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Falklands/Malvinas dispute: Malcorra calls for an “open dialogue” with UK
Foreign Minister Susana Malcorra called on the United Kingdom to engage in “open dialogue” on the Falklands/Malvinas islands sovereignty dispute in an open letter sent to the UK government, which President Mauricio Macri’s administration hopes can further improve relations between the former foes. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat is it with Hispanics, whether it is the Falkland Islands or Gibraltar, they keep whinging, are they thick or what ?
Jun 13th, 2016 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 Argentina colonised the FALKLANDS and the UN under 502 told them to leave. They were decidedly beaten in combat and now they want to talk about sovereignty of the FALKLANDS, do they really think that the fallen combatants lives are worth so little? No UK government would risk the wrath of the people of the UK if talks of sovereignty were entered into. No brainer for me, I know that all the chatter coming from BA is for domestic consumption so jog on.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't have “inalienable rights” in the Falklands, Argentina.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0ln fact you have NO RIGHTS at all.
Hope this helps.
HeHo- pathetic splutterings from a Government that has just the same fantasyland warped view of the world as its predecessors.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mrs Malcorra - can I suggest you take a look in your OWN Naval Archives of 1833 - it will list the names of all the civilian settlers who voluntarily AGREED to accept British rule and stay on in the Islands,
and also the names of the 2 couples who returned to the River Plate instead.
Open dialogue... The Falklands want to remain British... close dialogue. Move along now please, there's nothing Argentina can do.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina says that it wants sovereignty of the Falklands and all the other British Islands in the South Atlantic. Why? Because they are there
Jun 13th, 2016 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the same time Argentina wants Britain to support its bid to install Mrs Malcorra as SG of the UN, the same person who is currently prosecuting Argentina’s bogus claim to the Islands.
If Argentina wants to be a big shot on the world stage, first it will have to get real and grow up!
Yaaaaaawn… . Get lost. With citizens like VoiceofThink you stand no chance.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0jog on ask the islanders guess what not intrested.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders and good people everywhere have the inalienable right to tell Ms Malacara to just take a flying leap.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are these people totally braindead? After everything that has been said - especially since the events of 1982 - their arrogance is just unpardonable.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What weird and unpardonable behaviour!
In the case of “open dialogue”, it's not the UK stopping it.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Constitution was amended to include their false claim to the Falklands and related islands. Argentina has, in the past, used this portion of their Constitution to insist on receiving sovereignty as a prerequisite to negotiations, or avoiding their responsibility to dropping said claim.
“Open Dialogue” would include the possibility of Argentina acknowledging the falsity of their claim and dropping it, which as noted, they are reluctant to do and only happy to cite the amendment as an excuse.
If they're really interested in an open, good-faith dialogue on the Islands, I expect they'd be only to happy this time to welcome representatives from the Falkland Islanders to represent their interests, as is fair.
If they're only interested in dishonestly claiming what isn't theirs, the ICJ is the quickest way to a fair conclusion.
I for one thought Macri might just have toned down this nonsense even allowing for the bat-shit mad citizens who sucked this shit up from Peron and the K's, et al.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same old though, same old.
we support a nuclear defence program in Argentina to rid our land of NATO terrorist pest illegally occupying islas Malvinas Argentina.. we declare the theft of fish an act of war and we demand UK to go back to their country and leave us alone.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Pirat-Hunter has been released from jail, or the Asylum.
Jun 13th, 2016 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's back again!
14... escaped more likely. Even the RGs wouldn't unleash him on an unsuspecting population...
Jun 13th, 2016 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Pirat Hunter. You have got your name wrong. As you are using Hunter you are obviously trying to have an English screen name. Pirat is actually spelt Pirate with an e. Do try to get your name correct next time you post. Our Nuclear warheads have 14 seperate hydrogen bombs which can each be independently aimed. I suggest you get cracking and get something like a Patriot missile array around each of your cities. We have dozens of these warheads. All a bit over the top for theft of fish dont you think?
Jun 13th, 2016 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Jun 13th, 2016 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you not illegally inhabiting Patagonia after all you are probably descendants of Italian or Spanish stock, pot kettle black. hypocrites all of you
@13 There appear to be several 13-year-old argies trying in vain to have others believe that Argenzuela ranks higher than 85th in the array of Dreadfully Insignificant But Very Noisy Nations.
Jun 14th, 2016 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argenzuela has no “nuclear defence” programme. Its air force is on a par with that of Andorra and its navy can scarcely inflate the two rubber dinghies whose patches are holding up. Its last semi-operational cutter dragged anchor for want of a trained crew with adult supervision, and collided with a rather larger and more convincingly real ship.
At present Argenzuela's most significant defence is its inherent insignificance. The smackdown that it deserves would be a complete waste of otherwise good ordnance.
@13. I'm curious as to what a “nuclear defence program” might be. These days, the majority of nuclear warheads are delivered by missile. Free fall bombs are, by definition, impossible to intercept. Intercepting a missile doesn't require a nuclear missile. In fact, a nuclear anti-missile missile would possibly double the size of the nuclear explosion.
Jun 14th, 2016 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I also wonder about the reaction of other south american countries if argieland were to develop a nuclear-based defence program. Is argieland going to withdraw from the Treaty of Tlatelolco? Not surprising, argieland always ignores or dumps treaties when they become inconvenient. No different to argieland's attitude to international law. What happens to the “zone of peace”?
But what about reaction? Israel has a useful attitude toward surrounding enemy countries attempting to develop nuclear weapons. Bomb the facilities! Perhaps the UK already has the answer to an argie nuclear defence program. The Trident D5 missile could be launched from the English Channel, travel around 7,500 miles at 18,030 miles per hour arriving after less than 30 minutes with an accuracy within 250 feet. Could spoil your whole year, couldn't it?
There are, of course, other considerations. For instance, spain tried to assert sovereignty in 1770. It didn't have the bottle for war so that little “conflict” was over by 1771. Then “inheritance” has never been recognised in international law as a means of obtaining sovereignty. Again, “conquest” as a means of obtaining sovereignty has not been recognised in international law since before argie “independence”. Sovereignty over Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego is therefore illegal. If there's anyone in that part of the world to whom the term “settlers” can properly be applied, it's argies. And “illegal settlers” at that.
Britain is not in the South Atlantic in its NATO persona. And if you don't bother us, we won't bother you. But do feel free to be as smart as you were in '82 if you want!
@19 “ Free fall bombs are, by definition, impossible to intercept. ”
Jun 14th, 2016 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uh, no. They are the easiest of air-delivered ordnance to intercept - comparatively slow and with generally predictable trajectories. But nuclear free-fall ordnance has also fallen out of fashion.
Perhaps Argenzuela is developing a new nuclear defence Zeppelin. Kept aloft by their abundantly available hot air, of course.
Ah, Pirat-Hunter is back. And yet again, contradicting himself.
Jun 14th, 2016 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On one hand, he claims support for a nuclear “defense” program, immediately afterwards advocating using them against the legitimate inhabitants of the Falkland Islands, in acts of state-sponsored terrorism.
@19:
“Is argieland going to withdraw from the Treaty of Tlatelolco? Not surprising, argieland always ignores or dumps treaties when they become inconvenient. No different to argieland's attitude to international law. What happens to the “zone of peace”?”
Before I registered to post here, I read many people advocating such actions in violation of international law. They justified it by claiming (paraphrasing here) that since they can't (ab)use international law to seize the Falklands from their rightful owners, they shouldn't be required to abide by said laws.
I'll point it out again: the demands for “open dialogue” are meaningless if Argentina hides behind the enshrinement of their fake claim in their constitution. Similarly, the claims to support such dialogue are dishonest if they refuse the Falkland Islanders their say.
If Argentina was really interested in honest dialogue, these issues wouldn't exist. Of course, if they were interested in honest *anything* regarding the British Falklands, the dispute wouldn't exist at all.
Its just my opinion but why does David and the government continually entertain these fools,
Jun 14th, 2016 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stop feeding the greedy hyenas and perhaps they may get the hint,
the Falkland's are not for sale at any price.
Pirat-hunter! Oh how you and your idiocy have been missed.
Jun 14th, 2016 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do enlighten us, pirat-hunter just how Argentina plans to get these nuclear weapons you're always going on about?
Buy them? From whom? Iran? North Korea? Because it's almost certain that no one else would sell nuclear material or hardware to you. But then Iran and North Korea would want cash up front, and Argentina (thanks to your beloved Cristina) hasn't got any (hence why your government is currently on its knees begging the British to loan you money).
Would you develop them yourselves? How? You have no experts in this field, and it would cost billions of dollars to develop. Nope. Argentina has no money.
But watching you helplessly froth at the mouth, with you knowing deep down that Argentina is impotent and will never get its thieving mitts on the Falkland Islands, is very amusing.
Please keep up your insane rants. They're most entertaining.
My thanks to Conqueror, Briton, LEPRecon, CKurze30k, & anyone else l missed for your highly entertaining posts re that ridiculous individual, Pirat-Hunter.
Jun 14th, 2016 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l especially want to thank Marti Llazo for his extremely humourous post #18.
lt had me chortling to myself but l would say would just go right over Pirat-Hunter's head. He is such a tool.
Keep up the good work gents(l think that you're all males?).
The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jun 15th, 2016 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Talking about tools & look who pops up!
Jun 15th, 2016 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Hepatia, you are a thousand laughs!
@25 Hepatitis
Jun 15th, 2016 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ae you aware that hepatitis will make you even more yellow than you already are? What a nabo!
I dunno, y'know... I think Hepatia's technically correct.
Jun 15th, 2016 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that sometime in the next quarter-century, Argentina will either agree to good-faith, truly open dialogue regarding the Falklands, and drop their claim, or finally agree to take their claim to the ICJ, where it can be proven false and dropped - quite literally “for good”.
Or on the long-odds side, I can see a Malvinista government attempting another invasion, only this time Britain won't be satisfied until there's no more military threat.
One way or another, within that time frame the UK will return the Malvinas - to the state of myth and falsehood it originated and snowballed from, simultaneously returning the Falklands to undisputed British sovereignty.
In other words, an outcome fair for all involved, just as we ask for.
13 Pirate.
Jun 16th, 2016 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“we demand UK to go back to their country and leave us alone.”
1/- The UK is leaving you alone, if it weren't, you would have less ships and aircraft than you have now, with less airfields and naval bases. Count your lucky stars that we do leave you alone.
2/- The UK are in their country, here 8000 miles away, and the Falkland Islanders don't have to leave their birthplace to go to a place, the UK , where they weren't born.
If you want the Islanders to move to the UK you had better get your ers back to Spain where you belong.
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