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Falklands are not recognized as a “people” and the principle of self determination does not apply, argues Malcorra

Friday, June 24th 2016 - 04:00 UTC
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With a less aggressive tone but with the same determination, Argentine foreign minister Susana Malcorra (and hopeful UN Secretary General), argued that the principle of self-determination is not absolute and does not apply to the disputed Falkland/Malvinas Islands, since the principle of territorial integrity of States prevails, and the inhabitants of the Malvinas are not recognized as a “people”. Read full article

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  • Marti Llazo

    Poor Malacara. The anxiety that comes with supporting such Argentine silliness must weigh heavily.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chuch

    You just kissed you chance of being Secretary-General good bye. It is a time of reformation not just for the EU but also for the UN. The voice of reason is getting louder and louder, so much so that the howl is deafening. We’re not gonna take it, NO! We’re not gonna take it, we’re not goinna take it anymore!

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Brexit done, Malvinas exit next.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    One of Camerons last acts should be to veto this Lady's application to becoming Secretary General.
    Exit the Falkland Islands?
    No chance.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    This morning the Falkland Islands are safer than ever. The Falklands will remain British for ever.

    Argentina can drop their claim and negotiate an excellent trade deal direct with Britain. Grow up!

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    So she thinks 'Grandstanding' at the C24 is more important than sorting out the very real problems in Venezuela. Or maybe the shops are better in NY and a chance of a romantic dinner with Sr Betts.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Ha ha

    Self-Determination. The ICJ has made 4 Advisory Opinions and 1 Judgment that all confirm or state, ‘that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories.’ There are no exceptions. A motion to place restrictions on the right was defeated by the UN Fourth Committee on 20th October 2008 making it an inalienable right.

    A people. In 1989 UNESCO described ‘a people’ as the Webster’s definition, ‘the entire body of people who constitute a community or other group by virtue of common culture, religion or the like.’ They also adopted the Kirby definition which includes f) a territorial connection. In the many UN resolutions on decolonisation the words ‘people’ and ‘population’ are used interchangeably.

    https://www.academia.edu/11325329/Falklands_-_Self-Determination_single_page_

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Another deluded malvinista.
    Using the hated, offensive “m” word will ensure that we won't even talk to you.
    You'd think that they would have worked that out by now.
    Or are they just arrogantly pig ignorant?

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Certainly appears to be a conflict of interests for her...
    She should have resigned if she was serious about the UN job...
    Weird...

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Evertano

    We appeal to the intelligence of the British people in this new phase that has just started , where they must measure their public spending and bailing well your expenses. Now outside the EU and times change and the economy including military spending stupid Malvinas . 1 military every 4 people a real waste of millions of pounds per year. For what?. think would be best to head out of respect for taxpayers or expenses from their own pockets defenza be expenses . The time will witness and not take much to realize. tic, tac..

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    3.Marcos.
    Hey- you had your MalvExit on June 14th 1982 - remember?

    Or do you- like Malcorra- conveniently forget those events? You know - the time Argentina refused to accept the declaration of the ONE and ONLY UN Assembly Group that can issue binding resolutions - the Security Council.
    And thus by ignoring it - gave the UK international legal right to kick Argentine arse.

    Care to comment on some of her Lies?

    Your own National Naval Archives list the names of those people of United Provinces origen(remember there was no place such as Argentina in 1833) who VOLUNTEERED to stay on in the Islands then and accept British rule.
    Oh she says- 1982- that was the naughty military Govt - oops - she of course had also just whined about something the naughty military did in 1981 that Uk did not follow up and was wrong not to have agreed with and carried on with!!

    Come on thick woman- ever heard of splitting your pants trying to be ion both sides of the fence?

    10-Evetano-- read and listen- UK is NOT out of the EU - will not be for at least another 2 plus years! Fact No 2- UK Defence costs would be totally the SAME with or without the Falklands Garrison - it costs the UK taxpayer not One Penny more. As has been made clear by different political parties in UK when in power.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Again the same old rheteric, do they not understand that they have to speak to the FALKLANDERS if they want to talk about sovereignty. How many times does the UK need to tell them before they understand it is the hands of the FALKLANDERS. This is just like the referendum, the British people have spoken.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    Actually many places around the world, including a local hotel where I walked and saw the sign, are no longer accepting BRITISH POUNDS: too unstable of a currency.

    Then I looked up on the computer and the same is happening everywhere. British pounds not accepted. How the mighty have fallen...

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    The Malevolent Midget Malcorra has proven, if anybody needed proof, that Macri is no different to TMBOA when it come to rabble rousing the rabble back home.

    What a wasted opportunity.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • diefra

    In others opportunities I said that this meeting is a waste of time. It seems a meeting between deafs . UN is the is only responsible about this situation . Malcorra or Macri havent got other chance to support Malvinas causes, but we know that UN is an anachronic organization . In a similar situation EU push UK to vote for Brexit due to EU policies about inmigration , etc , are anachronics .

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    Clucking fell what utter bovine waste products.
    No mention of an invasion by a murderous tyranny.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    According to reports by the media Gavin Short refusal to shake hands with Susana Malcorra. I've always said and I repeat: fanatics on both sides need each other.

    Susana Malcorra mentioned:. “We have a difference with the UK. Our claim will always be state to state. Who has the UK on his team in his delegation, it is a matter of the United Kingdom. But for us the UK is the counterparty because the discussion of sovereignty from country to country. ”

    These words contrast widely with the intended headline of the note. Now, it is up to the UK to decide who speaks on behalf of the Islands. If the British from the “metropoli” or the islanders..........

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    UK released from servitude

    EU takes big step towards disintegration

    Falklands' freedom assured

    Spain can't assemble a government

    Alicia Kirchner uses the argie army to keep mobs from burning the provincial government buildings

    Argentina repeats its clown act at the UN, adds hazmereír to its national motto

    Wonderful times.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alejo

    @10 Evertano

    The millions of Euros which the UK is obliged to pay to the EU annually will cease within two years. That savings mean support of the Falklands can be sustained or, indeed, increased.

    You clearly know nothing!

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @19

    With the apolitical triumph of Mauricio Macri, a more reasonable and rational government, the British maritime patrols were significantly reduced in the South Atlantic basically to save funds.

    It seems that the arrogantly declared UK economic sufficiency in defense of the Islands is not as islanders posted it for years on this site.

    Quite sensible. Are the british taxpayers the ones who pay “the bills”...

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    20- Have you only just found out that the Uk constantly reviews defence situations and needs/ Christ mate - this has been the way for probabaly a couple of centuries!!
    Your full military threat has gradually diminished as more and more of your ships and aircraft have become obsolete and unoperable or sunk or crashed- so no need for the continual surface frigate or destroyer on patrol - that ended quite a few years ago! Occasional [patrols happen as they have and as they will - and of course the undersea ones you don't know about.

    13- you and that little hotel have no idea how Int currencies work! Todays instability was well forecast- those with half a brain check current local exchange rate- and a few % margin- take the £ and change it to their currency shortly after. If someone was in a hotel and going to pay in £s -=then more fool them for not paying ahead of today- it was forecast to happen if the vote went that way!
    No doubt on Monday it will settle a bit more at whatever the level may be.

    Do try and get up to date- a few months ago the British Govt announces a multimillion £ kit and equipment replacement budget for the Islands - that is of course on top of the normal annual; running costs.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “Falklands are not recognized as a “people”” Hmm there is a distinct lack of meeting the burden of proof for this fallacious claim.
    UNASUR Charter, to wit: “PREAMBLE; ... self-determination of the peoples;”
    ”5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in ...all other territories which have not yet attained independence, TO TRANSFER ALL POWERS TO THE PEOPLES OF THOSE TERRITORIES, WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS OR RESERVATIONS, ”
    www.un.org/en/decolonization/declaration.shtml
    CHARTER OF OAS Article 3 e) ..and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State. ...
    Article 13 The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States
    T. Twiss defines a nation as:
    “... a race of men ... an aggregate body of persons, exceeding a single family, who are connected by the ties of a common lineage and perhaps by a common language .... a society of persons occupying a common territory and united under a common government.”1
    In his 1936 book, Schultz defined a nation as:
    ”A people which looks upon itself as a politically separate community, has a political individuality, and contrasts itself with other political communities.
    http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/N/Nation.aspx
    'A State which has ceased to exercise any authority over a territory cannot, by purely verbal protestations, indefinitely maintain its title against another which for a sufficiently long time has effectively exercised the powers and fulfilled the duties of sovereignty in it.''(Theory and Reality in International Law, de Visscher, 1957, p201)
    10 Evertano;20 pgerman Like I have previously shown the minuscule cost to the UK is far less than the cost to Argentina. www.infobae.com/2014/11/10/1607855-la-reivindicacion-argentina-malvinas-solo-sirve-comprar-el-voto-ciudadanos-poco-educados nikdarlington.blogspot.com.br/2010/05/falklands-war-cost-benefit-analysis.html

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    I don't recognize Ms Malcorra as a people...she looks more like a Hutt to me

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Yes Jabba the Hutt...

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @3 Death to argieland!
    @10. Ever thought about the effect of 80 nuclear warheads? Even better, 16 missiles per submarine, 10 warheads per missile, 4 submarines. That's 640 warheads. From 7,500 miles away. In 30 minutes.
    @13. Like you could ever be believed!
    @17. The UK and the Falkland Islands work together. Discussions are taking place on whether weapons fallout would reach the Falklands. Argieland destruction a distinct possibility.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @ 13 CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    You are a tiny bit behind the times, methinks!

    There are very few Brits who take British currency away with them when they travel abroad. Those who do are out of their tiny minds and are relics of pre - 1930 times.

    We take Euros to the EU countries, US dollars to the Americas and local currencies to, for example, Australia, New Zealand and the Indian sub-content.

    Keep up to date, won't you!

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • merlin

    As Argentina has never owned The Falkland Isles it has no legitimate claim,this is why it has not taken its case to the ICJ,of course.
    The UK,however does have a claim to much of the map currently denoted Argentina.
    This is because much of it was owned by British people before they were utterly illegal evicted by Peron.
    Check my facts,anyone,and tell me I am wrong.
    M

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Falklands are not recognized as a “people”

    Then Argentina cannot be recognised as a Nation.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stoker

    Quite simply she is wrong. The UN have declared the right to self-determination, under the UN Charter, is “universal and inalienable” - meaning it applies to everyone and can be denied to no-one.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Unless you are argentine,
    apparently they seem to think they are a cut above rules and regulations.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    “Falklands are not recognized as a “people” and the principle of self determination does not apply, argues Malcorra”.
    What bs ! Miss Fatty Malacara is just as pathetic as Dilma before she was ousted ; grasping at straws as she tries to defend her argument ; the Argy govt tries to convince the world that they are interested only in the well being of the Falkland islanders......if that were the case then they would shut their f*cking mouths and concentrate on getting their own backyard in order..
    Why doesn't the Argy govt go to the ICJ instead of beating around the bush ? because they know all too well, that if they do, they will lose....then what excuse are they going to give when their economy starts going down the drain again ??

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LukeDig

    Self determination is for cultures, peoples, nations... Not some colonial grandsons, get your facts straight bloody colonial invaders.
    And ask forgiveness for all the horrid crimes you committed during the british empire, then we may start to consider you human beings.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    LukeDig - Do please tell us where did all the Spanish people living in Argentina in the the 1860s and before originate from?

    Oh - Also what did they and their forebears do to all the local indigenous folks who had lived in what is now Argentina for centuries?

    Suggest you answer these 2 questions - and then shoot yourself in both feet.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    All Argentines are squatters.
    Argentines are not a people.
    Go back to Spain & ltaly.
    What hypocrites.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Okay I see how this works. Argentines are not people, as Chopper @13 has demonstrated for years. Rather they are a tribe of imported bipedal locusts with a historic penchant for decapitation, and need to have a “Paraguayan Solution” applied. You know the drill. Eliminate 90% of all males of all ages. Dismember the “country” and repatriate the parts to the neighbors. You “pigskins” can hardly complain, as you did that to the Paraguayos yourselves. ;)

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • juansintierra

    Sorry Dear friends ot the Islands.I think you are a People,and disagree with this short minded Minister Malcorra .Hope some day we-the argentines and the People of the islands could be good and frienndly neighbours,and visit each other without problems and prejudices,.Many argentines share this opinion.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Nostril give Lukedig a kiss, he's feeling left out… and don't slobber.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Livepeanuts

    So if Malcorra knows what applies.. fantastic.. go to the International Court of Justice! .. Modify the Constitution and recognize unconditional jurisdiction to the ICJ!
    So easy Argentina.. show us all these rights which you have.

    Jun 24th, 2016 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @32
    “Self determination is for cultures, peoples, nations...”

    This is precisely why you, as a bipedal locust, have no right to exist.

    “ ...bloody colonial invaders.”

    Yes, yes, I understand. Like Sarmiento's line about the Paraguayans needing to be killed in the womb. You'll forgive me if I wish the same Mosaic Plague on you that befell both Mitre and Sarmiento. The death of the firstborn. ;)

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif

    Jun 25th, 2016 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @32 LukeDig

    So who was Julio Antonio Roca? And what was the Conquest of the Desert?

    His mass murders of indigenous people of the Pampas was on a par with the the Holocaust!

    Jun 25th, 2016 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @36 juansintierra,
    Thank you Juan.

    Jun 25th, 2016 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @40 “ .....mass murders of indigenous people ...”

    Argentina has been practicing their predilection for mass murder even in recent history. In fact it was the same Argentine mass-murder government that invaded the Falklands in 1982, and which revealed once again the dark heart that is the true nature of Argentina.

    Jun 25th, 2016 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    I will take her arguments a lot more seriously when she is willing to present them in court rather than to a handful of has beens looking forward to a 5 star junket to TdF with welcome and parting gifts.

    Jun 25th, 2016 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    36Juansintierra - Thank you as well.Hope you do visit us one day. We know there are many who do think like you - and it is good to know. I share your goal that one day we can learn to be friends and neighbours and put history behind us and move forward.
    Here - Yes a few real hardliners like in every society - but I think that most of us Islanders draw the difference between Arg Govt Politicians and the few hardliners, and - ordinary decent Argentine citizens - who may well have a few differences with us - but we can both respect each other all the same.

    Jun 25th, 2016 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    18 Marti Llazo

    “Wonderful times.”

    Too right!!!!

    To paraphrase that 80's 1 hit wonder :-

    “ The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades”

    Jun 25th, 2016 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    ”We believe it is a sovereignty question but the petitioners (Falkland Islanders) see is as a matter of self determination“, said the Argentine foreign minister.”

    The Argentine foreign minister uses weasel words again when she refers to the Falkland Islanders as 'petitioners'. It is Argentina that is the petitioner and its petition is based on a false reading of the historical record and a great myth.

    For a person who has received a great build up from the propaganda department, this lady has turned out to be a gigantic flop.

    Jun 25th, 2016 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Jun 26th, 2016 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Argentina will cease to exist within 25 years.

    Maybe less.

    Jun 26th, 2016 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Argentina will return Paraguay's stolen land within 25 years.

    Jun 26th, 2016 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Argentina will be returned to Spain in the next 25 years....what's left of it...

    Jun 26th, 2016 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zaphod102

    #13 I_Trolltally_Invent_Everything_I_Post

    “Actually many places around the world, including a local hotel where I walked and saw the sign, are no longer accepting BRITISH POUNDS: too unstable of a currency.”

    As #26 gord01 says, 'twas ever thus. Most people will only accept their local currency. Try paying for anything with US$ or Euros in the UK! The exceptions are at airports, ports or near borders where multiple currencies may be accepted since there is a free exchange either way. Even so, not all currencies will be accepted. Are Arg$ ever accepted outside Argentina?

    Jun 27th, 2016 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    The last time I was at a cambio in Punta Arenas, they were accepting for exchange US dollars, “libras esterlinas” (pounds sterling), and euros. They were not accepting Argentine pesos.

    At some of the shops in Punta Arenas, argie pesos are accepted, but at a horrible rate.

    Jun 27th, 2016 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @51 Zaphod102
    “Are Arg$ ever accepted outside Argentina?”

    Another related question : 'are Arg$ always accepted in Argentina ?”
    The answer is, 'accepted' yes, but reluctantly - when I was in BA a couple of years ago, several places (hotels, restaurants, some shops) even hinted they would prefer USDollars to Argy pesos.....so looks like the local peso ain't too welcome, even in Argyland.

    Jun 28th, 2016 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    *yawn*

    If the Islanders are not a people, go to the ICJ and show that.

    It is THAT simple.

    Stop yapping, just go do it.

    Jun 29th, 2016 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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