Tierra del Fuego and for your information, We've earned our independence from Spain. We are not spanish nor italian.
4) There is no British Antartic Territory. Only an imperialistic nation in the north that wants a piece once more, of territories in the other side of the world.
And what you said in this point is stupid. Its like the Operación Highjump or the invasion of british royal marines with machine guns, rifles and gas that expelled two argentines in charge of a refuge in deception, etc.
5) Which additional claims are you talking about?
6) Argentina and Chile have one of the longest frontiers in the world. There is still to this day, a sector under diplomatic dispute if i remember correctly. In 1978 in Argentina, there was a coup d'etat, a civico-militar dictatorial regime supported by a part of the society and international governments, one of which was the UK under the Thatcher government of 1979.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-ready-to-sell-aircraft-to-junta-just-days-before-falklands-attack-8604088.html
Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, etc. i Think it is the Brutish that should be contained.
@ 117 “ In 1978 in Argentina, there was a coup d'etat, ”
Jun 12th, 2016 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong on this and so many other things, Libretto. Infórmate. In 1978 there was an Argentine military attempt to steal three islands that are part of Chilean territory. Those islands were Lennox, Picton, and Nueva. I was in Argentina as an observer at the time of the preparations for this Casi Guerra and try though you might, you can't fool us about those events.
@ 117 “There is no British Antartic Territory”
Infórmate, Libretto. The British Antarctic Territory (BAT) is a sector of Antarctica claimed by the UK and comprises the region south of 60°S latitude and between longitudes 20°W and 80°W, forming a wedge shape that extends to the South Pole. When the Antarctic Treaty expires, Argentina will be expelled from the British Antarctic Territory.
@ 117 Liberato,
Jun 12th, 2016 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) l do not know what Paraguay does or thinks about its stolen land, but you cannot deny that Argentina STOLE land from Paraguay in 1871.
Perhaps Argentina, who we all know, always does the right thing, should offer to return Paraguay's land?
l am sure that Paraguay would like THEIR LAND back.
2) There may have been no European power in Patagonia in the 1880s BUT there was an indigenous native population WHO OWNED the land & Argentina mainly killed them, then STOLE their land.
Patagonia DOES NOT belong to Argentina.
3)The same for Tierra del Fuego.
Actually there were British people, some from the Falklands, in both TDF & Southern Patagonia BEFORE you squatting Argentines arrived.
And you have the gall to call the Falklanders “squatters”
You may have “earned” your independence from Spain, but you are living on land stolen from other people.
4) There IS a British Antarctic Territory indeed.
lt was claimed long before you johnny-come-lately Argentines came.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it not so.
Hope this helps my deluded little malvinista.
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