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Argentina calls on UK to strengthen bilateral relations and for Malvinas dialogue
The Argentine government reiterates its full willingness for an open dialogue with the United Kingdom to strengthen the bilateral relation and indentify possible cooperation areas in the South Atlantic. Likewise it invites the UK to resume negotiations on the Malvinas question in the framework of the UN General Assembly resolution 2065, according to an official statement from the Argentine foreign ministry released on Friday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina going back in time again, Argentina grow a pair and admit lying to your people. Actually, who gives a shit what Martin Rodriguez signed in 1829. I signed a piece of paper saying I owned a golf course as I had subscribed for many years, does that mean I own it? Of course not for fucks sake “ jog on ” Argentina and admit you will never own the FALKLANDS.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0When these idiots start going on about South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, they merely confirm their complete lack of respect for the UK and its people.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I could get really angry until I remember the the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands remain British territory, protected by very capable armed forces.
R.I.P. 2065. Stabbed in the back in 1982, by its best friend. Lingered but died in 1984 when poor 2065 was buried at the request of its assassin.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it June 10th again? Must be. Same old nonsense is issued every year. All long debunked. Argentina's claim is an international joke. A joke Argentina just cannot see.
:-)
I thought this was all settled in 1982 when the UN issued a binding resolution telling Argentina to get out of the Falklands? They didnt and were defeated and thrown out by British forces.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now they want to colonise the Falklands against the will of the Falklanders and take over other British territory that they never owned? You couldnt make it up!
And now they are trying to cosy up to us and borrow money. Are they mad?
RIP 2065 XX from 1965
Jun 10th, 2016 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The world has moved on: https://www.academia.edu/10573354/UNGA_2065_XX_Question_of_The_Falkland_Islands_16_Dec_1965
“The culmination of this process was the decree establishing the Military and Civilian command of the Malvinas Islands precisely on 10 June 1829, and appointing Luis Vernet as its head.”
Jun 10th, 2016 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0But of course, no mention of the diplomatic protest from Great Britain in 1929 and in 1832 which was ignored by the United Provinces. No change then, Argentina , as with the United Provinces still has it's butt up its ers completely ignoring Britain's protests yet claiming it's own are valid.
If you want to negotiate Argentina, completely dismissing the evidence on Britain's side, way way more than Argentina possesses on its side, means the UK does not have to consider your side, therefore stalemate and the situation is, despite what Argentine delusionists think, is that the Falkland Islanders run the Islands and the UK protects it.
The mere fact that Argentian apart from 1982 had nothing to do with South Georgia seems to have completely escaped them.
“Argentina as heir of the Spanish territories in the south of the continent”
Therefore Chile as well.
“and an administrative office in Malvinas.”
What office?
“Exercising Argentine full sovereignty over the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands plus adjoining maritime spaces, respecting the way of life of its inhabitants and in conformity with international law, remains a standing inalienable objective of the Argentine people, as established in the First Transitory Clause of the national constitution”.
Many words-literal diarrohea describing an unobtainable myth that will only be realised when the rest of the world are escaping the Earth after the sun becomes a red giant.
Of course.Argentina cannot provide a single shred of evidence to support their claim that they “inherited” the Islands from Spain .
Jun 10th, 2016 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no tripartite agreement between the UK, Spain and UP and subsequently Argentina and there never was.
“Emancipation” from Spain. I wonder if the indigenous people would agree with that sentiment.
Here we go again - when will Argentina grow up - yawn
Jun 10th, 2016 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if argieland understands that there are a limited number of methods by which one achieves sovereignty under international law.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_sovereignty
I don't see “inheritance” in the list. In fact, taking things further, I don't see a lawful means by which argieland acquired Patagonia or Tierra del Fuego. See the section on “Conquest”.
Note that, in 1833 and again in 1982, Britain didn't conquer, it re-established British rule. During the 19th century, British rule was actually accepted by the only other state with a potential claim. I say “potential” because Spain's “claim” was always pretty ropey.
By mentioning Luis Vernet I see that argieland has thought up a new method. Shall we call it “fraud”? Vernet went to the British Consul in Montevideo and requested approval for a commercial venture. No mention made of any agreement he had with the United Provinces. When the UP announced that he was the Military and Civilian commandant, Britain protested. I expect that Britain was a bit concerned at events in Russia, Turkey and India at the time.
Bloody cheek!
Jun 10th, 2016 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just goes to show that despite those early conciliatory comments from the Macri Govt - the reality is simple:
Jun 10th, 2016 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0President Macri and his Foreign Minister are just as full as the same Bullshit and Diarrohea as the Kirscheners - all in the same mental Fantasy Land.
“Argentina as heir of the Spanish territories in the south of the continent, including the Malvinas and other South Atlantic Islands”
Jun 10th, 2016 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which is an impossibility as Spain had never made a claim to the “other South Atlantic Islands”
It is impossible for Argentina to claim any rights to the Falklands as they're prohibited under the following prior Anglo-Spanish treaties. Peace of Utrecht, “...it is hereby further agreed and concluded, that neither the Catholic King, nor any of his heirs ...by any means, or under any name, alienate from them and the crown of Spain,... or to any other nations whatever, ... or any part thereof, belonging to Spain in America.”
The Nootka Convention: ”...Article VI provided that neither party would form new establishments on any of the islands adjacent to the east and west coasts of South America then occupied by Spain....... there was an additional secret article which stipulated that Article VI shall remain in force only so long as no establishment shall have been formed by the subjects of any other power on the coasts in question........the occupation of the settlement (at Port Louis) ...negated Article VI and allowed Great Britain to re-assert prior sovereignty and form new settlements.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootka_Convention en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Apcbg/Nootka_Sound_Convention
“there is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”. Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Professor Ian Brownlie
Future of the Falkland Islands will be decided at Westminster Palace and not in Stanley.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain, have serious problems maintaining a stupid military force in the islands that only generates costs all British must pay to hold something that definitely does not belong. Malvinas is a barrel dud! The international community supports the legitimate Argentine claim. The Falkland Islands are not self-sufficient to maintain the defense of the Islands, the technology deployed in the Falklands deteriorates rapidly and need to be constantly updating and renewing is a cathedral in the desert without reasonable grounds of being.
The reality of the XXI century is another, if Britain negotiates with Argentina on Falklands and its adjacencies without doubt not only stop junking taxes the British people, but it would profit in all areas. Without the collaboration in logistics and legal in Argentina, Falklands could never exploit the oil wealth, which are already embargoed http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201506/110564-embargos-secuestro-petroleras-malvinas.html No one will risk areas and other private assets to confront a nation with reasons and legal international and UN. It is not a matter of blind passion, it is a matter of economics and intelligence.
Spanish Italians stole Argentina. Give it back you squatters
Jun 10th, 2016 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 013 Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina couldn't legally have inherited any of the South Atlantic Islands. Nor is there any significant costs to the UK. Ownership of the Islands has long been established by the UK under international law. 'As late as 1886 the Secretary of State found it necessary to inform the Argentine Government that as “the resumption of actual occupation of the Falkland Islands by Great Britain in 1833 took place under a claim of title which had been previously asserted and maintained by that Government, i....”
P.60 Sovereignty and the Falkland Islands Crisis D.W. Greig
Nothing from the UN can be legally applied as there is a bar against apply international law retroactively.
It costs Argentina more than the UK in their conflict according to Carlos Escudé. He warned: “If Argentina had power, I would not be doing these proposals,” but reasoned that “pursue policies of power without power is counterproductive” because “leads to losing more than you earn systematically”
“La reivindicación argentina de Malvinas solo sirve para comprar el voto de ciudadanos poco educados”
http://www.infobae.com/2014/11/10/1607855-la-reivindicacion-argentina-malvinas-solo-sirve-comprar-el-voto-ciudadanos-poco-educados
Falklands War Cost-Benefit Analysis
The price of war
”Although the Falklands War had a very noticeable short-term impact on defence expenditure, the impact was not long-lasting. Notwithstanding the first few years after the conflict, when South Atlantic expenditure was greatly consumed by the construction of RAF Mount Pleasant (operational from 1986), the amount spent wasn't overly significant. In 1986-7, it was only 2.23% of total defence expenditure, and by 1989-90, a mere 0.33%. At their height (1982-3), the war's effects represented only 6.76% of total defence expenditure.
http://www.infobae.com/2014/11/10/1607855-la-reivindicacion-argentina-malvinas-solo-sirve-comprar-el-voto-ciudadanos-poco-educados
Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The international community supports the legitimate Argentine claim”
Name the countries that support Argentina's sovereignty.
Don't bother to include Latam or Spain just the other 180 coutries or so that exist world-wide.
I don't mean support negotiations between the UK and Argentina (not forgetting the Falkland Islanders themselves who must be a party to any negotiations) but have actually stated that the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina. If you can name 91 then I will accept your statement. If you cannot then I assume that being an honourable man (I assume) you will accept that your statement is fallacious.
13
Jun 10th, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't mean to be rude but that was the biggest load of rubbish I've read for ages.
You are wrong on just about everything you try to say.
Perhaps it's your appalling English but it's simply not possible to take you seriously.
Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way I forgot to metion that Westminster Palace is a knocking shop in Nevada (allegedly).
13 Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The international community supports the legitimate Argentine claim”
The only legally admissible support applicable are those from 1833 when not one country recognized the Argentine claim. But, by tacit admission of 'silence' accepted the UK's claim.
@13 Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you obtain all this mistaken information to aver that “The reality of the XXI century is another, if Britain negotiates with Argentina on Falklands and its adjacencies without doubt not only stop junking taxes the British people, but it would profit in all areas. Without the collaboration in logistics and legal in Argentina, Falklands could never exploit the oil wealth, which are already embargoed www.telam.com.ar/notas/201506/110564-embargos-secuestro-petroleras-malvinas.html No one will risk areas and other private assets to confront a nation with reasons and legal international and UN. It is not a matter of blind passion, it is a matter of economics and intelligence.”
Todo esto son boludeces de un ignorante.
Terence Hill
Jun 10th, 2016 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0from that perspective then all countries that support the Argentine claim ( 130 countries plus China http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1467066-respaldo-de-130-paises-a-la-argentina-por-malvinas ) including the United nations, they are stupid and know nothing of international law . Terence hill , you should postularte as a candidate as Secretary General of the UN and bring order there !!
21 Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the issue was ever submitted to ICJ or similar tribunal. What any countries opinion to-day would be admissible. Therefore, such opinions are reduced to the political entity of vox populi. Thus, carrying no more weight than cheer-leader status, and confirming that the only claim that Argentina can make is an efficiency of lying. That such countries either don't understand international law, or choose to ignore it. Regardless, there is no legitimate power on earth that can alter the status quo.
@21
Jun 10th, 2016 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do not have to persuade us, you need to cosy up to the FALKLANDERS, but I am afraid you dashed that in 1982. Anyway you all ought to leave Argentina as you should , if not hypocrites, realise that the native Indians prior to your conquest of the desert own Argentina.
20 21 Bill and Ben, flowerpot men.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Flubadub!
Everanto- amused by all the crap you posted but in particular by your claim that Argentina has and is stopping oil operations around th Islands?
Jun 10th, 2016 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please give us some clear firm examples of this where Argentina has STOPPED and PREVENTED Operations around the Islands by the operators here:
Premier Oil
Noble Energy
and those others who have share agreements with these 2 main operators.
One thing - and one thing only has caused the current slowing down of operations here - World Oil Price - and when it reac hes the right level then the impetus will speed up again.
Simple old law.
And nothing Argentina can do to stop it - unless she buys some ships and planes fast and then dares to use them - which would bring tremendous military and economic retribution on Argetinaq if she ever were so stupid.
@13, 21. Your initial assertions are a load of cobblers.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When it comes to your second assertion, the UN does NOT support the argie claim. The only thing it has EVER done is to recognise that a dispute exists. Even its request for negotiation is NON-BINDING.
How many of those 130 countries you mention announced their support themselves? And for how many was it announced by Timerman or his lying foreign ministry? As for China, its support is worthless now. We've all seen its illegal actions in the South China Sea. Its refusal to attend the properly constituted authority.
Butt out! We've been over all these subjects many times. Every argie has always lost. You're no different. You got brainwashed at school.
Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be missing the point - in 1982 Galtieri permanently killed off any chance of Argentina getting Sovereignty of the Falklands. He did this by a sneak military invasion of peaceful islands occupied by peaceful people, defended by a tripwire force of just 40 marines or so.
By doing so he permanently transformed the Falklands in the British consciousness from a sleepy backwater (no offence Islanders) to the number one, front page, point of principle. Were we going to accept some jumped up Dictator desperately in need of an issue to distract his people from just what a disasterous balls up he had made of their economy, or, were we going to put matters right no matter what the cost ? The rest as they say is history.
The point is that history and the price paid will never be forgotten in Britain. It is now impossible for any UK Government to consider any deals affecting the Falklanders rights without their expressed consent. The British public would sling out such a government at the first opportunity & forever.
Further, the UN has decreed that the non governing territories have the absolute right of self determination. The UN can hardly now be seen to facilitate a “new colony” for Argentina without losing what little is left of its integrity.
So you can bang on about it from now until doomsday - it cannot change without the Islanders consent ! Good luck with that one.
As disingenuous an article, as ever. Once again Argentina's “Malvinas dialogue” seems to be “give them back”. There are two good reasons why this won't be happening. (1) Malvinas does not exist but the Falkland Islands do (2) They weren't Argentinian in the first place having been held by the British before Argentina existed as a nation.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you think your case stands up then go to the ICJ - it really is that simple. I quote the words of CHICKEN SUPREMO:
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
Get lost, Argentina.
Jun 10th, 2016 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now & forever!
We don't need you,
We don't want you &
We don't like you.
This is NOT your land &
NEVER was or will be.
Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PARA QUE SEPAS DE UNA VEZ Y PARA SIEMPRE - THE UNITED NATIONS DOES NOT, REPEAT NOT, SUPPORT THE NONSENSICAL ARGENTINE CLAIM TO THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE FALKLANDS/MALVINAS AND THE OTHER BRITISH ANTARCTIC TERRITORIES.
The United Nations merely suggests from time to time that Britain and Argentina should talk about the dispute (generated by Argentina) but that is impossible because Argentina obstinately refuses to speak primarily to the inhabitants of the islands whose interests fail to be properly taken into account by Argentina..
Evertano
Jun 10th, 2016 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When are you going to answer my @16
@24 The Voice
Jun 11th, 2016 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you associate No.20 Alejo with No.21 Evertano? Chalk and cheese!
“respecting the way of life of its inhabitants and in conformity with international law”
Jun 11th, 2016 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which international law supports the usurpation of another people’s country?
Oh, they are going to ‘respect’ the way of like of the Falkland Islander’s, that’s very Argentine of them. They treated the Islander’s with great respect in 1982 when they conducted a brutal invasion of their Islands and subjected them to all manner of mistreatment, didn’t they?
‘Respecting’ -does that mean that Argentina will now respect every ‘non peoples, squatters, usurpers, pirates, ‘etc and regards them as their equals?
Argentina is so compromised with its great malvinas myth that it is impossible for them to present any sort of argument that can withstand logical scrutiny let alone sound remotely credible.
The new Argentine government is not much different from the old one, still trying to abuse the rights of the Falkland Islanders and steal their home. At least the old government made no bones about the fact that they were behaving like a pack of usurping barstards.
The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jun 12th, 2016 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@34 HEPATITIS
Jun 12th, 2016 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn!
“Argentina calls on UK to strengthen bilateral relations and for Malvinas dialogue..”
Jun 12th, 2016 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is always Argentina calling on the UK to give them something. It's neverArgentina offering to give ground. Nothing substantive is going to happen in the relationship until Argentina renounces its fraudulent claim to the Falklands and starts treating the Falkland Islanders with the respect that is their right as a neighbour and a people.
@34 Hepatia,
Jun 12th, 2016 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will return Paraguay's land within 25 years.
@34 Hepatia
Jun 12th, 2016 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You'll still be repeating that line in 25 years, along with, as I must say, Brit Bob and his academia.edu links.
What a happy status quo we can look forward to here on mercopress!
@34 Hepatia
Jun 12th, 2016 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'I'm sure I'll take you with pleasure!' the Queen said. 'Twopence a week, and jam every other day.'
Alice couldn't help laughing, as she said, 'I don't want you to hire ME - and I don't care for jam.'
'It's very good jam,' said the Queen.
'Well, I don't want any TO-DAY, at any rate.'
'You couldn't have it if you DID want it,' the Queen said. 'The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday - but never jam to-day.'
'It MUST come sometimes to “jam to-day,”' Alice objected.
'No, it can't,' said the Queen. 'It's jam every OTHER day: to-day isn't any OTHER day, you know.'
'I don't understand you,' said Alice. 'It's dreadfully confusing!'
Lewis Carroll's, Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There,
@33 The plan if we get the islands is that the kelpers will be offered to stay and live as Argentinians under Argentine law (but they can drink tea at five o'clock it they wish) or leave and move to the UK. Since we know that, given the choice, most kelpers would leave, there would be no problem coexisting with them.
Jun 12th, 2016 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, but there is the problem for Argentina.
Jun 12th, 2016 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The key word in your drivel is “IF”.
Your plan won't work, because you will not get these lslands.
btw-who on earth would want to be part of a failed rogue state that is Argentina?
@40 MM
Jun 12th, 2016 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone knows that tea is taken at four c'clock - and you say that you are going to ‘respect’ the way of life of the Falkland Islanders - do try and get some facts correct.
42
Jun 12th, 2016 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not according to Binnie Hale...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE5IfIkl_oA
“The plan if we get the islands is that the kelpers will be offered to stay and live as Argentinians under Argentine law ....... or leave and move to the UK”
Jun 12th, 2016 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That pretty well sums up Argentina's real attitude towards the Falkland Islanders.
Where is the 'respect for the rights of the Islanders' that the Argentine propaganda vows in their public utterances? And that is why Argentina will never gain control of the Falklands because no responsible adjudicator would ever surrender a community of people over to an uncertain future under a hostile regime. Especially Argentina with its well documented record of human rights abuses.
There are fools and amongst them is @40 Magnus Master!
Jun 13th, 2016 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@43 Voice,
Jun 13th, 2016 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0”At 5 o'clock when the tea is brought,
and the curtains a closed with care(in the winter),
the little black cat with the bright green eyes,
is suddenly purring there.”
Of course you can have tea at anytime.
l prefer coffee myself.
@40
Jun 13th, 2016 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So using your logic, to persuade Messi to play his football for an Argentinian club, you would offer him less money than he gets to play in Catalonia, take away his Champions League football, on a stage where he can be admired world-wide,and expect him to be on the next plane home?
The sad thing is, you would actually expect Messi to do that.
What you are saying is that, the Islanders mostly govern themselves, can send their young people to the University of their choice, anywhere, have made huge progress in everyway since 1982 on the Islands by retaining links with the UK , and if Argentina take over the Islands they will be reduced to a worse backwater than they were in the 19th century with a loss of the rights and freedoms they have now.
“Since we know that, given the choice, most kelpers would leave,”
They won't have to make that choice. Stick your head a metre into the sand if you wish, or even up your pencil sharpener, but Ban Ki Moon has again said in 2016 that all inhabitants of the remaining NSGTs must have total freedom to decide their destiny.
Your only chance to get the Falklands is to persuade the people that live there, that it is a good idea to become Argentinian.
But because Argentina cannot run itself properly, you cannot even persuade a few thousand people, not a few million, a few thousand people, to your way of thinking.
That is because Argentina is crap. So to have any chance of getting the Islanders to agree to join you, you have to get your country to a state where the Islanders want Argentine nationality.
It is not the Islander's fault that Argentina is a disaster.
Argentina is entirely to blame.
It's YOUR fault!
If a bit of Argentine gesturing can get the islanders all worked out, I really feel for them.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Living as a pawn in a big, big international game you have no control on mustn't be easy.
I really hope for a smooth transition a few years ahead with a lot of guarantees for the islanders.
Indeed, Argentina needs to show enough stability as to make the new status attractive to the Islanders (which is not the case right now but will be in the future).
@48 Henry,
Jun 13th, 2016 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha,
And you really believe that?
He he he he he he he he he,
giggle, ad infidum.
48
Jun 13th, 2016 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your favourite song is not about an ant and a rubber tree plant..is it....?
@47 “That is because Argentina is crap. So to have any chance of getting the Islanders to agree to join you, you have to get your country to a state where the Islanders want Argentine nationality.”
Jun 14th, 2016 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0That will only happen when the UK is destroyed, even if our country was the best one in the world.
@51 MagnusMaster
Jun 15th, 2016 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“That will only happen when the UK is destroyed”
Well the UK is a very stable country...unlike yours. So the chances are that the UK will never be 'destroyed' and Argentina will continue to tear itself apart by the acts of greedy thieving politicians and far too many lazy people who can't be bothered to stop them...or prefer to cheer them on over and over again.
So you have now finally realised that Argentina can never steal the Falklands. You can't try to steal militarily (tried once and got your arses handed to you - do you remember the scenes 34 years ago? Thousands of Argentine soldiers surrendering to a smaller British force.), and you can't 'bribe' the Falkland Islanders to voluntarily become a part of your basket case of a country, because you have NOTHING that they want. Your 'offer' of Argentine citizenship to them like it would be the same as winning the lottery when it is in fact the same as the bank foreclosing on you, is all you can apparently do...with some extremely 'vague' promises of allowing them to keep their culture. Well, MagnusMaster, they have BRITISH citizenship, which gets you far more respect and into far more countries (without Visa) than any OTHER citizenship in the world, they already have their own culture, their own government, their own money and most important of all...they have the FREEDOM to choose, something that your failing country would remove from them.
So in a very round about way you have concluded that Argentina will never be able to gain sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, by either illegal or legal means, and that the UK will maintain sovereignty for the rest of eternity, or until the people of the Falklands decide otherwise.
#40
Jun 15th, 2016 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0If indeed DEFEND THE RIGHT
@52 Nope, I have concluded that the UK needs to be destroyed, and no matter how unlikely it is, I will never give up to people like you, who think we are inferior, and we will always be inferior subhumans, which is what your entire post is saying.
Jun 16th, 2016 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0This:
“ Well the UK is a very stable country...unlike yours. So the chances are that the UK will never be 'destroyed' and Argentina will continue to tear itself apart by the acts of greedy thieving politicians and far too many lazy people who can't be bothered to stop them...or prefer to cheer them on over and over ”
Means that we are inferior chimpanzees who will never be as human as English, And this:
“
So you have now finally realised that Argentina can never steal the Falklands. You can't try to steal militarily (tried once and got your arses handed to you - do you remember the scenes 34 years ago? [...].they have the FREEDOM to choose, something that your failing country would remove from them.”
Means that we are inferior people who deserves to live like animals. And this:
“
So in a very round about way you have concluded that Argentina will never be able to gain sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, by either illegal or legal means, and that the UK will maintain sovereignty for the rest of eternity, or until the people of the Falklands decide ”
Means that you have concluded that you British are superior, and we Argentinians are inferior subhumans, like you thought (and a lot still think) of black people for not achieving civilization.
Well guess what? I WILL NEVER GIVE UP, BECAUSE I AM HUMAN, AND WE ARE HUMAN AND WE WILL PROVE IT TO YOU ANGLO SUPREMACISTS! WE WILL BE SUPERIOR, AND WE WILL SUBJUGATE YOU, AND THEN YOU WE LEARN YOU ARE NOT SUPERIOR! And that is why I will always defend my country, and support my country, until people like you who think you are superior die, or even better, live hell on earth.
@54 MagnusMaster
Jun 16th, 2016 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your inferiority complex is showing again.
Nowhere have I ever said that Argentines weren't people, you are the one that keeps saying that, so it is you that must believe it so.
But it is Argentina that has publicly stated that the Falkland Islanders aren't 'people' and as such aren't entitled to the same human rights as the other 7 billion people on the planet.
Just like Argentina doesn't treat the native amerindians as 'people' to the point where the UN has publicly castigated you on human rights abuses.
Also, as well as your inferiority complex your rampant racism is also showing through. You are doing what you often do and that is transfer your own beliefs, ideology and hatred onto others. Hence your penultimate paragraph.
Nowhere have I stated that the British are superior to anyone, but you constantly say it, which means that deep down YOU believe it.
Yet for all your hatred and vitriol towards the British, the British do not hate Argentines. The absolute majority of British people don't even think of Argentina at all...unless one of your politicians is lying about the Falklands and it happens to get reported in the UK press. But the majority of the time...nothing...because you really aren't that important to us.
But, as I've often said MagnusMaster, it is people like YOU that makes Argentina a failure. You're far too lazy to get off your backside and petition, demonstrate and demand things change for the better. To tackle corruption. To demand transparency. To demand independent oversight. You, and those like you, are to blame for Argentina being a failed, corrupt country.
“Means that we are inferior chimpanzees who will never be as human as English, ..etc”
Jun 16th, 2016 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0When are you and the rest of your ilk going to grow up and get over your pathetic, low sense of self-worth?
With muppets like you advocating for it, it's no wonder that your country is an International joke!
@54 MM
Jun 16th, 2016 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear MM, I think that must be one of the saddest posts I've ever read on Mercopress.
England /Wales match at 2pm...
Jun 16th, 2016 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch out for Gareth...
Can't wait...
@55 “ But, as I've often said MagnusMaster, it is people like YOU that makes Argentina a failure. You're far too lazy to get off your backside and petition, demonstrate and demand things change for the better. To tackle corruption. To demand transparency. To demand independent oversight. You, and those like you, are to blame for Argentina being a failed, corrupt country.”
Jun 16th, 2016 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What makes you think that I don't demand things change for the better? I have a full-time job, I can't demonstrate all day like the lazy Peronists who don't work. And LOL about petitions. Yes, a Change.org petition is going to work. All those petitions did to me is give me a lot of spam.
England /Wales match at 2pm...
Jun 16th, 2016 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch out for Gareth...
Can't wait
Still,
2-1 to England was ok,
great game.
Voicy backed the wrong nag again. And his countryman made to look even more of an idiot. Their own worst enemys.
Jun 16th, 2016 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 061
Jun 16th, 2016 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF are you talking about...?
All I said was that I was looking forward to the match and watch out for Gareth...
...and I was right...
Although the England goalkeeper didn't put much hart into a save....
Well the best team, won on the day,
Jun 17th, 2016 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What IF //??
England , Wales and northern Ireland all reach the semi-finals,
would not that be great,
Impossible but achievable..
mmmmmm
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