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Nothing bogus about Continental Shelf claims

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By Osvaldo N Mársico (Chairman of COPLA) (*) - In my capacity as the head of the COPLA National Committee on Argentina’s Continental Platform at the Foreign Ministry, I would like to refer to the letter of Professor Peter Willets published last Saturday (Mercopress) concerning the outer limit of the Argentine continental shelf and clarify some mistakes and misconceptions evident in Professors Willets’ letter. Read full article

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  • GALlamosa

    What a complete load of tosh.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    “comprises the shelf pertaining to the entire Argentine territory: continental territory, the Malvinas, South Georgia and Sandwich Islands and the Argentine Antarctica. It cannot be otherwise since all of them are Argentine territories”

    Where does it say that Argentina has sovereignty over these area apart from his imagination.
    In the case of Antarctica I believe Russia and the USA have said, sod off.

    Is their no limit to ARGENTINA'S KLEPTOMANIA!

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Totally agree! Typical 100% thick bullshit full Argie ! Of course their is a dispute recognized by the UN - has been ever since 1964 at the UN and maybe longer - Christ these Argies are thick and having to clutch at straws to justify their ballsups!

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    ln your dreams Marsico.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roisin Dubh

    Here it is, full recommendation of CLCS finally published.
    http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5f8060ad-d41a-401a-97a1-cbb78f5d3c52

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    What the UN actually said,

    ''With regard to the recommendations in respect of the submission made by Argentina, it is recalled that, previously, the Commission had already decided that it was not in a position to consider and qualify those parts of the submission that were subject to dispute and those parts that were related to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica ''(see CLCS/64, paras. 76 and 77 and CLCS/76 para. 57) And Paragraph 3 of UN Press Release from Ban Ki-Moon's office dated 28th March 2016:

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sea2030.doc.htm

    And some relevant international law:

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sea2030.doc.htm

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    And once again Argentina is in violation of the treaties it signs.

    Good for entertainment, though. Sort of the Kim Jong-un of Sudacamerica.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Felipe Ordoñez de Rivera

    Totally delusional. Utter bollocks.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    Straight from the horse’s mouth

    Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf

    Summary of recommendations of the commission on the limits of the continental shelf in regard to the submission made by Argentina on 21 april 2009

    5 The Commission then continued its meeting in private. Addressing the modalities for the consideration of the Submission … the Commission decided that, in accordance with its Rules of Procedure, it was not in a position to consider and qualify those parts of the Submission that were subject to dispute. The Commission decided that it would instruct the Subcommission, once established in accordance with rule 51, paragraph 4 ter, of the Rules of Procedure,at a future session, to act accordingly.

    6 The Commission then took note of the following notes verbales on the issue of the area appurtenant to Antarctica: ... the Commission decided that, in accordance with the Rules of Procedure, it was not in a position to consider and qualify the part of the Submission that related to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica. The Commission decided that it would likewise instruct the Subcommission, once established, to act accordingly.

    11 The Commission then continued its meeting in private … the Commission reiterated its instructions, in accordance with the Rules of Procedure, that the Subcommission not consider and qualify those parts of the Submission that were subject to dispute or that related to the continental shelf appurtenant to Antarctica.

    19 The Recommendations of the Commission … shall not prejudice matters relating to delimitation of boundaries between States with opposite or adjacent coasts, or prejudice the position of States which are parties to a land or maritime dispute, or application of other parts of the Convention or any other treaties.

    http://www.un.org/depts/los/clcs_new/submissions_files/arg25_09/2016_03_11_COM_SUMREC_ARG.pdf

    ‘nuf said

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    ”The piece is in reply to two articles published by MercoPress on June 3rd, “

    Interesting that the Argentine Govt keeps a close eye on MercoPress articles...

    Marti Llazo.......Argentina is watching you....;-))))

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Is anyone surprised by the complete denial of the reality of the situation by this apology of a 'diplomat'?

    No, I didn't think so.

    Macri needs to weed out liars and imbeciles from his diplomat service before Argentina regains it's laughing stock reputation so coveted by TMBOA.

    This nonsense is enough to bring on yet another bout of arrhythmia!

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roisin Dubh

    http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5f8060ad-d41a-401a-97a1-cbb78f5d3c52
    Nothing bogus about this report either ..... it's the CLCS finalized published recommendation.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    So first we have.....'In the first place, it is necessary to explain that the outer limit of the Argentine continental shelf comprises the shelf pertaining to the entire Argentine territory: continental territory, the Malvinas, South Georgia and Sandwich Islands and the Argentine Antarctica. It cannot be otherwise since all of them are Argentine territories and therefore, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, they all have their corresponding maritime areas, including the continental shelf.'

    then later on .....

    '...has deferred the analysis of the area under a sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom.'

    So Sr Marsica, what is it? You actually blow your own argument. The UN recognises that those areas under dispute do not at present belong to Argentina, if they did, then they would have considered them, therefore you argument is severely flawed.

    The difference seems to be that Argentina 'thinks' that they areas are theirs and so therefore they must be, even if the sovereignty lies with someone else. Sr Marsica, kindly name one other country in the Antarctic Treaty for example that agreed with your claim to those territories....you can claim what you like, but no one else will recognise it.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    Why are so many Argentine citizens in the public eye permitted to spout such false statements and make the country appear even more of a rogue nation than it already is? What a crowd of boludos and nabos!

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    It's all been said already. The Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are NOT argie territory. I'm surprised that argieland didn't claim the shoreline of Africa as the outer limits of argie territory. They could have got 4,000 miles or more. This is the head of COPLA? Has he heard of reality. Would he be persuaded if the part of “argie territory” called the Falkland Islands decided to direct the Royal Air Force to bomb Buenos Aires? Would that be a war or provincial civil unrest?

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice ™

    And be assured #10, Cheltenham is closely watching YOU!

    Utter Schmoe…

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @10 “ Marti Llazo.......Argentina is watching you.”

    I am not at all surprised. After all, they are in dire need of some competent assistance and my work here is greatly admired.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    http://www.argentine-embassy-uk.org/docs/embajada/Copy%20of%20embajada_home.shtml

    It seems this individual, Osvaldo N Mársico, was chargé d'affaires at the Argentine Embassy at one time. Date not available.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Methinks he is playing with words; these for a start off - “ It cannot be otherwise since all of them are Argentine territories...”

    Err, no they ain't Senor LOL

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejo

    http://www.plataformaargentina.gov.ar/es/la-comisión-nacional-del-l%C3%ADmite-exterior-de-la-plataforma-continental-copla

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • McGregor

    Dear Mr Marsico,

    I thought we clearly explained in 82 that the Falklands, South Georgia & Sandwhich Islands were NOT Argentine territory ! Please try to keep up with events !

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    “When the Recommendations adopted by the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf by consensus were explained, it was made clear that the latter, in accordance with its Rules of Procedure, has deferred the analysis of the area under a sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom”.

    “That is exactly the importance of the Recommendations for us on that particular point: it represents a new recognition by an international body of the existence of such a dispute, especially when the other party in the controversy, namely the United Kingdom, refuses to acknowledge it”.

    ”The Commission just deferred the analysis due to the existence of a dispute“.

    ”The outcome of the Recommendations is that the limit that Argentina establishes in the area which was actually analyzed by the Commission becomes final and binding for the whole international community”.

    Are all these paragraphs so difficult to understand? Are they so offensive?

    Does any one in his/her right mind deny the existance of a dispute? Otherwise the South Atlantic would be a paradise of love and peace....

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    pgerman, the only thing intelligent people fail to understand, is how your civil servants think it is acceptable to mislead the population at every turn.

    Just to remind you here is the official release:http://www.mrecic.gov.ar/en/argentina-presented-today-outer-limits-its-continental-shelf

    Note the paragraph....

    'The Foreign Minister also informed the following: “The surface area in the demarcation presented, extending between the 200 nautical miles and the outer limit, is approximately 1,700,000 sq kilometres- the equivalent of around 48% of the land territory of the Argentine Republic. This adds to the approximately 4,800,000 sq kilometres comprised between the baseline and the 200 nautical miles limit.” I firmly believe that this is a very important achievement in Argentine foreign policy.”

    So did she or did she not maintain in that release, that Argentina had achieved their aim of gaining everything in their presentation to the committee, when in fact they had achieved a fraction of what they showed.

    That, my dear chap is what is so offensive and difficult for intelligent, sane and non Argentine people to understand. It is the major disrespect and almost comical performances the government officials act out with regard to the Falklands, without shame or embarrassment.

    Maybe they just don't see it as they have years of indoctrination shoved down their throats from a young age. Perhaps it is the normal way to behave, part of their culture, but to the outsider it just seems to portray them as fools, a big joke.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Pgerman - 'us?' Are you a German squatter trying to invade and take over other peoples homes? Its in your blood isnt it? If you think this committee's pronouncements have any influence anywhere you are deluded as spelt out many times above. Tbe Falkland Islands will remain British for ever. You have no valid arguments.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    “and on the North Sea area, where a sovereignty dispute also exists among the United Kingdom, Ireland, Iceland and Denmark.”
    NO such dispute exists
    I assume he refers to Rockall which is in the North Atlantic, miles away from the North Sea.
    The claim of the Danish Crown exists through the Faroe Islands which are of a similar status to the Falklands though with a lesser degree of independence and indeed have voted for independence from Denmark.
    Not a squeak from the C24 UN committee.
    . Surprise, surprise???

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @22 pgerman
    What this represents is yet another tissue of lies by an Argy government.

    No truth in what they claimed in their original announcements, none whatsoever.

    That’s the point here, a point you seem to completely miss.

    Now this man seems to be saying that they have coloured in all the maps blue, so hey it must be true, cannot be otherwise.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @22

    The Commitee on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, as it's name implies, is concerned only with the continental shelf, i.e the seabed. In consequence, it has no competence over waters or islands, and no more role in declaring a sovereignity dispute than the United Nations Committee on Coffee and Catering. All it has done in this case, is recognise that overlapping claims for extensions to the continental shelf were submitted by Britain and Argentina. It is really rather hard to see how anybody in Argentina can regard any part of this fiasco as a victory.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @27 “ It is really rather hard to see how anybody in Argentina can regard any part of this fiasco as a victory.”

    Given the inveterate predilection for failure in Argentistan, and a long history of snatching fracaso from the jaws of success, one can only assume the Orwellian notions of Gran Hermano are at work, wherein “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” And failure is argie for success.

    So you see this sort of thing was not confined to Kirchnerism.

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MALVINERO SUPREMO

    The Commitee on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, as it's name implies, is concerned only with the continental shelf, i.e the seabed. In consequence, it has no competence over waters or islands, JAja It has influence on the waters,living organism...
    Bravo Dr MArsico!Excellent job,and the area AWARDED to Argentina is HUGE.In fact,the Argnetine EEZ,Surrounds all the South Atlantic islands,for Seabed and Living organism..https://twitter.com/KohenMarcelo/status/715501895335460864?lang=en

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    29 SUPREMO idiota
    The CLCS is subordinate to the rulings of the ICJ. ”International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,” p.74
    The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine... By Roberto C. Laver

    Jun 07th, 2016 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MALVINERO SUPREMO

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    31 SUPREMO idiota
    The Convention link is a waste of time since it cannot refute in any manner a judicial ruling on its application by the ICJ. Your guess as to the legal interpretation is completely refuted by the ICJ. PELOTUDO ah! the Argentine obsession with anuses surfaces again.
    “HELSINGIN SANOMAT INTERNATIONAL EDITION - FOREIGN
    Falkland Islands - positive outcome of a senseless war
    Defeat to British ended era of military dictatorships in South America
    By Kari Huhta
    .... After the restoration of democracy, the #1 bestseller at bookstalls in Buenos Aires was Nunca Más -“Never Again”, a report on the atrocities of the dictatorship, and next to it a book called Sexo Anal that probably needs no explanation….”
    I guess that was the #2 bestseller, couldn't understand Argentinean obsessions with anuses. I gather now its the social norm there, they're just trying to be friendly.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    The Mal Rimero is providing such entertainment. Along the lines of Los Tres Chiflados. Is he/she/it truly choliviano?

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MALVINERO SUPREMO

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @32 Terrence Hill

    “Argentinean obsessions with anuses”? - weren't you already aware that most of them are “arse holes”?

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @Malvinero Supremo
    “and the area AWARDED to Argentina is HUGE.In fact,the Argnetine EEZ,Surrounds all the South Atlantic islands,for Seabed and Living organism”

    You still haven't realised that you have not been awarded what you think you have. should you not read the UN report first before you post further?

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brucey-babe

    We claimed sovereignty over Sth. Georgia in 1775 therefor I think we Brits. have a better claim on the continental shelf than Argentina which in my mind makes them squatters !

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MALVINERO SUPREMO

    redrow:and the area AWARDED to Argentina is HUGE.In fact,the Argnetine EEZ,Surrounds all the South Atlantic islands,for Seabed and Living organism”

    You still haven't realised that you have not been awarded what you think you have. should you not read the UN report first before you post further?
    JAJAJ Already in place .A Big chunk.and uk GOT NOTHING!

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Argentina IS nothing, Troll.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @29. I don't have the benefit of a map or chart of the relevant area conveniently marked in miles and kilometres. Rio Gallegos being on the same latitude as the Falkland Islands, the distance between the two is 414.85 miles. But the Falkland Islands have their own continental shelf. UNCLOS states that where the territorial waters and EEZs of neighbouring states overlap, the limit of each state's jurisdiction is midway between the baselines. That means that argieland gets exactly 207.425 miles in which to include its territorial sea (12 miles) and another 195.425 miles for the EEZ. That's all! And you might want to think about the waters to the east of the Islands. The Islanders get 212 miles that way. And if argie waters go past, argieland can't join them up to the east of the Islands. Do make sure your charts are properly marked, won't you. I suppose you would be sad at the thought of one of your few remaining boats sinking because of your ideas about argie waters “surrounding” OUR territories. And you can't afford to lose any of your few remaining planes either.
    @31, 34. You don't seem to be having a lot of success. Perhaps you're saying naughty things. Don't forget to stay 212 miles or more away from the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. We might decide to play some war games with live munitions. Or we might classify your rafts as terrorist infiltrators. Remember that submarines must sail on the surface. Failure to do so is a breach of UNCLOS and might be classed as an act of war.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    “last March that the United Nations had endorsed its claim around the Falkland Islands.”

    Oh so now its been downgraded to a 'claim'. A few weeks ago they were crowing about the continental shelf extension in terms of it being a fact! More bullshit to feed through the great Malvinas myth mill.

    They forgot to consider that, even if the 'claim' became a reality, because the Falklands, South Georgia etc don't belonga Argentina, these Islands will have their own continental shelves, which could also be extended outwards the same distance as Argentina's 'claimed' shelf.

    What a deluded bunch of muppets these thieving argies are.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MALVINERO SUPREMO

    uk iS FINISHED!MERCOSUR DOES NOT GIVE a damn about the brutish CALIPHATE!BYE bye,LOSERS!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ2WoL5pbak

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    We have been “losers” since at least 1939. Guess what, we are still here and thriving whereas you are SO far down the tubes that it would need dynamite to blow you out. That's an interesting thought.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @38 Chicken Supreme

    “JAJAJ Already in place .A Big chunk.and uk GOT NOTHING”

    Explaining why the UK/Falkland Islanders occupy the Falklands, South Georgia and the seas around them?

    You display typical Argentine logic, myth becoming reality. But 1982 showed what happened when reality overtakes myth.

    As you are faecally obsessed , you will understand the term, 'shit for brains'.

    Certainly true in your case amigo.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Cartonero, what are you on, and where can I get some? I can get 20 of your Pesos for my pound these days. I should redouble your efforts picking up cardboard and plastic I am sure the Chinese can use it. Not so long ago I could only get about 10 Pesos for my pound.

    News is, your economy has collapsed. Worry less about territory and start making better use of what you have got.

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @42 I suspect you are a reencarnation of Paul Cedron - your preoccupation with your faeces gives you away. Nabo!

    Jun 08th, 2016 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    Part of the tragedy is that this knob and his cronies managed to drag the MFA into fronting the tirade of deception. The opportunity to step back from stoking up the masses through lies and untruths was lost. Huge chunks of credibility went with it.

    If that is the quality of your judgement Mrs Malcorra the Sec Gens job is not for you.

    Jun 09th, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Whether it comes from a ministry, a president, an empresario, a gremio, or a national statistics agency, there is no claim quite so vacuous and false as that which is made by an Argentine.

    Jun 09th, 2016 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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